Video: Reid praises Lieberman, refers to self in third person

posted at 10:26 pm on October 27, 2009 by Allahpundit

Why so cheery and forgiving after today’s kick to the groin when other liberals are sticking pins in their Joementum voodoo dolls? Because, for the moment, Liebs has him over a barrel and will need to be wooed unless and until Snowe or Collins changes her vote to become lucky number 60. As predicted, Reid’s benefiting momentarily from the distraction of a grand-scale Two Minutes Hate over Lieberman on the left (replete with threats of another Ned Lamont primary challenge, don’t you know), but read this smart piece by a lefty at HuffPo to grasp just what a huge strategic failure this was on Reid’s part.

When Reid made his happy announcement [yesterday], I assumed he had cut a deal with Lieberman to guarantee his vote on cloture, because it would be foolish beyond foolishness to abandon Snowe without knowing — knowing — that Lieberman’s vote was secure. And now we learn that Reid was foolish, and Lieberman’s vote was not secure, and health care reform may well be dead…

Lieberman must be bribed, not punished — as must Snowe and Collins and anyone else who can provide that 60th vote. Nor should we be mad at Obama, at least for this particular fiasco; in any case, he has at least three years left in office and must soldier on, hopefully wiser and a hell of a lot tougher.

Reid’s head, on the other hand, should roll for this. He did the right thing yesterday, but apparently without laying the necessary groundwork first. Even freshman Congressman Alan Grayson could see that Lieberman was dangerous, but the experienced Reid did not? That’s inexcusable. The post of Senate Majority Leader belongs to a cynic, not a naif. It should be held by a tough negotiator, not a lapdog. It calls for someone willing, in Howard Dean’s memorable phrase, to “use his majority so he doesn’t lose his majority.” It calls for a leader with the simple common sense, the simple worldly wisdom, not to trust Joe Lieberman with the most important policy initiative of the most important Democratic majority since FDR. And Harry Reid — as many have known all along — is not that leader.

Much more at the link, including praise for the GOP’s shrewdness in not alienating Snowe by beating up on her before Lieberman made his move. In Reid’s defense, given the razor’s-edge nature of the vote in the Senate, even if he had bought off Lieberman he’d probably be in this same position with Ben Nelson or Blanche Lincoln or Landrieu or Bayh or Pryor. Every centrist is potentially the 60th vote; every Blue Dog will have to be bought off or else one of the Maine twins won over, and maybe Reid realized that he simply didn’t have enough legislative goodies to make that happen. So, faced with a choice of offering a bill with no public option and watching the left turn against him or offering a bill with a public option which he knew Lieberman would vote against, why not choose the latter course and hope that Liebs draws most of the heat from progressives?

Exit question: Now that Snowe and Collins each stand to be the 60th vote, aren’t they faced with a major prisoner’s dilemma in being the first to strike a deal with Reid — possibly to become a Democrat or independent and receive all kinds of plum committee assignments — and thereby become the crucial tiebreaker? Assuming, that is, that he can keep the rest of the Democrats on board.


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The difference between the Conservative and Liberal sides of the health care, and almost every other, issue is that we’re the ones with the Constitution on our side. The Lefties seem to think that simply having the majority gives them carte blanche to do whatever they damn well please.

DerKrieger on October 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Hands off Jimmy!

lorien1973 on October 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM

“The war is lost…” – Harry Reid

By the way, Senator, you have some semen on your chin…

Seven Percent Solution on October 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Exit question: Now that Snowe and Collins each stand to be the 60th vote, aren’t they faced with a major prisoner’s dilemma in being the first to strike a deal with Reid — possibly to become a Democrat or independent and receive all kinds of plum committee assignments — and thereby become the crucial tiebreaker? Assuming, that is, that he can keep the rest of the Democrats on board.

Well, that’s the Nov. 4th tell isn’t it? Snowe or Collins are easy picks…with the right kind of political lies.

But the Blue Dogs? Whole different ball game.

AUINSC on October 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM

There you have it,

JOIN THE ENEMY!

Reid admits,the Liberal Party is thee enemy!!

Wow,this day is getting better!

canopfor on October 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM

read this smart piece by a lefty at HuffPo

That was a very good article. Reid has always struck me as a guy who keeps campaigning because he wouldn’t really be good at anything else, as opposed to individuals like Pelosi, Frank and Dodd, who are in it for the power and influence.

That he could screw something up this badly isn’t even mildly surprising.

BadgerHawk on October 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM

blatantblue is sick of dhimmicratz

blatantblue on October 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Stepping on the figs that the apes eat, they crunch. The apes howl, bare their fangs, dance, tumble in the rushing water, musty, wet pelts glistening in the blue.

LibTired on October 27, 2009 at 10:36 PM

I hate saying this about an old guy but…. what a tool.

txag92 on October 27, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Love the Nineteen Eighty-Four reference, AP.

Red Cloud on October 27, 2009 at 10:37 PM

But where does Al Franken stand on the issue?

John the Libertarian on October 27, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Had Gore won in 2000, Joe Lieberman could conceivably be president today. Kiss the ring, Reid.

perroviejo on October 27, 2009 at 10:37 PM

blatantblue is sick of dhimmicratz

blatantblue on October 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM

blatantblue: And LibTards as well,jus try’n to help!!:)

canopfor on October 27, 2009 at 10:37 PM

blatantblue is sick of dhimmicratz

blatantblue on October 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM

You just made and enjoyable moment…hilarious!

AUINSC on October 27, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Bob Dole doesn’t need this!

Rosmerta on October 27, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Bob Dole doesn’t need this!

Rosmerta on October 27, 2009 at 10:38 PM

LOL!

John the Libertarian on October 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Opt out?

Opt in?

Co-op?

WTF?

In short, FU Harry.

profitsbeard on October 27, 2009 at 10:41 PM

I’m getting so sick of hearing about the health care debate. Bleh!

terryannonline on October 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM

I’m getting so sick of hearing about the health care debate. Bleh!

terryannonline on October 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Why do you hate health?

LibTired on October 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Why do you hate health? black people

LibTired on October 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM

blatantblue on October 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Exit question: Now that Snowe and Collins each stand to be the 60th vote, aren’t they faced with a major prisoner’s dilemma in being the first to strike a deal with Reid — possibly to become a Democrat or independent and receive all kinds of plum committee assignments — and thereby become the crucial tiebreaker? Assuming, that is, that he can keep the rest of the Democrats on board.

If NY-23 and New Jersey go Conservative Party and Republican respectively on Tuesday, I don’t think Collins or Snow will be doing any jumping. Arlen was even a little behind the curve when he jumped, but to jump over to the other side at a point where the Democrats’ 2010 prospects are not looking good would be a major stretch, even for two senators who vote as much with them as they do with the GOP.

jon1979 on October 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Note what he had to say to his “nutcase base” the other day. “At least I tried”. People need to stay on his butt and get him out of office in 2010.

suzyk on October 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Well, this is the only time i’ve ever seen this creep Reid, EVER, where he didn’t curdle my blood.

He actually seems like a normal human in the clip.

Eating a little crow seems to be good for him.

Now I’m wondering if the Witch might actually be capable of human behaviour as well.

notagool on October 27, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Please, for the love of God, keep Snowe from having another historic orgasm.

Enoxo on October 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM

senile.

D2Boston on October 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM

I’m getting so sick of hearing about the health care debate. Bleh!

terryannonline on October 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM

That’s what they’re counting on.

thomasaur on October 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Fear of Lieberman is
Understandable…he has democrats
Concerned because he’s jumping around like a
Kangaroo.

Respect is earned, Harry.
Especially if you’re a “leader”.
I personally think Reid is insane. He’s
Dumber than a box of rocks.

SouthernGent on October 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM

thomasaur on October 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Yep…it is very tiring..and very important. Can’t get tired now.

AUINSC on October 27, 2009 at 10:52 PM

We won’t have him to kick around anymore…after next year. heh

d1carter on October 27, 2009 at 10:53 PM

OT But Just heard Obama on Fox….what a schmuck

CWforFreedom on October 27, 2009 at 10:54 PM

thomasaur on October 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Yep…it is very tiring..and very important. Can’t get tired now.

AUINSC on October 27, 2009 at 10:52 PM

AUINSC:Liberal Playbook,slow ‘Incrementalization’ process!:)

canopfor on October 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Slimy weasel of a man…

Claypigeon on October 27, 2009 at 10:56 PM

lorien1973 on October 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Love it!!!! I can’t hear anyone say their name in third person without thinking “Jimmy”. LOL

behiker on October 27, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Reid is in a corner and knows it. The lefty base will crucify him if he did not put in public option. Reid chose the only path he could chose. Plus the realty market in Vegas is in the crapper also.

Dire Straits on October 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Harry Reid is the worst of Harry Reid’s problems…along with his unemployment in 2010.

dthorny on October 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Hands off Jimmy!

lorien1973 on October 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Jimmy’s getting UPSET!

UltimateBob on October 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Lieberman must be bribed, not punished — as must Snowe and Collins and anyone else who can provide that 60th vote.

This is, after all, the only way that Dems know how to get anything done. Pay off (or crush) anyone who stands in your way.

Reasoned debate and gentle persuasion are simply not in their arsenal of tactics.

UltimateBob on October 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM

It was obvious from the beginning of this episode that Reid was going the “hey, I tried” route to save himself from the Daily Kos wing of the party.

Reid’s already a long way down the Son Of Daschle road in Nevada. He and his team can ramble on about ‘vaporizing’ opponents and even employ some third person references if they wish, but they know they have zero chance in Reid’s election if Dirty Harry becomes MoveOn’s next target.

Reid doesn’t care about the public option. As for most Dems (and GOP), the health care debate is only important to him as it relates to his own political future.

PhoenixUniversal on October 27, 2009 at 11:05 PM

Reasoned debate and gentle persuasion are simply not in their arsenal of tactics.

UltimateBob on October 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Reasoned debate and gentle persuasion take truth…of which they have NONE…

Ltlgeneral64 on October 27, 2009 at 11:09 PM

There are days Joe Lieberman makes me glad I voted for him.

ctmom on October 27, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Facing disastrous polling data, Harry Reid tries to put distance between himself.

theperfecteconomist on October 27, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Is it just me, or is that Olympia Snowe sexy? I mean really, I bet she was smokin when she was college age. . . not that she\’s old now, just older.

ThackerAgency on October 27, 2009 at 11:24 PM

As said above, Snowe or Collins jumping parties would not be a very wise move at this point. Plum committee assignments? Yeah, ask Specter about that. If they are lucky, given the potential backlash in 2010, they might be able to hold on to their seats when up for re-election. Jumping ship would pretty much guarantee their retirement if things come together as they appear to now.

/Obviously, a lot can happen in a year.

AZfederalist on October 27, 2009 at 11:25 PM

Is it just me, or is that Olympia Snowe sexy? I mean really, I bet she was smokin when she was college age. . . not that she\’s old now, just older.

ThackerAgency on October 27, 2009 at 11:24 PM

I wonder if you’re smokin right now.

Fallen Sparrow on October 27, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Is it just me, or is that Olympia Snowe sexy? I mean really, I bet she was smokin when she was college age. . . not that she\’s old now, just older.

ThackerAgency on October 27, 2009 at 11:24 PM

I like M*A*S*H, but not that much.
She looks like Hawkeye in Klinger’s clothes.

mrt721 on October 27, 2009 at 11:42 PM

Lieberman must be bribed, not punished — as must Snowe and Collins and anyone else who can provide that 60th vote.
This is, after all, the only way that Dems know how to get anything done. Pay off (or crush) anyone who stands in your way.

Reasoned debate and gentle persuasion are simply not in their arsenal of tactics.

UltimateBob on October 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Please tell me someone here has a login at HuffPo and will post that in the comment section of that piece. Please.

Dominion on October 27, 2009 at 11:56 PM

That’s it. He’s finally cracking under the strain.

alexwest on October 28, 2009 at 12:01 AM

I can smell Harry’s BO from the other side of the country. He just looks old and smelly.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 28, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Reasoned debate and gentle persuasion are simply not in their arsenal of tactics.

UltimateBob on October 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Please tell me someone here has a login at HuffPo and will post that in the comment section of that piece. Please.

Dominion on October 27, 2009 at 11:56 PM

I would, but…. every time I visit DailyKoz, I feel dirty and need to jump in the shower afterwards.

Anyone else here who is braver than I, please feel free to post my comment at that filthy site.

UltimateBob on October 28, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Is it just me, or is that Olympia Snowe sexy?

ThackerAgency on October 27, 2009 at 11:24 PM

It’s just you.

UltimateBob on October 28, 2009 at 12:16 AM

And the left praises moronic plagiarers, once again:

It calls for someone willing, in Howard Dean’s memorable phrase, to “use his majority so he doesn’t lose his majority.”

That’s traditionally known as the “memorable phrase”, ‘use it or lose it.’

These lefties are too much, really.

progressoverpeace on October 28, 2009 at 12:16 AM

And Harry Reid — as many have known all along — is not that leader.

Hello, America!

Schadenfreude on October 28, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Dingy Harry’s right; Joe is the least of his worries…compared to something like…oh, say…the 2010 Nevada Senate race, for example…

Dopenstrange on October 28, 2009 at 1:08 AM

Not too much longer to go till Dingy Harry is out of office.
sitting in his rocking chair with a coal cob pipe
Mary Janes’ a burning hot and dry-

hawkman on October 28, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Exit question: Now that Snowe and Collins each stand to be the 60th vote, aren’t they faced with a major prisoner’s dilemma in being the first to strike a deal with Reid — possibly to become a Democrat or independent and receive all kinds of plum committee assignments — and thereby become the crucial tiebreaker? Assuming, that is, that he can keep the rest of the Democrats on board.

All that Snowe and Collins have to do is to look at the bag of goodies promised to Arlen Specter, which magically turned out to be a bag of noxious gas once he made actually made the jump. If they think that the Dems are good on their promises, then they’re more delusional than I thought, and good riddance to them. Go ahead and jump, ladies. Just remember what the ultimate ‘end’ was for Thelma and Louise! Dead is dead, and so goes it for career politicians who try to play both sides of the isle.

KendraWilder on October 28, 2009 at 1:50 AM

possibly to become a Democrat or independent and receive all kinds of plum committee assignments

Yeah, because that worked so well for Specter, didn’t it?

When the Democrat Senators voted not to give Specter the seniority Reid promised him to get him to switch, they guaranteed that the Maine twins wouldn’t switch.

Greg Q on October 28, 2009 at 2:05 AM

Dingy Harry wrote a book? Who knew….

Mallard T. Drake on October 28, 2009 at 2:19 AM

I’ve watched Joe for years. He is the classic fence sitter and handwringer who attracts much media attention by manuvering his way into the drivers seat. “Oh the agony of the moral decision” he feints, and then coldly votes for abortion.

I suspect Joe was driven by his mis-treatment he received at the hands of the “throw him under the bus” party. They seriously miscalculated that liberal Connecticut would love to dump him, but his hand wringing had endured him enough with all camps here, and they loathed the rotten politics of the party transparently hitting on one of their own. Having the enormously despised Lowell Weicker (suckered Ct into its first income tax) come out against him, guaranteed his win.

Joe may be honest about the reasonn for his vote -no one but he really knows. Like a high fly that the wind blows over the fence and wins one for the home team, I’ll stand and cheer his home run – this time.

Don L on October 28, 2009 at 5:13 AM

I like how he tries to push his book in the clip LOL.

Harry Reid is the worst of Harry Reid’s problems…dthorny on October 27, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Big 10-4 on that! A+++

RedbonePro on October 28, 2009 at 5:17 AM

and this is why I always found the reconciliation argument as silly. I don’t believe Reid is capable of pulling it off from a purely tactical standpoint. Think about it this way, he has a 60 vote majority and he lost the medicare vote last week. That vote was even easier then the health care vote and he got his but handed to him. he really thought going on the record would force democrats who have said all along they won’t vote for a public option, that they now will.
MEMO TO HARRY: YOU DO NOT ELECT YOUR FELLOW SENATORS AND NEITHER DOES THE NETROOTS.

rob verdi on October 28, 2009 at 6:17 AM

Dingy Harry wrote a book? Who knew….

Mallard T. Drake on October 28, 2009 at 2:19 AM

It’s called “Dying is for Schmucks…..How to carry on years after doctors pronounce you deceased”.

Jerome Horwitz on October 28, 2009 at 7:26 AM

Somewhere in the back of Joe’s mind, he must be absolutely amused with the fact that after the Dem’s deserted him the last election, seeking to exile him to Siberia, he now holds their collective nuts in his hands, squeezing ever so slightly, but firmly as not to cause pain, but waiting for the right moment to cause a most excrutiating pain that will bring a most sweet smile to his face.

Of course, the dinner will be served cold.

tatersalad on October 28, 2009 at 8:02 AM

Is it just me, or is that Olympia Snowe sexy? I mean really, I bet she was smokin when she was college age. . . not that she\’s old now, just older.

ThackerAgency on October 27, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Hottest cookie on her whole wagon train.

marklmail on October 28, 2009 at 8:05 AM

Exit question: Now that Snowe and Collins each stand to be the 60th vote, aren’t they faced with a major prisoner’s dilemma in being the first to strike a deal with Reid — possibly to become a Democrat or independent and receive all kinds of plum committee assignments — and thereby become the crucial tiebreaker? Assuming, that is, that he can keep the rest of the Democrats on board.

With snowe and lieberrman not on board this will give cover for Lincoln, Nelson etc to not vote for it.
My guess this is just Reid doing some CYA, he offers up the public option knowing it will not pass and then allowing the progressives to be faced with taking it off the table of having nothing.

kangjie on October 28, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Dingy Harry wrote a book? Who knew….

Mallard T. Drake on October 28, 2009 at 2:19 AM

It’s called “Dying is for Schmucks…..How to carry on years after doctors pronounce you deceased”.

Jerome Horwitz on October 28, 2009 at 7:26 AM

That just made my day!!!

txhsmom on October 28, 2009 at 8:58 AM

“George likes his chicken spicy!”

varnson on October 28, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Revenge is a dish best served cold

J_Crater on October 28, 2009 at 9:36 AM

They are all waiting for the elections to see which way the winds are blowing. After that the fence sitters will reach a decision. For a lot of them it’s all about face time in front of a mike. That’s why the narcissist in chief is always looking for the totus.

Kissmygrits on October 28, 2009 at 9:38 AM