Baucus balking at Senate cap-and-trade bill
posted at 12:15 pm on October 28, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
In yet another reminder that the administration will have a tougher time pursuing cap-and-trade legislation than ObamaCare, its principal author for the latter in the Senate announced yesterday that he has “serious reservations” about the former, at least in its current form. Max Baucus (D-MT), fresh off of handing Harry Reid his summary on overhauling the American health-care system, says that the cap-and-trade bill proposed by John Kerry and Barbara Boxer attempts to do too much at once:
Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus said today that he has “serious reservations” about a major global warming bill and warned fellow Democrats to water down the measure in hopes of getting it through the Senate.
Speaking at the start of an Environment and Public Works Committee hearing where he is the second highest-ranking member, the Montana Democrat said he wanted to weaken the bill’s 2020 target for greenhouse gas emissions — now 20 percent below 2005 levels. He did not name a specific midterm target for the heat-trapping gases, instead telling reporters he hoped for “some modification.” …
Baucus chaired the environment committee from 1993 until 1995, and his centrist voice carries tremendous weight in the party’s leadership ranks. But Democrats also have a 12-7 majority on the EPW Committee, and his vote likely won’t be necessary as Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) looks to move the bill in the coming weeks.
Instead, Boxer and Democrats face the critical question of whether they should wait to deal with Baucus later in the negotiations, as his concerns foreshadow a tough fight to win the 60 votes needed to pass a comprehensive bill.
Committees are not the problem for Democrats in the Senate. They have to win cloture votes, and the structure of the bill makes it almost impossible for them to do so. In fact, with the impact that cap-and-trade will have on the economies of the Rust Belt, they may not even get a majority once they get past cloture.
Baucus isn’t even their biggest worry in terms of winning a cloture vote. Senators like Evan Bayh, Jay Rockefeller, Robert Byrd, Robert Casey, and others from coal states won’t stand a chance of re-election when they kneecap their coal producers back home. Even a dyed-in-the-wool progressive like Russ Feingold has objected to the distribution of emissions credits that obviously favors the coastal states over those in the interior.
However, Baucus’ early objections present a formidable political problem for Boxer and Kerry. They need to sell their plan as a moderate version of Waxman-Markey, which the House passed in a hurry in July. If Baucus considers it too radical, it will have everyone else’s antennae up and create a lot more scrutiny for Boxer-Kerry. After the fight over health care, Baucus knows exactly what that means, which makes his opening gambit a little more interesting.










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Are the wheels of the Obama-mobile coming off?
PappaMac on October 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Crap&Betrayed is getting betrayed!
JamesLee on October 28, 2009 at 12:19 PM
more like the walls are crumbling down, exposing them
cmsinaz on October 28, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Just another part of the Obama agenda going up in flames.
At last Barry’s gross incompetence and lack of experience pay off for the American people.
NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Dems are starting to feel the heat from what’s going on in Virginia, New Jersey, and New York.
Squirm, you fools, squirm!
UltimateBob on October 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Are the wheels of the Obama-mobile coming off?
PappaMac on October 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM
katy the mean old lady on October 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Wanna water it down?
Pee on it.
TXUS on October 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM
In other news, Sen. Baucus walked outside to check which direction the wind was blowing.
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Baucus will never get the Canadian border fence now .
borntoraisehogs on October 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM
I’m actually hedging on whether or not to vote for him next year if he sticks to his guns and is a deciding in factor in stopping this monstrosity.
BadgerHawk on October 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Any more questions about why they tried to ram all this stuff down our throats so fast?
Jim Treacher on October 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM
At the rate they’re going, they won’t have either ObamaCare or this piece of garbage accomplished by mid-term elections (thank you, Lord).
kingsjester on October 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM
OT….
Why is HA still linking to LGF after the continued attacks on Ed, AP and Michelle and the members here? It’s one thing to participate and comment, but disturbing to see those comments plastered all over a site as hateful as LGF and Charles Johnson.
Knucklehead on October 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Hahahahahaha! ROFLMAO! These Democrats are too funny.
nolapol on October 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Yeah, go all Larry David on it.
PappaMac on October 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Kill every progressive bill/idea/piece of crap that comes out of congress. It’s the only way the US can survive.
txag92 on October 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Latest poll from VCU (.pdf) in Virginia has the democrat Creigh Deeds receiving 33% of the vote…seriously…33%. McDonnell is at 51%
SouthernGent on October 28, 2009 at 12:27 PM
They’ll just try breaking it into little pieces or vague up the language so the EPA and other regulatory agencies can interpret it to do the same thing anyway.
aikidoka on October 28, 2009 at 12:28 PM
I don’t trust a one of them. It has all become a dance of the cranes. They are going to pass something. Whatever it is, it will be worse than the already existing ethanol boondoggle. The facts no longer matter. If global cooling was certified tomorrow with the “second coming” they will still pass global warming legislation. Control is too irresistible and they mean to have it.
patrick neid on October 28, 2009 at 12:28 PM
The demonrat party is starting to implode.
farright on October 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Thuggin’ in DC isn’t quite the same as thuggin’ in Chicago.
MobileVideoEngineer on October 28, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Grab a cold one, get in your recliner, sit back and enjoy the show.
OmahaConservative on October 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
This administration has systematically tried to get as much done as far left as possible as quickly as possible (before people know what’s happening).
The problem with pursuing an extreme series of policies is that most people aren’t as liberal as the congress is. They could have passed moderate legislation without any problem at all.
This administration and Pelosi and Reid made the calculation that they would make American policies as liberal as possible. As such they get nothing. . . and they should get nothing.
If they were serious about passing legislation, they would have proposed moderate legislation that their majorities could easily support. Instead, they wanted to see just how far left they could convince their moderates to be.
ThackerAgency on October 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM
If they have Cap and Trade they don’t have enough for ObamaCare!
upinak on October 28, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Does a balking Baucus trump a rampaging Reid? Perhaps somebody didn’t do a good job of stacking the deck.
I would almost consider being for this bill if it would cost that spineless pretty boy Bayh his seat, but I love my country too much to doom it just to rid my state of that hoosier hemorrhoid.
SKYFOX on October 28, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Just a larger object to remove from our throats.
upinak on October 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM
I enjoy watching the Enemy Party tearing itself up a little. While the Pubs have their own infighting, a conservative takeover can help the country. The Enemy has only liberal, more-liberal, and radical. There’s no hope for real change there.
If the living dead of the movies went to a Dem gathering looking for brains to eat, they’d starve.
Liam on October 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM
SKYFOX I’ll trade you a Boxer for a Bayh.
sandee on October 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Pathetic. A majority in both houses and a Dem in the White House and they still can’t get anything passed. They could pass anything they wanted to if they really really wanted it, and were not afraid of losing their jobs. Just goes to show you how many real conservatives there are in Blue country, contrary to popular belief.
Johnnyreb on October 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM
no Common Sense. Crap & Tax, it’s all they know.
kirkill on October 28, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Incrementalism is the only way they can push this garbage through. They can only pass a very watered down bill, then start added more and more garbage to it in the years to come. The same will be with health care. There will be a bill that is passed and over the years more and more will be added to it to make it what they are trying to ram through today.
bbordwell on October 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Waterloooooooooooo ah !
bluegrass on October 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Rahm must be running out of dead fish and horse heads.
farright on October 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM
The heat is a coming
bluegrass on October 28, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Here goes the libtards round and round
Chasing their own tails around
hawkman on October 28, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Cap and Trade is toast. Obama took the only Dem Senators and Governors that were hot for it AND didn’t reside on either coast, stuck them in his cabinet and their replacements are now all facing special elections. Smooth move there Holmes.
Rocks on October 28, 2009 at 12:44 PM
This has got to frustrating beyond belief for the statists to have the majorities that they do and STILL not get the agenda through.
May this never happen to conservatism if the situation is reveresed, and hopefully it will be on Jan 20, 2013.
WashJeff on October 28, 2009 at 12:45 PM
It’s really wrong suggesting this or that is Obama’s Waterloo.
You can’t have a Waterloo till you actually win a battle.
Being named general doesn’t really count.
Rocks on October 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM
You make a good point. I don’t yet see a Waterloo, but I see Enemy victory on C&T and Health being Pyrrhic. It will do them little good to pass these disasters yet lose the vast majorities they hold.
I like that idea more.
Liam on October 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Conservative states need to stop electing Democrats. MT, WV, KS, and others keep sending “moderates” to the House and Senate who inevitably throw in with the Left.
DerKrieger on October 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM
farright,
that’s the demoncRAT party…
mountainmanbob on October 28, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Wait …
Isn’t Grahamnesty ready to support this?
HondaV65 on October 28, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Incrementalism has been their modus operandi for decades. Start small and build. That’s why I’m opposed to Republicans making deals with Democrats because it never fails that the Dems roll the GOP who foolishly believe that by giving the Dems 50% of what they want that the Dems will be satisfied. No, they just come back for the other 50% later.
DerKrieger on October 28, 2009 at 12:58 PM
SKYFOX I’ll trade you a Boxer for a Bayh.
sandee on October 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM
No deal, Sandee, but I will pray for you. Still have a mom and two brothers in CA. Problem is, I think they all vote Democrat. Check that…I know my mother does. One brother may vote Republican and the other is too stoned to bother registering.
SKYFOX on October 28, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Baucus balks the raucous caucus.
If there\’s coal in them thar hills, ye olde Senator won\’t vote for crap-and-be-trade.
Best solution for this issue: Nuke it. Nuke the bill, and nuclear power. Follow the French, who get 80% of their power from nukes.
Steve Z on October 28, 2009 at 1:05 PM
In total agreement here! And keep working hard on fusion as well. It can be done. Right now, all we’re waiting for is the technology to catch up with the the math and physics.
If anyone can do it first, it will be an American.
Liam on October 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM
I will pray that sanity is prevalent.
Johan Klaus on October 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM
I blame Bush and the republicans.
jukin on October 28, 2009 at 1:18 PM
As a Montanan I have watched Baucus in action for over 30 years. His only goal is to be re-elected. He has appeased the unions and is smart enough to hold the support of the NRA. He knows that his constituency does not want C and T or Obamacare so he is going to put on an appearance of backbone for re-election purposes. But, under the lizard’s skin, he is very liberal and will change his mind on Cap and Trade when BO puts on the pressure. Obamacare will be his legacy and, hopefully, his one-way ticket back to Montana where he will be received with scorn. I apologize to the US for Baucus.
MadinMT on October 28, 2009 at 1:20 PM
This crap, and trade bill needs to be dead , and buried with the Obama crap bill.
This is going to hurt EVERYONE, but those most favored states. It’s a bogus attempt to get the rest of the nation to prop up the governments of failed states that rely on Democrats to run them.
KILL THEM BOTH!!!
capejasmine on October 28, 2009 at 1:24 PM
Come on Soros, bail um out again. I would love to see Soros a penniless pauper.
mobydutch on October 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM
If it bleeds…we can kill it! the bills of course!:)
WhatsRight on October 28, 2009 at 1:28 PM
mankai on October 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM
AAAAHHAAAAA…
Folks don’t just enjoy the show… Deliver a kick in the teeth. Pick out conservatives (adults) and support them all the way through 2010 and 2012. Barry is up for election in 2012 and we need to get this fellow with a “Gift” out of 1600 Pen. Ave… Enough of mopping.
antisocial on October 28, 2009 at 1:31 PM
The only thing Democrats are moderately competent at is campaigning and getting their worthless, corrupt asses elected.
Coupled with the buffoonery of the RNC and the press trying to hand every election to a Democrat, that’s more than enough.
NoDonkey on October 28, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Sane OR well-meaning people don’t raise energy prices in a horrible economy.
marklmail on October 28, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Put… the crack… DOWN!
alexwest on October 28, 2009 at 1:44 PM
It doesn’t matter, the Maoists in the EPA will do whatever they want if Congress can’t pull a Crap’N Tax bill together. We’re screwed either way…
Wyznowski on October 28, 2009 at 1:59 PM
So true. Repubs have been
losingwillingly giving up ground to the left for so long that what’s referred to as “the center” today is what I would objectively call pretty far left.In fact, someone said recently on the radio (either Glenn Beck or Andrew Wilkow, can’t remember) taht JFK would have been shunned by today’s RNC as being too “far right.” I thought that was an interesting and accurate observation.
UltimateBob on October 28, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Some EU dude claimed a few years ago, that if we didn’t stop global warming, within a century, Antarctica will be the only inhabitable planet.
So I present to you a compromise.
We do nothing to stop global warming, and present everyone who believes in global warming, a one way ticket to Antarctica.
MarkTheGreat on October 28, 2009 at 2:14 PM
If they try to implement this through the EPA, the public backlash will end up gutting the EPA.
Which would be a good thing.
MarkTheGreat on October 28, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Coal and oil are the reason. There is a lot of coal in eastern Montana and Baucus is feeling the heat from voters and donors at home. He was also on the wrong side of the Sunstein approval. Wait til that guy tries to outlaw hunting and guns. Baucus will be toast.
Kissmygrits on October 29, 2009 at 10:57 AM