Reid: Yes, the Senate bill will have a public option

posted at 4:31 pm on October 26, 2009 by Allahpundit

He hasn’t even sent the bill to CBO to be scored yet so I’m not sure what we’re supposed to react to here, aside from the left’s success in getting something with a public plan to the floor which (a) may not even have 60 votes behind it and (b) is almost guaranteed to lose The One’s very small fig leaf of bipartisan support as Olympia Snowe walks away (skip ahead to 5:00 for his comments on that). Politically, I don’t see how he had any choice except to cave to progressives. His reelection bid’s already in trouble; if he’d stiffed them on their public-option fetish, he’d be finished. So here’s his attempt at a compromise to save his own ass, featuring a P.O. watered down with a state opt-out clause to try to draw Blue Dogs but with enough tweaks to the tax threshold for “Cadillac plans” to get big labor to stop grumbling about how this bill isn’t “robust” enough.

I’ve written a little about the opt-out scheme before and still don’t understand what advantage states will derive from it. If some sort of federal tax is eventually levied to help pay for ObamaCare’s cost overruns, I take it opt-out states will be exempt, yes? There has to be some benefit to opting out or else the inevitable underselling of private insurers by a public plan that doesn’t have to obey the same rules of finance will create immense political pressure on opt-out states to opt in. So what’s the benefit?

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they are trying to lure the mod Dems in the Senate with an opt out fig leaf, if they tie it into Medicare funding people cant ‘opt out’of Medicare taxes/FICA, and the non insurance FINE is levied by the lovely people at the IRS!
ESPECIALLY once they kill Medicare Advantage, where TX alone has 600,000 seniors enrolled (per kay bailey hutchinson on Kudlow last night)

Also watch how TOTUS works Medicaid reimbursment to the states here, he rolled back the Big Dawg Welfare/food stamps/medicaid reforms first thing and now the use of those programs is exploding

he removed the cap Big Dawg and Newt put on reimbursement to states which used to encourage states to put people on the rolls..

if he does this with the public option, they wont opt out of the cash stream esp in a recession

Politico Glenn Thrush had some bits suggesting TOTUS told Reid to carry the ball if he can KEEP Snowe on board..
Reid IMO is trying to get mod Dems like Nelson INSTEAD of Snowe who does not want an opt out, she wants the trigger

so TOTUS supports the trigger but is deep under cover on it so the lefties dont lose their cheetoh lovin minds, he tells Harry I need Snowe for my big bipartisan schpiel, Harry says I am handling it but we can do an opt out and have a public option…

I think at the last minute TOTUS pulls the rug from under fumbling Reid since TOTUS really really wants Snowe

ginaswo on October 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Which is to win the next elections. And you don’t win by ideological purity or by throwing out people. Neither is there any glory in defeat as some guys thing here is: We will stand by our “principles” even if that means we are reduced to 20 Senate seats That is BS.

rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM

There’s really no evidence that we’ll lose because we stuck to principles.

When we run conservative we win. The democrats know that. That’s why they hand-picked conservative democrats to run in 2006 … and won.

Being a party of compromise does nothing but guarantee losses.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM

HondaV65 on October 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I was just thinking the same thing and Reid is probably getting tired of taking all of the flak for Obama.

farright on October 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM

And if that had truly occurred, McCain and Palin would have accepted defeat? Sure, ACORN did what they did but Obama won by 7 million votes. It was not even a close contest.

rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM

It may not have been enough to affect the presidential race but I have no doubt it impacted Congressional races … with the Franken race being one.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 5:29 PM

Harry Reid is still looking for the clean end of the turd he is carrying…

DanMan on October 26, 2009 at 5:37 PM

At this point I doubt it means much…the House and Senate still have to “reconcile” their bills but it would appear Nancy may be farther from getting a PO than Harry.

Snowe wants a PO but can’t sell it that way, so she has this trigger gimmick to pull if insurance companies running on 2% of sales profit margins can’t keep premium costs down, knowing very well it has never happened in any state which adopted anything close to either the House or Senate bills…specifically her own.

Then she can sit back and say, “see, you did this to yourselves, not MY fault” like the lying sack of manure she really is. Her best bud Collins was grilled last night on Hannity, admitting the ME plan has pushed rates higher and their kinda sorta “public option” is a failure.

I think most of the promoters of this monstrosity in Congress know or strongly suspect this thing is not going to work anything like they are telling us. It is too easy to compare what has happened in the states, even if you think we can do better than the UK.

This is about poltical hegemony and control, through law, vast increases in SEIU members and other means. Not quality of healthcare. Cynical to nth degree.

Sadly, such precedents can pave the way for significant evil. To pretend it doesn’t is to call all men angels and uncorruptible. They are not and never will be, much less if part of the poltical class.

Harry Schell on October 26, 2009 at 5:45 PM

(Not to mention same sort of rhetoric was heard from the Left during Bush years and would have been windely condemned here.)

rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM

That is an utterly moronic comparison. You sound like liberals who try to justify their un-Constitutional social spending at the federal level with COnstitutional (and required) defense spending by the federal government. If you are going to make analogies, take some care with them. But you are taking the argument that pushing an old woman out of traffic and pushing an old woman into traffic are both just pushing old women. It’s ridiculous.

Some of us care more about the nature of our country than the name. The feral government has rendered the Constitution null and void by their violations of just about every restriction in it. They have gone further and tried to demean and destroy all American traditions and our individualism and deep ties to private property rights, which form THE BASIS of this nation. Without that, it isn’t America, but just some other country. I will not live in such a country. If that is what I wanted, I would have moved to Canada or Europe or South America long ago.

You can act as if this is all temporary and will blow over, but you’re just whistling past the graveyard. The feral government is acting in a way that no American government has ever acted before. There will be no recovery from this – if they shove their cr@p through.

You don’t seem to understand that some moves are effectively irreversible. You’ll learn.

progressoverpeace on October 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM

If by opting out my red state does not have to participate in any way, including the taxes, fees, and penalties required to pay for the Obamacare boondoggle, then let’s see how it plays out. The blue states would be further town the toilet than they already are by trying to pay for the provisions pushed off on the states. The red states would prosper, as more and more businesses abandon the blue states and relocate to red states. Look at New Jersey and Tennessee for just such an example. My only fear would be that the Dems allow states to opt out for a few years just to get the blue dogs’ votes and then try to force them into the plan later.

uncalheels on October 26, 2009 at 5:59 PM

I’m opting to throw people out of office in November if this stinkbomb goes through.

Philly on October 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I keep waiting for the announcement that Obama has secretly been saving us billions by eliminating waste and fraud in medicare and medicaid all these months, rather than waiting for 2013 to roll around before getting started.

uncalheels on October 26, 2009 at 6:03 PM

The Ronin Edge on October 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM

No, he won’t. For the Passover Seder we have a parable of four sons. Rightistliberal reminds me of the wicked son, who asks, detached, “What is all of this to you?” in a mocking, condescending way. The answer is that because of his attitude and his refusal to even want to understand, G-d would have left him in Egypt. Real tough love, there.

The American creed will not die – it cannot – but it seems that it might not be in the US that it will continue. If these bills don’t get killed …

progressoverpeace on October 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Harry Reid claims there is no business in the US that makes more than the insurance industry. Their profit margin is 2.2 percent. People actually voted this ignoramus into office.

Philly on October 26, 2009 at 6:07 PM

CARSON CITY — Nearly half of Nevadans have had enough of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid as the powerful Democrat heads into his re-election campaign, a new Las Vegas Review-Journal poll finds.

About a third of the state’s voters would re-elect Reid if the 2010 election were held today, according to the poll, but 45 percent say they would definitely vote to replace him.

SOURCE: http://www.lvrj.com/news/45387987.html

(OBTW – this poll was taken BEFORE Acorn Las Vegas offices were raided so Reid’s “third” is actually probably half that much.)

So long Harry! I guess you won’t be getting Mickey Mouse’s vote next year. Aren’t there still several open Obama cabinet positions?

Roy Rogers on October 26, 2009 at 6:13 PM

This is a $hit sandwich forced on us by Obama/Reid/Pelosi simply to get their names in the book as reformers.

No matter that they are together forcing the best health care system in the history of the world into the dust to do it.

The health care system is not perfect but the system that allows weak humans like Reid and Pelosi to have such power is completely broken.

On then list of items Americans want fixed, HC ranks in the 5% range.
We are truly lost when these dopes can run this down our throats without review or concern over the national debate.

Perhaps the Supreme Court can salvage the health care system.

Where do I donate to the cause?

FireBlogger on October 26, 2009 at 6:17 PM

As if it would help, I fired off e-mails to my US Rep and Senators (who are two clunkers who we need to trade in). I had to do something to let them know I am against this.

Philly on October 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Did that wheezing bag of wind Reid say that the majority of respondents to a poll want a public option? In his dreams…

Then the idjit laments the loss of “moderate Repbublicans” that he used to be able to work with once upon a time. Maybe it’s time for conservatives to frame issues that it is too bad that moderate Democrats fail to legislate on behalf of the greater good of the country, rather than on partisan lines.

onlineanalyst on October 26, 2009 at 6:45 PM

If it’s true that the progressive wing of the Democrats have been pushing for health care reform (a la government health care) since 1948, then why haven’t they bought a clue that it has never been desired by the American people in all of this time?

onlineanalyst on October 26, 2009 at 6:51 PM

One of the bills, from which this was melded, automatically puts millions on Medicaid, based solely on income. How can a state opt out of providing Medicaid???

sybilll on October 26, 2009 at 6:56 PM

So what’s the benefit?

The benefit is that mouth-breathers like Pawlenty get to have it both ways with a lower chance of the rubes catching on.

Lehosh on October 26, 2009 at 6:58 PM

The parasitic blue states will elect the public option and the red states will opt out. The left has now achieved exactly what it set out to do. They will reward their nanny state Marxist/leftist constituents and the parasitic underclass for faithfully voting for Democrats. We should take it one step further and completely redistribute the land mass and other resources so the two different and irreconcilable ideologies can go their separate ways never again to meet. The left can then build their ideal Marxist state and the rest of us can rebuild the greatest democracy and free market system ever known . . . and the sooner the better.

rplat on October 26, 2009 at 7:04 PM

No more than a handful of states will “opt out” if that many. It really is a smart political ploy. You want DC to stay out of healthcare? Ok, here’s your opportunity prove it,put your next election on the line. It’s like the stimulus money, in the end, they all took the money.

According to polls, people may not like the specifics of the Obama healthcare plan but they do like the idea of a public option.

NextGen on October 26, 2009 at 7:21 PM

When we run conservative we win. The democrats know that. That’s why they hand-picked conservative democrats to run in 2006 … and won

Where, in California? Boston? New York?

They run conservative democrats in Red States–by all means choose whatever religious anti-abortion dude you want in Alabama but the same kind of candidate cannot win in Blue states. or even in purple states. He has to be socially liberal.

rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 7:31 PM

You sound like liberals who try to justify their un-Constitutional social spending at the federal level with COnstitutional (and required) defense spending by the federal government

.

Iraq war cost 1 trillion $. What advantage to American security has it yielded?

No, I am not a softie when it comes to war. By all mean go to war if it benefits the national interest. Iraq did not.

rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM

He has to be socially liberal.

rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 7:31 PM

You can’t be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

A social liberal spends.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM

You can’t be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

A social liberal spends.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM

A social liberal spends other people’s money.

Roy Rogers on October 26, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Reid has such a tangled mess he’s trying to sell us and I know he doesn’t have a clue how this whole thing is supposed to end up.

Kissmygrits on October 26, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Iraq war cost 1 trillion $. What advantage to American security has it yielded?

No, I am not a softie when it comes to war. By all mean go to war if it benefits the national interest. Iraq did not.

rightistliberal on October 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Bad analogy for starters. First, even if we concede that Iraq was a mistake (which it wasn’t) it’s a policy that could be reversed rather quickly if necessary. Obamacare, from a purely policy point of view, most likely will NEVER be reversed if enacted. So, Iraq/Obamacare are apples/oranges my friend.

As for NHC, I still say that Reid/Pelosi/Obama seek ideological purity for this monster and as such, if/when it fails, they blame the opposition. If NJ/VA (and esp. NY-23) go for the GOP/Conservative ticket, all bets are of for NHC. Don’t underestimate the Dems ability to preserve their own arses.

volnation on October 26, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Anybody out there really convinced that there will be anything less than an out and out Socialized Medicine scheme coming about soon?

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 26, 2009 at 9:56 PM

Please Nevada, get this guy out of office. I don’t care what you do with him. Just vote him out!

old trooper2 on October 27, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Is there any way Joe Q Public could sue Congress to stop this abomination until we have a chance to READ it and let the CBO score it?

red131 on October 27, 2009 at 10:04 AM

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