Fox News poll: America hates Congress; Update: Biden to campaign for Owens

posted at 4:16 pm on October 30, 2009 by Allahpundit

The partisan split among the sample is a little narrower than usual — 40/37 between Democrats and Republicans — but never mind that. Focus on independents.

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Congressional Dems rate slightly higher than Repubs (36/29), but never mind that either. The more this becomes an anti-incumbency movement, the more the majority party will suffer. Further to that point, read Ruffini’s counter-Gingrichian advice to the GOP to follow Doug Hoffman’s lead and run conservative candidates next year as stealth independents in select areas. It’s a crafty idea for blue districts where the GOP has virtually no chance anyway; anywhere else and it’s suicidal.

If you’re a party person, don’t dismiss this just yet. Say you’re the NRCC and you haven’t found a good recruit against a vulnerable House Democrat. Say the Republican nominee is a joke, or the incumbent is unopposed. Three months out, you go to your star recruit who turned you down a year ago and ask him to run as an independent. It’s a three month campaign as opposed to an 18-month campaign. They don’t have to quit their law practice or small business. They enter in the last few miles of the race, and you put serious pressure on the joke nominee to step aside, or put out word through local media and talk radio that this is the guy…

In a handful of races, perhaps in places where we can’t win with the Republican label alone, it might be more useful for the general election to be a strong Independent versus a Democrat rather than a Republican versus a Democrat. At one extreme of the Cook PVI, let’s stipulate that the general election against Charlie Rangel was waged with a Puerto Rican small business owner running on the No More Corrupt Politicians Party line with behind the scenes, logistical support from the GOP. At a minimum, that person would stand a better chance than a Republican in that district.

Maybe, or maybe he’d bleed enough support from the Democratic incumbent to clear the way for an upset by the centrist Republican nominee. If the RNC has the resources to back two candidates and there’s little chance of it backfiring, why not?

Speaking of conservative independents, here’s the latest set of attack ads from NY-23. Notice anyone missing? I think that Pataki endorsement was basically the last rites for Team Dede. Exit quotation: “The bottom has dropped out on her. She can’t win it.”

Update: The race is close enough that Greasy Joe himself is headed to upstate New York on Monday for an eleventh-hour rally. Um, didn’t we learn just this week that people don’t like him?

The Biden event comes the day before the special election, which has turned into a two-way contest between Owens and a third-party Conservative challenger, Doug Hoffman, who has captured the momentum in the race in the last several days.

It’s the second time Biden has campaigned for Owens – he went up to Syracuse in September to fundraise for him. And Obama headlined a New York City fundraiser for Owens last week.

For Owens to win, he needs to gin up the Democratic base in the upstate New York district to show up at the polls — voters who don’t normally turn out for off-year elections.

If New Jersey was in the bag, they probably wouldn’t be worried about the results in NY-23. The fact that they’re sending the vice president speaks volumes.

Meanwhile, Michael Steele says that if Hoffman wins, he’ll support his bid for reelection as a Republican next year.


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Lol

True_King on October 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM

This is without question the least ethical, least competent Congress in our nation’s history.

It’s not even up for debate.

NoDonkey on October 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM

if you only knew….

moonbatkiller on October 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM

And most of them, and others just like them will get voted in.

Sheep.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 30, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Question 8 results are trending nicely.

Many jobs will NOT be saved in Nov 2010.

WashJeff on October 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I wish ballots were required to note which candidate was the incumbent.

redshirt on October 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Lets put it this way; if they don’t get voted out in 2010, they’ll be thrown out one way or another.

elduende on October 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Term Limits.

Can you hear me now?

Doorgunner on October 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Maybe its stuff like this in the Healthcare bill that causes this “hate”:

Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for states to adopt and implement alternatives to medical liability litigation. [But]…… a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages.

Trial bar, we got your back.

WashJeff on October 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM

YEP.

HornetSting on October 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM

“Bad trade deals”?
The only thing “unfair” about competition from other nations is that we have to put up with our own government.

Count to 10 on October 30, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Looks like the same old story to me. “Throw the bums out, except for my bum, who is OK.”

Meremortal on October 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Huck on Cavuto said he wouldn’t vote for DeDe but he also didn’t endorse Hoffman.

txag92 on October 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM

America hates Congress

you’re darn tootin’…

cmsinaz on October 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Huck on Cavuto said he wouldn’t vote for DeDe but he also didn’t endorse Hoffman.

txag92 on October 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I don’t want Huckprah to support Hoffman. Keep the taint off of the conservative.

HornetSting on October 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

I wish ballots were required to note which candidate was the incumbent.

redshirt on October 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

In California, the ballots list the candidates profession: its pretty easy to tell when one says “congressman” and the other says “businessman”.

Count to 10 on October 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

This is a feral government. It cannot be domesticated again, but must be treated as the wild animal it now is.

progressoverpeace on October 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

I thought about this today when I saw a notice to meet “The Honorable …” of Congress. It’s funny, because in casual conversation, a Congressman is the last person most people would apply the title “honorable” to. Yet they are the people that have it officially.

kc8ukw on October 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

I don’t want Huckprah to support Hoffman. Keep the taint off of the conservative.

HornetSting on October 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Huckprah. LOL!

txag92 on October 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Hate is too soft of a word….

HornetSting on October 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Count me in as a hater. (of congress that is)

bbordwell on October 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM

WashJeff on October 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Am I reading that right? Are they threatening to withhold “incentives” (cash) from any state that enacts “tort reform” on their own? What other alternative could there possibly be for Medical liability litigation?

So they are basically Giving taxpayer money to the states to make sure they do not enact some sort or cap on damages that can be recieved or a limit on the ammount of money a lawyer can skim off the top. That sounds like bribery to me.

Mord on October 30, 2009 at 4:29 PM

This is the only time in my life so far that I’ve considered armed conflict to oust an overbearing over-reaching government.

Think I hate them??

You bet your a$$ I do.

tickleddragon on October 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM

It’s not hard to hate my Senators and Congresswoman. Boxer and Feinstein,and Lynn Woolsey.Sure they really represent my views.

sandee on October 30, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Exit quotation: “The bottom has dropped out on her. She can’t win it.”

Buh Bye!

cmsinaz on October 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Count me in as a hater. (of congress that is)

bbordwell on October 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Me too. plus 1000

Tim Zank on October 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Hate and distrust with a white hot intensity. Yep that’s me. FIRE all of them.

milwife88 on October 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Mord on October 30, 2009 at 4:29 PM

That’s the way I read it. I go that clip from a link at Drudge (which is a link to BigGovernment.com).

Feds bribing the states NOT to do tort reform.

WashJeff on October 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Awwwwww, and they hate us too!

thebrokenrattle on October 30, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Shouldn’t this be: Important study of the day?

Abby Adams on October 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM

The communist democrats in Congress couldn’t care less. All they care about is keeping us in the dark long enough to kill this country off.

darwin on October 30, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Texas has caps on medical awards. Does this mean TX is not eligible for incentives unless they rescind the current laws?
Pelosi is pure evil.

lonestar1 on October 30, 2009 at 4:37 PM

It’s easy to hate people who lie, cheat, steal, and threaten.

rjoco1 on October 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

WashJeff on October 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM

That is insane! I can’t even think of a suitable comment.

Mord on October 30, 2009 at 4:40 PM

I wonder if its realistic to imagine official sub-parties within the party, with each sub-party putting up someone for the full-party nomination in the primary.

Count to 10 on October 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM

I think this congress is getting close to INTOLERABLE ACTS.And since I’m a PATRIOT, I’m your huckelberry..Death to TYRANTS..

huckelberry on October 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM

LOL!!!!! Yeah, we really needed a poll to know that.

Daggett on October 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Ahahaha. Biden to campaign for Owens.

AHahahahahahaha
*breathe*
Ahahahahahahahha!

Enoxo on October 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM

How many gaffes will JB give us to knock Owen out?.

hawkman on October 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Update: Biden to campaign for Owens

“What could go wrong?”

davidk on October 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM

huckelberry on October 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM

“You’re such a peach.”

davidk on October 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

I’ve been having vivid fantasies of people committing arson in the District while Congress is in session lately, so, yeah, “hate” seems like the correct word for what I’ve been feeling.

Aitch748 on October 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Congress:

C=Conniving
O=Ornery
N=Nefarious
G=Grotesque
R=Rotten
E=Egregious
S=Sniveling
S=Snakes

Key West Reader on October 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Meanwhile, Michael Steele says that if Hoffman wins, he’ll support his bid for reelection as a Republican next year.

Sorry, Steele. You screwed the pooch already with your endorsement of Scuzzyfuzz.

Enoxo on October 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Doesn’t it seem like lots of people say that, and then click the box next to the incumbent come election day?

search4truth on October 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

I’ve got some down comforters. Who has the tar? :-)

Firefly_76 on October 30, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Come on down Biden!!!!!!!!!!!!!

taney71 on October 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Obama announces recovery is working.
Obama announces 750,000 jobs saved or created.

Dow drops 250 points.

The market calls BS.

fogw on October 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Fedzilla must be terminated.

DTogo on October 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

In California, the ballots list the candidates profession: its pretty easy to tell when one says “congressman” and the other says “businessman”.

Count to 10 on October 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Did the 2008 ballot list Obama’s occupation as community organizer?

farright on October 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Idiot Joe to save the day!
Gaffetastic!

HornetSting on October 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Is ‘loath’ more intense than ‘hate’? Because if it is, then I loath congress.

AUINSC on October 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

“The bottom has dropped out on her. She can’t win it.”

Big bottom. Thump. Bruised…goes home…

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Though I have suspected something of this nature might be in play from the othe side, i.e. Dagget siphoning from Christie’s effort in NJ. I think Ruffini’s ployw ould back-fire as the Republican’s proclivity for ineptitude nefarious derring-docan traced back to the Watergate debacle.

As callous and disloyal it may be, the RNC is just going to have to get with the program, and betray the squishies they been promoting for far too long.

The idocy of appealing to the liberal constituency isunprincipled as well as tactically moronic, they will only shed their base and never out-do the progressives in collectivism. To imagine otherwise is delusional.

If they refuse, or cannot return to our founding principles of small government, liberty and free-markets, they go the way of the Do-Do. And good riddance.

Archimedes on October 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Did the 2008 ballot list Obama’s occupation as community organizer?

farright on October 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

I wasn’t there, but it would have said “Senator” for both of them.

Count to 10 on October 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

and there is the problem

19% of Americans think congress should be reelected
51% of Americans think THEIR congressman should be elected.

When are people going to understand that Their/mine/your congressman are the problem and they make up the congress.

Vote them up.

unseen on October 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Though I have suspected something of this nature might be in play from the othe side, i.e. Dagget siphoning from Christie’s effort in NJ. I think Ruffini’s ploy would back-fire as the Republican’s proclivity for ineptitude in nefarious derring-do can be traced back to the Watergate debacle.

Effing typos!

Archimedes on October 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

unseen on October 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Perhaps the question needs to be asked in a party specific way. We may find that Republicans and Democrats overwhelmingly want the other party voted out, but want to keep their own.

Count to 10 on October 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

All-in support from Obama in NJ and now an insignifigant 1-year special election congressional seat. That seems a little odd, kinda like they are worried that these races will screw up the Narrative they have carefully built. It’s hard to drasitcly skew polls in favor of Obama when all the states he won start going republican.

Mord on October 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Idiot Joe to save the day!
Gaffetastic!

HornetSting on October 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

They’re sending him there to help? Hell, Joe could gaffe his way into locking it up for Hoffman.

Doughboy on October 30, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Congress:

C=Conniving
O=Ornery
N=Nefarious
G=Grotesque
R=Rotten
E=Egregious
S=Sniveling
S=Snakes

Key West Reader on October 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Oh my, someone appears to have time on their hands, none the less, well played KWR.

Archimedes on October 30, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Wow, is Owens purposely trying to lose? I mean Joe isn’t the brightest speaker around. Did Obama send him instead of going himself so as to have someone to blame if Owens loses? This is just a one year replacement so why is it such a desperate thing to go there and campaign? Curiouser and curiouser.

sandee on October 30, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Off topic:

Wall street had a major reversal today. Which is usally the sign of a short to mid term top. Look for the market to fall. We could see 6,000 Dow again soon very soon. Advice if in market think about getting some of the gains off the table.

unseen on October 30, 2009 at 5:03 PM

This is without question the least ethical, least competent Congress in our nation’s history.

It’s not even up for debate.

NoDonkey on October 30, 2009 at 4:19 PM

AND THEY ARE THE ONES “FIXING” HEALTHCARE

deepinthought on October 30, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Hey , isn’t biden working on the AfPak plan?

the_nile on October 30, 2009 at 5:04 PM

You know you got no ammo when they send in Biden to save the day.

Hey how about that other VP candidate? What’s her name? She would clinch it.

Otherwise Dede must concede. Cull the political population with a late stage abortion for the unwanted candidate; and that would be Dede.

Geochelone on October 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

AND THEY ARE THE ONES “FIXING” HEALTHCARE

deepinthought on October 30, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Their plan is population control.

the_nile on October 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Perhaps the question needs to be asked in a party specific way. We may find that Republicans and Democrats overwhelmingly want the other party voted out, but want to keep their own.

Count to 10 on October 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Which is the problem. it doesn’t matter what party they are in they ALL needed to be retired. All 535 of the people responsibile for the mess that is the federal government regardless of party. A nation wide purge of elites is what is needed. D and R

unseen on October 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Dump the lot them, and rather unceremoniously at that. Then pick up the phonebook pick 435/100 names randomly.

Reason and sanity could then govern again.

Archimedes on October 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Maybe its stuff like this in the Healthcare bill that causes this “hate”:

Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for states to adopt and implement alternatives to medical liability litigation. [But]…… a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages.

Trial bar, we got your back.

WashJeff on October 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM

That is some really bad drafting; does that mean new laws only? California already has ‘laws on the the books’ arguably limiting attorneys fees; the professional conduct rules limit attorneys from collecting “unconscionable” fees and Cal. Bus & Prof. code § 6146 limits the percentage an attorney can charge in a med mal case.

LASue on October 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Rasmussen +3 and Neighborhood (R) +7 have Christie up. Democrat poll has Corzine up +1.

SouthernGent on October 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM

huckelberry on October 30, 2009 at 4:41 PM

“You’re such a peach.”

davidk on October 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Nope I’m your huckelberry. By the way my name is David K. also..

huckelberry on October 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM

“The bottom has dropped out on her…..

bwahahahahahahaha

csdeven on October 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM

California 10 is another district to look for. If the Republican can somehow win there…wowza. 2 humbots?

SouthernGent on October 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Hate is too soft of a word….

HornetSting on October 30, 2009 at 4:28 PM

And that is an understatement.

Johan Klaus on October 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Hate is not strong enough of a word.

nor on October 30, 2009 at 5:11 PM

America hates Congress

“Hates” is too kind… “loathes” is more accurate

ya2daup on October 30, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member of Congress….
But then I repeat myself.
-Mark Twain

Johan Klaus on October 30, 2009 at 5:12 PM

“I don’t split the party into conservative or not,” he said. “I’m looking as the national chairman to walk out of there one way or the other with a win.”

Steele needs to go. Now.

OmahaConservative on October 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM

No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
-Mark Twain

Johan Klaus on October 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Congress is DoublePlusUnGood. I am trained in congressional double speak.

Geochelone on October 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Talk is cheap…except when Congress does it.

Johan Klaus on October 30, 2009 at 5:14 PM

There is no distinctly Native American criminal class…save Congress.
-Mark Twain

Johan Klaus on October 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM

I can hear the stump speech now.

Biden: “The best candidate, as Barack Obama says, happens to be a three letter word – Bill. B -I – L – L. Bill.”

SBABG on October 30, 2009 at 5:19 PM

If you are in the Fort Worth, Texas area and looking for an alternative to Kay Granger check out Mike Brasovan at http://www.mikebrasovan.com. He is a true conservative and put his hat in the ring this summer.

truetexan on October 30, 2009 at 5:19 PM

I think the Mother’s & Father’s of a lot of these people are also brother’s and sister’s

PatriotRider on October 30, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Huck on Cavuto said he wouldn’t vote for DeDe but he also didn’t endorse Hoffman.

txag92 on October 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Huckabee is such a weasel. He might be personable and likeable as a person, but he comes across as a slimey, opportunist disguised as a nice guy to me. And he really is not fiscally conservative. Just socially conservative. We need fiscal conservatives right now.

karenhasfreedom on October 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Update: Biden to campaign for Owens
“What could go wrong?”

davidk on October 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Slow Joe’s going to “help” Corzine? Go Joe go! Christie needs all the help he can get.

AZCoyote on October 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Even if Hoffman doesn’t beat Owens, he’s already beaten DeeDee. That in itself should be a wake up call to the GOP.

Christian Conservative on October 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM

That poll is depressing. Same thing we always see–”Throw everyone out except for my representative, who’s a good one.”

Things will never change.

Andy in Colorado on October 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM

And in my case, I’m “represented” by Jared Polis, Mark Udall, and Michael Bennet. So at least I’m not in that second group who wants, inexplicably, to retain my own congresscritters.

Andy in Colorado on October 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Looking more closely at those poll numbers, the indies are trending to not want to elect their personal incumbent again. That is a good trend to have prior to next year. If the indies break anti-incumbent, then statistically that will cause more Dems to fall, not just the blue dogs. Only districts like Maxine Waters who always wins by 80% will be safe. The rest of the races where the incumbent doesn’t get more than 55% of the vote could turn against the incumbent. And hopefully acorn stays neutered for a while. Otherwise, it won’t matter.

karenhasfreedom on October 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM

The radicals in Congress and our so-called president are coming for you …

tarpon on October 30, 2009 at 5:26 PM

And he really is not fiscally conservative. Just socially conservative. We need fiscal conservatives right now.

karenhasfreedom on October 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

He is not even socially conservative, if you consider his stand on illegal immigration.

Johan Klaus on October 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Biden held a fundraiser for the DNC in South Florida this week-

“About 60 people attended the event. Ticket prices were $1,000, $10,000 and $30,000.”

They didn’t say how much they raised, but I wonder if anyone paid over $1000.

60 people…what a crowd!

djn on October 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM

This is a feral government. It cannot be domesticated again, but must be treated as the wild animal it now is.

Yep. And we all know what we have to do with feral animals that have become a danger.

JoeinTX on October 30, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Meanwhile, Michael Steele says that if Hoffman wins, he’ll support his bid for reelection as a Republican next year.

How magnanimous. At this point, why would Hoffman want anything to do with you?

Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM

I thought about this today when I saw a notice to meet “The Honorable …” of Congress. It’s funny, because in casual conversation, a Congressman is the last person most people would apply the title “honorable” to. Yet they are the people that have it officially. kc8ukw on October 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Excuse me. I worked hard for that title. Could you address me as “honorable”? Okay?

Thanks.

Mojave Mark on October 30, 2009 at 5:34 PM

It’s so easy to my congress thing “Triple J”, and “my” president, my governor, both my senators, my general assembly man, my state senator, my mayor, and since I’m guessing my alderman is also a democrat-I’ll hate him too.
Illinois-if nothing else-is consistent.

annoyinglittletwerp on October 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Term Limits.

Can you hear me now?

Doorgunner on October 30, 2009 at 4:21 PM

I just might be the only one here that will disagree with this sentiment. Although I want a full sweep of every current federal office holder, I still don’t like the idea of a term limit amendment. There is a mechanism for term limits to occur naturally and I prefer that route. Vote them out of office. All of them.

anuts on October 30, 2009 at 5:42 PM

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