Video: Scozzafava accepts Margaret Sanger Award

posted at 11:38 am on October 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

How much of a “Reagan Republican” is Dede Scozzafava, running as the endorsed Republican candidate in the NY23 special Congressional election? Maybe Newt Gingrich should have done a little more research before jumping into this race with both feet — or better yet, that’s what the county GOP officials who put their heads together to come up with Scozzafava in the first place should have done. It’s one thing to be pro-choice out of a sense of libertarianism, but another entirely to be a Margaret Sanger acolyte … and March 2008 award winner:

As Kathryn Jean Lopez says, Congress hardly needs another Sanger fan. After the Mona Lisa Project exposed so many of these Planned Parenthood offices as lawbreakers and exploiters of potentially abused young girls for profit, this connection should have been a red flag to the GOP.

Update: This got covered by Michelle last week, and by Madison Conservative in our Green Room.


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I’m not okay with it after it causes pain to the fetus, except for significant medical problems. But that’s probably in the 18-20 week range.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Look, if you can justify taking a life what else can you justify? Or what wouldn’t you justify?
Please. Killing an perfectly innocent life because you’ve got better things to do is an incredible amount of selfishness and ego. Sorry.

ORconservative on October 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Look, if you can justify taking a life what else can you justify? Or what wouldn’t you justify?

Please. Killing an perfectly innocent life because you’ve got better things to do is an incredible amount of selfishness and ego. Sorry.

ORconservative on October 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM

–Well, we (like the rest of the US on this issue) will just have to agree to disagree.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM

I’m not okay with it after it causes pain to the fetus, except for significant medical problems. But that’s probably in the 18-20 week range.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

How do you know? And what significant medical problems can you think of which would justify the killing of a human life?

Trafalgar on October 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Just think … illegal aliens have flocked into the country to fill in for the work force that we aborted.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

How do you know? And what significant medical problems can you think of which would justify the killing of a human life?

Trafalgar on October 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM

–Well, my understanding is that the nervous system isn’t developed until that time. And I’ve read testimony from pro-lifers that says fetuses can’t feel pain until about that time. And I do think uncorrectible serious health problems which would lead to a very early death or a stillbirth would justify the killing of a later-term fetus.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

The good news is that abortion fans and liberals (but I repeat myself) are systematically self-limiting.

Can you think of anything more perverse than aborting one’s offspring from a Darwinian perspective?

Immolate on October 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Just think … illegal aliens have flocked into the country to fill in for the work force that we aborted.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

–Unfortunately, darwin, if you take that to the logical conclusion, our use of birth control has also created that problem.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

–Unfortunately, darwin, if you take that to the logical conclusion, our use of birth control has also created that problem.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Not really, why are we killing so many babies if birth control use is that wide spread? Since Roe v Wade how many have been killed? Is it 30 million? Maybe the number was as high as 70 million. I’ll have to double check but it’s a very large number.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM

–Well, my understanding is that the nervous system isn’t developed until that time. And I’ve read testimony from pro-lifers that says fetuses can’t feel pain until about that time. And I do think uncorrectible serious health problems which would lead to a very early death or a stillbirth would justify the killing of a later-term fetus.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

But you grant that, given time, a nervous system will develop and given more time a fully formed human being will emerge? If that’s the case you must believe that a fetus is a life.

And if you believe that there are health problems which may result in stillbirth or early death, why not let the child go to term and take its chances rather than kill it in utero and give it no chance at all?

Trafalgar on October 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM

It’s like 60 million.

My point was, if you’re saying that illegal aliens wouldn’t be needed in this country if we had more kids of our own, then both abortion and birth control have contributed to the problem.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM

But you grant that, given time, a nervous system will develop and given more time a fully formed human being will emerge? If that’s the case you must believe that a fetus is a life.

–I believe it is a life and it is a human life for medical purposes. I just don’t believe it is entitled to be treated as a full human life for legal or moral purposes.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

–I believe it is a life and it is a human life for medical purposes. I just don’t believe it is entitled to be treated as a full human life for legal or moral purposes.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

If it’s a you believe it’s a human life for any purpose, it’s a human life for every purpose.

Trafalgar on October 26, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

It is a life or it isn’t, you can’t compatmentalize it.

Trafalgar on October 26, 2009 at 4:56 PM

compartmentalize either!

Trafalgar on October 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

My point was, if you’re saying that illegal aliens wouldn’t be needed in this country if we had more kids of our own, then both abortion and birth control have contributed to the problem.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM

We can’t quantify birth control … however, the numbers are there for abortion.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

–I believe it is a life and it is a human life for medical purposes. I just don’t believe it is entitled to be treated as a full human life for legal or moral purposes.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Whereas if it grows up and kills a score of people, it’s entitled to a multi-million dollar legal defense to keep it alive.

Funny how that works.

Totally innocent, 70+ years of potential life – disposable.

Murdering, thieving, raping POS – entitled to be fed and to be defended from justice.

Seems to me, we try ‘em then fry ‘em we’ll have enough to take care of the babies for the most part and the rest we’ll contribute to via charity.

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Jimbo3 – From what you’ve written on this thread I get the feeling that you are confused and struggling with this issue. I’ve been there too. But you you also seem like you can be swayed. Please, give it a lot of thought, think about the things that have been said, study more about it.

For my part, I will keep you in my prayers.

It’s been an interesting discussion, thanks to all the great HA contributors. Now I have to run.

Trafalgar on October 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM

I’m not okay with it after it causes pain to the fetus, except for significant medical problems. But that’s probably in the 18-20 week range.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

(Pain == Humanity) is certainly one measure.

If a human loses or never had the ability to feel pain, it isn’t murder any more. Got it.

unclesmrgol on October 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Thanks for the good wishes, Trafalgar.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM

(Pain == Humanity) is certainly one measure.

unclesmrgol on October 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Well, I know some animal rights activists who would agree with you. Being the argumentative sort of person I am, when I walked home on Saturday and passed the protesters from the Animal Liberation Front I argued them and the entire notion that we must never do anything causes any pain or do anything that kills.
That we kill sometimes is a must and that that killing will sometime be painful is also unavoidable: slaughtering for meat, building houses causing environmental destruction and thus starvation in animals, abortion, the death penalty, and defensive wars like in Iraq. Killing is not evil. The commandment in the Torah is against murder. And the Torah and presumably Christianity oppose sadism. But killing in itself is morally neutral as is abortion.

thuja on October 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM

She’s a man, baby!

drjohn on October 26, 2009 at 6:27 PM

But killing in itself is morally neutral as is abortion.

thuja on October 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Only if humans are the soulless equals of animals. To you, perhaps, they are.

SKYFOX on October 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Further proof this woman is unfit to be the GOP candidate.

dogsoldier on October 26, 2009 at 6:37 PM

“The ability to stand on two feet for what you believe in is something that I’ve always found quite easy to do.” -Scozzafava in her acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger Award (about 0:44)

These two feet never had the chance to stand, Ms. Scozzafava.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eiynPp7khBc/Sj7IVyrl_gI/AAAAAAAABqA/eB4lqECgj_s/s400/feet4.jpg

It’s too late for them, but will you allow others to have the chance to stand one day as you have, Ms. Scozzafava?

Probably not, so we will continue to stand for them. And by seeing Mr Hoffman elected instead of you, we hope that one day all little babies will have the same right as you have, to be born and stand for a cause on their own two feet!

JellyToast on October 26, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Only the most morally reprehensible could support the butchering of innocent children.

Jeff from WI on October 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Only the most morally reprehensible could support the butchering of innocent children.

Jeff from WI on October 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM

It’s easy for her to stand as she accepts an award named after a woman who founded an empire built on butchering babies. Not so easy for those who were butchered.

JellyToast on October 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM

But killing in itself is morally neutral as is abortion.

Killing in war, to protect oneself, or as punishment is morally neutral.

Killing a defenseless being (ie: “fetus”, young child, handicapped person, elderly person, etc.) without their consent IS murder. Whether they are aware of what is happening to themselves or not.

SouperConservative on October 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM

It’s easy for her to stand as she accepts an award named after a woman who founded an empire built on butchering babies. Not so easy for those who were butchered.

JellyToast on October 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM

She has a deep character flaw. A kind of demonic quality. As though from the depths of hell.

Jeff from WI on October 26, 2009 at 6:56 PM

She has a deep character flaw. A kind of demonic quality. As though from the depths of hell.

Jeff from WI on October 26, 2009 at 6:56 PM

You mean she’s a female Obama?

SouperConservative on October 26, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Just think … illegal aliens have flocked into the country to fill in for the work force that we aborted.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Not with the jobs they’re taking.

Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 7:04 PM

You mean she’s a female Obama?

SouperConservative on October 26, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Exactly!

Jeff from WI on October 26, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Up until a only a few decades ago doctors commonly withheld using anesthetics when they performed surgical procedures on infants because ‘medical science’ told them an infant’s nervous system was too undeveloped to feel pain.

Medical science, it turns out, was wrong. Whoops.

Don’t be so sure about a fetus feeling no pain based on what medical science currently says.

Yephora on October 26, 2009 at 7:26 PM

–I believe it is a life and it is a human life for medical purposes. I just don’t believe it is entitled to be treated as a full human life for legal or moral purposes.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Talk like that is truly frightening. Of course that is how we got here.

CWforFreedom on October 26, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Not another friggin’ dime for RNC. They back this loser just like they backed Lincoln Chafee against a conservative Republican in primary. RNC is equal in blame as Obama for the destruction of the country. Not another friggin’ dime. I’ll continue to back candidate of my choice.

Wade on October 26, 2009 at 8:00 PM

–I believe it is a life and it is a human life for medical purposes. I just don’t believe it is entitled to be treated as a full human life for legal or moral purposes.

Jimbo3 on October 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I feel the same way about abortionists.

I mean, I would never harm one, but who am I to judge?

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 8:43 PM

I just don’t understand the blood thirsty, baby murdering crowd.

Kjeil on October 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Kjeil on October 26, 2009 at 9:06 PM

They’re imagining all the people, living life in peace.

The ones who get born, that is.

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 9:16 PM

If she is a recipient of the Margaret Sanger award she must believe in the killing of black fetuses. Perfectly good white children should be allowed to be born according to this crowd.

I hope Hoffman kills her at the polls.

micmac on October 26, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Didn’t Margaret Sanger support abortion as a means to control “ethnic undesirables”? Utterly detestable. That would be the last person/award I’d want to be associated with. God speed, Mr. Hoffman.

LoneStarGal on October 26, 2009 at 9:42 PM

AnninCA on October 26, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Ann,

I’m gonna be out in CA to visit my family around Christmas time.

I seem to remember you live in the SF Bay Area.

My Dad went to Serra High School. He’s in their Sports Hall of Fame.

I would like to meet the infamous UBER-CONCERN TROLL that drives us CRAZY.

:)

Sapwolf on October 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM

Sorry Dede. That is not a good award for a GOP politician.

It is not a good award for any human being.

Sapwolf on October 26, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Killing an perfectly innocent life because you’ve got better things to do is an incredible amount of selfishness and ego.

So you’re a vegetarian, right? After all, the alternative is killing a perfectly innocent life because you’ve got better things to do (eating meat rather than other foods).

Either you are a vegetarian, you have a medical condition requiring you to eat meat, what you wrote is not what you meant, or you are a hypocrite. I, like most humans, do think human life should be distinguished from other animal life, but killing for food is ending innocent life, even when you get someone else to do your dirty work for you.

calbear on October 26, 2009 at 10:02 PM

But I’ll never get it.

AnninCA on October 26, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Don’t say such foolish things. You should WISH that you someday get it. I mean that sincerely. You don’t understand how liberating it will be once you someday ‘get it’.

Sapwolf on October 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM

calbear on October 26, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Yes, because domesticated animals raised expressly to provide food are EXACTLY the same as human beings.

Well, you anyway.

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Scozzafava is a fraud, supported by frauds like Newt Gingrich.

nelsonknows on October 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Newt whined that Conservatives outside of NY are interfering; do YOU live in Scozzafava’s district, Mr. Gingrich? You don’t? Then you should SHUT UP.

nelsonknows on October 26, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Scuzzzafava is a liberal. Who else would accept an award named after a genocidal liberal?

BottomLine5 on October 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Is it just me or does anyone else get this “Assault of the Manchurian Candidates” vibe?

Jason Coleman on October 26, 2009 at 11:16 PM

You can tell the man who boozes by the company he chooses — and the pig got up and slowly walked away.

unclesmrgol on October 27, 2009 at 12:48 AM

The Sanger award really does represent the most human life destroyed on purpose. How many worldwide abortions have there been. It’s in the hundreds of millions. The Mao award would be next followed by the Stalin and then the Hitler award.

This lady and people like her make me sick.

Mojave Mark on October 27, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Don’t forget, Sanger was an associate of the Ku Klux Klan. She spoke to many Klan meetings. She is on record calling blacks “human weeds.”

Nice, huh?

gary4205 on October 27, 2009 at 1:25 AM

Just another dykey, homely liberal woman. She belongs in the administration, with about 30 others just like her.

leftnomore on October 27, 2009 at 2:43 AM

I like what she said at 1:20

“..each person is an individual, with his or her own rights, and when you look at it that way a lot of issues become very simple. Issues that are seemingly complex become simple”

Yes, simple, ‘common sense’ one might call these words. How can anyone who truly believes this support killing unborn children in the womb? Is she just throwing out words with no meaning to fill in space? Who wrote this? This seems like a total disconnect to me.

Dollayo on October 27, 2009 at 3:22 AM

Getting back to the point of this thread, the support of this woman, this Democrat in disguise, by the GOP, one has to wonder. We rightly accuse the Democrats of having no core principles, no line that they won’t cross to win; the Republicans are showing the exact same void of principle by backing a pro-abortion candidate. Evidently, dead babies mean nothing to Newt, and the GOP leaders, if they can support a baby killer.

Jeff from WI on October 27, 2009 at 5:27 AM

Do all these left leaning, baby killing women come from some factory?
They all look alike.

Jeff from WI on October 27, 2009 at 6:23 AM

Who’s the dude getting the award?

LtE126 on October 27, 2009 at 6:43 AM

Do all these left leaning, baby killing women come from some factory?
They all look alike.
Jeff from WI on October 27, 2009 at 6:23 AM

One those big ones from Caterpillar?

yoda on October 27, 2009 at 7:20 AM

Every Embryology textbook clearly states that HUMAN LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION – not some time before or after that moment.

When human life begins is not a matter of opinion or theory. They can WATCH IT HAPPENING THROUGH A MICROSCOPE!

Anyone who states that its OK to violently murder babies anytime after conception is evil and must be opposed and kept out of all offices local, state & national.

JaqobJackson on October 27, 2009 at 7:57 AM

How small of all that human hearts endure
That part which laws or kings can cause or cure!
Still to ourselves in every place ensigned
Our own felicity we make or find.

— Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

Not only did she get the quote wrong, but it boggles my mind that she can warp its meaning into approving the passage of laws which cause small human hearts to endure the pain and death of abortion so that some people gain a bit more felicity. Right through the last month of pregnancy, if desired, for the mother’s “health.”

But then, liberals do tend to warp the meaning of words to suit the gratification of their own political and selfish desires. So, there’s that.

Loxodonta on October 27, 2009 at 8:01 AM

Who’s the dude getting the award?

LtE126 on October 27, 2009 at 6:43 AM

Classic. Cruel, but she’s not reading this.

Still classic.

Cricket624 on October 27, 2009 at 8:21 AM

I always like to ask abortionists one question: when does life begin? Few can answer the question immediately, and their hesitation telegaraphs the fact that they know there’s a conflict in their reasoning. Put another way, many don’t ask this question of themselves because they know in their hearts where it will lead.

I have known just one abortionist who answered quickly and honestly, with these words, “probably at conception.”

So, when does the baby get to have human rights?

“When she can breathe.”

He acknowledged that it sounded cruel, but that, “as a pro-choice person, I have to accept the fact that abortion is usually killing a viable infant.”

He calls himself a “moral relativist.” Very honest. But cold, man. Very, very cold.

Cricket624 on October 27, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Newt is all about Newt and power. The guy now has as much credibility as Obama and I can not even watch him.
Dede will likely lose this race and likely she can get a job fundraising for Planned Parenthood or Nambla or something.
She doesn’t concern me. Newt, however, appears indicative of a larger much more serious problem.
And btw, I am turning the TV off whenever FOX has him on.

ORconservative on October 27, 2009 at 8:51 AM

So, when does the baby get to have human rights?

“When she can breathe.”

Cricket624 on October 27, 2009 at 8:37 AM

By that standard, it’s okay to kill people by smothering them or turning off their oxygen tanks. So the next time you go to the mall and see someone walking around carrying their portable oxygen tank, go ahead and turn the dial to off. It’s no different than abortion.

SouperConservative on October 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Who would want to win an award named after someone whose radical Eugenecist beliefs inspired the holocaust, and whose racist vitriol empowered groups like the KKK.

THOSE are not American values.

But, that’s par for the course for the morally ambiguous universe of the left.

erakis on October 27, 2009 at 9:37 AM

It had to happen to Newt. The man who has an answer for everything exposed as not having a real answer for anything. Time to put these RINO dinosaurs out to pasture. Newt is another prime example that liberalism is a mental disorder and effect the left or the right depending on whether you can maintain your values. Newt obviously couldn’t.

volsense on October 27, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Time to trade our RINOs for their Blue Dogs and start all over.

volsense on October 27, 2009 at 10:33 AM

So, when does the baby get to have human rights?

“When she can breathe.”

Fascists love to kill people. That’s what they do.
Hitler had his gas ovens. Sadam Hussein had his rape rooms. Pro-death people support abortion mills.

“When do they get human rights?”
The fascists will tell you that they get human rights when THEY say that they are to get human rights.
Fascist don’t just want to be in charge, they want to be in charge of who lives and who dies. ‘Abortion? Why not? Euthanasia? The more the merrier. Death panels? Of course.’

JakeRightThought on October 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Either you have severe reading comprehension problems, or you were so desperate to recycle SKYFOX’s remark that you decided to ignore what I actually wrote.

Either way, sad.

calbear on October 27, 2009 at 11:21 AM

My Cherokee blood has turned cold.

Driefromseattle on October 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM

But killing in itself is morally neutral as is abortion.

thuja on October 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM

A human is an animal. Got it. Therefore it is never murder to kill a human. Got it.

unclesmrgol on October 28, 2009 at 12:28 AM

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