Smart power: Hillary dumps on Bush, accuses Pakistanis of protecting Al Qaeda

posted at 5:13 pm on October 29, 2009 by Allahpundit

Like Geraghty says, get used to this. Never mind that The One’s kept up Bush’s policy of aggressive drone strikes inside Pakistan and is set to deploy thousands more U.S. troops right next door. If she can buy some cheap comity with her Pakistani audience by dumping on the crazed wingnut hawk who preceded him, she’ll do it every time. Message to foreign nations from the secretary of state: Be sure to check the president’s party affiliation before deciding whether anti-Americanism is justified.

As a way of repudiating past U.S. policies toward Pakistan, Clinton told the students “there is a huge difference” between the Obama administration’s approach and that of former President George W. Bush. “I spent my entire eight years in the Senate opposing him,” she said to a burst of applause from the audience of several hundred students. “So to me, it’s like daylight and dark.”

That’s from an AP report quoted by former Cheney advisor John Hannah, who wonders, “Does anyone advising President Obama and the secretary of state really believe that this kind of partisanship and trash-talking abroad about another American president is really going to buy us much long-term goodwill among either our friends or our adversaries? Do they imagine that this sort of thing really helps to advance U.S. national interests?” Answer: Who cares? The more long-term goodwill they buy, the more it might redound to the advantage of future Republican presidents. Better to make goodwill conditional on the president’s party so ye olde talking point about “improving America’s image in the world” can be trotted out for each and every election going forward.

But that wasn’t her only diplomatic masterstroke of the day:

In Lahore, Pakistan, today Secretary of State Hillary Clinton delivered a blunt message to six prominent Pakistani newspaper editors.

Asked by Asha’ar Rehman, an editor of Dawn, why the US war on terror is so localized to Pakistan, Clinton did not mince words.

“Al-Qaeda has had safe haven in Pakistan since 2002,” she said. “I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to.”

Clinton allowed, “maybe that’s the case; maybe they’re not gettable. I don’t know.”

The State Department’s already gone into damage control mode as the buzz over what she said builds in Pakistan. In her defense, if by “government” she means Pakistan’s intelligence service, which is notorious for colluding with jihadist nutbag groups like Lashkar e-Taiba, then this isn’t a crazy charge to make at all. But if you’re going to make it, why on earth would you make it so offhandedly, without backing it up with evidence? And why on earth would you make it now when the Pakistani leadership’s just ordered a risky military offensive in South Waziristan to hammer the Taliban? Pakistani troops are dying in an effort to liquidate these cretins, much to the consternation of citizens over there, and here’s this idiot publicly accusing the government of basically hiding Osama. Like Powerline says, “Does either of the above instances represent how a competent, professional diplomat would behave?”

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I wonder what Mr. Clinton thinks?

stackedeck on October 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM

But but but BOOOOOOSH.

I fully expect Obama to run against Bush in 2012, too.

Enoxo on October 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM

The woman, just like her husband, has no class whatsoever.

You can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can’t take the trailer park out of the girl.

AZ_Mike on October 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM

In related news, Hillary Clinton announced that the CIA has been lying to Nancy Pelosi.

John the Libertarian on October 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Like I said in the headlines, there’s a sense in which it’s understandable: Pakistanis hate the U.S., and so distancing ourselves from the past might help. Only four problems: (a) it’s better to be feared than loved (b) they don’t trust U.S. leaders (c) Obama loves himself some drone attacks and (d) it’s Hillary Clinton trying to repudiate past administrations.

calbear on October 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Blame your predecessor
Blame the country your visiting
Backtrack and beg forgiveness

Rinse and Repeat

Defector01 on October 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM

“So to me, it’s like daylight and dark.”

Don’t underestimate the power of the dark side.

Tony737 on October 29, 2009 at 5:18 PM

She looks so Presidential in blue…

d1carter on October 29, 2009 at 5:18 PM

These people have no class at all. Not a bit.

Terrye on October 29, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Has she dodged any sniper fire yet?

Dire Straits on October 29, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Hillary in a blue dress. Classic.

BHO Jonestown on October 29, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Truth to power:

Clinton did not mince words.

“Al-Qaeda has safe haven in Pakistan since 2002 with us Democrats,” she said. “I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to the honorable opposition doesn’t know that.”

Clinton allowed, “maybe that’s the case; maybe they’re not gettable. I don’t know. when you stike again at last we can beat the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

Liam on October 29, 2009 at 5:20 PM

“I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to.”

I can’t believe I find myself agreeing with her.

Tony737 on October 29, 2009 at 5:21 PM

When will Obama get rid of this Boosh person ? can’t he fire him ?

borntoraisehogs on October 29, 2009 at 5:21 PM

“… daylight and dark.” Raaaaaaciiist!!!!!

ultracon on October 29, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Hillary in a blue dress. Classic.

BHO Jonestown on October 29, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Who wants to bet no man will come near enough to stain it?

OmahaConservative on October 29, 2009 at 5:22 PM

Someone tell this old witch to get our troops out of harm’s way already and close Gitmo. This administration isn’t better than Bush so far on war policy. It’s not even the same – it’s WORSE on civil liberties and foreign aggression and inflaming anti-American sentiment. Sad to see Pakistanis sucked into the pure partisanship. If they really cared about security, they’d jeer at both Bush and Hillary’s gang of thieves.

This is why one supports you know who if they care about foreign policy. Not the Democrats.

The Dean on October 29, 2009 at 5:23 PM

a burst of applause from the audience of several hundred students.

All you need to know. She knew her audience was a bunch of Pakistani versions of GrowFins, crr6, Bleeds Blue, etc.

Del Dolemonte on October 29, 2009 at 5:24 PM

The time will come when the American people will have their “lightbulb” moment and realize that these folks are just plain stupid. They may ride on what’s left of Bush’s strategy re: the GWOT for a while but our enemies won’t let Obama’s weakness and inexperience go to waste for long. Then again, why attack and destroy when your enemy will gladly do it to themselves? God help us.

volnation on October 29, 2009 at 5:24 PM

This administration isn’t better than Bush so far on war policy. It’s not even the same – it’s WORSE on civil liberties and foreign aggression and inflaming anti-American sentiment.

The Dean343 on October 29, 2009 at 5:23 PM

And you’re saying this because you voted for McCain, right?

Del Dolemonte on October 29, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Like Sarkozy I’m for outlawing burkas except for Hillary.

MCGIRV on October 29, 2009 at 5:26 PM

world would be a better place if the stupid blue veil also covered her face….

SDarchitect on October 29, 2009 at 5:26 PM

The Bushes love the Clintons….It’s all one elite group now anyway.

nondhimmie on October 29, 2009 at 5:26 PM

As a way of repudiating past U.S. policies toward Pakistan, Clinton told the students “there is a huge difference” between the Obama administration’s approach and that of former President George W. Bush. “I spent my entire eight years in the Senate opposing him,” she said to a burst of applause from the audience of several hundred students. “So to me, it’s like daylight and dark.”

Hillary’s nose should be at least 10 inches long just from that alone.

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

MB4 on October 29, 2009 at 5:27 PM

I really can’t remember a time in my life when officials in a current administration went around the world bad mouthing our country and our previous president.

Meanwhile, they accomplish nothing other than give speeches and pat themselves on the back.

fogw on October 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM

In 2012, if Obama takes a shot of bourbon every time he will start with “I inherited…”, he won’t be conscious by Labor day.

jjshaka on October 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Can hillary go full native and find one of those that covers the whole face. Maybe wear it most of the time out of solidarity or something.

Greed on October 29, 2009 at 5:31 PM

In 2012, if Obama takes a shot of bourbon every time he will start with “I inherited…”, he won’t be conscious by Labor day.

jjshaka on October 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Not only will he not be conscious, he will have an alcohol content higher than a bottle of Everclear.

MB4 on October 29, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Throwin’ America-hating red meat at an anti-Western Muslim crowd overseas? Just another day in the hapless Obama administration.

Rational Thought on October 29, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Hilary was convinced that a vast right wing conspiracy left a stain on a blue dress too.

ctmom on October 29, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Hey, Hillary, if you want to represent America, take the freaking head scarf off.

Connie on October 29, 2009 at 5:32 PM

RESET!!!

Behold the wonders of s.m.a.r.t. power.

jukin on October 29, 2009 at 5:32 PM

the difference between daylight and dark is important to her because daylight will cause her to burst into flames and explode

yeah, that’s all I’ve got: That’s all this is worth

Janos Hunyadi on October 29, 2009 at 5:33 PM

“it’s like daylight and dark.””

She’s a racist – she can’t help herself!!

exhelodrvr on October 29, 2009 at 5:34 PM

The lost 11th Commandment from the Bible …

“Thou shalt not blame all your phuck-ups on Bush”

darwin on October 29, 2009 at 5:35 PM

What I want to know is if she took her bag of reset overcharge buttons with her on this trip. So, democrats, how’s that SMART POWER working for you?

johnnybgood on October 29, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Now is official:

World history starts in 2001. (or as Bush took offic.)

HRC forgot BillyJeff was once in WH too.

Sir Napsalot on October 29, 2009 at 5:36 PM

And you’re saying this because you voted for McCain, right?

Del Dolemonte on October 29, 2009 at 5:25 PM

I’m a conservative. The only people to vote for McCain are the neo-liberals.

The Dean on October 29, 2009 at 5:36 PM

The woman, just like her husband, has no class whatsoever.
You can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can’t take the trailer park out of the girl.

AZ_Mike on October 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM

That’s an insult to girls in trailer parks, whom I never knew to lie when the truth sounded better.

TXUS on October 29, 2009 at 5:36 PM

HRC is an anti-American cnut on the order of Pelosi, Boxer & Waters.

OmahaConservative on October 29, 2009 at 5:38 PM

OT: Ack! Beck finally unveiled. Huge anticlimax.

John the Libertarian on October 29, 2009 at 5:38 PM

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

MB4 on October 29, 2009 at 5:27 PM

None of these nitwit politicians ever actually believed any of this. They all just wanted more war and socialism (and they definitely got it).

The Dean on October 29, 2009 at 5:39 PM

“So to me, it’s like daylight and dark.”

Now that’s racism, straight up.

Knucklehead on October 29, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Hey, Hillary, if you want to represent America, take the freaking head scarf off.

Connie on October 29, 2009 at 5:32 PM

I have noticed over the years that when women officials go to a muslim country they seem to usually wear some manner of muslin “gear” but the men do not as I recall. I quess that “You’ve come a long way, baby” only goes so far.

MB4 on October 29, 2009 at 5:41 PM

“I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to.”

She just said aloud what all of us are already convinced of. Would we prefer that she said the opposite, just to be “diplomatic?”

Be assured, I loathe the Clintons. But in this case I’m not going to pile on. She spoke truth. For the first time in my adult life, I am proud not disgusted by a Clinton.

innominatus on October 29, 2009 at 5:41 PM

It baffles me how a home-work doing, smart-power using, person-who-is-definitely grownup (as opposed to the last administration) diplomat like Hillary could possibly slip in stating such an elementary fact. Or not.

Black Yoshi on October 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM

What is the difference between yogurt and Hillary?

Yogurt has some culture in it

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM

The Deano voted for real conservative Joerg Haider, but then he fell off the cliff

runner on October 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM

I want her in a burqa!

Too much still shows!

And, according to the Koran, she is only worth 50% of a man, so her blather is only half-witted, at best.

I wonder how many Al Qaeda were in her audience, chuckling.

profitsbeard on October 29, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Like Powerline says, “Does either of the above instances represent how a competent, professional diplomat would behave?”

Does her Boss represent how a competent, professional pro American executive would behave? Yeah nuff said.

elduende on October 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM

I’m a conservative. The only people to vote for McCain are the neo-liberals.

The Dean343 on October 29, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Whatever you say, dear.

Del Dolemonte on October 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Can we pay the mullahs in Pakistan to publically flog Hillary, before they send her back to us ?

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM

I think she looks best in the triple layered burqa with the very narow eye slit and her mouth (and ankles) fully covered..

Basilsbest on October 29, 2009 at 5:47 PM

Another day, another Soros/Ayers/Wright mouthpiece squawks. Hussein has only lies and hatred of America in his soul and has surrounded himself with exactly the same type of people, because that is where he came from. The real shocker would be if Hussein or someone in this administration said something – anything – that was remotely pro-America. He just doesn’t have it in him. Look at how he is blowing off the biggest celebration in Europe in 50 years, the fall of the Berlin Wall and communism. He will get on a jet and try to get his hood the Olympics (fail) and then to accept (ever so humbly of course) the joke of a Nobel Piece (of $hit) Prize.
President Douchnozzle.

txrmctague on October 29, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Hillary in a blue dress. Classic.

BHO Jonestown on October 29, 2009 at 5:20 PM

+100. If the Stain Master (BJ Clinton) knows about this he will be reaching for a box of cigars. run Hill run (and I don’t mean for the presidency.)

Geochelone on October 29, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Gee, I wonder what her voting record was during the Bush Administration when it came to sending $ to Pakistan?

mossberg500 on October 29, 2009 at 5:49 PM

What is the difference between yogurt and Hillary?

Yogurt has some culture in it

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM

What is the difference between Joe Isuzu and Hillary?

For Joe Izuzu lying was only a part time job.

MB4 on October 29, 2009 at 5:49 PM

What is the difference between yogurt and Hillary?

Yogurt has some culture in it

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Before you take that to the bank you might want to consider that somewhere there is some poor bastard that is her OBGYN. Betting there is some sort of culture going on there.

MikeA on October 29, 2009 at 5:51 PM

“Al-Qaeda has had safe haven in Pakistan since 2002,” she said. “I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to.”

Good thing this woman’s job doesn’t involve diplomacy or dealing with foreign nations or anything. What a trainwreck that would be!

highhopes on October 29, 2009 at 5:52 PM

They said if I voted for McCain, the most prominent woman in the administration would be a disaster. And they were right!

Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 5:52 PM

More and more we see that Hillary would have been a bad choice for President, too.

albill on October 29, 2009 at 5:55 PM

They said if I voted for McCain, the most prominent woman in the administration would be a disaster. And they were right!

Jim Treacher

But that’d be chump change compared to the top two dimwits

Defector01 on October 29, 2009 at 5:55 PM

….and get that f+cking dishtowel off your head

Janos Hunyadi on October 29, 2009 at 5:56 PM

The real question is, IS SHE REALLY COMPETENT?

regmgr on October 29, 2009 at 5:57 PM

“Al-Qaeda has had safe haven in Pakistan since 2002,” she said. “I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn’t get them if they really wanted to.”

Hilbillary
Your husband knew where BinLaden was much before 2002.
So what exactly did he do about it ?

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 5:57 PM

You got to hand it to them….they (white house and his goons) are on video *glenn, telling the truth…..It is Americans that voted for it….which line do I get in to get my obama money, my car, my house, my healthcare…..

GO GALT…..that will take care of the lines….they will storm obama’s stash and demand…………

I hope I live long enough to see the Chinese take the whole 545 of them and strip them of their homes, cars, their healthcare and all of their stashes……

nondhimmie on October 29, 2009 at 5:59 PM

and get that f+cking dishtowel off your head

Janos Hunyadi on October 29, 2009 at 5:56 PM

That’s a Babushka.

WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 6:00 PM

It’s time for more Cheney whoop ass.
I think another interview, or speech will come from Darth Cheney soon. Because Bush is keeping silent through all of this.

cubachi on October 29, 2009 at 6:01 PM

That’s a Babushka.

WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Is that Nancy Pelosi without botox ?

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 6:02 PM

She also prayed with a Muslim leader at some Muslim poet’s memorial or something like that. From Dawn.com Her scheduled visit to a sufi mausoleum in Lahore was switched at the last minute to a trip to a similar monument in Islamabad early Thursday.

TruthToBeTold on October 29, 2009 at 6:02 PM

The real question is, IS SHE REALLY COMPETENT?

regmgr on October 29, 2009 at 5:57 PM

uh, NO0000? Did someone think she was or something?

MikeA on October 29, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Is there one decent person in the Odumbass administration?

txag92 on October 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM

What a continuing embarrassment this stupid woman is.

AZCoyote on October 29, 2009 at 6:04 PM

She did not oppose Bush for 8 years. She was gung-ho for the war on terror (WTC attack was in her state), and then she peeled off when political expediency called. DNC talking points have no place Department diplomatic efforts. What a disaster!

mwbri on October 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM

They said if I voted for McCain, the most prominent woman in the administration would be a disaster. And they were right!

Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 5:52 PM

I love how you are able to say so much with so few words.

fourdeucer on October 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM

I’m wondering how many in the White House want to wrap that scarf around Hillarys neck, and give a good tug right now.

Geeze, I’ve seen road rage on the interstate that was smarter, and more diplomatic!

capejasmine on October 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Betting there is some sort of culture going on there.

MikeA on October 29, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Weeds ? Dry grass ?

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Is there one decent person in the Odumbass administration?

txag92 on October 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Well, can you name one? Do you know anyone personally who can name one?

MikeA on October 29, 2009 at 6:06 PM

One big difference between the two is (to paraphrase Krauthammer) that Obama’s new Afghanistan policy, which is to give the Taliban/al Qaeda free reign in the countryside, will afford them safe haven for their continuing attacks against Pakistan. Not sure if Bush would have done that.

DarkKnight3565 on October 29, 2009 at 6:06 PM

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 6:06 PM

I was thinking more like something that would scare the sh*t out of penicillin.

MikeA on October 29, 2009 at 6:08 PM

“I spent my entire eight years in the Senate opposing him. So to me, it’s like daylight and dark.”

This from the ORIGINAL “party of no.” NOW of course, everybody is supposed to support the president!

Star20 on October 29, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Is there one decent person in the Odumbass administration?

txag92 on October 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Damn you for asking. Now we’ll be seeing a Decency Czar, probably Pee Wee Herman.

TXUS on October 29, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Is there one decent person in the Odumbass administration?

txag92 on October 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Is he a part of the administration

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 6:10 PM

I was thinking more like something that would scare the sh*t out of penicillin.

MikeA on October 29, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Molds need humidity

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 6:13 PM

I love how you are able to say so much with so few words.

fourdeucer on October 29, 2009 at 6:05 PM

At the risk of sounding pompous and self-serving, I graciously accept your compliment, and I congratulate you on having the impeccable taste and unerring discernment to Ditto!

Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 6:15 PM

She just said aloud what all of us are already convinced of. Would we prefer that she said the opposite, just to be “diplomatic?”

Be assured, I loathe the Clintons. But in this case I’m not going to pile on. She spoke truth. For the first time in my adult life, I am proud not disgusted by a Clinton.

innominatus on October 29, 2009 at 5:41 PM

innominatus,

Were Hillary Clinton speaking as a private citizen, Mrs. Bill Clinton, or even Senator Clinton speaking the truth is an option. But yes, I would prefer my Secretary of State be “diplomatic” when going abroad.

Of course what she said is true but there is a way this stuff works and that doesn’t include the American Secretary of State telling an audience of Pakistanis that their government sucks. How would you feel if a guest at your annual Thanksgiving feast started ranting about how dry the turkey was? It may be valid criticism and everybody may know that you served something closer to turkey jerky than a decent bird but it isn’t the time or place to voice those thoughts. Everybody would lie and tell you how awesome the meal was.

When it comes to diplomacy, you simply do not trash the home team in their clubhouse! This is what happens when you send a politician instead of a real diplomat abroad. Maddie Notsobright, Colin Powell, Condi Rice- they all had experience in diplomacy and foreign affairs before becoming SECSTATE. Hillary got the job as a consolation prize to throw a bone to Democrats upset that she didn’t get the Presidential nomination. It shows.

highhopes on October 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 6:13 PM

OK, but have you felt any sympathy yet for that poor bastard OBGYN that has to deal with it, whatever is in there? I mean, bleach would not get that image out of your head.

MikeA on October 29, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Wow she really must have honked off the Pakistani government with her statements about them. Not good diplomacy.

dogsoldier on October 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM

I mean, bleach would not get that image out of your head.

MikeA on October 29, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Bleach doesn’t help at all, but my uncle does

My uncle Walker
Johnnie Walker

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 6:23 PM

what a _unt.

D2Boston on October 29, 2009 at 6:23 PM

“So to me, it’s like daylight and dark.”

Huh? What sort of comparison is that? I don’t think Shrilary aced her SATs.

There are more morons in this administration than you can shake a stick at.

progressoverpeace on October 29, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Hillary would not have been caught dead in this garb if it were worn out of respect to Christians.

mobydutch on October 29, 2009 at 6:26 PM

I wonder what Mr. Clinton thinks?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahhahahahHAHAHAHAHAh….(sigh)

royzer on October 29, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Hillary would not have been caught dead in this garb if it were worn out of respect to Christians.

mobydutch on October 29, 2009 at 6:26 PM

That reminds me
Has Hillary said anything about muslims slaughtering christians in Pakistan ?

macncheez on October 29, 2009 at 6:29 PM

She makes me puke. (a perfect fit for the Obama administration)

mobydutch on October 29, 2009 at 6:37 PM

“I spent my entire eight years in the Senate opposing him,” she said to a burst of applause from the audience of several hundred students.

Funny, but I intend to spend the next 3 1/2 years opposing Hillary!‘s Leftist stumblebum of a boss. Every way I can. I hope that kind of behavior still falls under the Left’s “dissent is the highest form of patriotism” claptrap.

Cicero43 on October 29, 2009 at 6:39 PM

Her and Nancy should move over there for a few years. I’m sure those two could track Osama down, ride in on a couple elephants and whack the whole lot of them.

Griz on October 29, 2009 at 6:48 PM

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