Hmmm: Hoffman ducks debate with Scozzafava and Owens
posted at 9:54 pm on October 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
I suspect the stated reason and the real reason are two different things, but whichever it is, this is lame. The only good reason to duck a debate is if you’re so far ahead of your opponent that the risk of showing up and stumbling into a bad answer is greater than the expected gain from showing up and doing well. That’s not the case with Hoffman; while Scozzafava may have faded, there’s no question that he and the Democrat, Bill Owens, are neck and neck. (In fact, Rove thinks Owens is likely to win.) So what gives?
Douglas Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, was in Plattsburgh on Wednesday but didn’t attend the forum in E. Glenn Giltz Auditorium at Plattsburgh State.
Republican Dierdre “Dede” Scozzafava and Democrat William Owens both participated, before a crowd of about 400 people…
It was covered by about a dozen media outlets from local, regional and national operations…
Rob Ryan, Hoffman’s campaign spokesman, made comments to the Press-Republican about 30 minutes before the event that suggested North Country Public Radio’s involvement was the reason Hoffman did not attend.
“North Country Public Radio is the perfect venue to decide who is the most liberal candidate in the race,” Ryan said, adding that Hoffman would participate in a televised debate in Syracuse today.
Really? He was wary of taking questions from an adversarial outlet? That sounds like Obama’s argument against Fox News. Or … was he worried that he’d be asked more questions about local issues that he couldn’t answer, so he decided to minimize the risk by skipping tonight’s debate and focusing on tomorrow’s instead? I’d still vote for him over Scozzafava but I’m starting to see why party bosses might have felt uncomfortable nominating him instead of her.
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He’s done.
Knucklehead on October 28, 2009 at 9:56 PM
He’ll be in a 3-way debate tomorrow.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Dude. Not smart. But still, let’s hope the guy performs like a champion tomorrow and overcomes what happened tonight. This is a momentum killer.
victor82 on October 28, 2009 at 9:58 PM
ouch. Do we have to apologize to Newt now?
ctmom on October 28, 2009 at 9:59 PM
You live in this district?
TimeTraveler on October 28, 2009 at 9:59 PM
No. I’m speaking hypothetically. I support him over her.
Allahpundit on October 28, 2009 at 9:59 PM
Heard Hoffman on O’Reilly the other night. Not a brilliant orator. He probably shouldn’t talk much.
swede7 on October 28, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Actually, it was a snooze-fest.
The contrast with tomorrow’s debate should effectively show that it’s a race between the D/R twins, and Hoffman.
Or at least that’s the plan.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Ouch.
stackedeck on October 28, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Is he taking strategy advice from Sarah Palin?
simplesimon on October 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Actually, that’s only one of many good reasons to duck a debate.
“When, where and how often?” is a hotly debated topic (pardon the pun) in the strategy rooms of every campaign.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I’d still support him. He’s not versed on local issues, but that doesn’t mean he can’t do his homework, and do the job.
capejasmine on October 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Considering that there is another debate tomorrow, skipping this one doesn’t seem like that big of a deal.
johnt on October 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Bill Owen’s wife Jane Owens is on the executive staff of the same PBS station that is moderating the debate.
cubachi on October 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Well Obama is supposedly a great orator and look at what a dolt he turned out to be. Maybe these things aren’t mutually exclusive.
daveinguelph on October 28, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Maybe radio is not his best forum and best not do a Nixon in 1960 and give the others ammo; plus save his arguments for TV.
Branch Rickey on October 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM
If he’s already scheduled for a debate tomorrow, what’s the big deal he’s not doing this one? How many different questions could there really be?
Orange Doorhinge on October 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Yawn. This was worthy of a main post?
Sorry, but I don’t see anyone getting worked about it. Except perhaps a few die-hard RINOs….Oh wait
Norwegian on October 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Maybe he’s a Yankee’s fan…
.. I hear there is a game on tonight.
Seven Percent Solution on October 28, 2009 at 10:08 PM
the conservative party of NY is not a high octane operation (check their website), so i’m not suprised that hoffman is not up to speed in being a politician.
but maybe the local R’s will be more careful next time and avoid a trainwreck of an election
r keller on October 28, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Yeah, they’re RINO’s.
csdeven on October 28, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Doug Hoffman scores a self-goal. Unless he does really well in tomorrows debate, the outsider candidate label will stick to him from now,till the rest of the campaign.
I am sorry but if outsider candidates do not have good communication skills and the boldness to take on an adverserial forum, they should not bother running for office. I am afraid that this is going to undercut the Tea Party grassroots movement if Hoffman continues to defeat himself.
I feel bad for Sarah Palin – and Newt seems to have come out looking better after all the heat he took.
But if Dede is the best that the GOP can do, it is in an EVEN WORSE position than what i thought.
nagee76 on October 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Seriously…you know Allah..If he isn’t dumping on some conservative new hero then he’s not happy… LOL
Dritanian on October 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Why hold him to a higher standard than the President of the United States…?
Seven Percent Solution on October 28, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Wow, AP wanting to come off the conservative? Have you seen this woman talk? AP, Why am I not surprised?
aigle on October 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM
He and the Democrat are basically dead even in the polls, and here’s a golden opportunity to hammer the guy on fiscal conservatism before an audience — and he passes on it?
Why?
Allahpundit on October 28, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Good lord, it ain’t that big a deal.
Get real.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:14 PM
The whole country says YAWN. The whole country has been saying YAWN for ten years. What planet are you from?
It’s like the Jurassic media, who cares what they do or say?
Who even pays attention. NewsBusters is the ultimate time saving web site.
Blacksmith8 on October 28, 2009 at 10:15 PM
So what? A big to do over nothing. Apologize to Newt? I don’t think so. He can take his RINO and cross the aisle as far as I’m concerned. No, Hoffman’s not a great orator. I want a good man in office, not a poser or slick willie.
texanpride on October 28, 2009 at 10:16 PM
This decision was made a while back. That’s what Dede’s hilarious photo-op in front of Hoffman’s campaign HQ was all about.
“Hoffman refuses to debate me!!!11!!!eleventy!!111!!”
Remember?
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Hoffman’s chances of winning seem to be more aligned with how well he can get out the vote rather than how well he can get this message across. Scozzafava is so liberal that Hoffman doesn’t need to do much to differentiate himself.
johnt on October 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Allah, the woman who is in charge of the station moderating the debate is the wife of Bill Owens.
Isn’t that a big deal?
cubachi on October 28, 2009 at 10:17 PM
I imagine it wasn’t much of a debate. It was Radio, and a PBS station to boot, so only the RINOs and leftists will be listening. Given the stances of both the candidates who were there, it was likely that the moderator would have had to consistently remind the audience which one was the Democrat and which the Republican, since there is no real political difference between those two gasbags.
Doug was probably wise to stay away from what would’ve been a trap game-plan for him anyway.
AW1 Tim on October 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Bottom line from the majority of the comments: heads in the sand.
Let’s hope he puts in a smashing performance on the next one. He’d better.
Black Yoshi on October 28, 2009 at 10:18 PM
This is a stupid post.
shomegirl on October 28, 2009 at 10:19 PM
If I recall correctly, Scozzafava previously declined several debate invites with Hoffman. Also as already posted he’ll be in a debate tomorrow with all three candidates.
Missing today’s debates are much ado about nothing.
RJL on October 28, 2009 at 10:19 PM
This is approaching “concern troll” levels.
Really.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Oh, and from the photo-op:
Remember the “stop lying” sign?
Yeah, that was about Dede’s lies concerning Hoffman’s supposed failure to debate.
Guess she won that propaganda round, at least with Allahpundit.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:22 PM
I don’t think Hoffman wins. Unfortunately Owens probably will, and you can bet the media will skip right past McDonnell’s potentially huge victory in VA to focus on a GOP district going Dem. That’d be a real shame, too…I almost think our side has been giving this race too much attention.
changer1701 on October 28, 2009 at 10:22 PM
Uh huh. Meanwhile, if Scozzafava had ducked it and Hoffman had shown, there’d be 200 comments already about what a disgraceful cowardly RINO she is.
Allahpundit on October 28, 2009 at 10:22 PM
How is her strategy flawed?
massrighty on October 28, 2009 at 10:23 PM
well Hoffman has been gaining in the polls lately so I can see why he wouldn’t want to do anything to harm that. It make perfect sense politically. AND he’s going to be in a debate tomorrow. So your little melt down is all drama and no substance.
Seriously Allah… you are going out of your way to find a problem with this. People like you are the worst friends the GOP/Republicans/Conservatives/Right can have.
Ampersand on October 28, 2009 at 10:25 PM
texanpride on October 28, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Is this before or after you dump on GW Bush for “not articulating his case?”
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 10:26 PM
OH FOR THE LOVE OF PETE………….give this dude bigger “yes I said bigger” ears, dress him in sissy jeans, teach him we have 57 states, get a phyiscal therapist that can teach him to bend at the waist and bow and get him a printing press… HERO!
and to all you concerned with perfect paragraphs….yes I failed.
proudteadrinker on October 28, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Scozzafava, if she moved right, would be a disgraceful cowardly RINO. As it is, she’s a disgraceful cowardly Democrat.
progressoverpeace on October 28, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I’ll take the conservative over the lib and lib-lite.
How Hoffman chooses to allocate his resources is up to him.
profitsbeard on October 28, 2009 at 10:28 PM
“… I’m starting to see why party bosses might have felt uncomfortable nominating him instead of her.”
I don’t think there was a question of one or the other. Was he ever considered?
rrpjr on October 28, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Or, this post opens a conversation about strategic and tactical decisions made by a candidate in a unique race.
If you don’t want to play, go somewhere else – AP and Ed post a variety of material for us to comment on.
massrighty on October 28, 2009 at 10:29 PM
This decision was made in the context of a longer argument about debate schedules.
To wit:
Link
If you don’t know the context, you can’t comment intelligently. Do a little research.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM
ROVE IS A RINO…..NEWT IS A RINO
Hoffman? What I’ve seen and heard is he’s not a professional slick politician. So yes, by all means let’s get more Congressmen in D.C. that are the slick pol type.
As for Rove? Why discount him? MMMMMM, one word…..BUSH.
The GOP needs to be DE-BUSHED, let’s clean all this namby-pamby “compassionate” sissy conservatism out of the party and get some cajones and start defending Conservative principles!!!
PappyD61 on October 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Ampersand on October 28, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Sorry, Allah is not the GOP’s/conservative movement’s problem right now. The real problem is too many people are willing to call a good conservative Republican a RINO/DIABLO at the first sign of saying something that goes against the daily Rush Limbaugh (note who I didn’t say) talking points. These are the same people who think “Reagan’s 11th Commandment” applies to non-Republicans, and think that merely a good TV/Internet media game can replace things like, oh, working your way up in the GOP ranks.
Rush Limbaugh has made a lot of money “milking the cash cow” audience that grew old with him (the average age of a Rush listener is somewhere around 60). Too bad he shows no interest in wanting to win.
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Hey, Allah’s right. There’d be more “Newtie’s a fool!” than you could shake a stick at if Dede Scuzzyfavor had been the name in the headline.
He should have thrown the bullsh*t flag and said, “There’s already a scheduled debate with ALL parties tomorrow and I look forward to kicking some party booty, although had Ms. ScuzzyFuzzy been serious beFORE her grandstanding mishap, I might of considered it”, vice a weak a$$ weasel-out like that.
Old boy needs to muzzle the hired help.
tree hugging sister on October 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM
PappyD61 on October 28, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Yes, let’s defend those strong Conservative principles. I’ll do so, right when I find one that’s stood the test of time.
So, is baiting immigrants a “strong Conservative principle?” That goes back to at least the 1920s, so it meets the “test of time” test.
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Do you just copy and paste this tripe into every thread, regardless of applicability?
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM
So, the guy’s ducking out of one but participating in another? I don’t see what the big deal is.
ddrintn on October 28, 2009 at 10:41 PM
I don’t think there is any. Allah’s just being Allah.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:42 PM
ALLAHP MIGHT AS WELL BE A FRICK RINO
reliapundit on October 28, 2009 at 10:42 PM
EPIC FAIL Allah.
I usually respect your opinion but you are waaaaay off base here.
Why debate tonight? He has one tomorrow, on TV — why do a radio debate the night of game 1 of the NYYankees world series?
Did Bob Casey suffer when he refused to debate Santorum?
WHen you’re up like this, show up in patches.
I’m surprised you don’t see it this way.
battleoflepanto1571 on October 28, 2009 at 10:43 PM
The problem is that too many people are all about the big tent… as long as they aren’t to conservative. Too many people like you and Allah see tearing down conservatives as the best way to further the conservative movement.
I went to the Regan Presidential Library yesterday. It was amazingly inspirational. All his speeches are relevant to today.
Your post seems even more idiotic after that.
Ampersand on October 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Nice, tough response.
All this means nothing, but to please AP:
Hoffman is a disgraceful cowardly RINO!
True_King on October 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Nice strawman you’ve got there – just in time for Halloween.
Looking for a Strong conservative principal?
How about this:
1. America is an exceptional country.
2. Government is too large and intrusive.
massrighty on October 28, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Um… what do we know about the public radio station? Maybe it’s a sleeze bag outfit that would have played so dirty that attending would have been a bad move. Maybe the audience is so small that it’s a waste of time. Maybe it’s audience is so hard left that none of them would be swayed to vote for Hoffman. And you also miss the point that Hoffman was never considered for the race by the GOP. It was between Scuzzy and some other conservative. Hoffman entered the race when he saw the hard left monster the GOP were running.
chicagojedi on October 28, 2009 at 10:45 PM
So the guy ducks a debate probably because the democratic opponent is married to executive staff at the station-PBS mind you. So who’s even going to be listening other than whiny liberals? Seems like a trap to me. I don’t know much about Doug Hoffman, doesn’t sound like he’s a very good speaker but as long as he’s conservative and sticks to conservative principles I would vote for him if I were in that district. We don’t need more used car salesmen, we need more accountants!
Alfresco on October 28, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Meow.
Real Conservatives Love Debate.
Doug, what is going on?
Mr. Joe on October 28, 2009 at 10:50 PM
If Owens ends up winning this then a lot of Republicans are going to learn why you don’t get involved in battles like these.
The powers that be in that district will never support Hoffman after he had the temerity to challenge them like this.
They will guarantee that he never holds that seat.
Owens will sit in that seat until he retires or resigns.
Jdripper on October 28, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Allahpundit, so a conflict of interesting isn’t good enough for you?
therightscoop on October 28, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Maybe he was out getting his teeth bleached. You’d think one of you compassionate christians would hook the man up with some Crest white strips at least! Sheesh…it’s one thing to represent you flat-earthers but does he have to look like Peoria’s finest too?
Good4Onan on October 28, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Do you bother to read, or do you just spew snark?
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:54 PM
I’m a Christian, but I don’t believe the earth is flat.
battleoflepanto1571 on October 28, 2009 at 10:55 PM
So be it, if the alternative is having yet another liberal Republican. At least you can count on someone with a D after his/her name.
ddrintn on October 28, 2009 at 10:56 PM
There’s some incisive wit, to be sure. Glad to know you’re keeping track of the truly important issues.
What color’s the Obama stain on your trousers?
Yeah, I’m just assuming, given your screen name.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Funny, and i thought the ‘strong arming ethnic minorities in northern cities, telling them how to vote by threats and intimidation’ was a DEMOCRATIC MACHINE thing
battleoflepanto1571 on October 28, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Jdripper on October 28, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Or until the seat gets redistricted. Which will likely happen as soon as 2012 (NY is programmed to lose 2 House seats in the next reapportionment).
Makes one wonder why all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over a seat that has a short shelf life.
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Pfffft. That might be easier to fix than Mrs O’s underbite, ya think?
ddrintn on October 28, 2009 at 10:57 PM
And it is smart politics. The Democrats didn’t get control of the government by answering hard questions…
18-1 on October 28, 2009 at 10:57 PM
A+
beachgirlusa on October 28, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Agreed.
omnipotent on October 28, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Meh. You try, you lose, someone else tries next time. What’s the big deal?
Eventually, we’ll get it right.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Missing from the story is WHEN was Hoffman invited to this debate? For all we know, they decided to invite him at the last possible minute.
Obviously a far more important debate.
And looking at the commentary introducing this story, and others over time, it is beginning to appear that Allahpundit is a ‘beltway’ Republican.
Freddy on October 28, 2009 at 10:59 PM
battleoflepanto1571 on October 28, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Hey, Vdare and Peter Brimelow keep telling me this is a conservative thing, and a good reform man like Hiram Johnson (CA) pushed anti-Japanese immigration “reform” in the 1920s.
Nice try at shifting blame, though. You’ve taking certain Lefty tactics to heart.
BradSchwartze on October 28, 2009 at 11:01 PM
I was giving it the serious Uh Oh until I read these. Thanks
- The Cat
MirCat on October 28, 2009 at 11:02 PM
For starters, I think this is simply a non-issue. There’s plenty of debates and he’s signed on for some of them. Just not this one.
Then there’s the issue of Bill Owens’s wife being the moderator. There’s a difference between ducking an adversarial situation (which I think is cowardly) and simply not walking into a trap. Methinks this is an example of the latter and not the former.
It’s one thing to walk into a debate that might be biased towards the other guy. It’s another thing to talk into a debate that’s flat out rigged. Hoffman’s got the right idea here.
Chaz706 on October 28, 2009 at 11:06 PM
From what I have heard, Hoffman is not at the top of the list of people that I’d choose to argue for the issues. But how important is that when he shares my position on the issues? I think the fact he’s going to debate tomorrow makes this less of an issue than it would be otherwise.
So this guy is getting an unbelievable amount of hype, and he probably isn’t the type of spokesman that is going to be able to take it and seize the opportunity. Doesn’t matter, that’s not the main reason the opportunity is there in the first place. He can still win with a respectable showing tomorrow, it sounds like, and crossing the finish line is all that matters.
stldave on October 28, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Definitely an “It’s a trap!” moment. Hoffman didn’t duck a debate, he most likely dodged a setup. Now we have to wait a whole day to hear him debate! Oh no!
Exit question: Is AP getting his panties in a twist because Palin endorsed him?
Dongemaharu on October 28, 2009 at 11:10 PM
simplesimon, I asked you in a different thread a while back if you would have reasonable, rational debate with us and treat us with common decency and respect you’ll be treated the same by us. You never bothered to answer. Surely you’re mature enough to do that, you could prove it once and for all if only you’d choose to.
beachgirlusa on October 28, 2009 at 11:11 PM
What is Hoffman isn’t the best person to argue conservative values….. but he is the best person to vote conservative values?
Ampersand on October 28, 2009 at 11:13 PM
As he will be on television for a debate tomorrow, part of me wants to say, “No big deal.” But another part of me thinks, “Doug! As much exposure as possible!” I personally have never listened to a debate via radio, to me it’s much more interesting to see body language. However, I saw his interview on Beck, soaring orator he is not. But he sounds sincere, and if he can get across his reasons for running, i.e. the economy, the spending, etc. I think he might be okay. Then again, I’m no political analyst.
TOTALLY OT but…GO PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!!
Annietxgrl on October 28, 2009 at 11:15 PM
His union contract clearly states that he is not required to provide intelligent debate (“content” is the word used in the contract). He is paid by the post.
Unless and until management (Valerie Jarrett) ups his pay grade, he will be unable to honor that request, as per union rules.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Have you mixed up the HA comments for Twitter again?
rinohumper on October 28, 2009 at 11:19 PM
many years from now an anthropologist will unearth this thread and it will be seen as a classic Allah hissy fit. They will study it as a perfect example of the RINO of the early 21st century.
Ampersand on October 28, 2009 at 11:19 PM
The “debate” debate began as soon as Hoffman announced his candidacy. Scozzafava ducked a half dozen debates, thinking she was the front runner. She and Owens have pushed this distraction for weeks. It was the source of the goofy Scozzafava photo-op in front of Hoffman’s office last week.
They will all debate tomorrow.
Allah’s opinions are, in this case, ignorant at best.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 11:20 PM
There are easily a hundred other reasons to call Dede Scozzafava a disgraceful cowardly RINO. Her public profession of support for Card Check and her acceptance of the 2009 Margaret Sanger award are among those that spring to the front of this conservative’s mind…
gryphon202 on October 28, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Sorry, but I have to defend AP here. I’d say probably 90% or better of the comments here (and I do include my own in that figure) are made from a position of ignorance.
Remove the plank from your own eye before you worry about the speck in someone else’s, people.
gryphon202 on October 28, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Uh, when I say 90% of the comments “here,” I mean “here” as in sitewide, not just on this post. Sorry for the confusion.
gryphon202 on October 28, 2009 at 11:29 PM
True, Scozza looked totally ridiculous in front of Hoffman’s office. And I have no doubt Hoffman can cite facts about both Scozza and Owens (tax and spend), stress it’s time to be prudent and practical with tax payer money. Hit ‘em where it hurts.
Annietxgrl on October 28, 2009 at 11:29 PM
He could have removed the whatever from his wherever with a little googling before he posted. It’s not that tough.
notropis on October 28, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Lets see go on a debate where both Democrats can see what his responses will be to questions and most people are not paying attention to anyway. Then the real Debate the next day they can have the attack points all ready to go. You don’t go into absolutely hostile Territory when one of your opponents has clear ties to the place holding the Debate
Lets see if Palin hadn’t gone on Couric’s show when she clearly said they were going to be hostile and try to paint her as an idiot and edit the responses then there would be no talking points she doesn’t read books and shes stupid based off the Couric interview
alloyiv on October 28, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Was this a scheduled debate or an axillary debate (the one Scozz called for in front of Hoffman’s office)? I seem to remember a bit of back and forth where, as you mentioned, that Scozz declined a debate when she was winning and once she was losing requested one? If this was a desperation debate I don’t see a problem with that. Kind of like those ‘family values’ debates the social conservatives that were running way behind participated in.
clement on October 28, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Wow, color me surprised. An anti-Hoffman, anti-third party candidate because we are all supposed to blindly follow the idiot moderate Republicans diatribe about not wanting to participate in one specific debate while accepting and offering load of other debates. And before I even looked to see who wrote it I just knew it had to be Allah.
When are moderate Republicans going to realize that electing someone simply because it puts an (R) by their name means NOTHING if that person always or at least at critical times votes with the (D)s. Either stand for something you believe in or get the hell out of the way.
It is this stupid numerology that the moderate Republican leadership has been playing that has led to where the Republican party is today. Either oppose the socialist Democrats or prepare to be in the minority forever because the electorate is looking for candidates that stand for something and stand by their principles even when the media attacks them for their position.
The People are not stupid and can see the media and the democrats for what they are, so either be part of the solution or prepare to LOSE yet again all you moderate Republicans.
woodythesingingcowboy on October 28, 2009 at 11:35 PM
That’s 5 mins of your life you’ll never get back.
uknowmorethanme on October 28, 2009 at 11:40 PM
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