Daily Kos poll: Owens 33, Hoffman 32, Scozzafava 21
posted at 4:18 pm on October 29, 2009 by Allahpundit
Don’t be put off by the dKos label. Research 2000, their pollster, is a reputable outfit, so these numbers are probably in the ballpark of where things actually stand. Remember too that the campaigns have been whispering for the past week that internal polls show a two-man race now with Scozzafava fading. Consider this confirmation.
R2000 did miss an opportunity, though, by failing to poll Scozzafava voters on who their second choice is. That would have finally given us a sense of how things are likely to break if her supporters decide she’s a lost cause next week and force themselves to choose between Owens and Hoffman. Instead, they polled Hoffman’s supporters on that question, which was stupid given that he’s vaulted past her and thus is no longer the one playing spoiler. What’s fascinating about this election is that not only has the nominee of one of the major parties been relegated to the traditional third-party role of bleeding votes from a more popular candidate, but because Scozzafava’s essentially running in the center, between Owens and Hoffman, there’s no telling who she’s bleeding more votes from. Are supporters of the liberal Republican more inclined to break for a Republican or for a liberal? The best we can do at the moment to gauge that is to compare the number of Republicans voting for her to the number of Democrats. Behold:
34/13, which suggests (but doesn’t quite prove) that she really is pulling more from Hoffman than from Owens. No wonder InTrade currently favors the Democrat to win 50/42, with Scozzafava just a five percent shot to pull the upset. Exit question via Stuart Rothenberg: Isn’t it true that the Democrats might not be unhappy to see Hoffman win this given the encouragement it would provide to third-party conservative challengers next year? And, conversely, that the GOP might not be sad to see Owens win, knowing what a stern cautionary tale this would be for right-wing independents mulling midterm runs of their own? Maybe that’s why the RNC is propping Scozzafava up, to keep bleeding Hoffman in hopes that Owens will eke it out. This way, even if they lose the battle to the Democrats in NY-23, they’re more likely to win the war next year.
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Obviously, Hoffman could win.
I still support the locals in this deal. This really is their race and their own opinion.
I’m not too supportive of Palin’s endorsement or Gingrich’s, etiher.
They are both turning a local race into a national debate. Palin, for sure, should abhor this.
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 4:21 PM
14% undecided? ummm… this poll means nothing then.
faraway on October 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Conservatives really need to work on that 18-29 group. Close that gap. It’s always a killer.
lorien1973 on October 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM
A poll by the Daily Koz is as relevant as used toilet paper. Like most leftwing extremist groups, the truth is not what the facts are, but what they want them to be. Pathetic.
volsense on October 29, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Hey, conservatives are cool now. Preach it, brother.
faraway on October 29, 2009 at 4:23 PM
The poll isn’t “by” dKos. Research 2000 conducted it. dKos paid for it. Like I said, R2000 isn’t some hack outfit.
Allahpundit on October 29, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Republicans winning = bell weather.
Republicans losing = losing the battle not the war.
Well that didn’t take long.
The Calibur on October 29, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Double negatives makes this sentence confusing. The Dems should not take solace in a Hoffman win since this is a special case…no primary. Hoffmann will most like caution any third partiers to go through the primary system.
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Suddenly you cite a DKos poll because it supports your beliefs? Ah, the integrity.
Grow Fins on October 29, 2009 at 4:24 PM
I’ll be sure to remember this line when you trash DKos polls in future.
Grow Fins on October 29, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Hoffmans Independent numbers are great. Now if Dede would piss off, Hoffman would walk away with this thing.
portlandon on October 29, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Age old problem. I would think, though, appealing to these would not be too hard if the campaign focuses on liberty.
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 4:26 PM
That’s based on the untrue assumption that the more moderate candidate is always more electable. Which more often than not is not the case. Especially in mid-term election years like 2010 when getting your base out matters most.
A win by Hoffman would energize the GOP grassroots.
A win by Scozzafava would demoralize the GOP grassroots.
A win by Owens would mean little for either party. This is after all a district that both Obama and Gore carried comforably.
Which is why Newt, Huck & Mittens are idiots.
Norwegian on October 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Don’t use words you can’t live up to GrowFins.
portlandon on October 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Hahaha, utter stupidity and an ownage train wreck right in front of you folks.
MobileVideoEngineer on October 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Allah has posted R2000 polls in the past with approval.
Please, at least try before saying something stupid, would ya?
lorien1973 on October 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM
No, if Hoffman loses (but finishes a strong second), it will show what idiots the GOP establishment was for not backing Hoffman. And it will flood the primaries with conservatives running against incumbent RINOs. If Hoffman wins, then the GOP ‘leadership’ will have their massive incompetence laying out for the world. A REALLY GOOD outcome either way. Only if Hoffman finishes third is there a major downside to conservatives.
michaelo on October 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Hit the nail on the head. And that’s not all … once this “epiphany” hits the MSM – you will see the characterization of Palin’s press do a 180 degree shift. I’ve been predicting this for quite awhile.
Why? Because Palin is seen (or will be seen) as the only candidate who can start a third party. She will, therefore, be encouraged with glowing press soon.
Wait and see. ;)
My message to the Ayatollahs is that … a storm is coming. You can give us the GOP now – or you can sink with it on your own.
Your choice.
HondaV65 on October 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Then it’s too bad that the locals didn’t get their choice. Because, you see, they didn’t vote for Scozzafava. The Chairman of the local party rammed her through against the votes because she was a friend.
Enoxo on October 29, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Is it wrong that my first thought was something along the lines of, “If the KOS numbers look like this, imagine what the real numbers are like!”
Dark Eden on October 29, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Yeah. It stuns me that an age group who is growing with open source everything, customizable everything votes for a party that wants to control their choices in life.
lorien1973 on October 29, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Well, we know who won’t be representing NY-23 now, don’t we?
fiatboomer on October 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Undecideds tend to break for the incumbent, or the safer candidate, at the end. If that trend holds, I don’t think Hoffman’s going to get much of the undecided vote because it’s somewhat radical to vote for a third party candidate.
This could be a Owens victory.
Jimbo3 on October 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM
No, because it’s in the ballpark with the Club for Growth and Minuteman polls, which are partisan outfits themselves. When you’ve got left and right both claiming it’s a tight race with Owens and Hoffman in the low 30s, then it probably is. And I also cited the InTrade measure showing Hoffman losing, which is hardly an example of me wishcasting. What’s your problem?
Allahpundit on October 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I’ve always said, if the GOP would have a huge “Free Beer” festival that started at noon on Super Tuesday we wouldn’t have that problem.
portlandon on October 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM
His problem is everything; he does nothing but complain.
Enoxo on October 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Do you understand the difference between an unscientific online straw poll and a survey conducted by a reputable research outfit?
I do.
TheUnrepentantGeek on October 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Maybe your argument would hold water if you could find instances in the past where AP had trashed R2000 polls.
Proud Rino on October 29, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Scuzza needs to withdraw for the good of the GOP (and for the Republic).
rbj on October 29, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Then you are a supporter of smokey back rooms where political kingmakers do their annointing.
Improve your research Ann – the locals didn’t get a vote on the Scozz.
HondaV65 on October 29, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Except when it comes to sexual behavior, for which there will be choice. But Uncle Sam pays the bills for everything else. Just like the Bank of Mom and Dad.
Wethal on October 29, 2009 at 4:31 PM
A win by Hoffman would energize the GOP grassroots.
A win by Scozzafava would demoralize the GOP grassroots.
A win by Owens would mean little for either party. This is after all a district that both Obama and Gore carried comforably.
Which is why Newt, Huck & Mittens are idiots.
Norwegian on October 29, 2009 at 4:27 PM
–It also has elected a Republican to the House by at least a 60% vote for the last 12+ years.
Jimbo3 on October 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM
If I had an answer for that I would be a
Republican Strategistwrite a book and be rich.WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM
what are you talking about? Only Allah likes Dkos polls.
Don’t throw that stawman around in here!
HondaV65 on October 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM
its partially the GOP not doing a good job hammering that and partially that they’ve been indoctrinated to be liberal. And even then, the best you can hope for is them to Log Cabin Republicans
Doctor Zhivago on October 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Since Allah posted this; Hoffman has jumped to a 47.5% chance of winning on InTrade.
Norwegian on October 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Wow, that’s pretty bad when even someone like Proud Rino is dissing you.
I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Grow Fins right now. It’s not a personal diss to you Proud Rino, it’s just you don’t usually agree with anything here, but you have integrity to see the mistake of Grow Fins argument.
MobileVideoEngineer on October 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM
The Ayatollahs are booked in first class on the Titanic. They get to the lifeboats first. The “Unsinkable” Sarah’s going to tip their boats over and give those seats to the conservatives they tried to lock in the bottom of the ship.
portlandon on October 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM
The GOP is making a dangerous gamble if they are propping up Scozza-whatsit to discourage third-party candidates, because if they keep putting RINOs up for elections, they’re not getting a dime from me.
evergreen on October 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Uh oh. That’s dangerously close to Beck’s line of thinking about losing to “teach” lessons for later “victories”. In fact it’d be worse, for the RNC would be wasting money to prove that point.
Weight of Glory on October 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM
AnninCA @4:21 PM
Your perception of reality is encouraging. Of course the local race is becoming as national debate. Since the differences between the party candidates are non-existent the lines are being drawn on liberal vs conservative views rather that along party lines. To keep electing candidates who refuse to work in the best interests of the American people is asinine. This is merely a tiny step in making the conservative view visible on even the smallest stage. What we need to do is trade the RINOS for the BlueDogs and start all over. You will never get rid of the smell if you keep electing the same pieces of garbage for any reason.
volsense on October 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I love watching Blue on Blue Carnage.
portlandon on October 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I’m perfectly happy with Owens winning this thing and Hoffman coming in second. You can’t call the second place guy a “spoiler” and it would highlight the fact that the GOP Ayatollahs made a bad choice with “The Scozz”.
Next year – there will be a primary – the voters will get to choose – and a conservative Republican will be nominated.
And all will be well.
But I think right now we can declare victory – we won’t be paying to keep this RINO in office next year.
HondaV65 on October 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM
…except it’s not DKos doing the polling. Hence the integrity, of which you have none.
MadisonConservative on October 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Wow, Grow Fins are even more pathetic than ususal.
Norwegian on October 29, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I still support the locals in this deal. This really is their race and their own opinion.
I’m not too supportive of Palin’s endorsement or Gingrich’s, etiher.
They are both turning a local race into a national debate. Palin, for sure, should abhor this.
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Then you are a supporter of smokey back rooms where political kingmakers do their annointing.
Improve your research Ann – the locals didn’t get a vote on the Scozz.
HondaV65 on October 29, 2009 at 4:31 PM
–When does anyone ever get to vote on candidates? Generally only in the primaries or the general election. It’s actualy somewhat unusual to have a law that requires a mid-term vote on the replacement for someone who has died or resigned. Many times the governor hand picks the replacement.
Jimbo3 on October 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Dude, did you leave your computer unattended? ;-)
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Why would a Owens win serve as a cautionary tale for others considering third-party runs? I would think that anyone considering bucking the party to run would be estatic as long as they beat the GOP candidate. Once the GOP candidate falls into 3rd place, they become the awful spoiler who kept conservatives from a victory.
Even if Hoffman loses, he can rightfully claim that he would have won if the GOP machine hadn’t spent so much time and money siphoning votes from him for their liberal candidate.
John9400 on October 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM
If Hoffman wins under the Conservative Party label…how long before others start adopting it?
MadisonConservative on October 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Kind of like Obama? Don’t kid yourself. These elections have national import.
evergreen on October 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Scozzapalooza’s voters aren’t going to go to Owens. Liberals don’t support Republican liberals when there are Democrat liberals available.
Scozza’s voters weren’t with her because she’s a liberal; they were planning to hold their noses and vote for her because she’s the Republican.
I hope.
Kensington on October 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
It’s true – the DKos poll is in line with Club for Growth, Minuteman polls as well as the “word on the ground” from National Review.
I’m praying hard that the RNC makes a back room deal with Sc-u-zo and she backs out this weekend. She has no chance of winning, a deal for her is a net gain on this.
How scary would the RNC look then? A united party that contains a lot of angry, motivated voters.
Stephanie on October 29, 2009 at 4:38 PM
No. Hoffmann won’t even do it.
I would not mind see people running in primaries as “Conservative-Republican”. Sort of a party within a party.
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Which means that even if Owens wins the GOP will likely pick it back up next year.
This has everything to do with the GOP and very little to do with the DNC or President Obama. Which explains why the GOP would be wasting money bashing the conservative guy in the race.
BadgerHawk on October 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Grassroots should take up collection and pay her off now. You know a pay for play in reverse, pay for not playing.
nondhimmie on October 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Regardless of how this works out, the message to the Republicans has been sent. RINO’s fly like pigs do.
beatcanvas on October 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM
The local party didn’t even get their choice candidate. Scozzafava got the least votes, but was still rammed through by the Chairman who is her friend.
Enoxo on October 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM
The Beltway Elite are worried. The “reach across the aisle, Democrat-lite” era of the GOP is on life support. If Hoffman wins, the Elite will be in full blown hissy fit mode.
kingsjester on October 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Quick, someone archive this! It may not happen again.
fiatboomer on October 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM
That GOP favors party over principles and deserves to spend more time in the political wilderness or just go away for good.
alliebobbitt on October 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM
If Hoffman wins big and Scozzafava comes in a distant third, the RINOS might get the message, but probably not. When you’ve strayed from your convictions, returning is not so easy. Kinda like the lemmings and the cliff. Once airborne, the only way is down.
volsense on October 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM
He’d hopefully come back under the (R) fold, but I’m a little jittery about that also.
I’m not a fans of the Republicans in general, but I certainly need them strong enough to wipe out the Dems next year.
BadgerHawk on October 29, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Unless there are “plants” out there, I don’t think there will be a rash of third party candidates. Like everyone has been saying, this is a special case. Now there may be a lot more primaries, which is a thing.
MobileVideoEngineer on October 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Every Congressional race is a national race. It’s not just about the locals.
Nosferightu on October 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Which is why Obama’s former campaign managers are now running Corzine’s campaign.
Wethal on October 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM
–It also has elected a Republican to the House by at least a 60% vote for the last 12+ years.
Jimbo3 on October 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Which means that even if Owens wins the GOP will likely pick it back up next year.
This has everything to do with the GOP and very little to do with the DNC or President Obama. Which explains why the GOP would be wasting money bashing the conservative guy in the race.
BadgerHawk on October 29, 2009 at 4:40 PM
–I think it will be back in the GOP’s hands next year in any event, barring some sort of disaster.
Jimbo3 on October 29, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Ann, you OBVIOUSLY haven’t seen THIS:
Enough said?
One can argue that the huge endorsement by Palin caused everyone else to do it, because the “cool kid” was doing it, but it’s obvious that the local GOP is backing Hoffman.
gary4205 on October 29, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Win what war? Destroying America?
chicagojedi on October 29, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Kos is as messed up as a football touchdown during a grade school spelling bee. Why are the opinions there rating notice on HA?
Liam on October 29, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Okay now I’m starting to worry. I want Hoffman to win. And I guess I was thinking as soon as the district realized how liberal Dede was they naturally would vote for the Conservative.
I really want Obama to be humiliated on Tuesday!
But it can’t be any worse than election day last November so I suppose I’ll live.
petunia on October 29, 2009 at 4:44 PM
This stupid cow. By splitting the vote, the independent is likely to lose.
MaiDee on October 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
We want him under the GOP tent. The more conservatives in the tent, the more uneasy, and hopefully quiet, the people that accept federal government solutions will be. The GOP is the vehicle for conservatism until Grover Cleveland takes over the Democrat party again.
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I agree. Regardless of whether Owens or Hoffman wins, Scuzzy-flavor will almost assuredly finish a distant third. The GOP can win back this district next fall, I have no doubt about that. But only if they learn a valuable lesson: In a conservative district, NOMINATE A DAGGUM CONSERVATIVE!!!
Doughboy on October 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
You know what I find funny is that it doesn’t appear to have occurred to Allah that if Hoffman wins, it might encourage other third-party challengers that might…WIN.
outOfElement on October 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Who are you arguing with? Not me obviously. I made a statement that, in this instance – the voters didn’t get a say in nominating the Scozz. That is true.
That it’s not uncommon isn’t even a point. The GOP leaders (in their smoky back room) – picked the wrong candidate for this district. That is not debatable. She is running a distant third. She is a third party candidate running in a primary party.
The job was botched by the GOP. There’s not even a scintilla of an argument otherwise.
HondaV65 on October 29, 2009 at 4:46 PM
I like your thinking there….
cmsinaz on October 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I did not realize that this was a one year term. I should have but I didn’t. Then this makes it a perfect demonstration of conservative angst over liberal Republicans!
petunia on October 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM
To me, it sounds like the exact opposite. This district has been true red for over a century. John McHugh was a staunch conservative and especially as a social conservative, I believe the “fire breathing and bomb throwing kind” was how one blogger put it. The GOP didn’t need to run a squish and is ignoring the people who live in the district, as well as committing suicide for no good reason. There are two Democrats in this election after the Democrats took away a perfectly good conservative. The whole thing stinks of corruption.
alliebobbitt on October 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Yes and Yes. This race reflects little to nothing on Obama regardless who wins. This reflects on the GOP and the mood of its voters.
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Did you run out of children to molest?
jdkchem on October 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I look at it this way. The GOP is MY house and the Ayatollahs took it over and kicked ME out. Now they’re holding parties in my house and their inviting my next door drug smoking neighbors in to party with them.
I built that house. I paid for that house.
If I can’t get the house back – I’ll burn the damned thing down!
HondaV65 on October 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Thank you for saying this. I’ve mentioned it in other posts about this race and no one else acknowledges it.
Monica on October 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM
“Ballpark” is a meaningless term. What is the margin of error? I don’t see it mentioned anywhere in this post.
According to this poll, Hoffman and Scozzie are within a point of each other, so it really doesn’t tell us much.
UltimateBob on October 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I don’t know how anyone with a just a bit of political knowledge could think that Hoffman coming in 2nd is going to be good for the RNC or NRCC. The only way the conservatives don’t win in this one is if DeDe somehow beats Hoffman. Otherwise this is a complete failure by the Republican party machine locally and nationally. It’s assinine to even hint this may help the party if Hoffman comes in second.
jmell7 on October 29, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Just for future reference, InTrade markets are worthless for most predictions.
progressoverpeace on October 29, 2009 at 4:51 PM
When is day of their election?
upinak on October 29, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Bad form. Don’t go there.
portlandon on October 29, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Just remeber that Hoffman is/was a Republican and was forced into running as an Independent because of the RINO leadership.
I think that come primary season he would run as a Republican. I don’t see anything in this that any one suggests forming a third party.
(I am not against that idea, however. But I’m not politically savvy enough to know if it’s a good or bad idea, though.)
davidk on October 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Hoffman has said he is a lifelong Republican. He’ll caucus with the Republicans. This is simply a case of seeing a flake running, someone who is a disaster, and him getting off the couch, and doing something!
He has said this is a battle for the soul of the GOP.
gary4205 on October 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Be sure to note where the independents are breaking, that’s where the real story is.
11% GOP, 47% Conservative, 28% Democrat
Independents are conservatives who have given up on the GOP.
RINOs are losers they always will be. It’s time to take back the party.
jhffmn on October 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Excellent point! Elections are won or lost with Independents, and they don’t seem to be afraid of his Conservative, non-Republican label. There are more Republicans voting merely for the R label behind Scozzafava than Independents.
Rothenberg is partially right, that if Hoffman wins, it could encourage far-right challengers to run third-party if the Republican isn’t “conservative” enough. Such a strategy can work for this relatively conservative district, where a RINO like Scozzafava isn’t needed, and a strong conservative like Hoffman can win. For other, more “purple” districts currently represented by Blue Dog Democrats, a third-party challenge from the Right would only keep the Blue Dogs in office. The strategy for Conservatives needs to be adapted to each district–try to primary RINO’s out in solid conservative districts, but back a “moderate” Republican in a bluish-purple district.
Steve Z on October 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM
And they likely feel the same way also, which is why the GOP is more concerned with knocking Hoffman off than having a conservative win the race.
I agree. Take the party back, from the inside. I’m just a little jittery that Hoffman won’t come back under the tent, and that could encourage others to fight the GOP from the outside.
BadgerHawk on October 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM
–When does anyone ever get to vote on candidates? Generally only in the primaries or the general election. It’s actualy somewhat unusual to have a law that requires a mid-term vote on the replacement for someone who has died or resigned. Many times the governor hand picks the replacement.
Jimbo3 on October 29, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Who are you arguing with? Not me obviously. I made a statement that, in this instance – the voters didn’t get a say in nominating the Scozz. That is true.
That it’s not uncommon isn’t even a point. The GOP leaders (in their smoky back room) – picked the wrong candidate for this district. That is not debatable. She is running a distant third. She is a third party candidate running in a primary party.
The job was botched by the GOP. There’s not even a scintilla of an argument otherwise.
HondaV65 on October 29, 2009 at 4:46 PM
–Honda, my point was that the locals overall almost never get a vote on who’s nominated. It’s always a group of people from the party who pick the nominee. So it’s always smoky backroom deals.
Jimbo3 on October 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM
It’s a hard fight. It’s very difficult to get them to comprehend that if the Gov’t is willing to give them stuff for free, it’s only because it increases Gov’t power. They need to be beaten over the head with Gerald Ford:
“A government big enough to give us everything we want is a government big enough to take from us everything we have.”
And it’s hard because while some are just clueless, most are either still in or haven’t gotten very far out of the liberal indoctrination system.
We need to take back our schools, then we’ll start winning 18-29
apollyonbob on October 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM
If the RNC really cared about winning elections, they would pressure Scozzafava to bow out and urge supporters to back Hoffman.
But the RNC wants to stick their thumb in the eyes of conservatives to maintain their power base and “moderate” philosophy. Its about power and control, not the election for the RNC.
Opportunity Costs on October 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I hope Hoffman wins with Scuzzy staying in… I think that would demostrate that conservatism won when all three were an option.
CCRWM on October 29, 2009 at 4:57 PM
Agreed, but other candidates are not forbidden to run…they cannot be. The big money donors have cleared a candidate by the time nomination petitions are submitted.
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 4:58 PM
apolly… Jefferson said that.
CCRWM on October 29, 2009 at 4:59 PM
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