Another bailout for GM?
posted at 1:36 pm on October 29, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Maybe three’s the charm? After two bailouts and a politicized bankruptcy that ended up being a big payoff to the United Auto Workers, the credit arm of General Motors wants even more taxpayer money. Why? Because, silly geese, GMAC is just too big to fail:
It might seem like a lot of cash for one supersize clunker, a good-money-after-bad attempt to jump-start a broken-down giant of Detroit.
But as the Obama administration contemplates a third rescue of GMAC, the onetime finance arm of General Motors, federal officials, automotive executives and analysts all say the company is — just like the biggest Wall Street firms — too big to fail.
Despite two taxpayer-financed bailouts, GMAC is still struggling, even as its two biggest customers, General Motors and Chrysler, have put bankruptcy behind them.
While the collapse of GMAC probably would not send shock waves through the financial system the way the failure of a giant bank would, it would nonetheless deal a devastating blow to the auto industry, its suppliers and employees.
How much more does GM want to rescue its loan business? Another $5.6 billion, on top of the $12.5 billion it has already sucked out of the Treasury in its other welfare checks. GM apparently wants to sell the government even more of its business in exchange for the cash. At the moment, the government holds 35% of GM; after this “sale”, it would own a majority stake in the automaker.
At least there’s one piece of good news — the UAW won’t need Card Check after all. If the federal government owns a majority stake, then every negotiation will be federally arbitrated, right?
Why would the government even consider a third bailout for GM? In part, the thinking is that they have to rescue the funds already committed:
Why rescue GMAC again? The federal government has committed more than $60 billion to prop up G.M. and Chrysler, and letting GMAC fail, the thinking goes, would threaten a recovery in the broader car industry.
“We are in too deep for us to sensibly back out now,” said Douglas Elliott, a former investment banker who is now a fellow at the Brookings Institution. “We will probably lose less money by putting in more now.”
This is the kind of thinking most often seen at craps tables and bookie joints. Betting on the Tennessee Titans will eventually pay off, and besides, bettors have gotten in too deep to stop now. The Titans have to win sometime, don’t they? The only real difference is that one gets better odds on craps, and for that matter, even the Tennessee Titans.
The best policy would be to let GM fail, which is what the government should have done in the bankruptcy. Instead, it put a wet-behind-the-ears campaign worker in charge of interfering with senior creditor rights to hand the UAW a sweetheart deal. Now we’re just throwing nonexistent money after crushing debt, all in the service of a company that hasn’t performed well in years. This is what happens when government puts its money on bad teams in a sport they have no business playing in the first place.










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Said by rapists and governments.
But I repeat myself.
lorien1973 on October 29, 2009 at 1:39 PM
It’s time for GMAC to go if they can’t make it without more government money.
Mason on October 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
No more bailouts. Let them file for bankruptcy, which they should have done in the first place.
Dave R. on October 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Can’t wait for Congressional investigations in 2011 into how the UAW ended up owning 17% of GM.
Not to mention the politically motivated hiring and firing, and closing of dealerships in red states.
faraway on October 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I hope Gub’mint motors fails.
OmahaConservative on October 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Fools and their money are soon parted.
We Americans seem to be the fools here lately.
Grandma’s Motorcoach should be allowed to belly-up, UAW and all.
Thanks for the hope and change, Ojesus.
hillbillyjim on October 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
WTF? I will never figure out this liberal math.
farright on October 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Absolutely. Sadly, GM has nine lives. The smart ones are in charge!
conservative pilgrim on October 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Not to worry. Obama just signed a big Defense bill. I’m sure they can funnel some money out of that bill.
PappaMac on October 29, 2009 at 1:44 PM
This will ensure robust GDP growth in the 4th quarter, or something.
BadgerHawk on October 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Should be “then”.
Patriot Vet on October 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM
You’ll come for the bailout, you’ll stay for the extortion and racketeering!
LibTired on October 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Not to worry. The Defense bill that Obama just signed has more than enough money to missappropriate to GMAC. I’m sure the troops won’t mind.
PappaMac on October 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM
This is Barry in the driver’s seat, pedal to the metal, in Neutral.
Christien on October 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Another bailout? Sure, why not? GM has turned into a gigantic scam anyway. Why? You didn’t think they were going to make money selling trucks, did you?
Aitch748 on October 29, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Just give the crackhead ONE more hit.
That’s all, then he’ll stop.
And pay us back.
omnipotent on October 29, 2009 at 1:48 PM
NO !!!
NO more money for GM or unions.
NO MORE.
darwin on October 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM
At least the homos are FINALLY safe.
omnipotent on October 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Well said, my friend.
Patrick S on October 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Liquidate the company and give taxpayers their money back.
darwin on October 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM
What’s this “We” crap?
We?
Put in your own damn money if you think this is such a great idea. Invest in GMC stock.
Leave my money alone.
Don’t hold a gun to my head and tell me that “we” are investing.
PackerBronco on October 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Don’t buy anything from GM. They’re too big to fail, but America isn’t.
Christien on October 29, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Heck yeah, because that’s always worked so well in the past.
You nailed it, omnipotent.
hillbillyjim on October 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM
The FDIC is also guaranteeing over $7 billion in GMAC debt offerings this year.
rw on October 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Just one more cigarette then I’ll quit. Dump that money pit and those slimy unions now and stop wasting the people’s money.
rplat on October 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Going all in while holding a 2 of clubs and 7 of aces.
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM
The good folks need to know that the FDIC barely has a pot to
pisswee-wee in.hillbillyjim on October 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Obama and his Marxist comrades must be thoroughly discredited in order to reverse this craziness and to put us on a growth path.
faraway on October 29, 2009 at 1:53 PM
It’s only too big to fail because Obama and his cronies owe the unions.
spmat on October 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM
That’s even worse than having two real cards!
BadgerHawk on October 29, 2009 at 1:54 PM
The Party of Bailouts repeats the same old decisions, expecting different results. Update those resumes, Congressmen.
OhioCoastie on October 29, 2009 at 1:55 PM
GM is a government jobs program, nothing more.
booter on October 29, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Unfreakin’ believable.
highhopes on October 29, 2009 at 1:58 PM
NO MORE BAILOUTS
DrRansom on October 29, 2009 at 1:58 PM
This guy must play the slot machines alot!
Johnnyreb on October 29, 2009 at 1:59 PM
What do they call it when you do the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome?
milwife88 on October 29, 2009 at 1:59 PM
If GM is too big to fail, then why is it failing?
dglenn on October 29, 2009 at 2:01 PM
The Obama Administration?
Knucklehead on October 29, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Whew. Just imagine how this could turn out if it were decided that the government could require citizens to purchase a specific product or fine us if we don’t. Wait, what? Oh, nevermind.
rogerb on October 29, 2009 at 2:02 PM
If GM is too big to fail, then why is it failing?
dglenn on October 29, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Silly rabbit, common sense doesn’t apply here. :)
milwife88 on October 29, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Better grab that hot Camaro now, before it goes the way of the El Camino, Saturn Sky or Olds Aurora.
leftnomore on October 29, 2009 at 2:03 PM
I know there’s another term for it, but I’m going with “excruciatingly stupid.”
hillbillyjim on October 29, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Kind of like transferring all of your credit card balances to a new card and then recharging up all of the original ones.
Let it fail. It will eventually. I’ve been a Chevy girl my whole life. I’ll never buy another one. Never thought I would walk onto a Ford lot, but the next vehicle we purchase will be from a Ford dealer, and I will celebrate the purchase!
UnderstandingisPower on October 29, 2009 at 2:04 PM
GM has been a benefits program that WAS funded by car sales, but now it’s just funded by taxpayers.
leftnomore on October 29, 2009 at 2:04 PM
This is just another example of the brainless spending that’s propping up Obama’s “recovery.”
Still, I thought we’d passed the strangely compulsive addiction to throwing money at the problem. Too optimistic, apparently.
Black Yoshi on October 29, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Why do we need more financial bailouts? The recession is over.
The American people will soon have jobs, cheap and plentiful credit, and two unicorns in every gilded stable.
Mike Honcho on October 29, 2009 at 2:04 PM
I believe the correct answer is: INSANITY.
UnderstandingisPower on October 29, 2009 at 2:04 PM
QFT.
Black Yoshi on October 29, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I guess GM was leaving a bit off of their new slogan:
“May the best car win… unless its backed by Obama then screw you guys, we can do what we want.”
smfoushee on October 29, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Letting GM fail would be admitting just one of the screwups, foul ups, fiascos and basic incompetent actions that have characterized what’s laughingly referred to as the Obama “administration”, since Jan 20.
Stupid, arrogant, ignorant a-holes don’t get that way by admitting their idiot mistakes.
Expect the clowns in the White House to press on.
NoDonkey on October 29, 2009 at 2:06 PM
+1
For once I would like to see one of our resident trolls on these types of threads and say this sucks. Just once!!
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Well by that brilliant logic, the bailouts will never end. We’ll never be willing to cut our losses and move on.
Doughboy on October 29, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Follow me on this. GM has that “60 day” guarantee on their cars right? So how many new cars can you get without ever having to make a payment?
milwife88 on October 29, 2009 at 2:09 PM
but on a positive note…..Obama can claim some more jobs saved/created without the stimulus!!!!!
Just like Mortimer and Randolph in Trading Places…”Sell, Sell, Sell!!!!!”
search4truth on October 29, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Maybe when all of the spending effects their pocketbooks and family.
yoda on October 29, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Too bad we didn’t bail out American Moters. We could still be driving Pacers and Gremlins.
RadClown on October 29, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Super!
jaime on October 29, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Nobody’s buying cars anymore the C4C took care of that and saved us. So what’s another bailout going to bring us? I bet we have another C4C sometime in the near future but this time it will be for GM cars only, you will have to trade in a Ford, Honda, Toyota, or Mitsubishi in. The government will not let GM fail. I just can’t see it happening.
Brat4life on October 29, 2009 at 2:21 PM
GM is a welfare program disguised as economic activity.
If we collectively refuse to purchase these welfare mobiles, it will fail.
jhffmn on October 29, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Obama like Bush will not be the president to oversee the liquidation of GM. IF GM is to be liquidated it will only be after Obama losses in 2012. The spigots are on and they will stay on.
Theworldisnotenough on October 29, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Let George (Soros) pay for it. We can’t afford it anymore.
mkm19602000 on October 29, 2009 at 2:25 PM
The Democrat Party platform?
John Deaux on October 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Syndacylism
daesleeper on October 29, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Why not? If could get a few billion bucks more from my Uncle, I would too!
barnone on October 29, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Shoot, I can solve this with one bill.
Just mandate that every family in the U.S. must buy a GM vehicle in the next year; or pay a fine for not doing so.
As we’ve learned from the Health Care debate; this is entirely legal, Constitutional, and appropriate behavior and there is no dissent or anyone questioning if the Government has this power. It would be silly to question this action, and its perfectly reasonable… right?
No need to borrow money and increase the debt, just mandate enough sales to keep GM profitable. Problem solved.
gekkobear on October 29, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I think that’s the point. The Obama administration really doesn’t care about GM, but there’s no way they’ll let the UAW take the fall. Taxpayer subsidies forever to a private union’s retirement accounts.
And how does Ford stay competitive? Whenever they start winning the marketing race, it’s time for another bailout to GM and Chrysler so they won’t lose out.
jwolf on October 29, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Think about it…this is like giving money to yourself.
WashJeff on October 29, 2009 at 2:35 PM
I readily admit that I don’t understand economic complexities beyond a certain level. If this makes any sense, the reason is way over my head.
This reminds me of a close relative, who had good income for years, but after a personal disaster, began coming to us for financial help repeatedly. We helped, on the theory that he would get back on his feet.
But he didn’t. After about 12 years, and really pretty extreme efforts to help him, we decided perhaps we were enabling, and stopped ‘helping’. He continued downhill, and committed suicide about a year later. It was tragic.
The Dems are too closely related to the GM situation to see the trajectory. Nobody but GM can pull themselves out, and it just may not happen. And we already have the tragedy of private business being nationalized in our country. Mistake all the way around.
jodetoad on October 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Wow! Those union workers sure go thru the money fast, to fund their premium health care, and retirements. *sigh*
NO MORE BAIL OUTS!!!
capejasmine on October 29, 2009 at 2:41 PM
all you or I can do is NEVER EVER BUY A GM CAR, PRODUCT OR FINANCING….
We can’t recall Barry Hussein but we CAN dictate the Free Market Economy (while it is still free)
SDarchitect on October 29, 2009 at 2:46 PM
All Ford here, and it’ll stay that way.
smfoushee on October 29, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Bail ‘em out, doggone it!
I don’t care if it takes $100 billion of my grandkids’ money.
I still have about 4 years left on my GMAC warranty for my Chevy (bought before it became Government Motors….)
And gimme some free health care, too, while I’m pigging out at the federal trough!!!!
notropis on October 29, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Cancelled my GM Credit cards (all paid off) a couple of months ago… Feeling good! Dave Ramsey would be proud.
I would NEVER buy from a company that was taking tax money if I can help it… now about that health care bill…
bbordwell on October 29, 2009 at 2:58 PM
There’s no hiding it. Why are these guy’s so damn stupid???
FontanaConservative on October 29, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Sorry for being blunt.
FontanaConservative on October 29, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Forcing survival and dominance of the least fit.
Somehow it makes sense nowadays…
MarkT on October 29, 2009 at 3:01 PM
It’s a shame really. My favorite car is a Corvette :(
FontanaConservative on October 29, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Let them fail. It will serve the UAW right. Obama is simply stealing money from the treasury to pay the union to do less for more.
saiga on October 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Didya have to use the Titans as an example?
oof. Just painful.
Tman on October 29, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Johan Klaus on October 29, 2009 at 3:14 PM
This is just unbelievable. GMAC debt has been junk-rated since well before the mortgage meltdown happened, and it’s been sub-junk (if that is possible, LOL) since. This is financial sleight-of-hand in the extreme to allow GMAC to issue bonds that re AAA-rated. And it will probably instantly destroy what is left of the value of the existing junk-rated GMAC debt, because nobody in their right mind would buy it now when they can buy a AAA-rated government-backed bond! What the hell!!??!!!
My mom has a mess of GMAC bonds and I fear this is going to make them all worthless.
rockmom on October 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM
And when the hell does Al DeMolina or better yet, Stephen Feinberg (the CEO of Cerberus Capital, which is the majority owner of GMAC) lose his job??? How does Ken Lewis end up fired when Bank of America is solvent and poised to repay its TARP, while Feinberg and co. get of scot-free as they continue to run up billions in losses at GMAC???
My GOD, this makes me angry.
rockmom on October 29, 2009 at 3:21 PM
ugh this just ruined my day! grrrr
becki51758 on October 29, 2009 at 3:25 PM
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However, sending more troops into Iraq as part of the surge was a situation where we made an additional investment to avoid loss of what we had invested previously. That seemed to work. So it’s possible that it could make sense with GMAC.
DakotaBoy on October 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM
The Pontiac line will no longer be produced. Saturn will go out of business.
This isn’t a bailout for the auto maker. It’s payoff to the unions. A bribe to keep the voters in line.
madmonkphotog on October 29, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Every time I turn around they’re throwing another few billion at the UAW…er, I mean, the car companies!
When toting it all up, don’t forget the Delphi bailout which left taxpayers holding the bag for all their overly generous pensions.
And then there’s that sneaky little provision in all the health care bills that will make taxpayers pay for health care for auto workers who retire in their 50′s with generous pensions we’re already paying!
jeanneb on October 29, 2009 at 3:31 PM
(I should’ve clarified: the Delphi bailout required cancelling GM’s contracted obligation to pay those pensions.)
jeanneb on October 29, 2009 at 3:33 PM
This is pure socialism.
The market does not want their product at an appropriate price point to generate a profit, so they are making a loss. Letting the govt. bail them out was a terrible mistake for their customer proposition, they will have lost a lot of sales over that alone.
Let it fail. Sometimes businesses fail – it is a fact of life in free markets.
People should be revolting in the streets that Obummer is using taxpayer money to pay off the failures that ran this business into the ground. Ironic isn’t it – he’ll go after some business’s throats (Wall Street), then pay for other businesses with no redeemable qualities (GM/Chrysler) to continue to dig themselves into an ever deeper hole.
Anders on October 29, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Highly unlikely. The US Military machine is the finest in the world. A tweak here or there was all thas was required.
GM is a hopeless basket case and is almost certainly unredeemable without huge root-and-branch reform, which Brock and co are politically unwilling to consider.
No offense but that analogy of yours sucked the big one.
Anders on October 29, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Not really. In Iraq we had a winning operation – sweeps of jihadis– and we increased the rate and number of transactions.
GMAC loses money every day. We’re just shoveling faster.
Chris_Balsz on October 29, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Isn’t it still true that with GM’s labor contracts, they lose money on each sale? Unless prices increase a heck of a lot?
jwolf on October 29, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Let them go out of business for once and for all. For Gods Sake what is wrong with this damn country. I know the president and the congress. Let them all fail.
bluegrass on October 29, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I have talked to an awful lot of people who, like me, has said that they have bought their last GM or Chrysler auto. Let them fail!
Star20 on October 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM
I hope Obama makes the GMAC
BailoutHandout announcement in Detroit! “Obama money” “It’s from his stash”… (as seen on Glenn Beck)TN Mom on October 29, 2009 at 4:44 PM
One thing to keep in mind is that GMAC is not the same as GM. This finance company does not just provide financing to potential GM and Chrysler customers. It also provides inventory financing to a huge percentage of the dealers. If GMAC goes down quickly, many dealers who otherwise might be able to survive will get sucked down too.
I’d rather have private investment provide what GMAC needs, but given what the government has done to private creditors so far, who’d be stupid enough to get involved?
Whether another bailout for GMAC will be worthwhile is questionable, but it might turn out slightly better for taxpayers at the end of the day. Back in the 1980s Chrysler paid back its loan. Recently some of the banks have paid back TARP money. Maybe it could happen for GMAC.
DakotaBoy on October 29, 2009 at 4:47 PM
How much will it cost the FDIC if GMAC goes under, after all they’re a member through Ally Bank. Personally I’m in the let them collapse camp.
SaintGeorgeGentile on October 29, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Good money after bad.
This will not be quick, we will not enjoy it.
jukin on October 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Where are the trolls? Oh right, they don’t have the moral courage to come on here and denounce the failure of Obama’s socialism.
elduende on October 29, 2009 at 5:22 PM
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