Obama’s new Afghanistan strategy: Protect the cities and cede the countryside to the Taliban; Update: Who feeds whom?

posted at 9:17 pm on October 28, 2009 by Allahpundit

This makes perfect sense to me — as a political strategy. Militarily, it sounds like they’re creating another Lebanon, where Hezbollah dominates the south of the country but by and large leaves Beirut alone (aside from the occasional advance to remind the government who’s boss). If you think having U.S. drones in the sky over Taliban-controlled areas will keep Al Qaeda out — which hasn’t happened in the Pakistani tribal areas, although I guess hope springs eternal — then fair enough. Politically, though, it’s perfectly sound. Hawks get a build-up in urban areas, which aren’t under threat, and doves get fewer new troops deployed to Afghanistan than expected, and it’s all very reasonable and compromise-y and Change-ish. And of course it shows voters how firm Obama’s hand is on foreign policy, declining McChrystal’s request for a big troop increase in favor of a more modest, nuanced one.

Sure, it means essentially ceding huge parts of the country to jihadist nutbags. But that’s how “pragmatism” works, baby.

At the moment, the administration is looking at protecting Kabul, Kandahar, Mazar-i-Sharif, Kunduz, Herat, Jalalabad and a few other village clusters, officials said. The first of any new troops sent to Afghanistan would be assigned to Kandahar, the Taliban’s spiritual capital, seen as a center of gravity in pushing back insurgent advances.

But military planners are also pressing for enough troops to safeguard major agricultural areas, like the hotly contested Helmand River valley, as well as regional highways essential to the economy — tasks that would require significantly more reinforcements beyond the 21,000 deployed by Mr. Obama this year…

[The new] strategy would be open to complaints that American and allied forces were in effect giving insurgents free rein across large parts of the nation, allowing the Taliban to establish ministates with training camps that could be used by Al Qaeda…

Military officers said that they would maintain pressure on insurgents in remote regions by using surveillance drones and reports from people in the field to find pockets of Taliban fighters and to guide attacks, in particular by Special Operations forces.

But a range of officials made the case that many insurgents fighting Americans in distant locations are motivated not by jihadist ideology, but by local grievances, and are not much of a threat to the United States or to the government in Kabul.

That’s the whole bet, succinctly stated — that, if left alone to govern themselves, the Afghans fighting alongside the Taliban will behave like most Iraqi Sunni insurgents and lay down their arms. If that bet proves wrong, then the only thing preventing the creation of a de facto Talibanistan in the rest of the country will be … drones. More from Max Boot:

The Taliban right now are still working to secure the countryside and it would be a grave mistake if we allowed them to pursue that strategy hindered only by a few air strikes that inevitably would be ineffective unless we had troops on the ground to generate accurate targeting intelligence. That doesn’t mean that we should send forces into remote outposts where no one lives. McChrystal is, in fact, pulling back such small bases, and rightly so. But his strategy envisions major operations to secure the Helmand River Valley, a rural area but one with plenty of substantial towns and villages. This is the economic heart of southern Afghanistan and the country’s major poppy-growing region. His strategy also envisions taking control of the rural areas that surround major cities such as Kandahar and Kabul. In the case of the capital, that means pacifying provinces to the south such as Logar and Wardak. The approaches to those cities have been in the grip of the Taliban, and breaking their vice grip will require more troops.

Similarly, Baghdad did not start to become secure in 2007 until the U.S. deployed substantial surge troops to the “gates” of the city — the belt of rural territory surrounding the capital including the “triangle of death” to the south. If the Obama strategy does not envision a similar offensive in Afghanistan, it will be making a terrible mistake. But if such an offensive is planned it will take a lot of troops — 10,000 to 20,000 probably won’t cut it, especially if most of those are providing combat “enablers” (medevac, air support, route clearance, intelligence, and the like).

The kindest thing that can be said about The One’s strategy, I think, is that it may quiet the Taliban down for a year or two, just long enough for us to declare victory in training the Afghan army and then skedaddling before the inevitable offensive on the country’s population centers begins. If the jihadists have any strategic sense at all, they’ll lie low for a while after moving back into the countryside to give Obama some political cover (see, we can trust them!) and to consolidate their gains. If they’re willing to fight for seven years to reclaim the country, they should be willing not to fight for two or three to create enough space for The One to pull out. Then they can make their move and, when they do, we can shrug it off as us having done what we could. There’s your “exit strategy,” I guess.

Update: Via e-mail, a great question from a military reader.

One thing I’ve noticed that’s missing from every single city vs. country argument I’ve ever heard, and seems entirely applicable to the recent post on Hot Air: When city and country disagree, who feeds who?

Do the people in the countryside get their daily bread from food grown in the cities? No, it seems to work the opposite way. The country folks grow the food if the government lets them, and then it’s shipped in to feed the city folks.

If the country folks decide they aren’t on the same team as the people in the city, well, sucks if you live in the city. Either get with the program, or get real thin real quick. At least American liberals in coastal cities have big corporations to provide their organic foods from all over the world, what do you think the Afghanis have while they’re under assault by jihadist extremists?


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Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.

Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Christie makes John Hunstman look conservative. That’s a scary thought isn’t it?

nobar on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

He’ll likely be a bit more reserved after all of the national conservative backlash, but their post-Hurricane Sandy buddy-buddiness last year played over beautifully in blue New Jersey — which took a hard left for President Obama in the presidential election — and some photo-ops with the president will not only pair well with the “compromise” theme his campaign has been hitting but also draw attention to the fact that the Jersey Shore is reopening for fun-summertime business this weekend and his relevant gubernatorial prowess.

The problem is it’ll be toxic in the GOP primaries in 2 1/2 years and that’s not even factoring in Scandalpalooza. CRISTie’s already got his reelection locked up. Why continue to play footsie with Obama like this unless he’s decided privately that he won’t be seeking the Presidency in 2016?

Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I’d tell you to get bent, Chris, but your girth would prevent that, so…

Dopenstrange on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Look’s like muskrat love.

kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM

If Christie is the GOP nominee in 2016, the Democrats will keep the White House.

Count on it.

DRayRaven on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Somebody needs to talk this guy into joining the Party of the Democrats . . . and get him out of the Republican Party.

rplat on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Chris Christie: “I’ll be here to welcome” Obama

I picture that line being delivered with a tire iron inhand. The old Christe woulda….

apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Rubio/Christie – The Demopbulican ticket.

Oil Can on May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Loud mouths like Christie who “tell it like it is” usually put their foot in their mouth eventually (which he has done already).

He may as well put a great big D next to his name before the next election.

iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Who’d of thought Barack is a chubby chaser? Go figure.

madmonkphotog on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.

Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Heh. Did you happen to see Drudge’s pic of Christie and Barry,..center of page about halfway down? Looks like The Big Guy is giving a huge reach around to The Leader, who is giggling coyly. Perfect!

a capella on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Obama is scheduled to visit the state next Tuesday to view the ongoing recovery efforts, meet with businesses and home owners aided by the recovery efforts and speak about the importance of expanding the middle class,

So basically he will be campaigning on our dime!
What’s new about that ?

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The problem is it’ll be toxic in the GOP primaries in 2 1/2 years

Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

I’m sure it will be as toxic as Amnesty was for McCain and Romneycare was for Romney.

lol

Don’t you love the GOP electorate?

Fezzik on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Well, The First Lady says he’d make a great President, so
there you have it…he’s The Republican nominee in 2016!!!

Hooray!!!!!!

be back in a bit….have some Vomit to clean up…

ToddPA on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I see a Chris Christie/Charlie Crist ticket in their future.

iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM

If Christie is the GOP nominee in 2016, the Democrats will keep the White House.

Count on it.

DRayRaven on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM

True.
Dang! Did anyone say he’d try to run as a Republican?

*perish the thought*

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I see a cage match primary in the future between the Fat Man and Killary. Guess who wins.

BeachBum on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Front page pic: today’s Laurel and Hardy.

Marcola on May 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM

If Christie is the GOP nominee in 2016, the Democrats will keep the White House.

Count on it.

DRayRaven on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I don’t know about that. The Fat Man pretty much already won reelection in one of the most corrupt and backward states in the country. You’ve got to admit Christie is pretty politically savvy — more so than amnesty-pusher Marco Rubio or some of the other clowns.

Punchenko on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Just more media manipulation to pick the next sacrificial goat for us. Oh… yeah.. he could beat Hillary.. PICK HIM… No more letting the same media which hates us, influence who our party picks to run, they are NOT our damned friends.

mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Who’d of thought Barack is a chubby chaser? Go figure.

madmonkphotog on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM

He isn’t. He’s a receiver. As long as he closes his eyes and “doesn’t know” one BJ is like any other…….

Like his entire administration.

Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised at all with a Arlen Spector flip and his running as Hillary’s mate.
I doubt the Republicans are going to find their nominee from the East Coast again this time.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I see a cage match primary in the future between the Fat Man and Killary. Guess who wins.

BeachBum on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Tough call. One is a fat, sweaty, graceless, clueless career backstabber and the other is Christie.

apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I don’t know about that. The Fat Man pretty much already won reelection in one of the most corrupt and backward states in the country. You’ve got to admit Christie is pretty politically savvy — more so than amnesty-pusher Marco Rubio or some of the other clowns.

Punchenko on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM

savvy at stroking democrats..

republicans who are conservative.. not so much.. He runs as the nominee in 16, I’m voting Conservative party… and I won’t be the only one.

mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Chris Christie: “I’ll be here to welcome lead ” Obama when he comes to tour the NJ coast again next week

More accurate

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM

oooh, i wonder if they will go out on a date and hold hands and other cute stuff. how sweet!

Sachiko on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Is it me or does Christie look like the Penguin?

Amadeus on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Why does Obama hate Democrat women?

The bad news here is for Christie’s Democrat challenger Barbara Buono; her camp has been hoping against hope to make some inroads into Gov. Christie’s robust state popularity, but a hangout with O will only make that all the harder for them.

patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.

Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

It’s not hands. See my 3:40 comment.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised at all with a Arlen Spector flip and his running as Hillary’s mate.
I doubt the Republicans are going to find their nominee from the East Coast again this time.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Won’t work. Neither Hillary nor the Rotund One will ever be the 2nd line on a ticket.

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM

I’m sure it will be as toxic as Amnesty was for McCain and Romneycare was for Romney.

lol

Don’t you love the GOP electorate?

Fezzik on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

That’s because the field of candidates sucked in 2008 and 2012. McCain had no competition other than Huckster and Romney. And 4 years later, Romney had only Newt and Santorum to contend with.

Even if a bunch of conservatives take a pass on 2016, there’s no way our choices will be that limited in 3 years.

Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Is Governor Christie, a

RINO – Republican In Name Only?

or, a

DIABLO – Democrat In All But Label Only?

Choices, Choices….

patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM

If Christi runs, it’ll be on the media driven narrative, he can win without the GOP base, just moderates and democrat cross overs..

The media which never saw a left wing extremist, ever, anywhere, has waged a decades long fight to smother the conservative base, even though we out number progressives 2 to 1.

Voter suppression isn’t unethical, like so much else, if the media/democrats do it.

mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Obama has overseen the use of federal agencies to intimidate and harass American citizens. And not jus any agencies: IRS, FBI, and the ATF harassed Catherine Engelbrecht. They sped on a Fox News reporter’s family.

Christie should be ashamed of himself. When does politics end and he starts doing the right thing?

InterestedObserver on May 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM

That’s because the field of candidates sucked in 2008 and 2012. McCain had no competition other than Huckster and Romney. And 4 years later, Romney had only Newt and Santorum to contend with.

Even if a bunch of conservatives take a pass on 2016, there’s no way our choices will be that limited in 3 years.

Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM

We have got to light a fire under our conservative leaders.. front benchers this time please..

mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Fat, dopey liberal. I will enjoy voting against him more than most.

Jaibones on May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Christie…
Obama probably has taken a shower since meeting with Bruce Springsteen…

Electrongod on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM

…yeah, we know he’s a squish, but he is also the Governor of New Jersey. A guy like Cruz or even Rubio couldn’t get elected dog catcher in that state. Cut the big guy a break, he is undoubtedly better than whatever cookie cutter Dem would be sitting in that chair otherwise.

ndalager on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Christy, from a notoriously corrupt state like Obama’s Illinois, knows how the bread gets buttered. I wish he was a principled man, but he has done some good for Jersey. Let him stay there on the state level as the citizens feel fit via elections.

tom daschle concerned on May 24, 2013 at 3:53 PM

If Christie is the GOP nominee in 2016, the Democrats will keep the White House.

Count on it.

DRayRaven on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Absolutly right! The designated McCain will lose, whether it’s Christie, Rubio, Crist, Jeb or fill in the blank.

I wish we could some how change that, but the current GOP leadership he hard-wired to another designated McCain, (or Dole if you like).

Alabama Infidel on May 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Now serving dog on the Jersey boardwalk.

LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Aww. Christie really, really wuvs obama…he can be his new body man :) well, if he sheds two more hundred pounds that is… obama likes his body men lean :)

jimver on May 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.

Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

There won’t be any strolling on the beach today.
It’s 50 degrees and raining on and off all day with wind on top of it.

So much for the Big C’s “the shore is open” nonsense along with all that global warming.

jersey taxpayer on May 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Another azzhole

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM

I’m the governor and I’ll be here to welcome him.”

With flowers, chocolates, soft music . . . and KY jelly?

AZCoyote on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Has Obama visited Oklahoma yet?

LtBarnwell02 on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM

The problem is it’ll be toxic in the GOP primaries in 2 1/2 years and that’s not even factoring in Scandalpalooza. CRISTie’s already got his reelection locked up. Why continue to play footsie with Obama like this unless he’s decided privately that he won’t be seeking the Presidency in 2016?

Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

The DEM VP,AG or SS cabinet position.
He’s going to be Huntsman * 1000(pds). If they can get past the scandals, Christie is going to be the lefts secret 100ton bunker buster.
“See, the current repub wingnut tbillies are so far gone that they even turned on their Conservative Hero Christie.”

Did Christie condemn the IRS, Benghazi response, AP, Rosen…? Has he addressed the scandals? He could do it in a non partisan way. Even Dear Leader managed “outrage”(or at least he used the word).

HA people, Christie is not running for the Repub Presidency. Like Doughboy wrote: He’s got his reelection locked up. This photo op further hurts him if he were to run as an R. And I do believe his French Kissing O ,from last year, would be re-run if he ran. He can’t run as an R and he knows it. He doesn’t want to.

BoxHead1 on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

OT: Ryan Lizza (via Twitchy) reporting DOJ sought to keep Rosen in the dark about confiscating his E-mail for an extended period of time.

LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Christie’s worst enemy in any potential 2016 primary is probably Jon Huntsman, since the goal is to solidify a block of moderates during the early northeastern state primaries, as the lone moderate in the field, and let the other conservative hopefuls knock each other off. That plan falls apart if there are two squishy Republicans in the race splitting that vote, but Christie’s advantage is it’s easier to play that game from New Jersey than it is from Utah, since the media will have no problem trumpeting his in-your-face personality in the primaries (and destroy him for it in the general election, if he actually did win the primary).

jon1979 on May 24, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Has Obama visited Oklahoma yet?

LtBarnwell02 on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM

I think the White House is still threatening the victims’ families in Moore to invite Hussein for a campaign sppech when they hold funerals for their loved ones and so far, no invite.
I’m sure he has his speech uploaded to TOTUS, photogs and networks ready to fly on AF-1 on a short notice .
Until then,,,partay..partay…partay…

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Has Obama visited Oklahoma yet?

LtBarnwell02 on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Wrong crowd. Dead, white conservatives are a gift for this guy.

Trayvon Martin was definitely worth a “presidential” comment.

Gee…. there’s a pattern here, isn’t there!

Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Go to hell Christie. Just change yourself to (D) and get it overwith.

TX-96 on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

This fat wad needs to sink into the nearest deep part of the ocean. He could feed the sharks for days.

avagreen on May 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

We don’t care now you fat piece of crap, the election is over.

slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

All due respect:

Christie is super fat.

And that is all the respect he is due.

Sherman1864 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Obama is simply coming back to see how Christie’s pregnancy is coming along. I hear Obama is hoping for a son…

William Eaton on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

They’ll tour the coast right after stopping off at the Registrar’s Office so Chris can drop off his change-of-party registration.

Another Drew on May 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

That’s fine, gotta take some time for photo ops in the midst of all the scandals. That’s what politicians do. Has he ever thought to take a trip back to the Gulf since 140 gallons of oil spilled in it, though?

scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

This was Ann Coultier’s big candidate for President.
“Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!”

flytier on May 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

ha, make that 140 MILLION gallons

scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.

Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Time to make the “Obamistie” relationship public.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Democrats in NJ are not worried their candidate will lose, because by 2014 Christie will have switched parties to become a Democrat.

albill on May 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

If the president wants to come back here and see the progress himself, I never worry about that stuff,”

Yes. please roll out the red carpet and Slurpee’s. After all, the President and Democrats in general have done so much for NJ. Which is why there is a Republican governor…whoops.

It’s very revealing how the governor shows his love for Obama when the treasury is dishing out other people’s money to pay for the states disasters. They’ve allowed people to build in those areas and now, strangely, after receiving the big Obama smooch and fist-fulls of our cash, they are rebuilding.

For years, NJ collected taxes from all the affected residents. Did they save any of it for a windy, wet day? Nope.

Christie is only a pragmatic economic denizens when it suits his political needs. We’ve seen what happens when a crisis strikes. The first casualty is financial discipline.

Marcus Traianus on May 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Mitt should have recruited this guy to play a dirty trick or two but nooooooo……

But did he just stay neutral? Nooooo…

The Dems and the media are having a persistently hard time destroying Christianity, capitalism, white people and the Bill of Rights in less than a decade.

They sorely welcome the help of all useful idiots in wrecking the country and relish the fools who embrace their own demise.

But Christe? Maybe there is some natural bond between guys who run corrupt governments, ever think of that?

IlikedAUH2O on May 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

I think the White House is still threatening the victims’ families in Moore to invite Hussein for a campaign sppech when they hold funerals for their loved ones and so far, no invite.

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Whaaa, no invite yet?? Do the local IRS know, and what are they planning to do about it?

jimver on May 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Clash of Titans:

Snooki Ambushes Chris Christie at Jersey Shore

Christie was walking around the boardwalk after having appeared on NBC’s Today when Nicole “Snooki” Polizzi confronted him to defend her idiotic show from the governor. The two engaged in a heated conversation, with Snooki tweeting shortly thereafter, “Getting told why we are bad for jersey. Amazing.”

Snooki told Christie to back away from her at one point. “Why are you standing so close to me?” asked one of the cast member’s mothers. Christie can then be seen saying, “You asked for my opinion.”

:)

INC on May 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM

The mayor of Tampa at the time, a dem, wouldn’t even go to the airport to greet President Bush so there must be some outs for state officials if they don’t want to meet an greet. CC wants to for political reasons which makes him just as bad as the rest of the crowd in DC. He goes along to get along.

Kissmygrits on May 25, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Good for you, Chris. Expect to stay in New Jersey for the duration, because they obviously need you more than we need you in the White House.

RebeccaH on May 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM