Video: Glenn Beck goes all in for Doug Hoffman — and third parties
posted at 7:55 pm on October 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
“I am no longer going to throw my vote away by giving it to the party,” he vows, confirming Gingrich’s fears of independent challengers splitting Republicans in purple districts into conservative and moderate camps next year and handing the district to the Democrat. In fact, I thought of Beck and his “In or Out” litmus test (which he touched on briefly tonight) while writing this post last week. Given his activist ambitions, it’s easy to imagine him using his show to encourage and promote a variety of third-party congressional candidates, and while they’re unlikely to win, they could bleed enough votes from Republican nominees to make life easier for The One. Beck would shrug that off by claiming that there’s zero difference between the major parties anyway and, a la his assertion that McCain would have been worse for America than Obama, that another GOP loss next year might actually be good for the country in preparing the ground for his brand of libertarian Republicanism. Which makes this a perfect place to quote Doctor Zero’s rejoinder to him last month:
During the campaign, disgruntled Republicans often said it would be better to have Obama in office, showing everyone just how horrible Democrat policies are, than tolerate a RINO like McCain pushing the same policies in low gear, with bipartisan fingerprints. Glenn Beck’s slap at McCain is a retroactive expression of the idea that conservatism is just one crushing defeat away from total victory. Anyone who thought it was worth putting Obama in office, as some kind of object lesson for the American voter, gravely underestimated the amount of damage he could do. Look at how far we’ve sailed past the edge of fiscal sanity, in only nine months. It would take decades of careful, moderate reform just to get us back to where George Bush left us… and that wasn’t exactly an enviable position. Freedom is an endless voyage, while tyranny has far too many points of no return. The course we steered away from President McCain has taken us perilously close to those terminal waters.
One crushing defeat away from total victory, in perpetuity. A question for Beck fans, borrowing a line uttered here by the man himself: What is the endgame? There’s a sense I get from watching Beck that he thinks there’s a supermajority out there willing to return to Founders-style libertarianism if only he and other conservatives hammer the message hard and long enough. I don’t think there is. And if I’m right that there’ll always be at least 40 votes or so in the Senate and 45 percent among the population for progressivism, how does he presume to enact the libertarian agenda while confronting the realities of congressional compromise? In a perfect world, Doug Hoffman wins and all the purple districts break for “true conservatives” and all federal entitlements are repealed and the income tax is abolished etc etc etc. Assume hypothetically now that the world isn’t perfect. What is the endgame?










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Perhaps it’s the Republican party that is the 3rd party?
SouthernGent on October 26, 2009 at 7:59 PM
All the Republicans have to do to prevent a Third Party is stop being Democrat-Lite.
kingsjester on October 26, 2009 at 8:01 PM
I’m not a fan of Beck, but what conservatives and republicans and libertarians and conservative democrats are doing now is just shoveling sand against the tide.
cozmo on October 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Attacking your own base is insanity.
That’s how you wind up with mentally retarded Party Chairs, like Michael Steele.
TexasJew on October 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM
Gee, how Naderesque. You could take a lot of what Nader said around 2000, maybe replace “liberal” with “conservative,” and it would sound like it came straight out of Beck’s mouth.
calbear on October 26, 2009 at 8:03 PM
what conservatives and republicans and libertarians and conservative democrats are doing now is just shoveling sand against the tide.
cozmo on October 26, 2009 at 8:02 PM
What tide? Your statement is incoherent.
TexasJew on October 26, 2009 at 8:04 PM
I’m pretty damn fed up with republican lite myself…
Tim Zank on October 26, 2009 at 8:04 PM
SG, methinks you may be correct.
But regardless, I find mrself agreeing with Glenn. If you’re not conservative, no vote.
No More RINOs.
Laffer was on Beck tonight also. I have been concerned that we may not be able to stop this WH/S/HoR travesty in time. Laffer claimed to be able to turn things around on a “long weekend.”
davidk on October 26, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Elect real conservatives to office…no compromise. That’s what I hope he means.
d1carter on October 26, 2009 at 8:05 PM
You left out the part where he called my entire generation a waste of space.
That shit’s reciprocated by the way.
The difference between us is that I’m not trying to start a movement.
Trent1289 on October 26, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Speaking of Doc Zero, Allah…
… more please.
Seven Percent Solution on October 26, 2009 at 8:06 PM
There likely isn’t. But maybe he feels it’s more honorable to go down fighting for what you believe in, rather than to vote for GOP over Dems (when they’re slowly becoming the same) because they just happen to call themselves GOP. At that point, you’re voting for an abbreviation, not a political ideology.
LastRick on October 26, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Conservatives to the Independent 3rd Power?
upinak on October 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM
“What is the endgame?”
The endgame is the destruction of the American economy and currency and the utter destruction of the social welfare state.
In the end, money will talk and ACORN will walk.
TexasJew on October 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM
He’s fed up … AND HE’S NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Tony737 on October 26, 2009 at 8:09 PM
ACORN…..for the love of Pete!!
Sounds a tad poetic,maybe not!
canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 8:09 PM
The end game is to live free and die hard. Conservatism or bust!
milemarker2020 on October 26, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Send a message in 2009, then go party line in 2010/2012.
faraway on October 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM
It’s really just makes the case for the conservatives/libertarians to re-take the party from the RINO/Beltway bottom feeders. The Republican party used to be the party of conservatives…in the intervening years, it has become a bad copy of the British Tories (since Thatcher left). So, the demise the the GOP is guaranteed unless conservatives and libertarians take it back. The NY23 race is just the first shot in this war…but we have only about 6 months to fight it and win it.
AUINSC on October 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM
The endgame is to live free or die hard. Conservatism or bust!
milemarker2020 on October 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM
Well then you’re going bust. Precisely my point.
Allahpundit on October 26, 2009 at 8:11 PM
I doubt Beck would be supporting Hoffman if Scozzafava was halfway convincing as a conservative. You don’t see him calling Christie a RINO, do you?
Speedwagon82 on October 26, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Conservatives to the Independent 3rd Power?
upinak on October 26, 2009 at 8:07 PM
upinak: A Mathematics Party!!:)
Ugh,I’m kidding:)
canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 8:11 PM
But where are you in this “game”?
upinak on October 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM
I’m in Massachussetts and I see a majority all around me that could come over to libertarianism. That can only ever happen if average voters can actually discern a real difference compared to what voting for a Democrat means. Over the years we have had election cycles where prominent libertarian candidates generally outperformed the Republican on the ticket.
Resolute on October 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM
politics is the art of compromise. there is no 3rd party.
everyone needs to focus…
bingo…if NY wants a moderate R I say go for it.
But…let’s make sure that the local R party has smart people leading it (dubious at this point).
Moderate R’s also need to reach out to conservatives. Inclusion is not a one way street. Obviously, the NY R party screwed up…but the NY conservative party is a just a fusion party like WFP..a fringe group (check their website)
r keller on October 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM
I’d rather have the dems own socialism. McCain would have bailed out the auto industry as well. He would have signed some health care bill. He would have pushed for amnesty. He would have signed cap n trade. He’s bought the left wing progressive propaganda. Isn’t that what makes him a maverick GOPer? His whole selling point during the campaign was that he was going to reach across the aisle to get things signed. And he sure would have.
The only difference being that obama’s marxism puts people on the defensive. That’s key. He can’t do anything without conservatives thinking there’s some sinister aspect to it. Which is good. That keeps him honest, so to speak. McCain, being a member of the GOP, would not have the same effect. Just like George Bush passed the prescription drug bill, and hardly anyone on the right complained, yet that was the biggest socialist giveaway in the last 40 years. Having obama try that would have garnered a much different response. That was the observation Beck was making. Obama has given liberal policies a bad name like never before. His guilt by association taints everything he touts. The man is quickly becoming radioactive and, by extension, the progressive agenda.
Ultimately, the only difference between McCain and Obama is that Obama goes left because he doesn’t like America as it exists, McCain goes left because he thinks its the right thing to do.
keep the change on October 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM
20% you mean, right?
lorien1973 on October 26, 2009 at 8:13 PM
There he goes off on his voodoo cures again. :-)
clement on October 26, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Has Glenn said anything about the three-candidate New Jersey gubernatorial race? I’m assuming his attitude is not “My Third Party Right or Wrong,” and he’s actually going to make certain situational judgments on which non-Republican nominees he supports.
jon1979 on October 26, 2009 at 8:13 PM
The leftward shift the entire planet has been on since Roosevelt, Teddy not Franklin, left office.
As has been said over and over, republicans are just going there at a slower pace.
cozmo on October 26, 2009 at 8:13 PM
He’s fed up … AND HE’S NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Tony737 on October 26, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Tony737: Is that in reference to your sleepless nights,
hehe,hows the baby doing:)
canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Sword of Damacles. The threat of a 3rd party should be enough to scare republicans back to its roots. The sword holds no power if it falls.
lorien1973 on October 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Beck is not alone in his support for Hoffman… Levin is supporting him too… as is Michelle Malkin, I believe. Is Beck’s support of Hoffman really that controversial?
painfulTruthDisciple on October 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM
What the hell are we supposed to do…?
The RNC wants our money and our vote but then they want us to get lost. If the GOP wants to go left then let them get their support from lefties who despise them. We already got a taste of the new GOP with Snowe, Collins and Specter voting for the stimulus package. If we can’t count on Republicans to hold up the values of conservatives then who cares who is in office.
A screwing is a screwing. It doesn’t matter to me if the ones responsible have an (R) next to their name.
The NRCC is pushing Scozzafava in NY23 and Crist over Rubio in Florida and am I supposed to help with that B.S….?
Cornyn can kiss my ass if he wants money from me.
NeoKong on October 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM
I hope the “true conservatives” thoroughly enjoy 4 more years of Obama because that is what you guys are going to get.
terryannonline on October 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM
I had enough with the GOP. The have become the democrat party 2.0 while the democrat party has become the marxist party.
I think it is about time for a third party. Conservatives of all kinds and libertarians has had enough.
Instead of the republican party reaching out to us, instead they give us the finger and expect us to be little dogs wagging our tails to vote for them.
I will only donate to worthy conservatives. Screw the parties!
Palin, Hoffman, Joe Wilson, Bachmann, DeMint, Rubio, DeVore are being abandoned by the establishment.
Screw the establishment!
cubachi on October 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Maybe. This is serious stuff: are we going to let tyranny rule? (And I don’t mean to imply you are not taking it seriously.) If we vote for the Suzzyfuzzys, out demise is certain.
davidk on October 26, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Obama’s policies are so toxic to our way of life and our economy that the reality will overwhelm even the crimiinal behavior of the Dems.
They can’t keep the plates in the air anymore.
We’re broke and getting more so every day, and now they want free healthcare and cap and trade.
With what? They can’t keep on printing our way out of this.
When it hits the fan, when the middle class and managerial and entrepreneurial classes realize what’s about to happen -ie, shortages and brownouts and massive unemployment, coupled with a falling currency, it won’t be pretty.
TexasJew on October 26, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Beck is wrong on the third party for all elections. That just won’t happen.
I still believe at this time that it will be easier to defeat the RINO’s and bring the GOP back from the brink than to start over again with a third party.
Yes, it would eventually cause the GOP to disappear, but that would take 4-5 elections before the GOP went the way of the whigs.
We do not have sufficient time for that. We must scramble to whip the GOP back into libertarian/Conservative shape ASAP to stop the Bolsheviks, see them driven before us, but not the lamentation of the women.
:)
Sapwolf on October 26, 2009 at 8:16 PM
I agree to some extent that voting third party is kind of a waste. In the last election, yeah sure, McCain wasn’t very conservative at all, but Sarah Palin would have been his VP, and I’m sure many other conservatives like her would have been in the administration.
YoungAmerican on October 26, 2009 at 8:17 PM
We’ve been here before…the same group, with different faces, ran the GOP before Reagan came in and cleaned house. It took some strong grass roots to make it happen…and a Ronald Reagan. We need a strong leader with the right vision to make it happen…we really don’t have one right now. Steele isn’t it…Palin has a lot of work to do…we’ve really got nobody lined up yet to take the ball and run it in. As long as that’s the case, there is always the possibility of a split and disaster.
AUINSC on October 26, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Allahrepugnant! Did you watch his show or the KOS version? Beck said he no longer throw away his vote but would support a Democrat, a Republican or an Independent as long as they held to conservative values!
Really! If there is such a thing as a HAINO you are it! Why don’t you go post on KOS!
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on October 26, 2009 at 8:18 PM
I think the reason for the support is Dede’s ACORN/WFP support.
clement on October 26, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Hey CanOp, he’s great, thanks! Matter ‘O’ fact he’s in my arms as I type this :-)
When ya movin’ down here? In time for the next election I hope!
Tony737 on October 26, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Then bust it is.
AP, you’re like the hostage who obediently digs his own grave at gunpoint so that he won’t get shot.
keep the change on October 26, 2009 at 8:18 PM
The leftward shift the entire planet has been on since Roosevelt, Teddy not Franklin, left office.
As has been said over and over, republicans are just going there at a slower pace.
cozmo on October 26, 2009 at 8:13 PM
How ignorant. Go ask Envar Hoxha, Ceaucescu, Brezhnev and Jimmy Carter how their career curves went. Read some history
TexasJew on October 26, 2009 at 8:20 PM
That’s it though-it’s not right.
There is a way.
Hold the line.
Horatius on October 26, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Umm… How did that moderation thing work out for the Dems last time?
They elected a Marxist.
faraway on October 26, 2009 at 8:20 PM
The answer is grass roots conservative ENGAGEMENT with the Republicans. Allah has a good point- we need to change the Republican party FROM WITHIN. Otherwise, it the US may go “full socialist” and us conservatives will forever regret it.
gmoonster on October 26, 2009 at 8:21 PM
It really is that simple, and yet the GOP is having an unbelievably hard time figuring that out.
thirteen28 on October 26, 2009 at 8:22 PM
What’s the endgame? Leave it to a superintellectual like AP to continually scan 360 degrees for what’s right under his nose.
Conservatism is the endgame. It’s the beginning and the end of success. All the experimenting in between with something else is nothing but games.
Politicians will continue to either stand with tried and true principles, or they will continue to wear them like a feather in their cap as they build parties around themselves without even believing in the principles.
Parties are never stronger than principles. Why do you think they crumble before principles do?
You can tell people who has no principles because they believe in safety in numbers, i.e., a political party. Grow the party, principles be damned, they say.
The argument against ‘splitting’ the party is identical to the argument for ‘bi-partisan compromise’ in congress. ‘Reaching across the aisle.’ “Can’t we all just get along?” The reason they call it integrity is because it doesn’t split or compromise.
trace_9r on October 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM
To the RINOs and party hacks like Gingrich, this is all like some high school football game. To normal conservative people, this is life and death and something to take a stand on and fight for.
TexasJew on October 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Everyone so far is assuming that there won’t be a corresponding liberal breakout to make it a four party race.
meci on October 26, 2009 at 8:23 PM
A final nail in the progressive coffin.
mizflame98 on October 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Maybe, in case of Beck, it’s also more financially sensible. He is an entertainer… he can afford to take a stand which pleases any fringe group. He does not have to go out and win elections or make policy.
rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Allahpundit you seem to be assuming that third party challengers to Republicans will be the norm forever. This is not so. The real fight is conservatives versus the GOP. The GOP has taken it activist base for granted for too long. We will now support conservatives only. This fight is very evident within the GOP. DeMint versus Graham, Rubio versus Crist, DeVore versus Fiona for example. This race happens to feature a third party candidate.
The end game is creating a divide between Republican and Democrat candidates. Republican and Democrat candidates are too alike. It won’t take to long for the GOP to start fielding conservative candidates when the KNOW Dem-lite candidates will be challenged in primaries or have their votes split by a third party. Think of is as a Ross Perot type movement but nationwide at the state and local level, in every race.
Theworldisnotenough on October 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM
And you’re never going to have enough enough conservatives to enact the Glenn Beck agenda in its pristine form. Never. Ever. Ever. So decide on which Founding principles, which we must not compromise, will be compromised on when dealmaking with the left. To repeat: What is the endgame?
Allahpundit on October 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Err.. right now they are doing the nailing.
rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Here is what I think is happening. GB is always saying the problem is with the elected in both parties. To fix the problems the country faces we shouldn’t look to one party over the other. I don’t take that to mean support the third party candidate no matter what, that is what Gingrich is proposing to vote (R) no matter what. I think GB is suggesting to look at the candidates core principals and record and support the candidate you believe in. For most on this sight that means the Conservative or libertarian view. That is also why I stopped giving money to the GOP and the NRCC and have started donating directly to the candidate. That is the only way I can trust my money will support the candidate I believe in.
lwssdd on October 26, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Remember how cool it was that The RNC and virtually all of the GOP leadership got behind Arlen Specter against that mean old Pat Toomey? We need Republicans that can get elected, right?
How’s that Porkulus taste?
Pablo on October 26, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Yes, that’s Fantasyland material. As surely as leftist dreams of a final nail in the conservative coffin are Fantasyland material. It’s frankly juvenile to even entertain it.
Allahpundit on October 26, 2009 at 8:25 PM
People, remember that in June of 1992, Ross Perot and his United We Stand Party, was on his way to winning the election with 40% of the vote. More than Clinton, more than Bush.
Then he dropped out and he never got it back.
A third party, if it hits the right themes like Perot did, can steal so many conservative and libertarian votes, that the GOP is left with nothing.
keep the change on October 26, 2009 at 8:26 PM
The GOP royally bungled how it handled NY-23, but I’m not buying this Black Knight Theory of Political Success.
AP is spot on. Pick your battles. Don’t pick all the battles.
Patrick Ishmael on October 26, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Hey CanOp, he’s great, thanks! Matter ‘O’ fact he’s in my arms as I type this :-)
When ya movin’ down here? In time for the next election I hope!
Tony737 on October 26, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Tony737: I was thinking more of running a supply depot,and
comfort zone,*wink wink*,and R&R area,for Conserv
atives if it ever turns ugly in the States!!:)
In your arms,as you type,awesome Tony,never had
that priveledge with mine,but then, Hot Air didn’t
exist back then!:)
canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 8:27 PM
I will never vote for another RINO, “Reach across the aisle” McCain was the last time. The NY-23rd race is a wake-up call to the Republican leadership that it is not a good idea to nominate liberals.
farright on October 26, 2009 at 8:27 PM
It may that there is not enough Line to hold.
half the population lives off of Government Money and some of them–and others–have been Mentally Polluted enough to actually believe in Hope & Change.
If conservatives are a third–with libs a third and ‘moderates who call themselves conservatives’ the final third, any party which only caters to a third is Electorally Doomed
AthiestPundit is essentially correct
Janos Hunyadi on October 26, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Right. There was no reason to nominate a liberal Republican in a red district. That’s why Gingrich is wrong. But there’s very good reason to nominate centrist Republicans in purple districts. Paul Ryan, for instance, is a fiscal conservative but he supported TARP. Does Ryan get a third-party challenger?
Again, what is the endgame? How far are the Beck/1791 purists ready to compromise or not compromise?
Allahpundit on October 26, 2009 at 8:28 PM
I never heard Glenn say vote 3rd party for all elections. What I heard him say is vote for those that support the conservative values, whether it be a Democrat (by some miracle), Republican, or Independent. Put principles over party. I’d rather vote for my values as well. The problem with choosing the lesser of two evils is that you still choose evil.
Tuari on October 26, 2009 at 8:29 PM
This is the problem with moderates. They are poor poker players. If you accept the premise that you won’t win, of course you won’t win. But if you go in expecting to win, you will certainly come out further ahead than someone walking in willing to compromise from get go.
Wait till all the cards are on the table before folding. Moderates fold pre-flop. I’m willing to wait till the river.
Enough poker metaphors?
lorien1973 on October 26, 2009 at 8:29 PM
lwssdd,
Me too. I only send money to conservative candidates I support. It’s the only way to be sure RINOs get none of my $$.
gmoonster on October 26, 2009 at 8:29 PM
The question isn’t what Beck’s endgame is. The question is what will it take to scare the entrenched GOP establishment into prioritizing original principles over the power of incumbency.
I am no Beck apologist or cheerleader. I nominate Glenn for the TV personality most likely to have an on-air breakdown. But, for all his stagecraft and hyperbole, he is more closely aligned to the grassroots rebellion than John McCain, Michael Steele, John Boehner and/or Mitch McConnell. Beck and Rush Limbaugh display more leadership than all the Republicans in Washington, D.C. combined.
Until we have better choices in leadership and candidates, Beck will continue to fill the void — and I’m not celebrating.
Terrie on October 26, 2009 at 8:29 PM
I do fear the upcoming census may have a terrible effect on the next ten years. But I do think that the BO administration may do more for conservatives than anything.
d1carter on October 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Heh.
When did the treatment for cancer become introducing more cancer cells to the host?
That is the prescription that the GOP would have us take.
Screw ‘em. I am voting for a conservative regardless of party.
donkichi on October 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Pragmatist: “He who fights and runs away…” or “Better a RINO than a full-on progressive!”
Idealist: “Death before dishonor” or “No more RINOs!”
The gap between these two camps is as wide as the gulf between atheists and believers. Excellent topics for getting comments and traffic, but not many are going to be swayed from their positions.
innominatus on October 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM
The end game is to have the Republican Party actually mean something…right now its the party of squish.
Conservative Voice on October 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM
God, I love when AP takes to the comments.
Trent1289 on October 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM
I’d say that if their is no primary (such as this time) and the R’s give you a liberal democrat, put up a 3rd party candidate. If there is a primary and the moderate R wins, accept it.
lorien1973 on October 26, 2009 at 8:31 PM
What is the endgame?
Allahpundit on October 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM
That’s a circular argument. You assume a static economy and static environment. The rapid descent into becoming a pauperized nation that is bleeding its wealth and future will have dramatic consequences and tremendous pushback from the middle and upper middle classes, as well as the professional and investor classes. All these groups have everything to lose, and they will not accept losing it all. Economic freedom and liberty will win, since it is the only thing that can stop this descent. The parasite class can’t win, because they cannot control the capital flow in and out of the country.
After the past year, there is not reason to negotiate with an opponent who is losing more support every day.
The endgame is this — we win.
TexasJew on October 26, 2009 at 8:32 PM
For what it’s worth:
I left the Donks in ’02 (after 30 years of faithful DFL activism)because their fecklessness on terrorism and Iraq finally drove me over the edge.
Voted for W in ’04, first time ever for a GOP presidentuial candidate. Watched with horror as Bush allowed the Donks to set the rules of engagement on everything from Katrina to immigration to the Persian Gulf. Decided that the GOP as a party was hopelessly out of touch and figured to sit out ’08.
When the Donks nominated The One I knew that my old lefty comrades were happy as pigs in slop and that if O deceived his way to the White House it would end up being hell to pay for the country. (Big surprise…)
Unenthusiastically supported Johnny Mac, then thought he was a genius for picking Palin. I was fired up because Palin really spoke my language: non-pretentious, solid, and unambiguously conservative on the things that mattered most to me.
Watched with horror (again) while the GOP brain trust allowed the Left to ruin Palin (did they think the MSM & Donks were going to be genteel? WTF?)
Now there’s really a grassroots movement of real people with core beliefs (just like my old comrades) who are fed up with the GOP p*ssing away their freely given time and money. So why not say sayonara?
I’m a free agent. A mercenary or a privateer, whatever.
I’ve forsaken the Left, played footsie (to no avail)with the right and have had it with both.
So tell me Allah, what do I have left to lose by going rogue?
Bruno Strozek on October 26, 2009 at 8:33 PM
MEMO to GOP,or RNC:
Supply a Leader,SOON!!
Like SarahCuda,and get the hell out of the way!
Thank-you!
canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 8:34 PM
A porkulus supporting, card check supporting, tax hike supporting Republican winner of the Margaret Sanger Award is a hill worth dying on.
I remember so fondly when the RNC pulled out the stops against Steve Laffey (an actual conservative) so that we could all watch DIABLO Lincoln Chaffee lose to Sheldon Whitehouse.
Hey, is the RNC supporting Specter against Toomey again?
Pablo on October 26, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Why would it be any worse if Hoffman causes the dem to win by a split vote? The republican candidate is left of the democrat.
Spider79 on October 26, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Dream on . . . people will vote an ideology not a party and conservatism now prevails and is getting stronger each day Obama remains in office. To regain its stature and its congressional majority the Republican party need only run conservative candidates.
rplat on October 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM
So define conservative. If a Republican was categorically conservative but would vote for same-sex civil unions, would you vote for her? Same, but would vote not to open ANWR? Same, but would vote against a ban on flag burning?
Which conservative issues are optional, if any, and if none are, does that extend to Republican candidates in purple districts?
Patrick Ishmael on October 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Say what you will about McCain being a RINO (and there’s a lot to say)he is and has always been a fiscal and deficit hawk. Squish that he is, he does believe in free markets. McCain would never have pushed the porkulous and his health care proposals when he campaigned were free market and reform based. Most importantly, he would never leave our troops in harms way waiting on reinforcements in AFG while he played golf. Yes, he ran the worst campaign ever but can we please stop blaming him for everything that’s wrong with the GOP?
muggedbyreality on October 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM
How can you change people’s minds until reality slaps them in the face? Progressivism is unrealistic and unsustainable. Look at the outcry with the D.C. school vouchers incident. Most of the people involved there probably voted Democrat, but maybe that makes them think a little bit about it.
I think a big part of the way people view the parties has to do with media portrayal as well. As newspapers and the Big Three lose power, the Democrats will lose some of that.
There is little in terms of short term gain as far as Beck’s strategy goes – it is long term. If the alternative is that you have R’s voting for Porkulus, amnesty, and Obamacare, what’s the point of supporting moderates?
WisCon on October 26, 2009 at 8:37 PM
We can’t even agree on a definition of conservatism.
terryannonline on October 26, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Right on, if we can’t stand against Scuzzawful, what does a Republican need to do to be considered unacceptable?
Bishop on October 26, 2009 at 8:37 PM
This is very simple… ALLAH P. wants us to believe there is no major majority of Republicans that are fed up with their party. From where I am standing, he is dead wrong. Every Republican I talk to, is ready to torch them all just to have some sanity brought back to their American way of life.
What is the end game? How about this… WE GET OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM A BUNCH SLOBBERING ELITES THAT THINK THEY KNOW BETTER THAN US!!!
Exit question for you AP… Who the hell do you think all those people were at the Tea Parties? And how Republicans do you think there are that wished they could have been there? Check your premises!!!
The Dead Terrorist on October 26, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Sorry, I am a new conservative so to speak. I have had it with both parties. In my 20′s I considered mt self a Blue Dog Dem. Changed parties, only to find out it is more of the same.
I am tired of voting against someone just to get something slightly better.
Sorry, not playing the game anymore.
bazil9 on October 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM
muggedbyreality on October 26, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Answer me this, did McCain the fiscal and deficit hawk vote for TARP or not? What is his position on it now?
Conservative Voice on October 26, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Political suicide. Are you really that naive to think that “true conservatives” can win in the Northeast or Northwest. Get real.
terryannonline on October 26, 2009 at 8:39 PM
That’s why you only vote for people who want to get government out of your life. Then they can be as miserable as they want, without bugging anyone.
lorien1973 on October 26, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Works for me as long as it is contained to small congressional districts but when it comes to voting out Barry’s gang we need a united front.
We can’t survive eight years of this BS.
FireBlogger on October 26, 2009 at 8:39 PM
When the Rep start acting like conservatives there will be no talk of a third party.But just look at the race in N.Y. The party bosses gave the rep there the chose of a Dem. that will vote with Dem.95% to 100% of the time vrs. a so called Rep. that will vote against the Rep. 95% to 100% of the time.Until these RINO,s learn that we will no longer hold our nose and vote for the lesser of two evils hello third party.
thmcbb on October 26, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Watched with horror as Bush allowed the Donks to set the rules of engagement on everything from Katrina to immigration to the Persian Gulf. Decided that the GOP as a party was hopelessly out of touch and figured to sit out ‘08.
So tell me Allah, what do I have left to lose by going rogue?
Bruno Strozek on October 26, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Bruno Strozek: I’m glad you mentioned,’Rules of Engagement’
because,the next election,Conservatives bette
r set them this time for the Liberals,and let
them figure it out!!!
canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 8:40 PM
The contention that it is better to have a RINO than a democrat is based on what theory? Why would a RINO be better from a conservative’s viewpoint? What is gained by putting a liberal, in a conservative sweater, in power? Are we to assume that they won’t be as liberal, or that they will delay the end of the republic for an additional five minutes, an additional five minutes that can be used to . . . what?
If it is a delaying tactic, to what end? Is this not a case of feeding the crocodile so that it will eat us last?
What is the endgame, indeed?
keep the change on October 26, 2009 at 8:41 PM
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