Joe Lieberman is the quintessential sensible liberal. Politico and others reported yesterday: Lieberman, who caucuses with Democrats and is positioning himself as a fiscal hawk on the issue, said he opposes any health care bill that includes a governme…

Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, announced that in this case, members of his party will treat it as though it were “a vote on the merits” of a bill he said would “cut Medicare, raise taxes and increase health insurance premiums.” He suggested Democrats could expect campaign commercials next year on the basis of the vote, and recalled that Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., was ridiculed in his 2004 presidential campaign for having once said he voted for a bill before he voted against it.

a number of the No votes, can be won over with the right mix of pressure and incentives

Yep, Nancy with her ‘taxpayer funded unlimited checkbook’ and Rahm Emmanuel’s muscle ‘we won’t forget who are friends are’.

Seems Barry is about to find out how many Democrats are willing to fall on their swords in 2010 for him. The guy’s huge ego actually believes that there members of Congress willing to die politically for him.

By forcing a vote on the public option, they focus attention on the Blue Dogs who are opposing it — and who happen to be the most vulnerable Democrats next year.

Considering that the Blue Dogs generally come from centrist or right leaning districts, that’s probably a good thing.

I for one am sick of their concensus B.S.

Dingy, dirty, tiny, smelly, corrupt, Harry Reid come 2010 and 2012 the American people will show you and you progressives and Rinos concensus at the ballot box and you will be gone!
Ha! Crapweasals!

I RARELY agree with AP. Ok almot never.

That beaing said, something smells stinky here.

I don’t trust this drama to not be just another circus act to distract, while they rob us under the bleechers.

The Ronin Edge on October 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM

New Republic thinks they have it figured out:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/it-was-lieberman-all-along

I’ve been thinking for a couple weeks that Joe Lieberman is the Democrats’ biggest potential problem. The rest of the party has a strong incentive to pass health care reform and avoid a 2010 catastrophe. But Lieberman? He’s not a Democrat and won’t be running on the Democratic ticket in 2012. Moreover, my read on him is that he’s furious with the party, resentful of President Obama (who beat his friend in 2008) and would relish a Democratic catastrophe.

Of course, I can’t prove this. But look at Lieberman’s reason for why he now says he’ll vote to sustain a GOP filibuster of health care reform:

“We’re trying to do too much at once,” Lieberman said. “To put this government-created insurance company on top of everything else is just asking for trouble for the taxpayers, for the premium payers and for the national debt. I don’t think we need it now.”

Lieberman added that he’d vote against a public option plan “even with an opt-out because it still creates a whole new government entitlement program for which taxpayers will be on the line.”

It literally makes no sense whatsoever. A public plan does not provide a new entitlement. It just doesn’t. It’s a different form of providing an entitlement. Nor is it more expensive. In fact, the stronger versions of the public plan would cost less money. Lieberman is just babbling nonsense here.

Another reason for his position, of course, is that Connecticut is home to some huge insurance companies, who don’t want any new competition. But the other Connecticut Senator isn’t threatening a filibuster. I think Lieberman is the one to watch. My guess is that ultimately he’ll vote for reform, but he’ll do so because the Democrats will scale back their plan and win over Olympia Snowe, making Lieberman’s opposition academic. Lieberman won’t join a futile filibuster, but if he has the chance to stick in the knife and kill health care reform, I think he’d probably jump at the chance.

The wrecking crew has used FHA to get subprime loan levels way back up and more banks will go down or be nationalized. If the rumored collapse of the commercial R/E market comes off about the same time, even worse. More people out of work, desperate, and Bama will offer them something just to ease their mind. Some Kool-Aid with a opt out for elections in 2012…and some people will take it.

Hitler did it, and a bunch of others. Too much chaos and too many will follow the man who promises a little stability, peasce and quiet. Just put on these handcuffs and you will be liberated!

Maybe the Mayan caledar runs out in 2012 because after then we will need a new one, or people won’t care too much about what day it is. Maybe I read too much sci-fi, too.

Intrade\’s prices on health care reform passing this year

Apparently the markets turned really sour on it in the last 24 hours.

Good markets. Smart markets.