Liz Cheney: I can’t believe Obama brought photogs to Dover with him

posted at 9:19 pm on October 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

Gateway Pundit clipped this yesterday and today it made the big time. I get the revulsion at photo ops with fallen soldiers, believe me, but look: He didn’t go to Dover as a prelude to pulling out. Even under the “McChrystal light” strategy that he’s toying with right now, we’re still talking about a build-up of some kind. If he had gone to Dover as a prelude to withdrawing, this photo would symbolize his willingness to abandon Afghanistan and, by extension, U.S. interests because he’s simply unwilling to accept casualties. Doing that on the backs of the dead, who fought valorously to win, would be intolerable. Going to Dover before a build-up symbolizes the opposite, that he is willing to accept the political consequences of further casualties to defend U.S. interests. Conveying that message by posing with a casket is dicey (although he did have the family’s permission), but it’s much more vivid than simply having a press pool reporter write it up — just as the photos of jumpers on 9/11 are much more vivid in communicating the stakes of terrorism than print accounts.

Look at it this way. A year from now, after many months more of hard fighting and men killed in action, which side is more likely to be angrily waving this photo in his face? Conservative hawks or the leftist doves in his own base? The answer is obvious, and don’t think he doesn’t know it. Yet he went and took the photo anyway. As a show of “tenacity” before the anti-war crowd that’s starting to shout at him about quagmires, you can do worse than this.


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He is weak and indecisive and has been dithering on the most important decision a CIC can make. Having said that, I don’t want to get too upset over the Pres. paying his respects to our bravest, even if he brings the cameras. You also don’t know what you don’t know. He may be doing a lot behind the scenes with families, etc.

I can only dream of the day in the near future, when the Pres. makes a prime time address from ground zero, announcing a dramatic increase in troops in Afghanistan with the aim of finishing off the job that Pres. Bush so honorably began and a call to action for all Americans to unite behind a free, democratic world.

Having said that, we will probably get a press release some late friday night that will lead to our loss.

tatersalad on October 31, 2009 at 9:26 AM

The Won won’t be going to Dover again, he got his photo and it is kept in the file so his media can use it over and over as proof he cares about the troops. This is one cold dude.

Kissmygrits on October 31, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Probably already noticed by others, but it seems a lot like Mike Dukakis’s “tank” moment, but in an altogether tragic setting. The President is clever, though. If conservatives wave the image around to criticize him, will the conservatives themselves be blamed for using the fallen Americans for political gain?

jackmac on October 31, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Going to Dover before a build-up symbolizes the opposite, that he is willing to accept the political consequences of further casualties to defend U.S. interests.

BFD. What’s his alternative. That he’s UNWILLING to accept the political consequences of further casualties? Like he has a choice?

PackerBronco on October 31, 2009 at 9:39 AM

It’s sad that the former male cheerleader invaded the wrong country in 2003 and here we are today. No wonder he drinks.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Wooh, someone didn’t get invited to any Halloween parties last night. Guys, IGNORE the troll.

and uhhh, can the mods please BAN the troll? This is nothing but disruption and insults, no substance added to the discussion.

Daemonocracy on October 31, 2009 at 9:45 AM

I had to add my two cents. There’s no reasonable justification for him to do this with cameras. None.

The Won won’t be going to Dover again, he got his photo and it is kept in the file so his media can use it over and over as proof he cares about the troops. This is one cold dude.

Kissmygrits on October 31, 2009 at 9:26 AM

I think this is exactly right. He’s a cold opportunist; it’s all about him. Otherwise, why take the cameras.

labwriter on October 31, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Wow, I cannot believe you don’t see this staged event for what it was; for a very weak COC to build some credibility/capital on the backs of dead American military members. Regardless of what decision he makes, he has no credibility as COC. Thus he goes out and creates a staged event to “demonstrate” he is capable of “taking responsibility” for the most unpleasant result of war.

Why was this even necessary? Because he has no credibility as COC. He should be ashamed of using dead American heroes as props in a feeble attempt to hoist a cover for his own inherent weakness, but this narcissist has no shame.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 9:51 AM

ray on October 31, 2009 at 9:51 AM

COC. LOL.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 9:54 AM

ALL of Axelrod’s moves have multiple purposes. He’s the unbathed evil genius who KNOWS that the media will NEVER report on anything below the surface.

marklmail on October 31, 2009 at 9:56 AM

This thread still going strong I see. Even some trolls still showing up trying to defend this action by going to the ole playbook of liberal simple-mindedness and striking back at President Bush. Here’s a hot news flash you evil heartless bastards. He isn’t the President anymore. obama is. And it’s too bad because this fool of a ACORN elected cardboard cutout isn’t fit to carry George Bush’s jockstrap as CinC. obama has already increased the danger faced by the soldiers in the field with his ROE that benefits the enemy. He isn’t fit to lead.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 10:00 AM

He isn’t fit to lead.hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Thankfully, we have you!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:22 AM

COC. LOL.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Yes, Commander On Crack. He hasn’t earned CIC.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Yes, Commander On Crack. He hasn’t earned CIC.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:25 AM

You’re what makes America grrreat!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:26 AM

You’re what makes America grrreat!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Indeed, having accomplished a number of significant results that have actually helped thousands of people in meaningful ways, I have out achieved Obama by thousands to one.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Indeed, having accomplished a number of significant results that have actually helped thousands of people in meaningful ways, I have out achieved Obama by thousands to one.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:28 AM

I don’t doubt it! You should be the COC, not this Kenyan Kommunist!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM

but look: He didn’t go to Dover as a prelude to pulling out. Even under the “McChrystal light” strategy that he’s toying with right now, we’re still talking about a build-up of some kind.

The other quote that’s vital- “McChrystal light” is a half-measure.

Others may have noted this in earlier comments, but one of the knocks on Iraq was that it was “Vietnam II,” a “war we cannot win.” Didn’t McChrystal ask for 60,000 initially, then reduce it to 40k under pressure? Now, he’s apparently getting 20k.

If he asks for only 40k and gets 20k initially, that’s a half-measure by definition.

What if Obama said he wanted 40 billion $ for healthcare, and Congress said “nope, 20 billion is all you get?”

What’s to keep this situation from progressing to where more soldiers die, and 6 mos- 2yrs from now Obama says “we’re not winning, gotta pull out?”

cs89 on October 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM

I don’t doubt it! You should be the COC, not this Kenyan Kommunist!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:30 AM

I wouldn’t be qualified, I haven’t done crack. Having led soldiers in war though, I would be a thousand times more qualified for CIC than your boy king.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Having led soldiers in war though, I would be a thousand times more qualified for CIC than your boy king.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I think someone needs to get over himself!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM

What’s to keep this situation from progressing to where more soldiers die, and 6 mos- 2yrs from now Obama says “we’re not winning, gotta pull out?”

cs89 on October 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM

The President’s focus is control and campaigning. Next thing he’ll have our troops using sticks with balloons to defend themselves.

yoda on October 31, 2009 at 10:38 AM

I think someone needs to get over himself!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Nice to see you finally agree about our assessment of Obama! Glad to have helped you.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Nice to see you finally agree about our assessment of Obama! Glad to have helped you.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:38 AM

No, thank YOU!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:40 AM

No, thank YOU!

YOU’re welcome.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Having led soldiers in war though, I would be a thousand times more qualified for CIC than your boy king.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I think someone needs to get over himself!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:37 AM

LOL…your problem is you know ray’s right, race fan. “Editor of the college paper” only goes so far for a 48-year-old man.

ddrintn on October 31, 2009 at 10:44 AM

YOU’re welcome.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM

No, the pleasure is ALL mine. Who knew what a LEADER I was communicating with!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM

No, the pleasure is ALL mine. Who knew what a LEADER I was communicating with!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Yes, there are many out there who don’t need to leach off others to be successful. Perhaps you should consider expanding your circle of contacts outside the liberal cocoon.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Hi, Deb! How would you know what a leader is? You have Obama as a role model. Now go away. You’re missing Saturday morning cartoons.

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Yes, there are many out there who don’t need to leach off others to be successful. Perhaps you should consider expanding your circle of contacts outside the liberal cocoon.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Maybe I should! Does being a leader get you a discount on value meals or anything?

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Liz is from a different kind of people. The kind who would have went to Dover without photographers.

Griz on October 31, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Maybe I should! Does being a leader get you a discount on value meals or anything?

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:52 AM

I really don’t know, but being a productive member of society means you don’t have to stand in line for government hand outs stolen from your children’s future, or finding it necessary to run cover for a failed wannabe leader who has never produced a net positive result.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:58 AM

I really don’t know, but being a productive member of society means you don’t have to stand in line for government hand outs stolen from your children’s future, or finding it necessary to run cover for a failed wannabe leader who has never produced a net positive result.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Hmm. Well I would find out if you’re eligible for any discounts because of your leadership status. It’s the prudent thing to do.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM

It is truly surreal to see a man so completely unqualified for this distinguished position, but then again things are getting stranger everyday. I can’t wait for the pendulum to swing back the other way. Blessings to the brave and their families.

Nalea on October 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Hmm. Well I would find out if you’re eligible for any discounts because of your leadership status. It’s the prudent thing to do.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Looking for unearned discounts is what wannabe leaders do, the kind liberals relate to and vote into office. People like Obama, Dodd, Murtha, etc…

ray on October 31, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Looking for unearned discounts is what wannabe leaders do, the kind liberals relate to and vote into office. People like Obama, Dodd, Murtha, etc…

ray on October 31, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Come now! Don’t be so modest! You EARNED those discounts.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:07 AM

cs89 on October 31, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Very good point, cs89. Those of us who are not AP appreciate the clarity.

SKYFOX on October 31, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Come now! Don’t be so modest! You EARNED those discounts.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Not the ones that steal from others, those are all yours and your kind.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Not the ones that steal from others, those are all yours and your kind.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I think you watch too much tv, Ray. But don’t worry – you’re still a LEADER in my book!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Bush so honorably began and a call to action for all Americans to unite behind a free, democratic world.

Uniting behind a “free, democratic world” does not mean sending Americans into harm’s way to attain it. What kind of love potion did GWB put in Republican water coolers? Remember when national sovereignty began at our own borders? We should have built a fence around our own yard instead of throwing mud in Iraq.

After September 11, we should have handled Afghanistan with swift force. The farcical search for WMDs in Iraq made us look foolish. Regarding Iraq, it would have been better to prosecute the war specifically based upon Saddam’s violation of UN resolutions. Such an action would have made the UN stronger and American’s less culpable for this 10 boondoggle.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM

The farcical search for WMDs in Iraq made us look foolish.

They provided some of FOX’s most entertaining moments! Switching away from 24 hour Terry Schiavo coverage and Natalee Holloway updates to report on a MOBILE WEAPONS LAB being found in the Iraqi desert was priceless. Wait -it was just a refrigerated truck in the desert. No weapons. Go figure!!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I think you watch too much tv, Ray. But don’t worry – you’re still a LEADER in my book!

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Looks like you don’t have any context with which to defend your failed wannabe leader, so you just run toward silly words. Then again, simplesimon is your tag. Hmmm, your style is similar to someone else on this page…

ray on October 31, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Not sure what to think about this yet. Clearly I have no problem with Pres. Obama showing respect for our war dead but if it turns out to be a photo op prior to his abandoning the effort in the Af-Pak theater then my disgust for him will reach yet another new low.

OT: It’s been just over one week now since my glaucoma surgery in my one functioning eye. So far the pressure in that eye is at a safe level. Still healing up and I can still feel a couple stitches in my eye (an unpleasant sensation let me tell you) but I think they’re about to dissolve out soon so hopefully the healing will continue.

Yakko77 on October 31, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Liz has no place to talk here. Her father never went to Dover and he dodged being drafted 5 times.

rjl1999 on October 30, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Classic! The ole “chickenhawk gambit”. People who didn’t serve, have no room to be pro-war according to liberals. People who didn’t serve, have every justification to be anti-war though. As a matter of fact, anyone has the right to be anti-war in a liberals mind. But how about soldiers? Can soldiers who have served proudly be pro-war and taken seriously by liberals? No, sorry Col North, you’re a crack-pot to them. You can only be a respected military vet if you came back from the war hating President Bush and ready to vote for obama. But even if chickenhawks were for outlawed from even mentioning war, check out Skippy’s logic here. Liz Cheney who was not old enough to have served in Viet Nam and grew up after the draft, isn’t allowed to speak about our hallowed and honored dead (that in my opinion obama has no real right to be within a block of) why? Because her father had draft deferments. Rjl’s messianic idol and lord never served. But he’s cool with him being the CinC and “supposedly” in charge of all the Armed Forces of the US. Pst, Joe Biden had draft deferments!(BTW, rjl, he’s dropping the ball bad. See above comments about the spiffy new ROE) You have to be a yoga master to twist your logic the way liberals do.

You talking about George W. Bush here right? The man who ran the most incompetent war machine…ever?
Thank God for McCain who pushed for a surge in Iraq. Left to Bush and Uncle Dick, Iraq would still have been dumps.
That of course does not tell us why did we go there in the first place.
rightistliberal on October 30, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Classicer!! Liberal troll chastises Conservative blogger for being like Daily KOS in a thread where he makes typical Daily KOS Bush bashing comments.

Wow, thats one angry lesbian. It\’s impressive that you \’conservatives\’ like her so much.
simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 7:35 AM

Classicest! The liberal trolls use the Cheney daughters sexual orientation as a way to debate the crass justification of obama taking photographers to Dover to get some “me time” with dead heroes he isn’t fit to carry water for. But brilliant boy doen’t even know which one is gay? ROTMFingFLMMFingAO!!!

Gloves are off with all liberals after the last lot AP and Ed let in here. Gloves off.! liberals are not deserving of even the simple courtesies we’d afford our worst enemies.

Oh…wait

PS SS, obama isn’t fit to carry Donald Rumsfeld’s jock either. I would take ole Donny boy over your inept CinC…any…day…of the week.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:37 AM

It is distasteful that people jump on Obama even when he does the right thing. He is our President, let’s support him when we can, and oppose when he is wrong. In this case there is no ‘there’ there.

Sheerq on October 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Yakko77 on October 31, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I hope you have a speedy recover!

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Hi, Deb! How would you know what a leader is? You have Obama as a role model. Now go away. You’re missing Saturday morning cartoons.

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM

OMG!!! Not Deb Frisch???

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:42 AM

It is distasteful that people jump on Obama even when he does the right thing. He is our President, let’s support him when we can, and oppose when he is wrong. In this case there is no ‘there’ there.

Sheerq on October 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Nicely done classical moby.

ray on October 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Sheerq on October 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM

You’re entitled to your opinion. I respect it. Most of the rest of us consider it crass opportunism.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:45 AM

PS SS, obama isn’t fit to carry Donald Rumsfeld’s jock either. I would take ole Donny boy over your inept CinC…any…day…of the week.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:37 AM

You’re so angry, Jim. You need to get a grip.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:47 AM

I hope you have a speedy recover!

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Thank you. It’s a very nerve wracking experience having my only functional eye (blind in my other due to failed retina surgeries) operated on but so far so good. Things are still fuzzy and irritated but I hope when the last stitches fall out things will come back as close to normal as they can with me given the history I have with my “good” eye (detached retina, cataracts, shingles, etc.). I often wonder if I am doomed to have the red and white cane tapping in front of me but thus far medical science is keeping me functional so hopefully progress continues on that front.

Yakko77 on October 31, 2009 at 11:48 AM

LOL SS are you really Deb Frisch? I mean that would make your above comments really funny since you’re a lesbian yourself.

ROTFL. This lightweight had her butt kicked by a bunch of Gerbils.

PS, have you tried to contact Jeff Goldsteins kids latey.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Yakko77 on October 31, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Our flight surgeon tells me every year I’m a GC “suspect”. I always pass the tests though. Best of luck with your recovery, friend.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:54 AM

OMG!!! Not Deb Frisch???
hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Naw. HornetSting and others think it’s actually Debbie Schlussel

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 12:01 PM

You talking about George W. Bush here right? The man who ran the most incompetent war machine…ever?

Bush is miles ahead of that jackass posing with the coffin. The guy playing CYA with a war campaign. Whose mission is to come through this war with the public convinced the President of the United States wasn’t to blame.

How long before we hear that every living President has independently been asking for a quiet chat with The Won.

Chris_Balsz on October 31, 2009 at 12:04 PM

You’re so angry, Jim. You need to get a grip.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 11:47 AM

PPS, I only allow good friends and other beings determined to be at least partially human to call me Jim. You can call me “Sir” or “Chief”. Or just don’t bother…

lttle debbie snack cakes…lol Deb Frisch

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Naw. HornetSting and others think it’s actually Debbie Schlussel

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Aw, I would have enjoyed another knock-down drag out with Deb “hic” Frisch.

But, so, Deb Schussel I thought was mildly independent. SS sounds like a complete DU druid. Why would they think it’s her?

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Wow, thats one angry lesbian. It\’s impressive that you \’conservatives\’ like her so much.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 7:35 AM

If you are referring to Liz Cheney you’ve just proven yourself to be the most ill-informed, clueless, moron the world has ever known.

Fed45 on October 31, 2009 at 12:09 PM

It is distasteful that people jump on Obama even when he does the right thing.

Sheerq on October 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM

You’re getting ahead of yourself. Barry has never done “the right thing” since being sworn into office

Fed45 on October 31, 2009 at 12:13 PM

If he was sincere about honoring our fallen, he should just go and cameras be damned. It’s not about him, though he doesn’t know it.

redfoxbluestate on October 31, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Wow, thats one angry lesbian. It\’s impressive that you \’conservatives\’ like her so much.
simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 7:35 AM

Thank you for putting on your idiot indicator. I will give you wide berth.

If you are referring to Liz Cheney you’ve just proven yourself to be the most ill-informed, clueless, moron the world has ever known.

Fed45 on October 31, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Nice wind up, now knock it out of the park! Tell us why he is the best of the worst.

The Race Card on October 31, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Why would they think it’s her?
hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 12:08 PMI

I’m not sure. You’ll need to ask Hornet. It started when simplesimon was known as ‘capitulus’ until it was banned. Simpleton may not be Schlussel, but it definitely writes and presents itself like capitulus.

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 12:19 PM

PPS, I only allow good friends and other beings determined to be at least partially human to call me Jim. You can call me “Sir” or “Chief”. Or just don’t bother…

lttle debbie snack cakes…lol Deb Frisch

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Sorry about that, uh, ‘chief’. You know, in the real world people call each other by their names. Funny concept, huh?

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 12:20 PM

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 12:20 PM

is “being a dick” the new “blaming Bush?”

And I wish I could say attempting to “smear” someone because they have a gay family member is a new low, but Edwards beat you to that little form of biggotry. (and at least he got his facts correct )

Ampersand on October 31, 2009 at 12:30 PM

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Apology accepted.

BTW, what makes you think your world is more real than mine. Seems pretty real here to me, Mr. Simon. (Since we don’t know your real name.)

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 12:32 PM

kingsjester on October 31, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Yep, had some exchanges with crappy polecat before I deployed. I thought she was Deb Frisch too. Definately a female then. Or a very unmanly man. Thanks for the info, KJ.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Apology accepted.

BTW, what makes you think your world is more real than mine. Seems pretty real here to me, Mr. Simon. (Since we don’t know your real name.)

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Problem is that you’re going to go back to being just plain ole Jim. As in “Hey, there’s Jim from Erie. Why is he always sooo angry?” See?

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 12:43 PM

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Er, huh? Oh wait, I get….

Nope, I don’t get it.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 12:47 PM

so, we have the Twin Trolls taking turns……..

The photo op was a disgrace, and both you retards know it.

It only makes those who despise Your Hero despise him even more, and you turds who worship him don’t care about soldiers, dead or alive, here or in The Stan

Janos Hunyadi on October 31, 2009 at 12:48 PM

***
Liz Cheney gets it right. Comrade Obama (PBUH) is always “on campaign” and in “photo op” mode. President Bush also visited the returning dead military personnel–without reporters and the press corps. He probably also prayed for their souls and for their families.
***
As far as President Obama’s salute–it looked pretty good to me. Some complain that he doesn’t have the right to salute since he never served in the military. He does–he is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF and his position deserves the salute–and gives him the right to salute also.
***
I saluted when I served in the U.S. Army. I put my hand over my heart now when appropriate. I still salute as a civilian when I attend military funerals at Ft. Bliss National Cemetary as a respect to those who served and whose souls are being commended to God–while Taps plays.
***
John Bibb
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rocketman on October 31, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Obama saluted all 15 fallen.

YYZ343 on October 30, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Umm, there were 18 fallen on the plane.

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I am still reeling over this. Using flag-draped coffins to gain political credibility. It is a new low for this Country.

jay12 on October 31, 2009 at 1:16 PM

It’s sad that the former male cheerleader invaded the wrong country in 2003 and here we are today. No wonder he drinks.

simple 343 on October 31, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Translation: “I just got my getalife kicked so will change the subject.”

So, Deb, you still haven’t entertained us with stories about far-Left racing car magnate Paul Newman. Still waiting for your talking points?

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 1:21 PM

He needed the cameras there for future use…you know..it’ll be run along with his message of how it was a “teaching moment” for him to see the caskets bearing the bodies of our young patriots, and how he must now support them by withdrawing from the mission. After all, victory was never the point.

He will be able to garner support for this decision by making sure more of our young men and women get killed. This will help gin up the info in his run up to declaring defeat.

Impeach this coward.

Itchee Dryback on October 31, 2009 at 2:15 PM

President Bush also visited the returning dead military personnel–without reporters and the press corps. He probably also prayed for their souls and for their families.

Um, actually, unlike Obama, Bush never visited Dover. Ever. So Cheney is lying (of course). But don’t let facts get in the way of your ODS circle jerk. Jerk.

Grow Fins on October 31, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Using flag-draped coffins to gain political credibility. It is a new low for this Country.

Hey, relax. Bush used the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis alike to “gain political credibility.” Didn’t hear you mewling about it then.

Grow Fins on October 31, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Impeach this coward.

Itchee Dryback

Educate this fool.

Grow Fins on October 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM

I think telling the world that your decision is impacted by seeing the fallen sldiers is like telling the Taliban to kill more soldiers to weakenr TOTUS’ resolve

keep yer yap shut and send in the troops

ginaswo on October 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Um, actually, unlike Obama, Bush never visited Dover. Ever.

Grow Fins -343 on October 31, 2009 at 2:18 PM

From your own link…

Mr. Obama’s predecessor, President George W. Bush, visited the families of hundreds of fallen soldiers but did not attend any military funerals or go to Dover to receive the coffins. In a 2006 interview with the military newspaper “Stars and Stripes,” Bush said he felt the appropriate way to show his respect was to meet with family members in private.

Hundreds of them. O’bama doesn’t even come close, kid.

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 2:42 PM

ODS circle jerk. Jerk.

Grow Fins on October 31, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Is that you, crap6? Why are you and crr6 never seen in the same place at the same time?

Both of you have a Way With Words ( for a twelve-year-old )

Janos Hunyadi on October 31, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Hey, relax. Bush used the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis alike to “gain political credibility.” Didn’t hear you mewling about it then.

Grow Fins -343 on October 31, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Epic FAIL, as usual.

First of all, Bush inherited the 9/11 attacks from his Democrat predecessor. bin Laden himself said the attacks were supposed to happen on Clinton’s watch.

After the 9/11 attacks, more than a few Democrats were mewling that Clinton never had as good of a “chance” to get political credibility as he never had anything like this happen when he was busy playing with cigars and interns instead of chasing bin Laden.

As for your second bit of comedy, it was your side that breathlessly gave us countdowns to “1,000 killed in Iraq, 2,000 killed in Iraq, 3,000 killed in Iraq, 4,000 killed in Iraq”.

Only fool here needing education is yourself. getalife.

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Zero and anyone who excuses this disgusting photo op simply have no respect for our fallen heroes.

He went there specifically so he could get a photo of him saluting some dead soldiers. This has nothing to do with honoring their service. How many war dead have been returned since he took office without the blink of an eye?

He has belittled their efforts for years, claiming all they do is ‘bomb innocent people’ and help bang the drum for those who seek to prosecute our soldiers for war crimes.

This photo is only going to be used to prop himself up and tear down the war effort.

Mr Purple on October 31, 2009 at 3:58 PM

No one can change the fact that Bozo is just a poser. He hates the military. This photo op is nothing more than a feeble attempt to market the notion that Bozo cares deeply for our fallen soldiers.

Taken together with his inability to lead from the front, his dithering, his retarded changes to the RoE, this photo is the same as spitting in our soldiers faces.

If he really cared, he would unleash our forces to send the Taliban, AlQaeda and their helpers straight to hell.

dogsoldier on October 31, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Why are people still shocked at how low a Democrat will go.
A snakes belly is Mount Everest to these people when it comes to ethics.

Jeff from WI on October 31, 2009 at 4:22 PM

How many war dead have been returned since he took office without the blink of an eye?

Mr Purple on October 31, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Since Dear Leader was elevated to Sainthood by an adoring media, some 118 US troops have been killed in Iraq, and 264 in Afghanistan. Those numbers do not include any killed in the final days in January after He was anointed The One.

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Since Dear Leader was elevated to Sainthood by an adoring media, some 118 US troops have been killed in Iraq, and 264 in Afghanistan. Those numbers do not include any killed in the final days in January after He was anointed The One.

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 4:48 PM

It takes time to clean up after 8 years of Mission Accomplished! you know.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Even under the “McChrystal light” strategy that he’s toying with right now, we’re still talking about a build-up of some kind.

I’ll stop reading right here to point out the stupidity of the McChrystal light strategy. Rumored to simply halve the request from 40K to 20K. It is based on no factual basis other than the filthy lying coward doesn’t want to commit troops at all (because it will anger his radical base) but he has a field commander requesting more resources. So, instead of listening to his general he simply gives him 50% for no rational reason. It is a treason that is even more offensive than making the return of fallen soldiers into a photo-op for his next re-election campaign.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 5:01 PM

It takes time to clean up after 8 years of Mission Accomplished! you know.

simplesimon on October 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM

The bucket and the mop are loaded with feces. Kind of hard to clean up something with a mess that wasn’t messy to begin with.

unclesmrgol on October 31, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Going to Dover before a build-up symbolizes the opposite, that he is willing to accept the political consequences of further casualties to defend U.S. interests.

This sentence is utter BS Allah. You should know better than to chalk this up to leadership. Show me any example in the filthy lying coward’s political career where he has been willing to accept the political consequence of his actions? Just one example. You can’t find it and somebody who looks at news stories as much as you do should not be so easily distracted.

Beyond that, the whole event being turned into a photo-op was offensive. There is no defense of that, not even the lame “Obama is a great leader” one you put forth. You clearly are losing your grip on reality.

highhopes on October 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Educate this fool.

Grow Fins on October 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Maobamas mind and spirit rot is so far advanced, that there is no hope for education. You’re blind hope is admirable, and by “admirable” I mean pathetically gullible.

Itchee Dryback on October 31, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Obama is shameless. IMHO this was totally driven by his administration’s desire for a photo-op.

BTW it’s telling how the trolls respond. Instead of mounting a principled defense of the One, they bring up irrelevant B.S. about other leaders and their alleged misdeeds — or the alleged misdeeds of HotAir members — thus confirming they agree this is a misdeed. Interesting.

Gloves are off with all liberals after the last lot AP and Ed let in here. Gloves off.! liberals are not deserving of even the simple courtesies we’d afford our worst enemies.

Oh…wait

PS SS, obama isn’t fit to carry Donald Rumsfeld’s jock either. I would take ole Donny boy over your inept CinC…any…day…of the week.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:37 AM

As long a ‘liberal’ means smarmy progressive leftist, I agree. :-)

RD on October 31, 2009 at 5:21 PM

It takes time to clean up.

simple 343 on October 31, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Still waiting for your spin on far Leftist auto racing team owner Paul Newman, Deb.

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Hey, relax. Bush used the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis alike to “gain political credibility.” Didn’t hear you mewling about it then.

Grow Fins on October 31, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Favorite ploy of leftist trolls — channeling the inner spirit of George Bush.

Petty he isn’t dead yet, right?

unclesmrgol on October 31, 2009 at 5:41 PM

I despise the leftist trolls on this site.

rlwo2008 on October 31, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Shameless

TheBigOldDog on October 31, 2009 at 5:46 PM

From December 2008, a report in the “Moonie” Washington Times. Of course, our trolls here will only attack the source, and not even attempt to refute the facts in the article. Go for it, kids.

The fact that only the Times even bothered to do a 4 page article on this story proves how much the rest of the press hated Bush (Although Faux News also covered it.) But if you do a Google search on “Bush met privately with soldiers’ families” many of the search results are of O’bama’s recent trip, along with whining posts from DU.

Excerpts below-I have snipped a few parts that are extended comments by Mrs. Bush.

For much of the past seven years, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have waged a clandestine operation inside the White House. It has involved thousands of military personnel, private presidential letters and meetings that were kept off their public calendars or sometimes left the news media in the dark.

Their mission: to comfort the families of soldiers who died fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and to lift the spirits of those wounded in the service of their country.

On Monday, the president is set to make a more common public trip – with reporters in tow – to Walter Reed Army Medical Center, home to many of the wounded and a symbol of controversy earlier in his presidency over the quality of care the veterans were receiving.

But the size and scope of Mr. Bush’s and Mr. Cheney’s private endeavors to meet with wounded soldiers and families of the fallen far exceed anything that has been witnessed publicly, according to interviews with more than a dozen officials familiar with the effort.

“People say, ‘Why would you do that?’” the president said in an Oval Office interview with The Washington Times on Friday. “And the answer is: This is my duty. The president is commander in chief, but the president is often comforter in chief, as well. It is my duty to be – to try to comfort as best as I humanly can a loved one who is in anguish.”

Mr. Bush, for instance, has sent personal letters to the families of every one of the more than 4,000 troops who have died in the two wars, an enormous personal effort that consumed hours of his time and escaped public notice. The task, along with meeting family members of troops killed in action, has been so wrenching – balancing the anger, grief and pride of families coping with the loss symbolized by a flag-draped coffin – that the president often leaned on his wife, Laura, for emotional support.

“I lean on the Almighty and Laura,” Mr. Bush said in the interview. “She has been very reassuring, very calming.”

Mr. Bush also has met privately with more than 500 families of troops killed in action and with more than 950 wounded veterans, according to White House spokesman Carlton Carroll. Many of those meetings were outside the presence of the news media at the White House or at private sessions during official travel stops, officials said.

The first lady said those private visits, many of which she also attended, took a heavy emotional toll, not just on the president, but on her as well.

-snip-

Mr. Cheney similarly has hosted numerous events, even sneaked away from the White House or his Naval Observatory home to meet troops at hospitals or elsewhere without a hint to the news media.

For instance, Mr. Cheney flew to North Carolina late last month and met with 500 special-operations soldiers for three hours on a Saturday night at a golf resort. The event was so secretive that the local newspaper didn’t even learn about it until three days after it happened.

Mr. Cheney and his wife, Lynne, also have hosted more than a half-dozen barbecues at their Naval Observatory home for wounded troops recovering at Bethesda Naval Hospital and Walter Reed and their spouses and children.

The vice president said Mr. Bush “feels a very special obligation to those who he has to send in harm’s way on behalf of the nation, and a very special obligation to their families, especially the families of those who don’t come home again.”

“He, in his travels, spends time with the families of the fallen. If he goes down to Fort Bragg, he’ll often times pull together the families of guys who were stationed at Bragg and killed in action, and spend time with the families,” Mr. Cheney told The Times in an interview last week.

Mr. Bush did just that when he visited Fort Bragg, N.C., in 2002, rallying 2,000 special-operation soldiers stationed at the base, which would send thousands of men to the two wars, hundreds of whom would never return. “I want their families to know that we pray with them, that we honor them, and they died in a just cause, for defending freedom, and they will not have died in vain,” he told the troops, his voice choking with emotion and his eyes welling up with tears.

That same month, in St. Petersburg, Fla., the president broke down in tears as he addressed the parents and family of one of the first soldiers to die in Afghanistan. “I know your heart aches, and we ache for you. But your son and your brother died for a noble and just cause,” he said as a tear rolled down his right cheek.

He stopped his speech, overcome by emotion as the crowd stood and cheered. His chin still quivering, he smeared away tears, smiled and shrugged his shoulders. Those were public events, but mirrored the scores of private meetings where emotions also ran deep.

“I do get a little emotional because it’s – I’m genuine when I say I’ll miss being the commander in chief,” the president told The Times. “I am in awe of our military. And I hold these folks in great respect. And I also sincerely appreciate the sacrifices that their families make.”

Mr. Bush sees his job as providing comfort to those who have sacrificed so much. “The definition of comfort is very interesting. Comfort means hug, comfort means cry, comfort means smile, comfort means listen. Comfort also means, in many cases, assure the parent or the spouse that any decision made about troops in combat will be made with victory in mind, not made about my personal standing in the polls or partisan politics.”

Asked where he gets the strength to meet with the families of soldiers whom he – as commnder in chief – sent to their deaths, he turned stern.

“You have to believe in the cause. You have to understand that – and believe we’ll be successful. If I didn’t believe in the cause, it would be unbelievably terrible. I believe strongly in what we’re doing. I believe it’s necessary for our security. And I believe history will justify the actions. …

“The interesting thing is, most of our troops fully understand this. They know we must defeat the enemy there so we don’t have to face them here. And in a place like Iraq, they fully understood that Iraq was a front for al Qaeda. And they saw their mission as one of defending America by defeating al Qaeda,” he told The Times.

Meeting with the families of the fallen has allowed the president to step out of the bubble that often surrounds him, to meet real people. “I find out a lot about the individuals when the families come and see me, because one thing they want to do is, they want to share. They want to share pictures or letters or moments.

“And I ask them to describe their loved one. What should I know about this person? Or they volunteer – ‘You’d like this guy.’ And many of them have said – it’s amazing, the comforter in chief oftentimes is the comforted person – comforted because of their strength, comforted because of their devotion, comforted because of their love for their family member. And a lot of them said, Mr. President, please know that my child wanted to do this.”

-snip-

Some private meetings with soldiers have been publicized at the request of the soldiers themselves. When Mr. Bush met with Spc. Max Ramsey, who lost his left leg in 2006 while serving in Iraq, and Sgt. Neil Duncan, a double-amputee injured in Afghanistan in 2005, it was Sgt. Duncan who asked for news coverage.

“I wasn’t sure my buddies would believe me,” Sgt. Duncan said, joking with the president. When Mr. Bush had visited him at Walter Reed, the sergeant had vowed to run again, and did so on the White House South Lawn’s jogging track in July 2007.

Although it was a Wednesday, Mr. Bush – who had scheduled a brief run – pulled the two soldiers through the trees to the White House pool after their jog.

“The group of us just sat there for like two hours maybe and chatted. On a whim, he just took two hours out of his schedule. … We talked about personal things, how he feels about the war, what’s been hard, what it’s like being the president, some of the most difficult times for him. It was very, very cool – priceless.”

Sgt. Duncan said he’s glad he got the media to cover what otherwise would have been a private visit. “I thought it would be good for other soldiers to see that. It was a personal accomplishment – I wanted my family and my friends and people that I know and people I’ve never met to see it.”

The vice president, who has been derided in the media as “Darth Vader,” also has operated outside of the limelight to support wounded troops and their families even though he could have made political hay if he had made them public. He and his wife have hosted wounded troops and their families at his residence at the Naval Observatory, arranging for big-name country singers, such as Charlie Daniels and Sara Evans, to provide entertainment.

Pressed whether he ever considered allowing rap music at one of his barbecues for the troops, the vice president laughed.

“No rap, no. The country and western is sort of a compromise between old folks – you know, the big band sound of the ’50s and the rappers that the younger generation understands,” he said.

Actually, Mr. Cheney did manage to connect troops at his home with the “American Idol” television phenomenon in February, when he hosted an event for about 50 wounded troops at the Naval Observatory that showcased Melinda Doolittle, the big-voiced singer who was a finalist on the sixth season of the hit show.

On June 30, the vice president – code-named “Angler” by the Secret Service for his love for fly-fishing – staged a fly-fishing event on his lawn with a group of wounded troops being helped out by the charitable organization Project Healing Waters.

Rather than the usual rubber waders and camouflage fishing hat, the vice president sported a dark suit, a white shirt, green tie and business shoes but still managed to show off his favorite fly-fishing cast to the troops. Instead of water, he aimed for a bright green patch of grass as the smiling military men and their wives picked up tips and practiced themselves.

Complete article here.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/22/bush-cheney-comforted-troops-privately/

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 5:49 PM

I despise the leftist trolls on this site.

rlwo2008 on October 31, 2009 at 5:42 PM

I don’t despise them-I feel sorry for them, as a mind is a terrible thing to waste, and they have all already wasted what little they were given.

They can’t debate us with facts, because they don’t have any that would support their ideas. As a result, they are reduced to trying to shift blame for the failures of their own candidate to others.

It’s a time-tested Leftist tactic. Remember when Hillary Clinton first blamed her husband’s adultery in the workplace with a subordinate not on him, but on the Right Wing?

And then later she blamed it on Billy Jeff’s mother and grandmother. Only a getalife would believe such rubbish, but the Democrats swallowed it whole.

No, they’re not to be “despised”. Just pitied. After all, with their beliefs they have no future.

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Del Dolemonte on October 31, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Thank you for your post. I lived in Texas when President Bush was the governor. He’s a good man.

yoda on October 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Someone has the mentioned movie “Taking chance”
I Saw it this morning 3 AM after visiting this thread yesterday

Now imagine a photo-op in this context

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGtSfLNmdjY

macncheez on October 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM

OT: It’s been just over one week now since my glaucoma surgery in my one functioning eye. So far the pressure in that eye is at a safe level. Still healing up and I can still feel a couple stitches in my eye (an unpleasant sensation let me tell you) but I think they’re about to dissolve out soon so hopefully the healing will continue.

Yakko77 on October 31, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Whoa – had no idea you were dealing w/this. Congrats on making it through the surgery.

Once you’re certain, I’d love to know the new & improved ball-park pressure readings you’re getting (cuz the surgery had better have helped, d-mmit) and if it’s okay I’ll try to say hello via your page.

My dad recently had surgery for detached retina and it seems to be holding, but AFAIC he got lucky – it was rapidly spiraling out of control when they intervened. It happened so fast.

Our flight surgeon tells me every year I’m a GC “suspect”. I always pass the tests though. Best of luck with your recovery, friend.

hawkdriver on October 31, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Those eye scans should start to show warning signs before you’re in real danger of a disaster, so as long as you get them regularly you should be okay. But picture-perfect eye scans probably won’t last forever… at some point the doc will need to intervene (even if it’s decades from now :-).

RD on October 31, 2009 at 6:15 PM

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