The next GOP civil war: Cheney backing Hutchison over Rick Perry
posted at 6:05 pm on October 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
You know what this means, don’t you? Dick Cheney on one side — and Sarahcuda on the other. For grassroots conservatives, this is like watching a knife fight between Reagan and Thatcher.
Which one’s the RINO here?
Former Vice President Dick Cheney will join Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) on the campaign trail in her bid to unseat incumbent Gov. Rick Perry (R-Texas).
The Hutchison campaign told the Austin American-Statesman Cheney would appear at a fundraiser next month to endorse Hutchison…
Perry has done much to appeal to conservatives in his own right. In March, Perry rejected federal stimulus funds directed toward unemployment claims, saying they had too many strings attached.
There’s only one way to decide who the truest “true conservative” is: Liz Cheney will have to play tiebreaker. Meanwhile, on the civil war’s northern front, you’ll be unsurprised yet nonetheless disappointed to know that the RNC chairman is backing the party’s nominee. To salve the wound, enjoy this clever takedown of Scozzafava by some of her, ahem, “supporters” — with one word of caution. If I’m right that most voters left in Team Dede’s camp are centrist or even slightly liberal and now have to decide between Hoffman and the Democrat, this could backfire big time.
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Perry is a politician, sways with the wind, er, vote.
Talked tough on illegal immigration and Texas (my state) is overrun with illegal ALIENS. They continue to flock here as businesses hire them for slave wages and leaving Texans in the bread line.
Both candidates suck, and if you only just now realize what a RINO Cheney is, what were you thinking, the way the Bush presidency went, with a RINO like Bush’s COS leading him around by the RINO nose?
klickink.wordpress.com on October 28, 2009 at 6:58 PM
That’s pretty much the gist of it here. Texans believe in term limiting their governors. IIRC, before Perry, Bush was the longest serving governor in a generation. I think that is what KBH is betting her political future on.
cozmo on October 28, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Lets see…a RINO Washington Insider against a highly successful Governor of the greatest state in the nation….this is a tough one….
/ mega sarcasm off
Bleed_thelizard on October 28, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Dear twit, go and look at some polls. Kansas has been supporting GOP presidential candidate since…like ever. Even California elected a Republican governor, that means it is not a liberal state? Hell, even NJ might elect one. And that’s not a blue state?
Once again: Which is the “true conservative” state in the Union?
rightistliberal on October 28, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Why would this be so stunning?
Dick Cheney has been a GOP Ayatollah since … when? The 60′s?
Forever.
Look, Cheney was not a part of the Reagan Revolution. Reagan beat down the moderate “big government” Republicans to win the party nomination but he didn’t exterminate them. Part of his “outreach” to the Ayatollah side of the party was to picke George H.W. Bush as his running mate.
Cheney was endeared to Bush 41 – the man who called Reagan’s economic principles “Voodoo Economics”.
Why is this surprising that he’s throwing in with the Ayatollahs?
Let me make people feel better about this.
Dick Cheney’s political career is over. We all cheer him on now when socks it to Obama for not being able to go beyond the “blame Bush” mantra. In that endeavor – Dick Cheney is great. But he’s an Ayatollah – which means he not especially keen on the democratic process where Republican voters pick Republican nominees.
Dick Cheney is an elitist. He’s a nice one – but he is still an elitist.
HondaV65 on October 28, 2009 at 7:02 PM
I have my money on Palin. She can hit her intended target. Cheney? eh, not so much.
mizflame98 on October 28, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Well, as much as I like Cheney, there’s two Washington insiders doing what they always do. I won’t be voting for Kay, the career politician, the very dear friend of Ted Kennedy. She’s been there so many years and done nothing on border control and has the audacity to attack Perry on that and being in office too long? I’ll vote Perry, not enthusiastically, but will not vote for her.
By the way, Hucleberry, whatever, are you by any chance a metrosexual?
texanpride on October 28, 2009 at 7:02 PM
As a conservative Texan this hits home for me. Personally, I don’t like Perry, but he is a real conservative and Texas has done well under his watch. KBH is a Crist, McCain, Graham Republican who will do long-term damage to my beloved home. I’m voting for Perry with or without Cheney.
edgehead on October 28, 2009 at 7:02 PM
William Amos on October 28, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Listen, I can understand why someone like DeDe (and the Local GOP committee that selected her) needs to be slapped down and slapped down hard. But you cannot realistically expect Michael Steele and Pete Sessions (NRCC Chair) to support a 3rd Party candidate and avoid further damage than what is already happening.
But then, it’s all about the “No RINOS!!!” narrative, isn’t it? Who says conservatives can’t do narrative? And hey, you’ll now get that same positive press that any Republican heretic gets whenever that person crosses The Party. Which is what I suspect a lot of you have been desiring all along.
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Most Texans I know are quite happy with Perry. KBH, not so much (to put it mildly)
Dumb move by Cheney, probably more of a kind gesture to a desperation plea from KBH. I hope.
Civil war? No
A poor mark on Cheney’s conservative record? Yes
Norwegian on October 28, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Meanwhile there is Debra Medina…
http://www.medinafortexas.com/
… I guess she’s just to insidery or something… Maybe not conservative enough…
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 7:04 PM
That even made me laugh.
TheUnrepentantGeek on October 28, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Dick Cheney should take Michael Steele bird hunting.
farright on October 28, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Hey, fool. You’re the one who started this whole “true conservative” crap. (And always in quotes, mind you.)
I think your premise is meaningless and juvenile, so your question about bizarre archaic alcohol laws is vacuous.
Luckily, since everyone else here is ignoring you, you didn’t accomplish your goal of hijacking the thread.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I have reasons to love Dick “budget deficits don’t matter” Cheney, but anyone not fiscally conservative can rot as far as I am concerned.
I am no expert on either of these Texas Pols, but my understanding is neither are real fiscal conservatives so what difference does it make?
The republican party is dead to me. My ex-party has as many pure douchebags as the Dem’s do at this point.
xRos on October 28, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Wow. Love Palin, Love Cheney more, but I’m still voting for Slick Rick.
Vigilante on October 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM
My money is on Perry.
SouthernGent on October 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM
No, she doesn’t have the statewide recognition. I’ve heard her locally on the radio and like her. But a vote for her will drain from Perry. though KBH would be better than one of the dems (and I shudder to think what would happen if the CBS guys brother became TX gov), I would prefer Perry.
cozmo on October 28, 2009 at 7:10 PM
HondaV65 on October 28, 2009 at 7:02 PM
One of these days, Rush Limbaugh is going to be unable to stop various commentators and historians from reporting on the real President Reagan. In order to get business done, Reagan relied on a TX Democrat (Charles Wilson) to run Afghanistan policy vis-a-vis the USSR. Reagan also had to deal with moderate NE Republicans who make DeDe Scuzzofava look like Rick Perry.
I’m greatly looking forward to you using the RINO tag on ol’ Dutch.
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Other GOP leaders have spoken out supporting the conservative. Im suppose to give Steele a pass simply because of his job ?
Either he wants to rebuild the party or he is just a figure head. Which is it ?
William Amos on October 28, 2009 at 7:12 PM
xRos on October 28, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Care to define “real fiscal conservative?” Or, heck, care to define RINO?
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 7:13 PM
H
ROFL. Go and look around all the threads. The “true conservatives–yeah, in quotes–claim how they are all for small government, personal liberty and they are not going to tolerate RINOs anymore.
Fair enough. So I would like to see a state in the Union which has maximized liberty. Which according to the “true conservatives” has kicked out all liberals and RINOs and is the land of limited government, freedom and liberty. Obviously, that will be a Southern state since the rest of country is crazy.
Then of course I would look at their alcohol laws as a proxy for less intrusive government. But to be fair, I am giving the “true conservatives” an opportunity to tell me the state.
Turns out there is none. Or at least you can’t tell me one. How could it be otherwise? Your fathers fought to keep discriminatory laws against Blacks; your forefathers went to war because they loved slaves so much. What happened to liberty then?
You guys are hypocrites. Just like “true liberals”
rightistliberal on October 28, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Your giving Charlie Wilson too much credit. Reagan got a lot of heat from the left for going against the Russians.
And Reagan worked with moderates and liberals too that is true. But he didnt become one to get along with them.
William Amos on October 28, 2009 at 7:15 PM
I just moved to Texas in January and have been subjected to relentless Perry bashing by the local media here in San Antonio.
That seals it. My vote is for Perry.
They want to ruin Texas with the exact sort of unionization, high taxes, zero growth, boneheaded policies that have ruined the rust belt.
They have no idea what it is they are wishing for. I’ve lived in Pennsylvania, Virginia, Missouri and Maryland and Texas has them all beat. Texan have nothing to learn from the northern states.
NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM
No, she doesn’t have the state recognition, but if either Palin or Cheney want to get involved in Texas politics, I’d prefer that they actually support someone that could actually help Texas out instead of more same old same old – especially since Palin in particular likes to talk about shaking things up and breaking from the good-ole-boys club… but I guess she decided to get involved and support Perry (unless something changes…)
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Not quite. Cheney from 8 years ago was less toxic than Biden is now. Cheney right now is way below Biden in the polls.
That said, screw the polls. One of the main reasons people elected Bush in the first place was they were sick of Clinton essentially governing by poll on every issue. If we wanted that, we could just elect Rasmussen and be done with it. Or Zogby, though he’d probably be run out of office pretty quick.
RINO in Name Only on October 28, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Plus, I’d add that either Cheney or Palin could give Medina a whole bunch more recognition… Oh well…
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM
William Amos on October 28, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Both. He has no authority, as titular head of the GOP, to take a dump on one of his own party candidates, regardless of how she got selected.
And before some dumb Louisianan reminds me of what Bush 41 did to David Duke during the 1991 LA governor’s race, the situation involving DeDe Scuzzofava is nowhere near as extreme as Herr David Duke’s was.
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM
I am still a strong Cheney Fan. Thinks we can survive a Hutchinson Governship then a libtard in the House of Representatives.
hawkman on October 28, 2009 at 7:20 PM
And have Medina get the Palin treatment? I want Medina to get a couple of years in in another statewide office before I will do my part in handing her the keys to the state. There is a senate seat about to be open in Texas…though I think I have a candidate I like for that job already. Just to PO ex-Dallas mayor Kirk.
cozmo on October 28, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Well if Perry is doing a good job as Governor, then that’s all that matters. Everything else is just a sideshow.
SoulGlo on October 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Endorsement doesn’t surprise me, here in Texas. Perry may be socially conservative, but he is very much motivated politically, not principally. His decision to require that teen girls get the Gardisal vaccine in this state was not driven foremost by good science but by ties to the drug’s manufacturer. His appointees to university regents boards are selected first based on political ties and then whether they are best suited for the job. He’s been governor long enough.
Elapsed Journalist on October 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Although you are clearly just being a jackass, you do highlight a major point:
Single issue voters are even worse than RINO supporters.
uknowmorethanme on October 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Huh? My dad was from Iowa. His dad was from Nebraska. His dad was from Nebraska (Winnebago Indian.)
My forefathers may have been fighting during the Civil War, but they’d have been fighting for the “redskins.”
Anyways, you’ve devolved, as I knew you would, into prejudice and bigotry.
So that game’s over.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Perhaps. It would be encouraging to see Medina again. I guess I’m just not buying the “reformer” bit on this… At this point, I’m not sure if I like the lesser of two evils. I would probably prefer neither get involved if they’re supporting so-so pols. I can see how some people might see this as vital for “redefining/purifying” the GOP, but I guess I don’t.
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 7:26 PM
HA! That was funny.
xax on October 28, 2009 at 7:27 PM
I recently spoke to Rick Perry at a fundraiser for his campaign here in Dallas and when I was asked if I would allow my name on the endorcement list on campaign literature, I flat out asked him what he intended to do about the border. He sort of looked up and said “aahhhhh…….put more people on it.” I said, “well, that’s a start.” I don’t think he was amused by my question or answer.
mrsmwp on October 28, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Buddy, obviously that was rhetorical; I was not referring to your parents–how could I? I don’t know them. If you understood it that ways, my apologies.
South has a history of racism. So pardon me, when I don’t buy we are all for freedom rhetoric.
rightistliberal on October 28, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Well, regardless of Rick’s foibles, he’s a lot more conservative than Kay.
And, far more likely to go secession, which ultimately is the salvation of our republic.
TXUS on October 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM
However, this is a state election, and considering abortion, as true conservatives believe, is a state decision, I can respect a Texan making that call.
uknowmorethanme on October 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Personally, I’m not a roofer, and you couldn’t pay me enough to climb the ladder to one of the steep pitched roofs around here (sorry snarky tone). I agree that it’s a problem. I don’t blame Rick Perry, I blame Washington. Look at the lawsuits Farmer’s Branch had filed against them trying to implement some sort of illegal immigration control.
I was pissed at Perry when he bowed to Merck over the gardasil issue (though he did back down). I respect what he’s done to lure and keep businesses here.
I like KB, I’ll have to wait and see what kind of campaign she runs, what she’ll promise, yadda yadda yadda. And look to her voting history in the Senate. I’ve heard rumors of a cozying up to BO, but we’ll see.
Annietxgrl on October 28, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Of course not…
It’s like John McCain yanking at the Reagan Conservative Mantel and then getting upset when people actually ask him how he’ll solve problems using conservative principles… (oxymoronic?)
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I was born in New York State (Rockland County), moved to Manhattan, and then escaped my studio apartment for a home in Texas. RINOs in NY and TX are destroying the party. Does the Republican party have a death wish?
Why is Kay Bailey Hutchison, a sitting Texas Republican senator, even running against a sitting Texas Republican governor?
Hutchison should consider herself lucky to have a safe senate seat. Rick Perry is far from perfect, but she has no business challenging him. How is she any better?
Cheney is endorsing Hutchison? Perhaps there’s something here that we don’t know about. Who is George W. Bush endorsing? Surely, he has some opinion?
Texas is a red state, but I live near blue Austin. Texas is fast going purple.
Thanks for the needless fight, Rick and Kay.
barrypopik on October 28, 2009 at 7:33 PM
At the second San Antonio Tea Party, during his impassioned red meat speech, Gov. Perry lifted up his pant legs and showed off his boots that had the “Come and Take It” flag stitched on them. They were a thing of beauty.
Compare and contrast to Pro-choice Kay Bailey. This should not even be close folks.
Schweggie on October 28, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Not following the race, but Perry has looked a little slimy with this Willingham execution stuff.
YYZ on October 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Don’t blame Rick for the fight. It was she who brought it on.
TXUS on October 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM
As a Texan, I think KBH needs to keep her liberal leaning arss in DC instead of campaigning back home. Does she not realize there is a real crisis in Washington? She needs to ‘man up’ and do the right thing! This is not the time for her to follow her own selfish desires. Heck, most of her campaign stops are lucky if there are enough supporters to fill a Volkswagon Bug!
I am not fond of Perry, especially since he tried to take away our parental rights and make our daughters take Gardisil, but he is a heck of a lot better than Washington Kay!
libertylady on October 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Not a huge fan of KBH, but perhaps she’s trying to reform the Texas Republican Party (that is what she says more or less, right?) Why shouldn’t she “shake things up?”
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 7:39 PM
If you need me to define these for you are you sure you want to be posting on a political blog?
To answer your question though, no, I dont care to.
xRos on October 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Who is Dutch? Are you talking about Reagan?
He wasn’t a RINO.
No – Reagan didn’t arrest all RINO’s and line them up and have them summarily executed. He did have to work with a few – but more importantly …
He made them work for HIS ends.
Big Difference.
HondaV65 on October 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Then you haven’t followed the Willingham case.
Its not as red as it is made out to be. Hutchison took over the seat of Lloyd Benson. Bush beat Ann Richards to become governor and lets not forget LBJ was from Texas.
cozmo on October 28, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Thanks for pointing that out. Even though it’s not very encouraging, one should know what they are up against.
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Eh. Texas is doing so well economically, relative to other big states, it\’s hard for me to criticize Perry. Texas is a well-run state (comparatively), and there\’s no getting around it. Still, Perry is weak on eminent domain, and we don\’t like to have one guy in office too long here. KBH is not going to mess up the pro-business climate we have here. I don\’t care which of the two wins, and I\’m not spending money on this, because the Dems have no chance.To me, the real story is all the money that\’s being sucked into this at the expense of other more critical campaigns. Texans spend a lot of money on out-of-state campaigns, but that\’s being used up by this race between two candidates who aren\’t that different. More critical to me is the election to fill Kay Baileys seat. That could go to a Dem, and that would be a terrible, unnecessary thing.
juliesa on October 28, 2009 at 7:48 PM
OK, one last one.
Obviously you weren’t referring specifically to me, you were simply painting with a broad, prejudiced, stereotyping brush, as always. So I mentioned a counter-example, close to hand, and I’d guess that I’m far from unique.
But you brought up Kansas, and that made you think of the South, and hating Blacks and fighting to keep slavery?
Lovely chain of logic. (Or at least in keeping with all of your other illogic.)
Kansas was a Union state.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Policy-wise, Perry’s been the more conservative of the two for the past two years, based on her record in the Senate and his in Austin. But Hutchison’s been a little more consistent with who she is, and what you’re getting (basically, a Pawlenty-style Republican) if you go with her. On the other hand, with Rick, you never know…
…aside from the Trans-Texas Corridor fiasco, immediately after his last election in 2006 Perry tried to force all sixth grade girls in Texas schools to get cervical cancer vaccinations. No matter what the merits of the vaccine is, that’s big government nanny-state tactics at their worst. Even Obama hasn’t gone that far with the swine flu vaccine edict, and Perry was only forced to back down when he was taken to court over the order in 2007.
So he may have learned his lesson, or he may have just learned to say the right things in an election year to bamboozle conservative voters. For Texas Republicans, whether or not you believe Rick Perry’s statements and actions the last two years are real, or if the real Rick Perry was the one at the State Capitol in 2007 backing vaccines and eminent domain land seizures will probably determine who you vote for in March.
jon1979 on October 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM
sorry dear, you’re getting nowhere with that, Texas in the past 5 years has become much more diversified. Heck, they call Keller, TX, Kellerfornia because of all the transplant Californians. Can’t you debate an issue without throwing out the race card? Jayzus.
Annietxgrl on October 28, 2009 at 7:50 PM
I like them both but I like Perry’s record more so he’ll probably get my vote. I particularly like the way that he’s managed to attract and keep business here in Texas, which is seeing nothing like the unemployment in some of the northern states run by delusional leftists.
He’s also good entertainment when he hints that we’re going to secede – that drives the lefties completely nuts and he knows it.
The border however remains a serious issue and neither candidate is actually serious about it. El Paso is only a safe place in relation to Juarez, which is only marginally safer than Baghdad.
Anders on October 28, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Any diehard Perry fans that got upset about Obama giving a nationally televised speech to students?
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Texas was a Dem one-party state from Reconstruction until the 1980s. Perry was a Dem. We used to actually have conservative Dems. My family was Democrat too.
Now it’s a one party Repub state, but it’s turning purple because of immigration from Yankees, Californians, and Mexico. Funny how people who flee their homes because of the crappy policies they voted for like to bring those same policies here with them.
juliesa on October 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I like Kay on a personal level, but she caught the Beltway Flu, far worse than H1N1, a long time ago.
And, like you, I think it needs to be quaranteed from our borders.
TXUS on October 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM
That’s priceless. Perfectly said.
Thanks.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 7:57 PM
If I’m right that most voters left in Team Dede’s camp are centrist or even slightly liberal and now have to decide between Hoffman and the Democrat, this could backfire big time.
Why? She’s a left of center New Yorker, and so are the people whose votes you’re concerned about.
Or do you think this will convince the voters that she is to the left of Owens, and therefore they should vote for Owens?
Greg Q on October 28, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Its not that bad, I don’t think KBH has ever had a serious opponent in a senate race and am ready for some new blood there. The dems thought Kirk could take down Cornyn and that was thoroughly enjoyable. They tried a hispanic against Perry last time hoping to with the race using race as an issue, that was fun too. As things stand now, a year out, I don’t see the reps loosing either the governorship, or senate seat.
cozmo on October 28, 2009 at 7:59 PM
This is where two respectable people can disagree. No one is saying all Pubs must think alike. But, as for whether the Hoffman thing could backfire, I don’t see how. If the RINO wins that could backfire for Newt. Dede could just as easily vote with the Dems on absolutely everything. I mean, seriously,,, how much more likely is it for her to go the extra few feet and vote with the Dems or go a few extra miles and vote with the Pubs. She is a Pub out of convenience. Her heart is with Margaret Sanger.
But, Cheney is a conservative hero. He has proven credentials. I do not want to see Sarah tangle with him. She needs to respect him and respect his decision. Good people can disagree.
JellyToast on October 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM
I’ve had plenty of problems with Perry…..forced vaccination stunt…..Trans-Texas Corridor…..sometimes he makes you wonder if he’s getting too comfortable in office….yeah, I know.
But he is definitely the anti-D.C. candidate and while I’m by-and-large okay with Kay she’s not as conservative as Perry is.
I’ve heard Debra on the radio and checked out her website and I like what I see. But, she has no chance in this race. Maybe next time around……
JoeinTX on October 28, 2009 at 8:01 PM
First, Perry isn’t the (unique) anti-D.C. candidate.
Second, yes, @cozmo and I have talked about this. Even with a lot of backing, Medina would struggle to win. That said, my issue was with Cheney and Palin interfering on behalf of individuals that are less than model conservatives. Are we to play Realpolitik or reform the party? The message seems to be quite confusing given that certain endorsers aren’t afraid to shake up things north of the Mason-Dixon…
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM
If a special election takes place to replace KBH, it could easily go to a Dem. because it would be a free-for-all without primaries. The three Repubs running would split the ticket, and one of the two Dems could win.
I don’t know yet if it will go to special election, but we need to get ready for it. I like the two railroad commissioners who are running. One is a neighbor, and she’s very nice. Quite a looker too, for you guys.
juliesa on October 28, 2009 at 8:05 PM
I ALWAYS KNEW CHENEY WAS A RINO!!11!! YOU COULD TELL BY HIS..umm..HE SHOT A GUY IN THE FACE!!11! HOW DARE HE DISAGREE WITH PRINCESS PALIN!1!1!1! I BET HE EVEN VOTES DEMOKKKRAT NOW!1!1 GLENN BECK FOR PRESIDENT!1!!!!!111!11
Hot air has become a bastion for far right nutjobs. I’m actively looking for the “Conservative Republicans who are logical and understand that you can’t win em all and to come pretty close, you have to make sacrifices” blog. Anyone know where that is?
And no, nutties, I’m not a democrat in disguise. You just can’t believe that not everyone agrees with you folks and as a result, must dismiss anyone who does disagree with you as a ‘far left liberal!1!!1!!”
NoStoppingUs on October 28, 2009 at 8:08 PM
Perry – Pro-life, Pro-Texas & unafraid of secession.
I can’t recall any anti-Obama rhetoric coming out of DC Kay (who gave our border funds away).
Donated to Perry already and have his sticker on the truck.
on fire on October 28, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Who is Dutch? Are you talking about Reagan?
Honda V65, just out of curiosity, is all your knowledge of Reagan derived from Rush Limbaugh’s paeans to him? You are aware that Dutch was Reagan’s boyhood nickname, right?
That’s ok, though: I don’t have to take a lick of what you say about the GOP not adhering to Reagan’s “principles” seriously anymore.
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 8:09 PM
She voted for SCHIPP
True_King on October 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Disappointing. KBH is no conservative, she’s like GWB, a “compassionate conservative” without using the term. Personally, I think she’s just squishy like all RINOs. Afraid to make a decision to step down, in fact afraid to make virtually *any* decision until she’s tested the wind. I live in bluer than blue Austin and just hate to see our Governorship turned over to Austin blue light.
Webrider on October 28, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Ok, here’s the tiebreaker:
Rick is an Aggie, Kay is a teasip.
Vote accordingly.
I’m an Aggie married to a t-sip…A House Divided!!!!
juliesa on October 28, 2009 at 8:12 PM
I agree with lots of others on here: I’m sticking with Rick.
Because of Kay Bailout insisting on this (Why?), these 2 will spend lots of money and Rick will come out the winner.
Hide and watch.
I shouldn’t complain–all that GOP primary money means jobs!
(One of my friend’s daughters is working for KBH’s campaign already.)
Kay is also putting a “safe” GOP Senate seat into play that shouldn’t be, but hopefully, Governor Rick will appoint someone not-so-RINO-as-Kay to fill it.
Rick screwed up with the Gardasil mess (BTW, it was the TX legislature that slapped him down) and his Trans-Texas Corridor came to naught.
He’s been enforcing private property rights vs. eminent domain ever since!
I do believe the boy has learned his lessons.
And his talk of secession does drive all the right (Left) people crazy like Maobama.
Why should Texas carry the weight of the rest of the 57 states?!?
Jenfidel on October 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM
I don’t know much about either but, I like Perry because of his “right to seceede” line.
boomer on October 28, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Why not do both? Perry isn’t my perfect choice for a candidate, but he is hands down better than any opponent (that would have a snowballs chance in a Texas summer to win) in the general.
That’s why we have primaries…I would have enjoyed the ruckus if the rep party in Texas had tried what happened in NY-23.
The senate seat is going to need a front runner to emerge fast to avoid a nasty fight and I will probably not be happy with the winner of the primary, its my deep libertarian streak, go figure. At least in Texas, I can occasionally find a dem worth voting for.
cozmo on October 28, 2009 at 8:14 PM
And what exactly makes Perry a conservative. I’ve seen Pro-life. He’s not afraid of talking about secession (is that Conservative if he can’t argue using the Constitution?). Maybe you don’t consider Perry a conservative, but to me, he seemed kind of like a GWB compassionate con and KBH strikes me as a John McCain Progressive Republican…
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 8:15 PM
juliesa on October 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Care to name a Texas policy that got changed because some stupid bunch of NY and CA transplants got enough political power to demand it be changed? I’m really curious about this because a bunch of Californians get continually blamed for CO having a Dem legislature and Governor (though not for long), and thus CO is ostensibly “not the same.” TABOR, after all, is still the law of the land here in CO (and the Dems/Denver Post are still PO’d about it.).
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Because its worth as much?
cozmo on October 28, 2009 at 8:16 PM
If DICK Cheney likes Hutchinson, that means she’s not good.
Spathi on October 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM
That’s like a hidden message like Arnold does only it’s easy to decipher.
Spathi on October 28, 2009 at 8:17 PM
I guess I wouldn’t mind both so long as there wasn’t a claim that no realpolitik techniques were used.
We’ll see… As it is, it doesn’t sit well with me, but I’m not a Texan, so I’ll let the people of Texas decide what they want in a Gov and what they want their GOP to look like.
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Isn’t that like saying Ron Paul is a socialist because he agrees with Bernie Sanders on Audit The Fed?
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Kay is going to be hard pressed to come up with a reason as to why Texans should vote for her over Rick besides “He’s been in there long enough.”
I heard her do a radio interview on Mike Gallagher’s show a few weeks ago and frankly, I thought she was pathetic!
(Maybe I’m getting used to Sarah Palin’s style of kicking butts and taking names…)
Jenfidel on October 28, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Well, that settles that.
On the other hand, Sarah Palin’s a globalist, who supports the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and she likes Perry.
Oh, noes! What’s a Paulbot to do?????
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Good point, and let’s not forget that the Texas Legislature is essentially 50/50 right now. Republicans only have a two or three seat majority if i remember right. A lot of the Democrat resurgence here in Texas was due to Dems wanting to switch the state of Dubya over to their side. It’ll be interesting to see if that energy they had will still be there now that Dubya’s no longer in the White House. My guess is no, but Republicans would be whistling past the graveyard if they took Texas for granted.
clearbluesky on October 28, 2009 at 8:21 PM
The north also has a history or racism, along with every other country in the world; so get over it!!!
mizflame98 on October 28, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Brad, policies haven’t been changed yet, but the Texas House is two seats away from going Dem, and Noriega came closer than he should have to beating Cornyn. That would bring in bad policy.
My new neighbors from PA had an Obama sign in their yard for months last year. My longtime neighbors have “No Socialism” signs n their yards.
That said, I really like some of the new people I’ve met, especially the ones from Ohio. And my concealed handgun permit instructor is a CA refugee who thinks he’s died and gone to heaven. So some of them appreciate what they have now.
The real danger is the big urban counties, home to paid-off Dem minorities and jobseekers from out-of-state, are fixing to dominate the state in the same way that a few blue coastal areas almost dominate the US.
juliesa on October 28, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Personally, I don’t care for either one, but KBH is tired of Washington and like all these damn politicians just love the power. She said ten years is enough for Perry, after being in Washington for 16 frickin years. Now she wants to come back to Texas and bring all that earmarks, bailouts and big spending b/s back here. Both candidates suck, but if the shooting start I’ll take Sarah, Perry over Cheney, Bailey anytime.
KBH been in bed with Obama more times than his big ass linebacker wife.
try again later on October 28, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Only the metro areas of Dallas, Austin and Houston went for NObama last year.
Once you get out of the big cities, Texas is RED, red, red.
(Look at the electoral maps.)
Texas was a Democrat bastion until Bill Clements became Governor.
If we ever go purple–or God forbid Blue again–America is truly doomed.
The New Left Democrats don’t have principles that jibe with those of the citizens of the Lone Star State, but the Conservative Republicans do: Freedom, Low Taxes, Right-to-Work, Individuality and personal responsibility, & a Government that stays out of our yards, lives and faces!
Jenfidel on October 28, 2009 at 8:29 PM
The churches and liberals in Texas have been bitching at Rick for not spending more on medicaid and other programs. A few years ago he and the legislature cut the budget when revenues went south. He also handled the Ike evacuation pretty decently.
He’s nothing great, but he’s gotten a couple of big items right. Better the devil you know than the one you don’t. Have you ever heard Hutchison come out forcefully against Obama’s spending programs? I think she’s a McCain wannabe.
chris999 on October 28, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Dead on analysis.
herrevery on October 28, 2009 at 8:29 PM
julie, I put a Sarah! sign in my yard and you wouldn’t believe the friendships I made & some deepened by that one!
Jenfidel on October 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM
It seems unlikely for a sitting Republican governor to be unseated by a RINO ex-senator. These idiots never go away. According to what I read, Perry is no conservative prize, but is Hutchison in love with mirrors?
Feedie on October 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Why is it when a Democrat bigwig endorses some conservative Dem over a more liberal one, there aren’t a hurricane of news stories talking about the impending Democrat Civil War?
Speedwagon82 on October 28, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Does Hillary Clinton count as a conservative Dem? Or was it BHO that the MSM was trying to claim was more conservative? Eh… I forget.
MeatHeadinCA on October 28, 2009 at 8:36 PM
I concur.
jon1979, I don’t know much about Texas state politics, but that seemed pretty even-handed. Nice work.
And if 1979 refers to the year you were born, damn that makes me feel old.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Whether Perry’s “faking it” or not, one thing you can say about him that you can’t say about NObama is that he learns from the electorate and adjusts when they don’t like his ideas or programs.
At least he didn’t keep trying to cram his cr*p down our throats even after we’d let him know we hated it, like Maobama’s doing with health care and cr*p and trade!
Jenfidel on October 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM
That’s cool Jen. A few blocks away from me was a cute pink Sarah! sign. I don’t know them, but I look favorably on their household.
Our neighborhood is not very activist except right around election time, so I’m surprised, and pleased, by all the anti-Obamacare yard signs that are popping up here. I’ve had a couple of nice conversations with the owners of them on my daily dogwalk.
juliesa on October 28, 2009 at 8:37 PM
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