House Dem: I have 40 votes to kill ObamaCare over abortion
posted at 10:55 am on October 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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A follow-up and possible explanation to my previous post comes from The Hill, which reports on the way Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) has made himself into the fly in the ObamaCare ointment. While Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-NC) tries to whip 218 votes out of the Democratic caucus, Stupak claims to control 40 of those votes, thanks to the federal funding of abortions in the House plan. Stupak now threatens to collaborate with Republicans on a procedural motion that will kill ObamaCare for the session unless Henry Waxman (D-CA) and Nancy Pelosi allow an amendment to block all federal funding for abortions:
Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) on Tuesday threatened that he may work with Republicans to torpedo healthcare reform unless he gets a vote to strip abortion-related provisions out of the House bill.
Stupak wants a floor vote on a measure that would prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions. And in an interview on C-SPAN on Tuesday, he suggested if Democratic leaders don’t give him the vote, he’ll work with Republicans.
Stupak said one way or the other, there will be a vote on the abortion language, either “though a rule, or on the floor, or on a motion to recommit.”
A motion to recommit is a parliamentary tool used by the minority in the House to kill legislation. While some Democrats occasionally vote for motions to recommit, it is unusual for Democrats to strategize with Republicans on how best to use the procedural motion.
This could explain why Clyburn comes up short of 200 votes on his whipping efforts. Something is keeping the Democrats from winning a majority in the House, where they face no extraordinary procedural obstacles or requirements for supermajorities, unlike the Senate. The Blue Dogs have complained about the costs of the comprehensive plan, but this is more cut-and-dried for pro-life Democrats like Stupak and some of his allies.
My guess is that Stupak will get his amendment vote. Waxman and Pelosi may catch hell from Planned Parenthood for it, but they’re not going to go anywhere, and Stupak may be able to deliver what he threatens. If Stupak and his Gang of 40 flip to the Republicans on a motion to recommit, the entire health-care overhaul effort could be killed. Pelosi and Waxman can push the Freedom of Choice Act later, an effort they apparently hoped to avoid by stealthily putting it into ObamaCare instead.
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Abort Obamacare
seven on October 28, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Unborn babies deserve life….this bill deserves death.
search4truth on October 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Waterlooooooooo
Hopefully…
MobileVideoEngineer on October 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Liberty and Freedom is Taking hold…….
hawkman on October 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM
One of the racist inducements for a woman to abort a child is lack of financial resources to raise the child.
Abort obama care. We don’t have the money to nurse all the sick, unemployed hypochondriacs that want to abuse free medicine.
seven on October 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Obamacare will be an unwanted parasite on the working class pay checks.
seven on October 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM
The longer this gets drawn out the slimmer the chance of this bill passing.
Mord on October 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM
God Bless Bart Stupak. (wait, did I just say that about a democrat??? /)
OmahaConservative on October 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Another great thing about this fiasco is that it has delayed other parts of the vile Obama agenda and as a consequence, most of it won’t be enacted prior to the Democrats losing their majority in 2010.
Lame duck. One-term. Sweet sounds.
NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 11:01 AM
ObamaCare is a festering boil on America’s A$$ that needs to be lanced.
OmahaConservative on October 28, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Something good coming out of Michigan. Go figure.
WashJeff on October 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Stealing someone else’s money to save one’s own life is bad enough, but to steal money to kill a life is disgusting!
OldEnglish on October 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Very possible but I think there is more going on here.
This may be a “faux” issue – covering for something deeper that people don’t want to talk about – like … this whole bill is just bad.
HondaV65 on October 28, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Ed, I believe Clyburn is from SC.
LastRick on October 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM
This whole bill is a horror and I don’t care how they kill it, I just am grateful that people are standing up and calling a spade a spade.
ORconservative on October 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I think so. Nancy will roll over on the abortion issue, if that’s what it takes, but I’m sensing a red herring here.
a capella on October 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM
RAAAAAAAAACIST!!!!!
CDeb on October 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM
But…but abortion is irrelevant…just ask the New Majority…
Chris_Balsz on October 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Not to nitpick, but Clyburn is from that racist SC that still flies the Confederate Flag on state capitol grounds. . . and picked Obama in the primary.
ThackerAgency on October 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM
OboobaCare is an abortion, so its only fitting that abortion would be its demise.
Here’s hoping our next president is a patriot.
Akzed on October 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Imagine if something as tiny and insignificant to liberals ends up killing the bill, an unborn fetus.
fourdeucer on October 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM
CDeb on October 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM
eenie meenie miny mo………….whatever.
ORconservative on October 28, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Call me a pessimist, but I’m still betting this bill passes with something in it to kill private insurance. They’ll add the amendment to prohibit abortion if necessary.
They’re determined to take control of health care one way or another. All other considerations are secondary.
Daggett on October 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Not that it needed fixing, but the scope was a little narrow for me.
Fishoutofwater on October 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Agreed, the blue dogs are scared to death and just want the bill to go away. It will be interesting to see how this plays out because libs like their abortion.
farright on October 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM
The Senate Finance Committee bill has provisions that prohibit government funds from being used to pay for abortions (sorry for the numbers, but I cut and pasted off the Senate website).
‘‘(b) PROHIBITION OF USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS.—
14 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—If a qualified health bene-
fits plan provides coverage of services described in
16 subsection (a)(2)(A), the offeror of the plan shall
17 not use any amount attributable to any of the fol18
lowing for purposes of paying for such services:
19 ‘‘(A) The credit under section 36B(b) of
20 the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (and the
21 amount of the advance payment of the credit
22 under section 2248 of the Social Security Act).
23 ‘‘(B) Any cost-sharing subsidy under section 2247.
1 ‘‘(2) SEGREGATION OF FUNDS.—In the case of
2 a plan to which paragraph (1) applies, the offeror of
3 the plan shall, out of amounts not described in para4
graph (1), segregate an amount equal to the actu5
arial amounts determined under paragraph (3) for
6 all enrollees from the amounts described in para7
graph (1).
It also contains some similar language to ensure that any subsidies aren’t used to pay for plans that provide assisted suicide:
(a) PROTECTING AMERICANS AND ENSURING TAX10
PAYER FUNDS IN GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE PLANS
DO NOT SUPPORT OR FUND PHYSICIAN-ASSISTED SUI12
CIDE.—The Federal Government, and any State or local
government or health care provider that receives Federal
financial assistance under this Act (or under an amend15
ment made by this Act) or any health plan created under
this Act (or under an amendment made by this Act), shall
not pay for or reimburse any health care entity to provide
for any health care item or service furnished for the pur19
pose of causing, or for the purpose of assisting in causing,
the death of any individual, such as by assisted suicide,
euthanasia, or mercy killing.
The issue that Bart seems to be pushing is to prohibit government funds from being paid for any reason to plans that allow abortion, even if the funds themselves are not used for that purpose.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 11:20 AM
A little more accurate.
WashJeff on October 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Good fix. Thanks.
OmahaConservative on October 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Yes.
Because money is fungible and Democrats always lie.
NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Since when is an abortion a healthcare issue. In some cases it maybe a healthcare life saving issue but, the majority of the time it is NOT it is a birth control issue and we are not responsible to pay for it!
xler8bmw on October 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Obama….its all I ever hear about. The idiot is on tv right now as I write this….man! that name makes me sick!
royzer on October 28, 2009 at 11:30 AM
FIFY
CDeb on October 28, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Thank goodness… the rocket launch just gave me a reprive from that Idiot.
royzer on October 28, 2009 at 11:31 AM
My reading is that this is a very sure 40 votes, which is, indeed, causing Pelosi a headache.
AnninCA on October 28, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Personal mandate and public option out, abortion out. Hmmmm is Obamunistcare crumbling? I hope so!
dogsoldier on October 28, 2009 at 11:32 AM
So, NoDonkey, if I don’t agree with the Baptist church, should I require that no Medicare funds be paid to Baptist hospitals, because a portion of those funds will likely be used for relgious purposes?
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM
I don’t think the Democrats can fold on abortion, just as they cannot fold on a public option. The entire intent of their plan is to take away our freedoms, and the price they have to pay to gain their power is the death of innocents.
Yes, I think they’ve sold their souls in return for power.
bonnie_ on October 28, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Thank you, Rep Stupak. This reminds me of finally putting the murderous Al Capone in prison over tax evasion! By any means necessary…
From Bart’s mouth/pen to God’s ears!
rhbandsp on October 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Ummmm. Democrats already have done such a thing. Or am I completely imagining the brouhaha over Faith Based Initiatives?
CDeb on October 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Sorry, I read “require” as “pitch a fit.” My bad.
CDeb on October 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM
No, you should not be forced through your taxes to pay for something you don’t believe in….thats the whole point.
Mord on October 28, 2009 at 11:39 AM
I’m sure the feminists will choose to abort this bill on the same rational that was used to argue RvW.
Remember “Keep your Laws out of My Uterus”? They were pretty adamant about the sovereign rights of the individual when it came to health care choices. This is the same thing..the government has no right to make choices for you where health care is concerned. Health insurance is a choice. “Keep Your Laws Out of MY Choices”.
Itchee Dryback on October 28, 2009 at 11:39 AM
I still don’t see how an “elective” procedure is allowed in an insurance policy.
Can you imagine if made a claim on your auto policy to upgrade to satellite radio, not because your radio broke or was stolen. It is working just as it is expected to, but because you want something else.
Babies are the product of a disease or accident, they are a product of the body working just as anticipated (I really wanted to say intellegently designed.)
barnone on October 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM
What portion is that?
Itchee Dryback on October 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Babies are NOT the product of
OOPS…
barnone on October 28, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Alt. headline:
Blue Dogs Abort Obamacare
profitsbeard on October 28, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Faith based initiatives are different from Medicare.
But I think saying that no federal or state funds should be paid to any organization that has activities that you disagree with, even if those funds aren’t used for those activities, will cause real problems for hospitals and churches, among others.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 11:43 AM
still don’t see how an “elective” procedure is allowed in an insurance policy.
Can you imagine if made a claim on your auto policy to upgrade to satellite radio, not because your radio broke or was stolen. It is working just as it is expected to, but because you want something else.
Babies are the product of a disease or accident, they are a product of the body working just as anticipated (I really wanted to say intellegently designed.)
barnone on October 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM
–Almost all procedures covered by insurance are considered “elective” if medically required. You wouldn’t have to go to the doctor for a shot or drugs if you had the flu, so that would be considered elective.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Look on the bright side Nancy–those kiddos could one day grow up and vote Democrat….
ted c on October 28, 2009 at 11:45 AM
because a portion of those funds will likely be used for relgious purposes?
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM
What portion is that?
Itchee Dryback on October 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM
–Most hosptials have prayer rooms and pastors/priests/whatever on duty for critical situations.
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 11:46 AM
The life you save, could one day vote for you.
ted c on October 28, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I’ve thought for a while that the centrist Dems would be perfectly happy for this beast to simply go away. In fact, I think that the whole “push” for the PO recently from Reid/Pelosi show that they’re swinging for the fence so that if it dies, then they can at least preserve their left flank. If they water it down to nothing and then lose it, then they’re screwed from both the center and the left. The fact that they don’t have a bill yet 3 weeks from Thanksgiving shows some real electoral weakness on their part. Their only hope is to jam something through because once the details become known then it may simply die on it’s own.
volnation on October 28, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Stay safe, sir. Stay safe.
SouthernGent on October 28, 2009 at 11:50 AM
there is no funding for abortion. Obama said so, so it must be true.
Phoenician on October 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM
FIFY
MikeA on October 28, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Democrats have majorities of both houses of Congress and the White House. That their own party does not have concensus proves just how bad this legislation is and how scared the Congressional delegation is that the town halls of August 09 will soon be the campaign debates of 2010.
highhopes on October 28, 2009 at 11:58 AM
You forgot:
Mmmm Mmmmmm Mmmmmm
highhopes on October 28, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Yeah… for the sake of us in NC… please fix.
We have enough wacko leftists as it is.
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 12:01 PM
It is impossibe to reconcille this piece of news with the lies and misinformation meme coming from camp Obama. Additionaly, people take notice when they are lied to.
jhffmn on October 28, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I’m beginning to wonder if there is so much threatening and strong-arming of the blue dog/centrist Dems that they are secretly wanting this to be Obama’s Waterloo, too.
After all, Rahm Emanuel recruited the ones who were newly elected in 2008 based solely on the fact that they really were acceptable to moderate Republicans. Otherwise, they could not have won in districts that McCain carried.
One of the ways Emanuel was able to do this was to recruit some pro-life Dems who would pass the muster for more conservative voters.
I can hope against hope that maybe they fear they are losing the Democratic Party they knew and that the Don’t. Like. It.
Greyledge Gal on October 28, 2009 at 12:02 PM
It’s not just that Obama is the most aggressive supporter of slaughtering innocent humans after they’re born, it’s that he is so cold-hearted and calloused about arbitrarilly taking precious innocent life. This is a frightenly immoral man to be the nation’s leader, Notre Dame’s leaders honoring him, notwithstanding.
Don L on October 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Obama released a statement on this issue:
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM
He may be a Democrat but at least he’s not a raving liberal, baby-killing lunatic.
Big John on October 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM
There’s some “change” I can support.
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM
So Joe Wilson was right? I know a little bit about Stupak from having family in the U.P. There’s much I don’t agree with him on, but I really respect the guys committment on the abortion issue. I’m sure he’s a real pain for the leftwingers to deal with. I’m sure Pelosi can’t stand the guy. They don’t want to be troubled with this, much like Obama doesn’t want his daughters to be “punished with a baby” if they make a mistake, but you can’t always just ignore your problems away.
stldave on October 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Hey Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. You have no consensus. Leave health care and this cap and trade nonsense alone!!!
jack herman on October 28, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Yep. I know, hence the sarc tag.
OmahaConservative on October 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM
It would appear that Rep. Bart Stupak takes his Roman Catholic faith seriously, unlike the many apostates/heretics littering congress who *claim* to be of the RC faith. God Bless him.
OmahaConservative on October 28, 2009 at 12:45 PM
If Harry Reid took his LDS faith seriously, he wouldn’t be supporting abortion either.
But I bet he’s blowing a gasket over Rep. Bart Stupak right now…
Conservative Samizdat on October 28, 2009 at 12:55 PM
It would appear that Rep. Bart Stupak takes his Roman Catholic faith seriously, unlike the many apostates/heretics littering congress who *claim* to be of the RC faith. God Bless him.
OmahaConservative on October 28, 2009
Unlike Indiana’s Joe Donnelly who is just looking for a semantic rock to hide behind so that he can vote for this and still strut his sorry a$$ through St. Anthony’s on Sunday.
SKYFOX on October 28, 2009 at 1:07 PM
You have 40 votes to leverage against Rahm, which you will use to garner “assurances”, a fixit amendment and cover to vote no with just enough Poodles to guarantee passage of ObamaCare.
You are a Democrat. You believe in big-government solutions to problems. If you didn’t, you wouldn’t be caucusing with Democrats and taking their money for your campaigns.
spmat on October 28, 2009 at 1:17 PM
So that’s why he’s a Democrat?
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM
As a citizen from the 1st CD in Michigan, Stupak is my Representative in the House. I have been very pleasantly surprised that he has taken such a bold and truthful stand against Obama’s monstrosity and the abomination of abortion. Before this I could not stand Stupak, who appeared to pay little to no attention to his constituents but this has changed things. Just goes to show you…
I expect that Stupak will go back to his previous ways after this though. He is a Dem, after all. We will have to wait and see. But this is good news. We must defeat the Obama Agenda here.
Shogun144 on October 28, 2009 at 1:23 PM
That’s not true, and really misleading. Say I had an infection. The doctor tried an antibiotic injection, but the infection got worse. Surgery is the only option. Your saying the surgery is ‘elective’? BS.
Flu shots before you have the flu is elective. Anti-viral shots after you get the flu, and your tempurature hits 105 deg. is not elective.
Plastic surgery to get bigger breasts is elective. Plastic surgery to restore breasts after a masectomy is not elective.
What’s going on in your mind?
Phil-351 on October 28, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Phil, here are two definitions from medical dictionaries. Insurance plans cover elective procedures if they are needed for medical/health reasons (as opposed to purely cosmetic reasons).
Elective: In medicine, something chosen (elected). An elective procedure is one that is chosen (elected) by the patient or physician that is advantageous to the patient but is not urgent.
Elective surgery is decided by the patient or their doctor. The procedure is seen as beneficial but not absolutely essential at that time.
—————-
Definition
An elective surgery is a planned, non-emergency surgical procedure. It may be either medically required (e.g., cataract surgery), or optional (e.g., breast augmentation or implant) surgery.
Read more: http://www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/Ce-Fi/Elective-Surgery.html#ixzz0VG5qvaQA
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 3:01 PM
This is OT (and I do apologize for that, Ed and Allah), but it’s too good not to share:
“Texas has no shortage of amazing criminal justice stories. Here’s the latest to hit my radar screen: State law says it’s OK to show pornography to children — as long as they’re your children and the stuff is otherwise legal (no kiddie porn, in other words).
Now a Panhandle prosecutor wants the Texas attorney general’s office to check his reading of the penal code section on showing harmful material to minors. An AG’s spokesman said the matter is under review and declined further comment.
Randall County District Attorney James Farren’s request grew out of a divorced Dallas-area woman’s experience. Her three grade-school-aged daughters were living with their dad earlier this year when he allegedly got liquored up late one night and showed two of them porn on his computer. They later told a counselor, who alerted authorities. Amarillo police investigated, found the girls believable and sought advice from the DA’s office before proceeding.
Farren concluded that that his hands were tied. No search warrant ever got issued, so there’s been no independent look at evidence.
“We have to convince the Legislature to review this issue,” Farren told me.
State Sen. Bob Deuell, a Republican from Greenville, said he will push for change in the next legislative session.
“It’s not going to be an easy issue,” he warned. Why? There will be talk that the state is trying to dictate what parents can teach their children.
Such concerns influenced the writing of the law in 1973, said former state Sen. Tati Santiesteban. The El Paso Democrat, who still practices criminal defense law, said he chaired the subcommittee that did the writing.
“Our discussion was about the invasion of privacy into the home” and “being a parent and wanting to teach my child about sex,” he told me. “Who in the hell is the government to come and tell me what I can show to my children?”
Sexual material that parents show their children needs to have a legitimate educational purpose, said Deuell, who’s a family practice physician.”
Jimbo3 on October 28, 2009 at 3:26 PM
[O/T] but not really . . .
Here’s some napalm for this fire:
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/10/company-uses-aborted-fetal-tissue-in-anti-aging-cream/
NOW this could start a lively debate or two on the House Floor.
Just what the doctor ordered.
CPT. Charles on October 28, 2009 at 3:38 PM