Can the House deliver a robust public option?

posted at 10:12 am on October 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Most of the speculation on a public option in ObamaCare has focused on the Senate.  With a 70-seat majority in the House, everyone assumed that Nancy Pelosi could easily deliver on government coverage, especially with the progressives in her caucus threatening to commit hara-kiri if the moderates didn’t play ball.  However, Greg Sargent at The Plum Line got a copy of a document from Majority Whip James Clyburn’s office, and it looks as though Pelosi and Clyburn fall short of 200 votes on a “robust public option,” at least at the moment:

The House Dem leadership has conducted its preliminary whip count and has tallied up less than 200 likely Yes votes in support of a health care reform bill with a robust public option, well short of the 218 needed for passage, according to an internal whip count document I’ve obtained.

The document — compiled by the office of House leader James Clyburn — was distributed privately at a meeting between Clyburn and House progressives today where the fate of the public option was the subject of some contentious debate, with liberals demanding that House leaders push harder to win over votes.

How dire has the situation become in the House?  This bad:

One House progressive tells me he’s convinced that most of the undecideds, and a number of the No votes, can be won over with the right mix of pressure and incentives — which only the House leadership and the White House can provide.

“Only leadership and the White House can get this done,” this progressive says. The time would appear to be now…

In all fairness, Pelosi has provided a surfeit of leadership, bordering on the dictatorial, on the public option.  Other than tossing wads of cash onto the House floor and excluding No voters from grabbing it, there doesn’t seem to be much more she could do.  That leaves the White House, which has provided no leadership whatsoever to this point — and most people would be hard-pressed to state for certain whether Obama wants a public option or not.

Obama has tried very hard to eat his cake and have it, too, on this question.  All summer long, the White House staff has indicated that Obama would accept a bill without a public option, while Obama publicly gave support for it, but only in generalities and never in specifics.  Two months ago, the administration threatened to release its own version of ObamaCare in order to get past the impasse on Capitol Hill, but that plan has yet to materialize.  Obama knows that the public option has become unpopular and he wants to avoid linking it to himself, preferring to have Pelosi and Harry Reid tarred with its brush rather than himself.  That may be many things, but leadership it is not.

If the House can’t pass a public option, then Reid’s off the hook.  One has to wonder whether he may not secretly root for that outcome so that he can then take Joe Lieberman’s advice and start a more incremental approach instead.

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Can’t wait to see what kind of monkey wrench next Tuesday’s election returns throw into this mess!

Youngs98 on October 28, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Robust debate, robust public option, robust my a$$. I am beginning to hate that word.

farright on October 28, 2009 at 10:18 AM

One House progressive tells me he’s convinced that most of the undecideds, and a number of the No votes, can be won over with the right mix of pressure and incentives — which only the House leadership and the White House can provide.

Translation: Bribe me.

Oh, it was such a lovely Republic while it lasted.

LibTired on October 28, 2009 at 10:18 AM

This whole healthcare bill is farged up. I predict some big carrots coming out soon to get the dems inline, like they did with cap n tax.

catlady on October 28, 2009 at 10:18 AM

Is it too much to dream about government backing out of our lives? My health care, while not perfect, is better than what I will have the chance be forced to buy if this passes.

search4truth on October 28, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Robust stench….

catlady on October 28, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Dead Bill Walking. The only hope for anything the Dems want on health care is a draw on election day outside of very liberal areas. If Corzine goes down in Jersey then you will be lucky to see even the most milquetoast version of a bill ever hit Obama’s desk. If Hoffman wins an outright majority in NY-23 the Blue Dogs will run for the hills till after the 2010 midterms. They will take on these tough issues after that as long as they can run with Obama on the ticket in 2012.

Rocks on October 28, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Depending on the results of Tuesday’s elections, the Blue Dogs may go from “No” to “Hell No!” on any public option.

Nancy can keep pushing it, because voters in her district would probably prefer all public option opponents be put in re-education camps anyway and would support any autocratic/dictatorial effort to get their way, but it will make life easier for Reid and tougher for Obama, who still wants Congress to do all the dirty work so he can take credit at the end and is scared to death of actually having to come up with his own plan that would have to side either with the far left or the Blue Dogs in his own party.

jon1979 on October 28, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Obama publicly gave support for it, but only in generalities and never in specifics

Where “it” is:

- Health Care
- Cap and trade
- War in Iraq
- War in Afghanistan
- Tax policy
- Card check
- _____________

WashJeff on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Well, I know one vote Pelosio has, MY rep, the Reverend Cleaver of MO5.

Just got a reply back from him that I sent out, must have been late July or early August. I laid into him on Crap&Betrayed and Hellcare, ending with informing him that the least I expected from him was a full reading and understanding of any legislation prior to voting.

His reply was two pages devoted to hellcare, about how horrible our system is compared to the rest of the world, how the public option will save it all thanks to the wonders of free market capitalism (direct quote!), and it’s all the fault of those greedy insurance companies, they just have to lower that huge profit margin they are raking in.

Wonder if Twit McCaskill’s reply will be identical, or if they’ll switch the wording around, or paragraph order?

JamesLee on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Most GOPers can be bought. As usual, money will grease the deal. That’s the problem with representative democracy. There is money for bribery to implement social programs, but never money for bribery to say No to them. Money talks, and that is why government has gone left, not right, when the population at large has not.

keep the change on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

People didn’t want the government to control this area of their lives, they wanted help affording insurance.
Reid, Pelosi and Obama want power and control. They can bribe and beg but their power will end in one year. I hope they are prepared. I would vote, campaign and donate to anyone who proposes to cut these clowns benefits.
I would love to see Pelosi and Reid with the same healthcare everyone else has.

ORconservative on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Talking is easy. Doing is hard.

DrSteve on October 28, 2009 at 10:26 AM

I dearly hope the Democrats incompetence saves us from their malevolence.

rbj on October 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Can’t wait to see what kind of monkey wrench next Tuesday’s election returns throw into this mess!

Many of us here in the Old Dominion are anticipating good outcomes.

oldleprechaun on October 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM

I would love to see Pelosi and Reid with the same healthcare everyone else has.

ORconservative on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I would love to see those two join the Red Head on the Cell Phone in the unemployment line.

WashJeff on October 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM

The elephant in the room is that no matter how they oversample polls to suggest otherwise, a MAJORITY doesn’t want it. Is it more complicated than that?

marklmail on October 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Most congressmen can be bought. That is more accurate….

catlady on October 28, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Most GOPers can be bought. As usual, money will grease the deal. That’s the problem with representative democracy. There is money for bribery to implement social programs, but never money for bribery to say No to them. Money talks, and that is why government has gone left, not right, when the population at large has not.

keep the change on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

McCain said as much last night on Hannity. There are still Billions and Billions of unspent stimulus money looking for a palm to grease.

fourdeucer on October 28, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Many of us here in the Old Dominion are anticipating good outcomes.

oldleprechaun on October 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Well if by good outcomes you mean a clean sweep of the executive, a majority in the House of Delegates, and a good thumping of the Dems…… here’s hoping!

highhopes on October 28, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Robust public option meets Robust town hall meetings and Robust Tea Parties.

And Robust Blue Dogs Robustly trying to keep their seats.

Will the Robust public option Robustly go bust?

Steve Z on October 28, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I suppose this means we’ll be seeing a large chunk of pork sliding down the chute here in Nebraska soon. Ben Nelson is not to be trusted.

a capella on October 28, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Many of us here in the Old Dominion are anticipating good outcomes.

oldleprechaun on October 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM

I will be right there with you on Tuesday in Leesburg…

Youngs98 on October 28, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Can the House deliver a robust public option?

People need to understand that there will be some healthcare reform bill passed. The filthy lying coward in the White House and his party HAS to produce something. Opponents need to look for victory in what isn’t included in the final bill that would have sailed through back last July.

highhopes on October 28, 2009 at 10:37 AM

James Clyburn is robustly racist and robustly ugly (on the outside and inside).

SouthernGent on October 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Many of us here in the Old Dominion are anticipating good outcomes.

oldleprechaun on October 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM

I hope y’all turn out…please tell all of your friends to vote for McDonnell! I will be watching from neighboring NC, and I want to see a 20-point blow out! :D

SouthernGent on October 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM

How could anyone dither on the “public option”? Either you support government-run “competition” or you don’t. There aren’t too many shades of it that could possibly be different enough to make a difference.

Blue Dogs are just spineless pols trying to maintain their offices.

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 10:41 AM

bama has tried very hard to eat his cake and have it, too

Cool! Ed’s one of the few to get this expression right.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on October 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM

James Clyburn is robustly racist and robustly ugly (on the outside and inside).

SouthernGent on October 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM

“Republican Deficit Society!!!!” – 2006

“Troop withdrawal starting in 90 days!!!!” – May 2007

mankai on October 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Obama knows that the public option has become unpopular and he wants to avoid linking it to himself, preferring to have Pelosi and Harry Reid tarred with its brush rather than himself. That may be many things, but leadership it is not.

Arnold isn’t the only one engaging in subtleties now is he?

ted c on October 28, 2009 at 10:44 AM

hope y’all turn out…please tell all of your friends to vote for McDonnell! I will be watching from neighboring NC, and I want to see a 20-point blow out! :D

SouthernGent on October 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I’m hoping people ignore all the pundits who all say that it will take a miracle for Deeds to win. Far far bigger than the filthy lying coward showing up for one event in Norfolk the week before the election. I want McDonnell to have coattails for a real upset with the GOP taking control back of the House of Delegates.

highhopes on October 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM

That may be many things, but leadership it is not.

I disagree. Sometimes the general leads the retreat, not the sergeants.

unclesmrgol on October 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM

That leaves the White House, which has provided no leadership whatsoever to this point — and most people would be hard-pressed to state for certain whether Obama wants a public option or not.

Sure he’s been leading… Leading a fast break, leading a vacation planner, leading a war on Fox, leading the macarena at Salsa Night… c’mon now, what else could we expect…?

ted c on October 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Kill the Bill

pseudonominus on October 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM

My GOD. It’s a NON issue that congress has wasted an entire year on while Dear Leader Obama has found plenty of time to run around and accept cheap platitudes and charge into the Olympics but neither he nor the Democratic led congress seems to be able to find the time to deal with 2 wars, a near depression and hostile international forces!

Skywise on October 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM

James Clyburn is robustly racist and robustly ugly on the outside and inside).

SouthernGent on October 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM

I concur

nyx on October 28, 2009 at 10:48 AM

I see the Libtards panicking- they are beginning to lose the grip on (entitlement-nanny state/ Cradle to grave). We will have to focus on the next two election cycle to insure that strong conservatives are voted in.
stop the progressive movement. halt it in it’s Track’s.

Battle of the Bulge!!!!!!

hawkman on October 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

At last Pelosi’s circus clown incompetence benefits the American people.

NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 11:09 AM

I think Clyburne is an evil rat frakker I truly do
he is the one who laid down the first race card on the Big Dawg in SC live on Morning Joe with an assist from dear Joe

he is the one who keeps claiming that global warming disproportionately impacts people of color, TheHill had a piece yesterday on how the CBC is part of a civil rights coalition pushing the cap and trade bill and insisting that these new energy jobs not be limited to you know the places where the new energy is

apparently they feel that people of color who live in urban areas will somehow be excluded from their fair share of green jobs since the plans are for sunbelt and windfarms in plains and southwest

it apparently does not occur to Clyburne that race baiting pie of crxpulence that you can MOVE TO WHERE THE JOBS ARE. the way the rest of America does, the way hubby and I did, we left NYC for AZ..USE YOUR FEET, damn !

CLyburne has made it very clear his interests are limited to his constituents of color and that the way you get reparations is to systematically use every policy to give a boost to certain people

Sorry I cannot even look at a pic of him without a rant anymore

UGH!

ginaswo on October 28, 2009 at 11:11 AM

The only thing saving our Republic and our economy are moderate Democrats and liberal incompetence…should I be worried?

gwelf on October 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Another ethnic entitlement bill except this time it will ruin the middle class as a whole population!

xler8bmw on October 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM

JamesLee on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Don’t feel too bad. I live across the river and have such luminaries as Durbin, Burris, Blago and even Baracky to get to claim. I’m so proud to be an Illinoisian.

Big John on October 28, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Obama can’t be bothered with trivial things like public options. He’s busy packing his Elmer Fudd toothbrush for his next vacati…..errrr…….official government trip, and playing some b-ball on the side. ;)

capejasmine on October 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM

One House progressive tells me he’s convinced that most of the undecideds, and a number of the No votes, can be won over with the right mix of pressure and incentives — which only the House leadership and the White House can provide.

Forgot to add….how disgusting is that paragraph, to anyone else? This is a good reason for clearing out D.C., and starting from scratch. When votes can be bullied, and, or bought, instead of a member of Congress standing, and voting on their constituents wishes, or principles, it’s just time for them to go home, retire, and read the damn constitution. Maybe take a class in ethics.

capejasmine on October 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM

This is Hopenchange you can believe in with transparency to boot. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Just how much more can we stand

bluegrass on October 28, 2009 at 1:15 PM

the large amount of the unspent stimulus money is in Ramn and Axelrods funding to buy off the dems who are leaning.

bluegrass on October 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM

JamesLee on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

The ‘honorable’ Rev. Cleaver is also my rep. All the more reason to back Jacob Turk next year.

Malinda

MalindaH on October 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM

His reply was two pages devoted to hellcare, about how horrible our system is compared to the rest of the world, how the public option will save it all thanks to the wonders of free market capitalism (direct quote!), and it’s all the fault of those greedy insurance companies, they just have to lower that huge profit margin they are raking in.

Wonder if Twit McCaskill’s reply will be identical, or if they’ll switch the wording around, or paragraph order?

JamesLee on October 28, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Too bad it is too difficult to get the truth out there. Didn’t it come out this week that the average profit for the health insurance industry is only about 3%? Democrats are so ignorant on economics, and their voters even more so.

I remember when basic economics was a required semester to graduate from high school, along with a semester of government (just a repeat of 9th grade civics class). I was amazed at how stupid my classmates were on these topics back in 1973. US Government as a senior was such a breeze since it just recapped 9th grade civics. Easiest A I ever got. However, that was back before public schools got as bad as they are now, even though I went to an inner city school. I was a minority at my high school. I joke about being bi-lingual from school, as ebonics is my second language.

If I had a kid of my own, they would NOT ever set foot in a public school. Even the one near where I live now, which is a fine school. I think it is too hard to fight the institutional liberal bias in the public school system. As I have stated here many times, I am privately paying the tuition of my grand niece to attend a private school. She deserves a shot that she won’t get in a public school. Without my anonymous “scholarship” at that school, my grand niece would be stuck in a public school. I consider this money will spent.

karenhasfreedom on October 28, 2009 at 2:21 PM