CNN poll: 71% say Palin’s unqualified to be president
posted at 4:14 pm on October 28, 2009 by Allahpundit
I was planning to skip this, but Conservatives 4 Palin promised their readers this morning that the “deeply tiresome Allahpundit” would be launching into an anti-Palin tirade about it any minute over at Hot Air.
How could I let them down?
Republicans appear split, with 52 percent saying she’s qualified and 47 percent disagreeing with that view.
The poll indicates that about half of the country, 51 percent, has an unfavorable view of Palin, with 42 percent seeing her in a positive light. Nearly two-thirds of those questioned say Palin’s not a typical politician, and feel she’s a good role model for women. Fifty-six percent add that Palin cares about people, and a similar amount think she’s honest and trustworthy. But the survey indicates Americans are split over whether Palin shares their values, agrees with them on the issues, or if she’s a strong leader.
“Sarah Palin has one advantage that many past Republican candidates have not shared – Americans think she cares about people like them,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “But her biggest Achilles heel is the number who think she is not qualified to be President. Those numbers are similar to what Dan Quayle got in 1993, when only 23 percent thought he was ready for the White House.”
C4P notes that, at 42/51, her approval rating’s up three points since the last CNN poll; in fact, if you use that PPP poll from last week as a yardstick, it’s actually up six points. An early sign of a rebound in her favorables as the book builds buzz, perhaps? As also noted by C4P, she’s got great personal numbers:
The left might despise her but most of America doesn’t — which makes that 71 percent figure all the more jarring. Note, too, that she’s +29 on the question of whether she’s a good role model for women, which is fascinating given that she typically polls badly with women overall. The public clearly admires her, and rightly so, but there’s also clearly a deep, deep vein of skepticism about her qualifications if they’re cracking 70 percent on the presidential question while giving her a solid thumbs up on personal attributes. (Note that, at 52/47, even the split among Republicans on whether she’s qualified is within the margin of error.) As for C4P’s lament about CNN finding the headline it wanted to find within the data, are they really arguing that a three-point gain in favorables should have been the lede for this story rather than the fact that last year’s GOP VP nominee — and current darling of the conservative base — isn’t far from having three-quarters of the population declaring her unqualified? That’s a striking amount of consensus in an age when consensus is hard to come by.
While we’re on the subject, here’s the video of America’s father/parasite of the year telling CBS he has “huge” dirt on his son’s grandmother but isn’t ready to use it to destroy his extended family just yet. You’ll be pleased to know that Sarahcuda issued a statement laying him out this afternoon. The takeaway line: “Consider the source of the most recent attention-getting lies – those who would sell their body for money reflect a desperate need for attention and are likely to say and do anything for even more attention.”
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I’m not one who believes that experience is all. I definitely believe that the person has to be the type who wrestles out every vestige of information from every experience.
I definitely know Hillary is that type. Man, nothing has been wasted on her.
I do believe that Sarah could be that type. I’m still waiting to see. She’s a bit hot-tempered right now for my taste.
I am waiting to see how she translates that into action steps.
Obama is NOT that type. He could have been in the Senate for 8 years or a governor, and he’d still be just a good ole’ boy with a tan.
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Yes I did miss that story. Give me the link please. That makes Hoffman sound like a complete wimp.
joedoe on October 29, 2009 at 3:12 PM
And this is bad exactly how?
Sarah doesn’t have to be “seen.” Every thing she posts on Facebook, including her birthday wish to Maggie Thatcher, is covered far and wide.
If we’ve learned anything from Obama we’ve learned that overexposure is worse than no exposure. This is the only President in my lifetime whose numbers go DOWN when he speaks on TV.
Look, there is no urgency for her to be on TV all the time. Once there is, she’ll be there. But as it is now, she can do what she does how she does it.
There’s an old adage in show business, “leave the people wanting more!” This keeps the excitement going, and makes each appearance more special. Familiarity sometimes breeds contempt. See: Obama.
Sarah will be at a speaking event in early November, then on the Oprah. After that, she has an event in early December.
You KNOW whatever happens on the Oprah will be in the headlines for days, and it’s a pretty good bet her college speech and Right to Life speech will get headline coverage, as well.
Being a talking head on TV isn’t all it’s made out to be.
gary4205 on October 29, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Pawlenty on TV? *blink*
I haven’t laid eyes on him, Jindal, or Romney in quite awhile.
Well, he had one soundbite last week, I think.
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Sarah isn’t the Teaparty Express queen. She smartly let the grassroots be just that.
If they back her, great. But that’s not her created base. Obama created his base. She has simply arrived.
She isn’t in hiding. Everyone knows that her book will be a huge flurry of attention. She picked Oprah to open the gateway. And that was smart. Oprah definitely isn’t her friend.
She’ll handle it just fine.
The deal with experience is really about “Emotional IQ.” You can have the right ideas, but if you’re antsy emotionally?
You’ll mess up. And the president can’t do that without huge consequences.
Obama is better than most neophytes. He’s had a couple of bad bobbles, and I suspect he’s now scared to make a decision about Afghanastan. He must be in some kind of “come down to Earth” period where he understands, he’s not really his marketing image, he will be responsible, and he really will also be written about in terms of actual decisions, not what his image-makers tell him.
That’s a huge learning curve. Clinton was already there. Bush was there. Obama was not. I don’t know if Sarah is there.
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Pawlenty was all over Fox bright and early this morning.
joedoe on October 29, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Gary, so right. But what it will take to get me truly on board is that she’s actually very comfortable with the issues.
I could tell when Obama wasn’t. He slipped into academes. I can tell when she isn’t. She slips into very odd syntax.
People who think this is a sign she’s stupid are actually not all that astute. It’s just a sign she’s not on solid ground.
She needs to be completely grounded.
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 3:22 PM
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Acadamese, that is.
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 3:24 PM
The only reason Huckabee and Romney are moving up in the polls and leaving Palion behind is due to her absence. Let’s be realistic about this and not get lost in the land of rainbows and unicorns.
joedoe on October 29, 2009 at 3:26 PM
In that case: Hi, I’m Esthier and I don’t really know what I’m talking about. I think I’ll go find something I do know about and discuss that instead. See ya!
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Pawlenty has been in and out of the news most of the week. He is becoming a pretty prominent face in opposition to the Democrap’s health care reform. Citing the problems as he sees them from a governor’s position.
joedoe on October 29, 2009 at 3:28 PM
I haven’t heard him once, but then I really don’t watch a lot of the shows.
They are such rehash usually. I have to admit, I pick up the u-tube interviews on-line. That’s quicker.
He seems like a perfectly nice guy without a lot of passion.
Sort of reminds me of my ex-husband. *haha
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 3:33 PM
Clinton actually had a steep learning curve, especially on foreign policy, according to Dick Morris, his adviser. But Clinton was sharp, he got got.
Bush, having a dad who was POTUS certainly had a leg up.
Sarah has more foreign policy experience than Clinton, and managed a budget 3X bigger.
The nuts and bolts experience of all three you mention are about the same. Executive experience is well, executive experience. All three have held the highest office in the land, besides POTUS.
If you can be Governor, and a good one, as all three were, you can be POTUS. Other than the ability to declare war, it’s the same job.
At this point, it comes down to what their experience has taught them, and well, ideology. What have they learned from their mistakes, and what direction would they take the country. Then there is their actual records.
For anyone who actually takes the time to examine Palin’s record, it’s a no brainer to see what kind of President she’d be.
She’s pro business, and would do whatever it took to get the economy right. She would cut taxes, and if you read her speech from Hong Kong, you’d know she laid out specific plans for all of this, plans that would attract companies to America.
She’s pro energy, in a big way. She’s also pro environment, so you have an incredible common sense approach to energy independence. And unlike most politicians, she has intimate knowledge of how the oil industry works. And I’m talking not only about the executive level stuff, but the actual equipment. She can speak with much authority.
She’s definitely a budget hawk. She’s cut spending, and delete unnecessary programs.
Sarah’s stance on national defense needs no discussion. It’s STRONG, robust.
She’s pretty libertarian socially. Personally she is quite religious, but there is absolutely no indication that she governs as some “right wing fundamentalist,” what ever the hell that is.
All it takes is a few minutes of research into her record of what she has done to figure out what she would do.
There’s a reason why she had an 80 percent approval rating before Obama’s thugs started up.
Now on the other hand…Obama is an epic failure because he didn’t have an ounce of experience. The guy has never run a city, never run a state, never run a lemonade stand. Making him President is akin to taking a kid fresh out of high school and making him the General Manager of a McDonald’s restaurant and dropping him in at high noon rush hour and telling him to “handle it”!
Sarah has more than enough practical experience. More than enough ability to do the job.
Now we are just down to whether one agrees with her positions, her ideology or not.
If you do, well, then case closed.
If not, why not. One will either see the light, and change their mind about her ideology and positions, or they won’t.
People are making this a LOT harder than it has to be.
gary4205 on October 29, 2009 at 3:46 PM
I don’t think that approval rating are a concern of his. He’s not really so much of your typical wet finger to the wind politician. He is goal focused….get the changes made..set up the rebuilding framework, and then just make excuses for any shortcomings. Not really so hard when you have the entire media in your pocket.
Its a huge change in the American way of life. I didn’t mean to imply that he is an all powerful super hero or anything. Mistakes are made, and people act on their doubts. This is not deterring him, and it doesn’t really matter if the first all encompassing draft of the healthcare bill easily gets passed or not…..that would have been nice for these future fascists, but they are meeting Resistance. But to them, it doesnt matter. Like I stated, I think the important goal to these people is to get the system “fundamentally transformed”, and they can Frankenstein the useful parts together and jolt it to life later.
Itchee Dryback on October 29, 2009 at 3:46 PM
You articulate why I’m still watching. I will say this. You cannot underestimate the importance of Clinton messing up so badly on the state level that he lost the governor’s seat.
I’m sorry, but I’m a huge believer in failure.
That absolutely taught him a lesson. He was pushing Arkansans way too hard, too fast, and they voted him out.
He learned.
I think that’s the biggest lesson any politician can gain.
Do NOT believe your own stupid PR guy. It is NOT simply about your image.
It IS about your actual policies, and how DO they affect real people.
That’s the part about Sarah that I’m watching. Alaska is a terrific state for teaching someone just this.
It is so not elitism or politics as usual.
She’ll have to protect that experience, however, from marketing types.
She really will have to blend the best.
Now, that’s on her. Is she smart enough?
AnninCA on October 29, 2009 at 4:04 PM
What experience in the private Sector? I am very sorry, but capitalizing on the fame you achived during your political career does not count as “private sector success” in my book.
Squid Shark on October 29, 2009 at 4:13 PM
She ran a commercial fishing business and co-owned a snow machine business. You really should read more.
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 4:21 PM
You know what is the bright light behind Sarah?
If she succeeds it is because she survived the most adverse environment I’ve seen any politician face for but a few
if she succeeds, she won’t have an extensive list of IOUs
Sarah has another gigantic advantage to help her get there
she is unapologetically proAmerican which is garlic to the statist vampires
like the Carter years we are enduring poor economic conditions whose genesis was the US government while having an administration that apologises on their own behalf and says how bad we are in a wide assortment of ways
even libs get sick of that
Sarah could be the spring air blowing in after a cold wet winter
people like to hear good things and not be browbeat by punks
the test is there, if SP can do it, she will certainly have earned and due to what we can expect from the media will be a true result of what the population wants
as for Levi, he is a sad, near parentless child who is being ground to meal by leftist perverts
they get off Scott free while.exploiting a weak individual
kinda like a contradiction going on there
I feel sorry for what that boy faces in the future
I have utter contempt and hatred for the adults that think nothing about
what true louses there are inthe libworld
Sonosam on October 29, 2009 at 4:51 PM
CNN DID GREAT GETTING THEIR WHOLE 100 VIEWERS TO VOTE!
Bicyea on October 29, 2009 at 4:54 PM
gary4205, I get the distinct feeling that you are someone who is very close to Sarah, not like a colleague or fan, but lots more personal. Am I correct?? :-)
DanaSmiles on October 29, 2009 at 4:57 PM
My bad, it wasn’t a story linked to here, it was a post by another poster and he/she did not provide a link as evidence so it’s entirely possible (probable?) it didn’t happen. Although given that she her help has been shunned in Virginia and New Jersey it is not such a stretch. Stacy McCain pointed out in his blog that we should not be surprised if the Hoffman campaign does not make a big deal of Sarah’s endorsement b/c there is still a good deal of prickliness toward her from independent voters, at least according to the polls.
Personally I would argue that she has already scored a victory here regardless of whether she gets on the ground in NY to campaign for him. The guy was dead last and floundering until her endorsement and now he’s virtually neck and neck with the Democrat and the RNC’s candidate has been left in the dust. His war chest has exploded, he’s getting face time with Rush and Beck and Fox News. People are traveling from all around to upstate New York to campaign for him. I won’t be surprised if he wins, but even if he doesn’t, I think Sarah has still won because this one endorsement alone has proved she is truly a rainmaker.
NoLeftTurn on October 29, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I see a lot of gloom and doom in Levi’s future. The media types will chew him up and spit him out when they tire of the game they are playing. The kid lacks the life experience to deal with what is in store for him and I’m afraid it will not end well for the stupid kid.
joedoe on October 29, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Well, I’m certainly not going to talk to you about Palin.
Esthier on October 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Squid Shark on October 29, 2009 at 10:55 AM
UNFORTUNATELY I DIDN’T SEE THAT (PALIN’S DEBATE PERFORMANCE IN 2006 STATE DEBATES) IN THE CAMPAIGN
In terms of a movie if the actors are not given a woefully inadequate script no matter how skilled or talented the actor is their performance as the critics pan the movie is “wasted”.
Palin was given a poor script by McCain and his handlers. No matter how diligent she was in her performance and execution the script stunk (bipartisan crapola/measured attacks on Obama)and Palin could not save the movie from being panned regardless of her earnest efforts to do so.
technopeasant on October 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Also, her RNC speech was so astoundingly brilliant that it should have been left alone to be savored. But, McCain’s stooges had her repeating it day after day after day, which killed the impact.
Toward the end I felt like Palin was still in it to win and no one bothered to tell her McCain had given up months earlier. It was sort of a sad sight.
joedoe on October 29, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Good idea.
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Really? I don’t think he’s as bad as Kerry, but I disagree that he isn’t driven by polls. I think that’s a lot of what Beergate and the Fox war were both about. Plus, at the very least, he understand that it’ll be hard for him to get anything accomplished with a rating below 50%, as senators worry about re-election.
At least it shouldn’t be, but he seems instead focused on distractions, like the two I mentioned above. And aside from government take over of GM, which he really has Bush to thank for in many ways, I don’t really see that he’s done anything.
No, and I didn’t mean to imply that you were, but I’m not really sure what changes you’ve seen. I’d agree that the world is different, but I’d argue that much of it is because of the media and his cultists. I just can’t think of much that I’d attribute directly to anything he’s done.
Maybe, but I don’t think any of them expected the resistance they’ve seen, and they just don’t look prepared for any of it. He has a filibuster proof majority, and the liberal Supreme Court Justice he picked wasn’t much worse than the one she was replacing. Gitmo is still open. We’re still in Iraq. Cap and Trade failed. I mean, he couldn’t even get the Olympics.
The man’s had the world handed to him, and I just don’t see that he’s even accomplishing a fraction of what he should have easily been able to do. And I can barely see anything he’s actually done.
I don’t know. My brother would agree with you. He thinks I underestimate Obama. But I just keep seeing the man make mistake after mistake in the most embarrassing ways without compensating for that lack in other areas.
Esthier on October 29, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Had to have one eventually. Though, it’s not as though I’ve ever talked to you about Palin before, so this won’t take an adjustment on my part.
Esthier on October 29, 2009 at 5:35 PM
As if you were capable of such.
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Yes I know she does not have the qualifications of Obama, but then who does? Almost anyone who has EVER had a job has more qualifications than he does!
Here are the pitiful ones for Palin:
Interesting:
Obama spent exactly 143 days as a US Senator before he ABANDONED the job (while stealing his paycheck from the taxpayers)
Obama never run a city, never run a state, never run a lemonade stand!!
You know what that means?
Piper Palin, Sarah’s youngest daughter has more business experience that Obama does, because she HAS run a lemonade stand. And by God, Sarah has the ethics complaint from Chip Thoma to prove it!!!!!
Palin:
Multiple Business Owner 20 plus years
PTA member
City Council Member
Mayor Two Terms, term limited out.
President, Alaska council Of Mayors
Chairman, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.*
*One of the most powerful jobs in the state. “Quit” in protest over massive corruption that she uncovered, and was prevented by the Republican Governor from cleaning up.
Chairman of Political Action Committee dedicated to preparing conservative women for elected office.
*While serving on PAC, spent time going after corrupt Republicans in the AOGCC. The Alaska GOP party chair, Randy Ruedrich received the largest fine in state history, others still wear orange jumpsuits.
Governor
Commander-In-Chief:
Alaska National Guard, Alaska Defense Force
Chairman, Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission
Chairman, National Governors Association’s Natural Resources Committee.
Now, tell me again who has the most experience of any of the so-called “front runners, including Barry Soetoro?
Sarah Palin’s path, Sarah Palin’s life is quintessential Americana. Every job she has ever had has prepared her to be President. And her record of great achievement at her jobs proves she will make a damned good one!!!
patriotparty1 on October 29, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Of talking to you? No, that truly is a task that’s beyond me. But I’ll accept my limitation and find some way to press on in spite of it.
Esthier on October 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM
So far so good.
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM
“*CNN poll: 71% say Palin’s unqualified to be president*”
CNN !!!!…..aren’t they the folks who thought Barack Obama was qualified to be president ? ? ?
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philly_PA on October 29, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Encouragement is helpful. Maybe there’s hope for me yet.
Esthier on October 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM
If Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president then Obama is not qualified to be dog catcher.
Dasher on October 29, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Sorry, I got drunk with minor flattery. It won’t happen again.
Esthier on October 29, 2009 at 6:22 PM
I don’t mean to change the subject, but does anyone know why nothing new has been added to the posts since this morning?
silvernana on October 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM
This whole “Not talking to you” thing seems to be working out really well.
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 6:28 PM
CNN,71% unqualified!!
Pure Bullsh*t!
Meanwhile,the biuld-up of SarahCuda’s Army continues!
canopfor on October 29, 2009 at 7:46 PM
I see what you mean and kinda of understand what you’re getting at, but disagree with the conclusions.
Manipulating the media image is different than being driven by it…matter of fact, to me its the opposite of being driven. Its being in the drivers seat.
Taking over GM should be a major WTF imo.
He hasn’t done anything? So from your view, nothing has changed from 2008 and the powers of the governments reach under Bush is similar? Really?
The world has changed little.
This country has seen huge changes. Its hard for me to comprehend that this is not obvious.
The changes I’ve seen are the power of the federal government…not hypothetical..but acted on..to take over the choices of private businesses, by negating the validity of private business contracts after the fact. The setting of compensation for private businesses by the federal government. The attempts to silence opposing views and limit the access to whats going on in the legislation, or being questioned about the direction of government powers, either by attempting to hand wave away any questions, or implying or acting in ways to intimadate those organizations who get too “uppity”. Also the unvetted placing of people and advisers with very radical…in a particular way…into positions of power or guidence of the direction of policy that will effect all of us. These are a few of the things I have questions about.
I agree..he is probably quite surprised at the resistance he’s faced. But that is neither here nor there as far as his intentions for changing the foundations of this country, and he will simply try another venue.
Itchee Dryback on October 29, 2009 at 8:12 PM
She’s a modern day Annie Oakley. If she released a sex tape I could see her going all the way. Kind in a similar vein of Ronald Reagan releasing film of himself with a chimpanzee.
How’s that destruction of the Russian threat working out? Are we still supposed to be congratulating each other about it?
pc on October 29, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Sooooooooooooo CNN’s audience being nada, 71% of nothing is…….oh, yeah, nothing.
HonestConservative on October 29, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Can I have an autographed picture of you? I’d like to send it to the authors of the Oxford Dictionary to put next to the definition of ‘Internet @$$hole’.
Dark-Star on October 29, 2009 at 8:56 PM
There was a guy in the other Palin post that claimed Allahpundit’s handling of Palin was fair, and I had to wonder if there was another Allahpundit he was referring to.
Hope that guy reads this post and gets a grip. I mean, we’re talking Allahpundit here…
Danzo on October 29, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Up to your usual wormy tricks I see. Your a real slug, Treacle Mouth.
Grow Fins on October 29, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Do you prefer “Dark,” “Mr. Star,” or “Nobody”?
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM
If there’s anything better than being complimented by a good man, it’s being maligned by a bastard.
Jim Treacher on October 29, 2009 at 11:00 PM
A+
beachgirlusa on October 29, 2009 at 11:59 PM
And you’re definitely a bastard and a slug who’s done his fair share of maligning.
Norman Blizter on October 30, 2009 at 12:51 AM
As I was saying.
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 1:58 AM
Please don’t.
Norman Blizter on October 30, 2009 at 2:13 AM
Beg me.
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 2:14 AM
AllnotPundit: If Palin is “unqualified”, what does that make Obama?
By “unqualified” I assume you mean that Palin’s Conservatism needs no qualification…as opposed to RINO’s which need all kinds of qualifications like “sort of” or “on everything but immigration,” “most of the time,” or “except on social issues.”
I’ll take someone who’s an unqualified Conservative over a wishy-washy RINO, an afraid-to-make-a-decision “moderate” or an unapoligetically insane leftist any day!!!
landlines on October 30, 2009 at 2:33 AM
Unless that person is Black and/or female and a Democrat. That gets them a free pass from scrutiny.
Fed45 on October 30, 2009 at 3:05 AM
To date I’ve seen no evidence that supports that claim.
Fed45 on October 30, 2009 at 3:14 AM
Which would make Palin/Cheney 2012 a quite attractive ticket (for those curious..that would be LIZ Cheney)
Fed45 on October 30, 2009 at 3:23 AM
Democrats hate women. They have this weird rock paper scissors hierarchy where black-gay-female are all in competition, but as a sum total, it’s a loser. That’s why Condi ran as an R.
alliebobbitt on October 30, 2009 at 5:35 AM
Is he still Governor?
Or maybe he’s looking for another major issue and see what the leaders are deciding on …. so that he can go along with them.
Fence sitter still.
I want fighters.
TheAlamos on October 30, 2009 at 7:47 AM
Agreed. But to remind us all – Sarah Palin doesn’t need TITLE.
That’s what she said and now I see that as very true and very telling.
TheAlamos on October 30, 2009 at 7:49 AM
I consider her acceptance of VP nomination by RINO McCain as her only major sin.
She should have not used her good name for a person like McCain.
Nonetheless, she’s far better than the rest, including the so-called future hopes of the Republican Party such as Jindal, the Carbon Marketer.
By the way, I like Paul Ryan (I have already forgiven him in voting YES for that crappy bill about the salaries of Bank executives.)
As for Cantor, his recent statements indicate that he’s already sold to Big Tent meme of RINOs and the MSM.
TheAlamos on October 30, 2009 at 7:55 AM
Back to the headline, is it safe to say that 83% think Obama is unqualified to be President?
Jaibones on October 30, 2009 at 8:27 AM
Did you forget the end of that sentence? I’m not talking to you about Palin. Never have, never will. I also said I wasn’t capable of talking to you, and we had that happy moment of agreement where I thought I might be growing as a person, clearly getting ahead of myself, as we agreed. But I’m not one of those who will let my limitations rule my life.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 8:36 AM
Sure, I wouldn’t argue the media’s had any hand in shaping Obama.
Sure, but that’s the only main thing I would point to, and I’m not convinced Bush wouldn’t have done the same.
I certainly don’t mean “nothing” exactly, but I haven’t seen much of significance. Gitmo is still open; we’re leaving Iraq on Bush’s time table; we’ll have more rendition, not less; the Court hasn’t moved Left; Patriot Act and the Bush tax cuts are still in effect. Right now at least, I only see cosmetic changes.
What he still wants to do and how he still wants to change this country concerns me, but I don’t think he’s accomplished much just yet that couldn’t easily be undone with a new president.
In regards to private industry, I agree, but I suppose I don’t see it as that big of a change, because I’m not convinced Bush wouldn’t have done the same. With bailouts, Obama was following Bush’s lead.
As to the czars, I agree and see that as a problem, but I’m not convinced it’s one that’s done much to change the nation yet. Americans haven’t been receptive, and it’s been a negative mark against him.
Agreed. I do still think there’s far more to come, but maybe that’s also why what he’s currently done seems so unimpressive to me.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 8:55 AM
Knock! Knock! Bush wasn’t running for President. You realize he had already served two terms, right? His time was up. So, all your “Bush wouldn’t have done the same thing” arguments are non-starters.
Fed45 on October 30, 2009 at 10:42 AM
And this is being said by the same people that say;
Cybergeezer on October 30, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Ran for what?
cs89 on October 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM
President Bush was given the opportunity to bail out GM and he refused to do so.
No. Barack set an arbitrary date for withdrawal, something President Bush refused to do many times.
He said that the troop levels were always to be determined by the generals o the ground, from whom he would take the cue.
He would never set an arbitrary date for them to meet–this is merely giving the terrorists a date to come back.
NO.
Maobama and Nancy thought up Porkulus all on their own.
Jenfidel on October 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM
1. It’s not an argument but my opinion.
2. I’m not saying that Bush could have run for president. I was asked why I don’t think Obama’s done much to change the country, and saying he’s doing what I think his predecessor would have done is my way of explaining that. How can you call it “change” if it’s what Bush would have done?
That’s all.
So did Obama initially. I’m not saying I know Bush would have done it, but before TARP, I wouldn’t have thought he would have done any bailouts. If he could be convinced those were necessary, then I wouldn’t have been surprised if he could have been convinced that the auto bailouts were necessary.
Bush had a time table for withdrawal.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5glz91oS2gfjNeEnc434cozHuQynA
Well, Bush ordered “all US combat troops out of Iraqi cities by next June [2009] and US forces gone from the war-torn country by late 2011.” Call it whatever you want to.
Are you trying to argue that TARP had no pork?
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Seriously, you two really need to stop carrying on in public like that and get a room.
This is a family blog, after all.
platypus on October 30, 2009 at 11:35 AM
CNN wouldn’t normally be someone I would have run a poll for a conservative and even hope to see it come out positive. I would imagine they took the poll in front of the Democratic headquarters or something.
In any case I voted for her once and most likely would do so again. She has as much or MORE experience than the joker we have in the White House right now. Definitely more qualified in my eyes and of the few hundred people I personally know she would be their choice over BHO in a heartbeat.
SgtRed on October 30, 2009 at 12:17 PM
True, she was appointed and never ran for office.
alliebobbitt on October 30, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Please, tell us more.
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM
I don’t recall NObama ever refusing to help GM.
Bush said he was forced to, against his better business judgement, because of the severity of the financial emergency as impressed upon him by Geithner.
Why isn’t it sufficient to say that he looked at basically the same situation Barack did and came to a different conclusion because he knows that the Federal Government shouldn’t be in the car business.
And he know darn well he wouldn’t take it upon himself to fire the CEO of GM!
I did some research and couldn’t find any proof that Bush agreed to a timetable for withdrawal.
Links?
Cites?
Nope.
That’s not what I said.
But I am arguing that NOama thought up the idea of Porkulus all on his own because he thought we still had a “financial crisis” after Bush’s TARP relief (which still hasn’t been spent…)
Jenfidel on October 30, 2009 at 2:02 PM
What, that wasn’t enough? I thought it summed up events nicely.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 2:40 PM
And how does that make you feel?
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM
You don’t remember the big three automakers showing up in private jets and then being turned away?
Pretty sure you mean Paulson, but that’s precisely my point actually. He says he didn’t want to do it but was told he had to. Advisers said the same thing about GM.
Because he wasn’t in the same situation. The automakers came out with their hands out after Bush left office.
That’s likely true, but it’s not as though Bush was much of a fiscal conservative either.
It’s right there in the link I posted.
Again, actually click on the link I provided. I was quoting straight from it. I thought it was obvious actually.
I don’t even think he came up with it on his own. I’d say that’s more of a Pelosi bill. We know he certainly didn’t write it and barely even looked at it.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Fine and dandy this Halloween weekend, but that could just be my sugar high. You?
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM
And then what happened?
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 3:20 PM
I ordered a chicken sandwich, but I think the waitress misunderstood me because she said, “How would you like your eggs?” So I tried to answer her anyhow. I said “Incubated, and then raised, and then beheaded, and then plucked, and then cut up then put onto a grill then put onto a bun. Sh!t, it’s gonna take awhile. I don’t have time. Scrambled!”
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM
What I find funny is people discredit the part of the poll they don’t like while in the same post use the personal attributes results.
It would be easier to not see those complaining about the source of the poll being (CNN) as having their heads in the sand if there was some consistency. If the personal attribute portion is reliable then the rest of the poll should be too.
My take away, people like Palin, think she has good intentions, they just don’t want her to be the chief executive.
NextGen on October 30, 2009 at 3:56 PM
The collapse of GM didn’t involve the entire credit system of the country freezing, which is the way Paulson explained it to Bush.
Because he told them no and they knew Barack would tell them yes, because NObama was elected by Big Labor, among other groups and GM=UAW.
President Bush looks like a virtual Scrooge compared to Ogabe!
Um, no
It only talks about a proposed timetable.
I couldn’t find any reference to an agreement on a timetable between Bush and the Iraqis.
But you said he was following Bush–an argument you’re now abandoning and rightly attributing Porkulus to Nancy.
Jenfidel on October 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM
No.
They don’t see her as C-i-C because she isn’t running for President yet and they’re not asked to consider her as President…yet.
Big difference.
Jenfidel on October 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM
What did she say?
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM
If carrots got you drunk, rabbits would be f*cked up.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Yes, it was a different situation.
So you then agree that he wasn’t placed in Obama’s situation, as you seem to be implying that they were biding their time until Obama was in the White House.
Sure.
All soldiers out of Iraq by 2011.
Rightly? I thought you were blaming all of this on Obama. See, the whole point of the comment you initially replied to is that Obama hasn’t done much to drastically change this country, at least not yet. Letting Pelosi write the bill when she was clearly in on TARP, isn’t exactly new.
And no, I’m not saying Obama did nothing. I’m just saying he did very little to guide the bill. He didn’t even write it. But I’m also not saying Pelosi did this without Obama. I’m saying that Obama saw TARP, thought it was good and decided to double down, only he didn’t feel like getting his hands dirty with actual work.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Did you leave her a tip?
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Sure, I told her:
Rice is great if you’re really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Which other Mitch Hedburg jokes did you tell?
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Dude (or Dudette,whichever it is), between your comments to me and Treacher, you B trippin’.
Word.
Jenfidel on October 30, 2009 at 6:27 PM
It’s still a non-starter. Bush would not have had the opportunity to the things Barry has done. You might as well say “Well, Clinton would have done the same thing”. Heck, why not conjecture what GHW Bush or Reagan would have done? It would be more relevant to hypothesize what McCain would have done.
Fed45 on October 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM
It’s unfortunate Mitch Hedberg is no longer alive to accuse you of stealing his jokes without attribution.
Fed45 on October 30, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Hedberg, actually.
I saw this wino, he was eating grapes. I was like, “Dude, you have to wait.”
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM
I’m not sure how to take that from you.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Yes, I’m sure he’d be worried about competition from me on a random blog thread, when everything I’m typing can easily be put into Google for reference.
These aren’t even his obscure jokes, unless you count everything he did as obscure, which is understandable. The man died just when his career could have been taking off.
Esthier on October 30, 2009 at 10:16 PM
So you admit it.
Jim Treacher on October 30, 2009 at 10:30 PM
I’m betting that if George was still serving his solution might have involved making his taxcuts permanent and probably consider more thus putting the money in the proper hands
you think odumbos solution looks anything like that
you are just trying to diminish what a commie we have in charge supported by a rabid congress
from day one the stimulus ( hah ) was nothing more than stuffing the pockets of the public sector with funds they don’t even know what it will be spent on
consider the attack on the dollar as another raid on peoples wealth and you might realize what shitbags we have running the show
GWB had his weaknesses but in no way does he equate with the current criminals
Sonosam on October 30, 2009 at 10:31 PM
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