Housing sales drop “unexpectedly”

posted at 12:55 pm on October 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Two economic indicators over the past week indicate that the recovery may have trouble getting off the ground.  Today, the Commerce Department reported a sharp drop in sales of new homes after a few months of tepid increases fueled by a tax break.  The previous month’s figures also got revised downward by 12,000 sales, or almost 3%:

Sales of new U.S. homes unexpectedly tumbled in September, their first drop in six months, underscoring the hazards to an economic recovery that businesses appeared to be banking on.

New single-family home sales fell 3.6 percent to a 402,000 unit annual pace from a downwardly revised 417,000 units in August, the Commerce Department said on Wednesday. Analysts polled by Reuters had expected sales to rise to a 440,000 unit pace from August’s previously reported 429,000.

A separate report from the Mortgage Bankers Association on Wednesday showed demand for mortgages has fallen for the past three weeks as buyers move to the sidelines ahead of the November 30 expiration of a popular home-buyers’ tax credit.

The biggest mystery is why this result is labeled “unexpected.”  First, defaults rose last month, making the sale of new homes less attractive as foreclosures skew the market.  More importantly, though, the expiration of the tax break should have made this outcome rather predictable.  Just as with Cash for Clunkers, the tax credit did nothing but accelerate sales to people who could already afford to buy.  As pointed out yesterday, the temporary prop for housing prices only delayed the inevitable reconciliation between actual value and market value, and stole sales from the future.

Housing contractors didn’t get fooled.  As the AP reports, inventory of new homes has hit a 27-year low.  Unlike the previous government interventions, the industry did not get suckered into investing a lot of cash into new real estate and construction, foreseeing the outcome of the tax credit’s expiration date.  They have over seven months of new-housing sales on the market at this rate, which means they will still have trouble unloading and recovering their investments.

Why? Fewer people have jobs, which means they have fewer potential clients, with or without tax credits.  Mass layoffs abated only slightly from August, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported last week:

Employers took 2,561 mass layoff actions in September that resulted in the separation of 248,006 workers, seasonally adjusted, as measured by new filings for unemployment insurance benefits during the month, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Each action involved  at least 50 persons from a single employer. …

Among the 4 census regions, the Midwest registered the highest number of initial claims in September due to mass layoffs (38,137), followed by the West (37,480) and the South (28,943). (See table 5.) Initial claims associated with mass layoffs increased over the year in 2 of the 4 regions, with the Midwest experiencing the largest increase (+11,491). In 2009, the Midwest reported its highest September level of average weekly initial claims (9,534) in program history.

In August, mass layoff events increased 24.7% over July.  The new number still represents an 18.7% increase over July.  Furthermore, these are cumulative.  Job losses have not been balanced by job creation, which means that further job losses stack on top of previous job losses, rather than replace the earlier numbers.

Large employers are still shedding jobs, which makes the new-housing sales slump entirely predictable.  Instead of tax-credit gimmicks, the government needs to find ways to get out of the way of recovery and allow the private sector to invest and grow.

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Consumer confidence dropped too.

lorien1973 on October 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I’m getting as sick of the word “unexpectedly” as I am of the word “racism.” For the love of Pete, don’t they known ANY other words?

UnderstandingisPower on October 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM

This administration sure does alot of downward revisions to their reports after the fact. Funny that.

p0s3r on October 28, 2009 at 12:58 PM

The biggest mystery is why this result is labeled “unexpected.”

But the use of “unexpected” was not, well, unexpected.

WashJeff on October 28, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Cash for clunkers part II.

farright on October 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I blame Bush

faraway on October 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Cash for Clunkers part deux?

ted c on October 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM

making the sale of new homes less attractive as foreclosures skew the market.

Of course your assessor ignores foreclosures and there influence on the value of your home. Don’t want to lose that property tax revenue.

WashJeff on October 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM

beat me to it farright

ted c on October 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Of course it’s “unexpected”. Everything that the left does fails and it is always a surprise to them. Just wait until 2010 when the massive porkulus borrowing kicks in and the private capital market dries up. Then thing are really going to get “unexpected”.

scrubjay on October 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM

unexpectedly= evidence that doesn’t conform to the MSM’s or administrations own innate bias.

ted c on October 28, 2009 at 1:01 PM

For the love of Pete, don’t they known ANY other words?

UnderstandingisPower on October 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Robust comes to mind, maybe the should say robustly unexpected.

farright on October 28, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Golly..I wonder if the free money program ending has anything to do with it?? Nahh!…that would be expected. This was something totally unexpected.

Itchee Dryback on October 28, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Have the realtors, the white House and the MSM been misleading us all along. I think so. And I believe it is all catching up with them. There should be all hell to pay for those who have lied to the American people!

bluegrass on October 28, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Joe says the stimulus is working beyond our wildest imaginations.

John the Libertarian on October 28, 2009 at 1:01 PM

When utopia isn’t spelled out in reality, it’s unexpected.

“We expected utopia, but when utopia didn’t happen, it was unexpected.”

Predictable.

ted c on October 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

The only way a story on the economy could be labeled unexpected now would be if the MSM didn’t spin it in Obama’s favor.

Rocks on October 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

beat me to it farright

ted c on October 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM

And Obama beat farright to it.

WashJeff on October 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Joe says the stimulus is working beyond our wildest imaginations.

John the Libertarian on October 28, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Joe does have a vivid imagination.

ICBM on October 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Instead of tax-credit gimmicks, the government needs to find ways to get out of the way of recovery and allow the private sector to invest and grow.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

johnsteele on October 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM

In the old days Barney and Chris would have been tarred and feathered already. Don’t you miss them. ( the days )

bluegrass on October 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM

We have always unexpectedly been at war with Eastasia.

LibTired on October 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM

In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

ihasurnominashun on October 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM

The Bush Recession is over!

The bad news, however, is the Obama Depression has begun.

Enoxo on October 28, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I’ve said for years that Democrats do not understand basic economic fundamentals. They simply don’t.

Economics is basically a manifestation of human behavior, i.e. risk, reward, trade offs, planning, etc. and the Democrats clearly don’t understand human behavior. The evidence for this is manifest throughout their entire legislative history. Just look at the war on poverty. Trillions of dollars given to people and how do the recipients of largess react? Like humans. They stop working and sit back and collect the money. Meanwhile Democrats scratch their heads and wonder why their programs fail.

DerKrieger on October 28, 2009 at 1:04 PM

How could this NOT be unexpected? Is there an economist out there that isn’t in the tank for Obama?

God, we live in a nation populated by idiots!

Dave R. on October 28, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Eye of the storm.

progressoverpeace on October 28, 2009 at 1:05 PM

You may remember during the Bush years, that every time the economy did well (as it did for most of his term), the press told us that the results were “surprisingly good: or “much better than analysts expected.” It was the press’s way of saying “Bush did everything wrong but the economy is unexpectedly strong.” Now the results are “unexpectedly poor”, which is the press saying, “Obama’s done everything right but the results just aren’t showing it.” Ha! They are a joke!

Christian Conservative on October 28, 2009 at 1:05 PM

We have always unexpectedly been at war with Eastasia.

LibTired on October 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM

We are unexpectedly at war with Euroasia. Eastasia is our friend.

This game would almost be fun to watch if it wasn’t so serious! And hasn’t anyone read “1984″? Orwell was frighteningly brilliant!

UnderstandingisPower on October 28, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Obama is a criminal.

elduende on October 28, 2009 at 1:06 PM

If the constitution allows the Feds to compel us to buy insurance, they can compel us to buy all the houses that builders can build. Problem solved. Hope and (spare) change.

pedestrian on October 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM

here’s another thing that’s being obscured: if new housing construction is at it’s lowest levels in decades, and yet even with that we still have a 7 month inventory, then this is an industry that is almost completely dead.

No construction plus no sales = No Revenue to even keep the doors open at these homebuilding companies! You can play with earnings all you want, but when cash flow goes to zero you have got a Real Big Problem no matter how many games you can play with the numbers.

And most of these companies are now at Cash Flow = Zero stage.

WWS on October 28, 2009 at 1:08 PM

So other then new houses. What about the old ones? i am curious because I am thinking about renting the house I just bought and buying another.

upinak on October 28, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Unexpectedly?
People can not continue to buy houses with no jobs. How many months before they figure out that unless there is some job creation their “unexpected” numbers are going to continue.

ORconservative on October 28, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Mish expects a Job Loss Recovery

flyfisher on October 28, 2009 at 1:13 PM

You idiot wingnuts. Without the Stimulus, these numbers would be much worse.

Obama saved or created thousands millions of housing starts.

faraway on October 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Stimulus-MANIA!

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Meanwhile the construction trades are being hammered. My own relatives are calling me to see if I need anything done around my place; new carpet, siding, finish work, whatever.

Bishop on October 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Unexpectedly?? “If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn’t be more surprised than I am right now.”
(when Chevy Chase was funny)

hoosiermama on October 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Curious how the experts were always surprised by unexpected positive numbers under Bush and now those same experts are constantly surprised by unexpected negative reports.

Something is there, a trend, just can’t put my finger on it.

jukin on October 28, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Who wants to buy a home in this unstable economic environment? It’s one thing to be upside down in a Chevy; it’s quite another to be upside down in a McMansion.

flyfisher on October 28, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Eye of the storm.

progressoverpeace on October 28, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Wait till they “revise” the unemployment figures for September and the dreaded 10% gets actually put in writing.

Johnnyreb on October 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Rush is spot on, the Obama recession/depression is working just as the statist expected. Unexpected NOT!

farright on October 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Screw it I am buying a foreclosed one.

upinak on October 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM

The results are unexpected because recessions and depressions aren’t profitable. Recoveries are. So the majority of pundits and analysts “expect” (i.e. root for, lie about) a recovery.

They’re trying to disconnect economic results from economic actions. It’s all just a random fluke and the DOW should be back at 14000 next week amirite?

The Calibur on October 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM

The data is there, but I think the “unexpected” headline is part of the narrative to drive extending the credit.

“The housing market is worse than expected! We must extend the housing tax credit, to save the economy!”

Meh.

cs89 on October 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM

but CNBC said the recovery was here a couple of months ago.

ooh boy, I think the holiday retail season is going to be awful.

james23 on October 28, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Screw it I am buying a foreclosed one.

upinak on October 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM
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I did in 1989, and got a great deal. The house is paid for, and even in a down real estate market, is worth 3 times what I paid for it.

ICBM on October 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Americans are idiots. The govt will give tou $8K to buy a house. Said house will decline $25K in value. Yet Americans think it’s a great deal.

angryed on October 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Success! – crr6

Unemployment, housing sales, economic activity are all terrible ways to judge an economy. The recovery is on! – Proud Rino

It doesn’t matter if the whole nation crumbles to dust, so long as the right to an abortion is protected. – AnninCA

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

angryed on October 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM

I wonder where that lady is who cried that she won’t have to pay her mortgage or gas anymore since dear leader won….I just wonder….

cmsinaz on October 28, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Freedom! – trolls

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Wait till they “revise” the unemployment figures for September and the dreaded 10% gets actually put in writing.

Johnnyreb on October 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Yep. It will get even worse after Christmas when they finally adjust their Birth/Death model which has been used to artificially hold down the unemployment rate (intentionally?). In early October the BLS admitted they’ve understated job losses by upwards of 800,000. If that’s what they are admitting, just how bad are the real numbers?

flyfisher on October 28, 2009 at 1:23 PM

ummmm, unreported, Sep 2009 starts are down 28% from Sep 2008.

Change.

faraway on October 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I wonder where that lady is who cried that she won’t have to pay her mortgage or gas anymore since dear leader won….I just wonder….

cmsinaz on October 28, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Sitting at a gas station with an empty tank as the bank forecloses on her house… fantasizing about her dreamboat in DC.

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Bad news is always unexpected in the land of unicorns and rainbows.

jhffmn on October 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM

oops, correction. My 28% number is construction, not sales.

faraway on October 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Thanks to Obama, dark days are ahead for America, Prof. Hanson

elduende on October 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Unexpectedly? Not two days ago I read an article noting that housing prices had increased. Hmmm…prices go up…sales go down…coincidence…?
*shakes head, reaches for Econ textbook to beat reporters with*

RedMindBlueState on October 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM

:-)

sounds about right…

cmsinaz on October 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I’m getting as sick of the word “unexpectedly” as I am of the word “racism.” For the love of Pete, don’t they known ANY other words?

UnderstandingisPower on October 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM

I just wish they would find someone that is smart enough to actually EXPECT these things.

Like anyone not a spokesperson for the administration.

barnone on October 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Obama’s approval numbers drop again… unexpectedly.

behiker on October 28, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Are they going to extend cash for cottages? Every time when capitalism is fed by inducements, the free market adjust later. Who buys pizza without a coupon?

seven on October 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Everyone steals my schtick :(

lorien1973 on October 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Everyone steals my schtick :(

lorien1973 on October 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

You’re my hero… take it as a compliment!

I was surprised it wasn’t already done, so I figured you were busy elsewhere.

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I don’t think it’s unexpected. I think this adminstration knows exactly what price is to be paid for socializing. This is something only those asleep wouldn’t expect. With this economic crisis we should be talking about the tax code, lending practices, trade relations and the alike. Instead Obama gives us Nationalized Health Care, Pay Czars, Cap & Trade, and the evils of Fox News for not reporting his so-called truth. Obama and his cronies know that in a socialized country having 12% unemployment is “normal” and this housing crisis is just a reflection of too many of us having hope in the traditional view of the american dream.

MichiganMatt on October 28, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Remember that this involves new houses, not existing houses.

The National Association of Realtors said a few days ago that existing-home sales – including single-family, townhomes, condominiums and co-ops – jumped 9.4 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate1 of 5.57 million units in September from a level of 5.09 million in August, and are 9.2 percent higher than the 5.10 million-unit pace in September 2008. Sales activity is at the highest level in over two years, since it hit 5.73 million in July 2007.

Part of the problem might be that people can now buy existing houses cheaper than the prices at which builders can build new houses. The new home buyer credit could be used for either new or existing houses.

Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM

I did in 1989, and got a great deal. The house is paid for, and even in a down real estate market, is worth 3 times what I paid for it.

ICBM on October 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM

yep… and if you get it at a turn around rate, stick 50K in, it is going to be a beautiful house.

And since I don’t need granite (actually granite is known to hold bacteria if not sealed properly) or anything extremely fancy for my house… I have no problems with updates.

upinak on October 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM

He’s got two years to put the damage in motion… then he has two years with the veto pen to keep it that way should he lose the legislature.

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Instead of tax-credit gimmicks, the government needs to find ways to get out of the way of recovery and allow the private sector to invest and grow.

So let me get this straight. The government should just sit back and let everything burn? No, they are doing the right thing by tax breaks. Although you refer to them as “gimmicks” they are working.

I guess if Bush had proposed them then they would be tax “breaks” instead of “gimmicks”, eh?

Decider on October 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM

For crying out loud, nobody’s perfect. Every damned story on the economy in the past 8 months has been about how each and every single downward movent is always “unexpected.”

After a certain point that’s not candor; it’s idiocy. And that line was crossed a very, very long time ago.

If you didn’t expect the sun to come up this morning, that doesn’t mean you have an open mind. It means that you are a moron.

Where in the Hell do the liberal media find all these perenially shocked “economics experts” anyway? If all you’re trying to guess is whether a given indicator will rise or fall, a monkey with a dartboard would be right HALF the time. And he’d probably work for less money.

logis on October 28, 2009 at 1:35 PM

My favorite line…”but where did the money come from?” Answer from the sheeple: “from Obama, of course…”

“You can’t fix stupid” –Ron White.

search4truth on October 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Well Jimbo, when you can find someone who is out of work, and get the building material CHEAPER then you can with a contractor’s pricing … you have one of two things you can do. Give the guy without a job a job to build your house for cheaper then a contractors large business and developers cost as well. Or buy older homes, still have the same guy who doesn’t have a job and have him begin to upgrade the old house.

win win in any case.. if people are smart with their money.

upinak on October 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Obama’s recession is turning into Obama’s depression.

Johan Klaus on October 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Part of the problem might be that people can now buy existing houses cheaper than the prices at which builders can build new houses. The new home buyer credit could be used for either new or existing houses.

Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM

C4C caused an artificial jump in sales followed by the inevitable and predictable drop off. The first quarter next year may just be a disaster for both new and existing home sales.

The only “bright spot” (if you can call it that) is that lower prices may buoy sales.

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Remember that this involves new houses, not existing houses.

The National Association of Realtors said a few days ago that existing-home sales – including single-family, townhomes, condominiums and co-ops – jumped 9.4 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate1 of 5.57 million units in September from a level of 5.09 million in August, and are 9.2 percent higher than the 5.10 million-unit pace in September 2008. Sales activity is at the highest level in over two years, since it hit 5.73 million in July 2007.

Part of the problem might be that people can now buy existing houses cheaper than the prices at which builders can build new houses. The new home buyer credit could be used for either new or existing houses.

Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Pre-exisiting sales also include a tremendous amount of foreclosed homes that the banks are taking a bath on. For some reason that is not pointed out in any article. Subtract those houses out and I suspect the real numbers would be negative. Banks are letting those homes trickle into the market and people with cash are actually buying them up.

Johnnyreb on October 28, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Instead of tax-credit gimmicks, the government needs to find ways to get out of the way of recovery and allow the private sector to invest and grow.

The last thing these statists want is a private sector investing and growing.

The more unemployed, the more people dependent on them. Destroy the economy and the people are at your mercy.

Each day, they grow closer to the goal.

TXUS on October 28, 2009 at 1:37 PM

There is no one in the White House or in Congress with even a basic understanding of macroeconomics.

Therefore, they are getting rolled by flim flam artists.

This is what happens when the American people elect representatives on the basis of celebrity, skin color, family ties, etc., instead of proven experience/accomplishments and integrity.

NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

The only “bright spot” (if you can call it that) is that lower prices may buoy sales.

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM

that depends. people are tired of being screwed over.. all the way around.

Heck a friend of mine just put in for a foreclosure… she actually dickered with them on the price (which I didn’t thinkyou could do in a BFH) and she got it 50K under what it was. I was shocked… but now that I know you can do that I may try to “upgrade” and rent out the house I have to some military folk.

upinak on October 28, 2009 at 1:41 PM

The “experts” still don’t get it. House prices need to fall another 20-30% to fall in line with historic averages. That will happen. Only question is will it happen in a year or two or five or six? The more crap like $8K credits the govt comes up with the closer it will be to 6.

angryed on October 28, 2009 at 1:41 PM

NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

But, communism/socialism has not worked because the right people have not been in charge.

Johan Klaus on October 28, 2009 at 1:44 PM

And next year, about this time, the foreclosure’s will be ‘unexpectedly’ higher.

PappaMac on October 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

on 26 December, will there be reports on an unexpected drop in the number of ponies under the tree this year. The kiddos are expectin’ ‘em dontcha know….

ted c on October 28, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I could say that this is what happens when you attempt to treat a symptom without touching the cause, but a large chunk of this can’t be prevented without re-inflating the bubble.
Though I imagine this is a great time to build your own house, or hire someone to build you a custom one.

Count to 10 on October 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM

As pointed out yesterday, the temporary prop for housing prices only delayed the inevitable reconciliation between actual value and market value, and stole sales from the future.

It’s not like Obumbles, Reid, and Peloser are “stealing” stealing from the future. Still it’s not too late to blame Bush.

jdkchem on October 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

That should be “it’s never too late to blame Bush”!

jdkchem on October 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM

The government needs to leave the housing market alone and let it correct itself. The $8,000 check is good for the first-time homebuyers, but it is creating a false market when the $8,000 is dicontinued.

yoda on October 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM

There is no one in the White House or in Congress with even a basic understanding of macroeconomics.

Therefore, they are getting rolled by flim flam artists.

This is what happens when the American people elect representatives on the basis of celebrity, skin color, family ties, etc., instead of proven experience/accomplishments and integrity.

NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Well, when they have crackpots like Krugman cheering them on…

Count to 10 on October 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM

The government needs to leave the housing market alone and let it correct itself. The $8,000 check is good for the first-time homebuyers, but it is creating a false market when the $8,000 is dicontinued.

yoda on October 28, 2009 at 1:52 PM

According to upinak, it isn’t so much a check as a loan: you have to pay it back.

Count to 10 on October 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

According to upinak, it isn’t so much a check as a loan: you have to pay it back.

Count to 10 on October 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

That would make sense. I mean otherwise you could get a free house in Detroit (where the median home price is $7,100).

MobileVideoEngineer on October 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Real estate turnover only represents activity – which can be either good or bad. It does not indicate GROWTH.

That’s another one of those “greenshoot” fallacies. Seeing the number of houses backed up on the market go down and assuming that, by itself, is a good sign is the fallacy of confusing correlation with causation. It’s like seeing fewer carcasses on the ground and assuming that sign (when not preceded by actual rain) means a drought is about to end. It doesn’t work that way.

That’s the consistently “unexpected” elephant in the living room: lack of economic growth. The only private-sector industry I know of right now that’s experiencing true expansion this calendar year has been firearm sales.

logis on October 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

The cost of the home is just one of the considerations…there is also the tax burden. We have been trying to sell our house in Illinois (we’ve relocated to Alabama) since April. Regardless of how good a “deal” a potential buyer will get, he/she will still have to contend with a $7300 tax burden which figures to over $600 a month. In Alabama that same home would only be taxed at about 1/5 the rate. New homes are being built here!

texabama on October 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

bama’s recession is turning into Obama’s depression.

Johan Klaus on October 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM

But we’ll all have free health care and food stamps while we are living in our cars. And people in the Third World love America again! Isn’t progressive America wonderful?

rockmom on October 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Count to 10 on October 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM

My understanding is the $8,000 will not have to be paid back and the homebuyer can use it to purchase anything they wish. Last year, the $7,500 had to be paid back if the homebuyer was in the house less than 3 years.

yoda on October 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

lorien1973 on October 28, 2009 at 1:29 PM

At least there wasn’t anything to “hit”.

Cindy Munford on October 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

The cost of the home is just one of the considerations…there is also the tax burden. We have been trying to sell our house in Illinois (we’ve relocated to Alabama) since April. Regardless of how good a “deal” a potential buyer will get, he/she will still have to contend with a $7300 tax burden which figures to over $600 a month. In Alabama that same home would only be taxed at about 1/5 the rate. New homes are being built here!

texabama on October 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I think Ed mentioned it before, but one of the significant drawbacks of this bubble-burst is the way that it nails homeowners down in a time when they often need to relocate to follow the jobs.

Count to 10 on October 28, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Third quarter GDP numbers are due out tomorrow, I believe.

crosspatch on October 28, 2009 at 2:01 PM

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