Housing sales drop “unexpectedly”
posted at 12:55 pm on October 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Two economic indicators over the past week indicate that the recovery may have trouble getting off the ground. Today, the Commerce Department reported a sharp drop in sales of new homes after a few months of tepid increases fueled by a tax break. The previous month’s figures also got revised downward by 12,000 sales, or almost 3%:
Sales of new U.S. homes unexpectedly tumbled in September, their first drop in six months, underscoring the hazards to an economic recovery that businesses appeared to be banking on.
New single-family home sales fell 3.6 percent to a 402,000 unit annual pace from a downwardly revised 417,000 units in August, the Commerce Department said on Wednesday. Analysts polled by Reuters had expected sales to rise to a 440,000 unit pace from August’s previously reported 429,000.
A separate report from the Mortgage Bankers Association on Wednesday showed demand for mortgages has fallen for the past three weeks as buyers move to the sidelines ahead of the November 30 expiration of a popular home-buyers’ tax credit.
The biggest mystery is why this result is labeled “unexpected.” First, defaults rose last month, making the sale of new homes less attractive as foreclosures skew the market. More importantly, though, the expiration of the tax break should have made this outcome rather predictable. Just as with Cash for Clunkers, the tax credit did nothing but accelerate sales to people who could already afford to buy. As pointed out yesterday, the temporary prop for housing prices only delayed the inevitable reconciliation between actual value and market value, and stole sales from the future.
Housing contractors didn’t get fooled. As the AP reports, inventory of new homes has hit a 27-year low. Unlike the previous government interventions, the industry did not get suckered into investing a lot of cash into new real estate and construction, foreseeing the outcome of the tax credit’s expiration date. They have over seven months of new-housing sales on the market at this rate, which means they will still have trouble unloading and recovering their investments.
Why? Fewer people have jobs, which means they have fewer potential clients, with or without tax credits. Mass layoffs abated only slightly from August, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported last week:
Employers took 2,561 mass layoff actions in September that resulted in the separation of 248,006 workers, seasonally adjusted, as measured by new filings for unemployment insurance benefits during the month, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Each action involved at least 50 persons from a single employer. …
Among the 4 census regions, the Midwest registered the highest number of initial claims in September due to mass layoffs (38,137), followed by the West (37,480) and the South (28,943). (See table 5.) Initial claims associated with mass layoffs increased over the year in 2 of the 4 regions, with the Midwest experiencing the largest increase (+11,491). In 2009, the Midwest reported its highest September level of average weekly initial claims (9,534) in program history.
In August, mass layoff events increased 24.7% over July. The new number still represents an 18.7% increase over July. Furthermore, these are cumulative. Job losses have not been balanced by job creation, which means that further job losses stack on top of previous job losses, rather than replace the earlier numbers.
Large employers are still shedding jobs, which makes the new-housing sales slump entirely predictable. Instead of tax-credit gimmicks, the government needs to find ways to get out of the way of recovery and allow the private sector to invest and grow.










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Hard to sell houses when you have to pay for them.
Bawny…..oh, Bawny……..
Hening on October 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM
I don’t know if you were around in 1981, but I was. Inflation was running at 12%, taxes were skyrocketing because rates were not indexed for inflation, and mortgage rates were around 12% if you could get one. There were good reasons why nobody was building or buying houses then.
Now we have cheap money, government subsidies, and no inflation, and people STILL aren’t buying houses. You can’t buy a house if you don’t have a job.
rockmom on October 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM
The 2008 7500 “credit” must be repaid over 15 years… the 2009 “credit” does not have to be repaid.
Rule Changes For 2009:
* Qualifying taxpayers who buy a home after December 31, 2008, and before December 1, 2009, can claim a first-time homebuyer credit of 10% of the home’s purchase price, up to $8,000 ($4,000 for married filing separately).
* Qualified 2009 homebuyers do not have to repay the credit, provided the home remains their main home for 36 months after the purchase date.
* Taxpayers who qualify for the 2009 credit can elect to claim the credit either on their 2008 tax return or on their 2009 tax return.
Source: http://www.irs.gov
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM
go double check that. I have been calling the IRS concerning homes, foreclosures etc. You have to pay it like a loan. And it looks like the rules that were for 2008 are going to go for the next round in 2009 and 2010 possibly.
upinak on October 28, 2009 at 2:06 PM
So they’ll be delayed by the same amount as last quarter? Does Obama really think another couple of weeks sitting on the books is going to help him at this stage?
logis on October 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Americans probably aren’t buying houses because they are all racists. /
redwhiteblue on October 28, 2009 at 2:07 PM
God are you STILL pissy about that. Freaking call them if you don’t believe me. They are changing the rules again. Don’t believe me … I really don’t care.
upinak on October 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM
http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc612.html
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Real estate turnover only represents activity – which can be either good or bad. It does not indicate GROWTH.
That’s another one of those “greenshoot” fallacies. Seeing the number of houses backed up on the market go down and assuming that, by itself, is a good sign is the fallacy of confusing correlation with causation. It’s like seeing fewer carcasses on the ground and assuming that sign (when not preceded by actual rain) means a drought is about to end. It doesn’t work that way.
That’s the consistently “unexpected” elephant in the living room: lack of economic growth. The only private-sector industry I know of right now that’s experiencing true expansion this calendar year has been firearm sales.
logis on October 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM
–I think sales of cereal, beer and cheaper wine have also grown this year. Good point on churn vs. growth.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM
Yes
;)
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM
LOL good Lord!
upinak on October 28, 2009 at 2:11 PM
You bolded the wrong part in my opinion.
MobileVideoEngineer on October 28, 2009 at 2:13 PM
As always, I feel the need to remind everyone that this failing economy is NOT due to Obama failing… this is by design, folks. I hope most of you realize what’s going on.
RightWinged on October 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM
FYI, you can also get a credit (which doesn’t have to be repaid, as I understand it) if you make specified energy-efficient improvements to your house. For us in the south, that includes solar shades for your windows, very efficient (and expensive SEER 16) air conditioners, etc.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM
The word “not” is bolded in the original.
That caveat is there to keep people from pocketing the 8 grand only to turn the house over in a quick sale… or it is predicated on the notion that the feds expect a lot of people to default and be $8K in the hole to the government if and when they do.
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM
All of the economists measure housing sales as an economic indicator. But with his Nobel in Economics hanging around his neck, Jimbo3 declares that all the other economists are nuts.
MarkTheGreat on October 28, 2009 at 2:32 PM
People buying lower on the food chain is not evidence that the economy is recovering.
MarkTheGreat on October 28, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Rush is reading articles that say being laid off is good for folks. They are healthier and weigh less (I wonder why) then their peers who were not laid off. Only this media for this president.
Cindy Munford on October 28, 2009 at 2:39 PM
I never used to be a racist but now…
royzer on October 28, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Neither have wholesalers or manufacturers, who are keeping inventory levels of everything at historical lows, rather than get slaughtered by the coming second dip.
Which leads me to think of the Dow, which has risen from 6500 to 10000 since the beginning of March. My only explanation is the pressure of investors who have no good choices for their investments, trying to find the bottom of the recession and catch the full benefit of a recovery, but also knowing that they can probably sell their equities if things turn south again.
Who can explain this better?
Jaibones on October 28, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I’m losing track… housing numbers are useless, unemployment numbers are useless, deficit numbers are useless, auto sales numbers are useless…
So I guess the recovery is well underway!
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 2:50 PM
–I think sales of cereal, beer and cheaper wine have also grown this year. Good point on churn vs. growth.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM
People buying lower on the food chain is not evidence that the economy is recovering.
MarkTheGreat on October 28, 2009 at 2:33 PM
–There are alot of indications that the economy is recovering. The Conference Board’s index of leading indicators, for instance, has been positive for the last six months, suggesting that recovery started in the spring. Job growth tends to lag recovery by about a year.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I am a home builder and developer and I can tell you that this is not unexpected. We have cut inventory dramatically over the last year and have NO plans for expansion. If people dont have jobs, they dont buy houses. Are these people to stupid to know that??
Dr_Irish on October 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM
http://www.conference-board.org/economics/bci/pressRelease_output.cfm?cid=1.
FYI on the leading indicators index.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Republicans in the WH and Legislature helping their buddies on Wall Street!
Actually, I bet Obama’s lousy numbers and the stalling of cap & tax and Obamacare have something to do with it.
Incidentally, if this was happening with the GOP in power… scores of “Dow is up but the workin’ man is down” songs would be pouring out of the music scene.
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Thank you for the information. I talked to a banker the other day and he thought the up to $8,000 was taxable and the 1st time-homebuyer would get the money back as a refund check on the 2009 taxes. He said he wasn’t sure how this was going to work until 2009 was over, so I am glad I am not the only one in the dark.
yoda on October 28, 2009 at 2:53 PM
But the press and the WH have already declared the recovery is here.
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 2:54 PM
DO NOT talk to a banker about this as they are screwing people up left and right. Go talk to a IRS rep. It may take a while but worth the wait.
If I would have done it when i bought my house I would have had the 8K pay back. I didn’t take it as it sounded odd and researched it later. I am glad I did… but the IRS agent I talked to about this year was… odd.
Just make sure to research it when you do buy and do not do your taxes until you know the whole deal.
upinak on October 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I talked with the IRS… you can either claim the credit in 2009 (by filing form 5405 with a 1040X) or wait until 2010. The $8K must be claimed as income in the year the credit is received (so it will be taxed)… but it does not need to be paid back (unless the home is not the main residence of the claimant before 36 months pass).
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Also note, the 2009 1040X filing will take 12-16 weeks to turnaround (on average).
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Considering that Consumer Confidence and housing sales dropped, I have only one obvious reason ..
When the Congress broke for recess at the end of August, many folks figured the health care reform juggernaut had come to a halt .. the danger of the government screwing up the economy seemed to have pasted. optimism ensued .. Consumer Confidence and housing sales went up in September.
But now, with the renewed drive for health care reform, folks are beginning to believe that Congress (and the President) just might screw the economy so bad that it won’t come back any time soon, hence the bad economic numbers.
If the Congress ever gives up on health care reform and goes back to doing annual budgets and such, I expect Consumer Confidence and housing sales to rise again .. and so will the stock market.
J_Crater on October 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Thank you two!!! I found form 5405.
yoda on October 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM
A lot of us have moved on to canned goods and bottled water. It’s still tough getting ammo – and that’s after almost a year of shortages.
Plenty of AR’s and AK’s parts and complete rifles on the market though, probably lots of people selling the extra they bought a few months ago.
Juno77 on October 28, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Anyone who saw the continuing poor trend in loan defaults could have predicted a softening in the home buying market.
Gun and ammunition sales, on the other hand, are doing just fine. I think I’ll stock up on canned food this week, too.
hawksruleva on October 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Government’s solution to this softening in the housing market is clear. They’ll renew the credit for homebuyers, maybe even up the ante on the amount buyers get.
Which will really annoy folks like me who took advantage of the original offer.
Truthfully, I wanted to sit on the sidelines until home prices dropped, but Uncle Sam delayed that market correction. So I figured I might as well get some of my money back out of the system.
hawksruleva on October 28, 2009 at 4:07 PM
You vote for malevolent genius over astounding stupidity? Interesting.
hawksruleva on October 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM
We still have a long way to go before America reaches liberal “Worker’s Paradise” levels of starvation. But we are on that path — and it only goes in one direction.
Individual product brands don’t comprise growth. When people stop buying steak and start buying hamburger; and then stop buying hamburger and start buying barley… that means the food INDUSTRY is sliding. When the country drops down a notch on the food chain, nobody comes out ahead on that deal.
Well, I suppose liberal news media circulation gets a tiny shot in the arm everytime they run a new story about the shocking economic “surprise” of the week. But that’s like a bump in a tobaggan run; it won’t do anything to reverse that general trend.
logis on October 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM
OK…….what, exactly is the reason(s) anyone is honestly expecting a ‘recovery’ in the first place?
Dr. ZhivBlago on October 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM
The drop is “unexpected” because the media
thoughthoped the Messiah would defy economic reality.What’s the over/under on Congress bailing housing out with another tax incentive?
PattyJ on October 28, 2009 at 4:24 PM
My “career adviser” at the unemployment office told me he has seen a lot of folks lose their homes and move away. I asked him where they were going. He said he didn’t know. I said hopefully somewhere warm.
Bozo is doing nothing about growing private sector jobs, or any of the other high priority things he should be doing. Instead he’s campaigning, playing golf and having parties.
dogsoldier on October 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM
The use of the word “unexpectedly” is quite hackneyed in the economic sense.
ted c on October 28, 2009 at 4:58 PM
False hope and/or ignorance.
I predict that Russian Roulette will become America’s new national sport within a decade.
Dark-Star on October 28, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Well, the prices sure haven’t dropped where I live. I was looking the other day. They didn’t give sq. footage but they all looked to be about 1500 sq ft., no garage, no off street parking, a patch of grass in front -maybe, who knows what it in the backyard, old without charm, 2 bedroom, no view – $495,000.
Blake on October 28, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Now, that I think of it 1500 sq ft is too large. Make it about 1200 sq ft.
Blake on October 28, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Analysts are not analysts. Analysts appear to just take previously reported numbers which may or may not be accurate and make a simple extrapolation, say linear. They do the same thing with GDP and the stock market. If the data includes numbers which are only one month old, they are usually unreliable. GDP data are revised for three months, sometimes significantly.
burt on October 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM
…for those who flunked Economics 101.
The rest of us were not surprised.
landlines on October 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM
If we are currently in a recovery, we will most certainly have a double dip. 2010 is not going to be a good year. Expect to hit double digit unemployment within two months and stay there.
burt on October 28, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Chirs Matthews assures me 2010 will be the bestest year ever for the economy. How can I not believe him?
angryed on October 28, 2009 at 7:05 PM
The wayy neighborhood is being over-run by lowlifes, I figure my place will be more like $495.00
Jeff from WI on October 28, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Things will pick up after next November. Hang in there.
Ronnie on October 28, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Three stages of Obama:
Stage One: Get out of the way, let me clean up your mess
Stage Two: Grab a mop and help me clean up your mess
Stage Three: Help! Throw me a life preserver…
Caper29 on October 28, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Jus’ cain’t be. BamBam promised to buy everyone one!
I cringe every time Rush has played the clip of the leech in Detroit being asked: What are you here for? “For the money” What kind of money? “Obama money.” Where does he get the money? “From da guvvamint.” etc. etc.
viking01 on October 29, 2009 at 7:09 AM
Because his grammar sucks?
ya2daup on October 29, 2009 at 8:35 AM
Fixed
ya2daup on October 29, 2009 at 8:39 AM
The economy grew at an annual pace of 3.5 percent in the third quarter, faster than the 3.3 percent increase predicted by economists.
The growth was the best in two years and stops four consecutive quarters of declines.
–Looks like the recovery did begin earlier this year.
Jimbo3 on October 29, 2009 at 9:53 AM
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Someone above asked about the property taxes in Texas. My 40 year old paid off one story 3000 sq. ft. brick veneer El Paso, Texas home is valued at $109504 and the 2009 taxes are $2102–this works out to 1.9% tax rate with over 65 and homestead exemptions. There is no Texas state income tax–Texas sales tax rate is 8.25%.
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My home has a new kitchen–granite countertop, new stainless steel appliances, tile floors, paint, etc. We have a 6 foot high rock wall around most of the house, and decorative iron bars on the doors and windows. It looks like an $800000 Phoenix mansion–which is stucco–and has no bars.
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I have good Hispanic, Oriental, Black, and Gringo neighbors. We have great Mexican and Steak restaurants nearby–a good food store is 2 blocks away–Walmart and Kmart are a mile away. Weather is good–not too hot, not too cold.
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Eat your hearts out, Blue Staters–We are LIVING LARGE IN TEXAS. Enjoy the snow.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on October 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM
This quarter will drop. The news is already bad.
Unless the plan is to run trillion dollar deficits indefinitely, this little blip will be very shortlived once taxes are hiked and spending slashed.
Chuck Schick on October 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Mortgages are more difficult to obtain. Many people have lowered credit scores as they borrowed to keep up.There is a glut of foreclosures
Everyone knows this. It takes a strong stomach to buy a home when houses could drop a lot lower. New buyers could get trapped like the others.
Prices will drop more because boomers have just begun to sell down. Many are holding out for market recovery but eventually they will crack and sell low
The first time buyer home credit was to get new cash into the market. To help the banks cook the books on foreclosure backlog. Homeowners already trapped in mortgages could not use the credit
They are going to be shouting recovery from now until election. How will the ones trapped in the cogs feel about this big lie will be shown on election day
The new homebuyer credit went over like salt in a wound around here.
The Obama mortgage relief program does not consider 2nd mortgages. People in need borrowed on their mortgaged homes. They would meet the formula but cannot count the equity loan or second mortgage. Help went to the ones with too big mortgages, not the ones with backs against the wall
If I was a pol I would stop voting giveaways to facilitate plucking the victims of their last feathers
entagor on October 30, 2009 at 3:52 PM
I’m getting as sick of the word “unexpectedly” as I am of the word “racism.” For the love of Pete, don’t they known ANY other words?
UnderstandingisPower on October 28, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Bad news is always “unexpected” when a Dummycrat is in the WH. (even though we get it almost every day)
Ditto good news when Republican prez is at the helm.
cableguy615 on October 30, 2009 at 8:15 PM
everything is unexpected. maybe we need new experts, they seem to be surprised every month.
uber on October 30, 2009 at 11:24 PM
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