Quotes of the day

posted at 10:35 pm on October 26, 2009 by Allahpundit

“HH: You know what? I can’t swear, David. I can’t swear. But I have really had it with this stuff. Your drive-by treatment of fellow conservatives is outrageous. And then not to be able to back it up and defend it by citing line and verse, is outrageous. It’s slanderous. It’s the worst kind of yellow journalism practiced by drive-by leftists who you ought not to have anything to do with. And I am P.O’d about it now.

“DF: I’m sorry, are you, you are now saying that, the way, the things you just said, that’s responsible talk?

“HH: Yes, I am, because I’ve got you on the air talking to me, and I’ll let you tee off on me. But when you drive-by me in Newsweek, when you put on your blog that in essence accuses me of hypocrisy, you don’t recognize it, and you won’t own it, and you can’t cite anything, David Frum. You are an outrageous example of the worst kind of yellow journalism out there. And the way you treat Limbaugh and Levin and Hannity, who do 50 times the work of keeping conservative principles alive in this country, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.”

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“A senior GOP strategist, granted anonymity in order to speak candidly, lamented that in endorsing Hoffman, the contenders had delivered to the White House an early victory in their efforts to brand the Republican Party as dominated by its conservative wing.

“‘The Obama White House has made a lot of mistakes, but they’ve certainly gotten the Republican Party’s number,’ said the strategist.

“The rush to back Hoffman, this strategist said, is ‘proof that the Obama political strategy is working.’”

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“‘Both parties seem to be more for big government,’ said Johnson, a probation clerk in Fulton, N.Y. ‘The Republicans need to learn that the people they are running [for office] do not represent the views of the people.’”

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“The rush to back Hoffman, this strategist said, is ‘proof that the Obama political strategy is working.’”

Yeah, right.

publiuspen on October 26, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Civil War
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Only if the Great Purge fails!!

canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Interesting juxtaposition of quote #2 and quote #3.

steveegg on October 26, 2009 at 10:39 PM

“The rush to back Hoffman, this strategist said, is ‘proof that the Obama political strategy is working.’”

Strategy: Being such an incompetent lightweight that the number of Self Identified Conservatives is at it’s highest point in years.

Daemonocracy on October 26, 2009 at 10:41 PM

“A senior GOP strategist, granted anonymity in order to speak candidly

This sort of total moron ought to hope he stays anonymous. This is supposed to be a “strategist”? LOL. It sounds like one of the backstabbers from the McShame campaign.

progressoverpeace on October 26, 2009 at 10:41 PM

“A senior GOP strategist, granted anonymity in order to speak candidly, lamented that in endorsing Hoffman, the contenders had delivered to the White House an early victory in their efforts to brand the Republican Party as dominated by its conservative wing.

Yeah, and just when they’re trying to show us just how progressive they can be. Bummer.

Pablo on October 26, 2009 at 10:41 PM

you don’t recognize it, and you won’t own it, and you can’t cite anything, David Frum. You are an outrageous example of the worst kind of yellow journalism out there. And the way you treat Limbaugh and Levin and Hannity, who do 50 times the work of keeping conservative principles alive in this country, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.”

Awesome. RINO slaughter on display.

Do us all a favor, Frum. Move back to Canada, and take Kathleen Parker and David Brooks with you.

Norwegian on October 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Only if the Great Purge fails!!

canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I listened to Newt on Greta’s show on Fox. The more I listen to him, the less impressed I am, and the more convinced I am that the Tea Party/Conservative/Independent movement that’s arisen will actually work in electing many more Conservatives.

Red State State of Mind on October 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

The party of Dede Scozzafava doesn’t interest me. The economy of Barack Obama doesn’t interest me. And socialized medicine doesn’t interest me. Opting Out. Going Galt. And Going Rogue.

D0WNT0WN on October 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Yes, the people don’t want conservative principles that have been tried and tested but big, big, BIG government!

VIDIOTS!!!

Orange Doorhinge on October 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM

“The rush to back Hoffman, this strategist said, is ‘proof that the Obama political strategy is working.’”

Hehe, their strategies have a way of exploding in their faces.

jhffmn on October 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM

hahaha GO Hugh Hewitt. That little snake Frum needs to be crushed once and for all.

ousoonerfan15 on October 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM

HH: David, David, I’m saying that’s got nothing to do with it.

DF: I’m saying that we need to…if we’re going to broaden the party…

HH: David, time out. We’re not talking about that at all.

DF: …we have to broaden it to include the Hoffman people and the…

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So,its the tent,that needs to be bigger!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 10:44 PM

“The rush to back Hoffman, this strategist said, is ‘proof that the Obama political strategy is working.’”

It seems more like the Democrat strategy to encroach on a solidly conservative district is failing as another squish bites the dust.

alliebobbitt on October 26, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Still, at least two prospective GOP hopefuls have made deliberate decisions not to endorse Hoffman. Spokespersons for Mitt Romney and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee confirmed today that Romney and Huckabee have no immediate plans to endorse in this contest.

Harris, the Republican strategist, suggested that as the early favorite, Romney was not compelled to make a play for conservative support.

“Gov. Romney is the closest thing the party has to a perceived frontrunner,” said Harris. “So he’s got a different set of calculations.”

Profiles in Courage: Vol II

Terry_Dyne on October 26, 2009 at 10:44 PM

I keep getting calls from the Republican Party donation solicitors now just because I donated 50 dollars to the McCain campaign after Palin was picked. I just hang up the phone on them or give them an earful. They aren’t worth sending money to. Just send money to individual candidates.

MedSchoolCatholic on October 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM

“‘The Obama White House has made a lot of mistakes, but they’ve certainly gotten the Republican Party’s number,’ said the strategist.

Yeah, and by the sound of this “GOP strategist”, Obama’s been using that number to coordinate with P.O.S. “GOP strategists”.

FloatingRock on October 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM

We gotta clean up our own party before we can clean up the Democrap mess.

NY-23 is just the beginning.

All the RINO’s can go joing Arlen Specter on the other side. That includes Snowe, Collins, McCain and Graham.

JohnBG on October 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM

I wish I could listen to the audio of HH slamming Frum. It’s not as satisfying to read the transcript of something like that.

FloatingRock on October 26, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Party/Conservative/Independent movement that’s arisen will actually work in electing many more Conservatives.

Red State State of Mind on October 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Red State Stae of Mind: Yes,I think the Tea Party Patriots
need to send a message to the GOP!

It sounds like the GOP,once again
wants candidates that Conservatives
won’t vote for, again!!

canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 10:49 PM

I was generally no big fan of Hugh Hewitt in the past, but when he is right he is right. David Frum deserves that criticism and should take it to heart, because there is truth in it.

Not everything David Frum proposes is wrong. Moderates should have a home with fiscal conservative and socially more liberal policies in the GOP (especially in blue states). That does not mean supporting Dede Scozzafava, but you do not cut off your nose to spite your face in states and districts where you are facing tough races from the left.

But Frum’s personal attacks on conservatives are wrong and he deserves to be called out on it.

Mr. Joe on October 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Wanted:

A Republican Leader who loves America,does precisely what
the American(the right)people want!

And,soon!!(Sarc).

canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 10:51 PM

What is wrong with the Party being consertative rather than Dem light?Because it really worked in 2006 and 2008

Why can’t we have Fiscal consertatives pledge first and make social issues apply to districts that are Democrat 2nd?
We can and we are realistic but you know it isn’t always about winning its about standing on principles

Why is the GOP letting Obama define them rather than the people? Because Dem Light looks like Dem and Consertatives look like an alternative. Some elists beleive in having the powere so they can spend whre they want to, in both Dems and Rep, We need Fiscal consertatives that don’t plan on ruining our children future.
Maybe I am dumb but why doesn’t the Washington bubble get it. Consult with good state parties to get a clue Washington Please.

Gracelynn on October 26, 2009 at 10:52 PM

“A senior GOP strategist, granted anonymity in order to speak candidly, lamented that in endorsing Hoffman, the contenders had delivered to the White House an early victory in their efforts to brand the Republican Party as dominated by its conservative wing.

LOL! A GOP “strategist” said this? Sounds like he thinks that’s a bad thing?

I don’t place too much stock in anonymous quotes so I’m not letting this one piss me off.

It IS funny though. If it’s true – where has that guy been? On another planet?

Does he also know that the earth revolves around the sun?

LOL!

HondaV65 on October 26, 2009 at 10:52 PM

I like Hugh despite everything, but I can’t shake the impression that he was grandstanding. Hugh calls himself center-right, but repeatedly he has endorsed candidates who are more centrist than right. Ideologically, he’s not that far from Frum.

Terrie on October 26, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Frum got his clock cleaned.

John the Libertarian on October 26, 2009 at 10:54 PM

But Frum’s personal attacks on conservatives are wrong and he deserves to be called out on it.

Mr. Joe on October 26, 2009 at 10:50 PM

A few days ago his personal attacks on Limbaugh, Beck, Levin and Hannity were so aweful …

Yet I’ve never seen him get that worked up attacking Liberals – or Obama.

Frum is a panty waste.

HondaV65 on October 26, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Oh darn! I was hoping for another pure, distilled Frum article from newmajority.com…the guys who are really taking Obama on. /sarc

And this, my friends, tells us everything we need to know about the current state of the GOP:

“A senior GOP strategist, granted anonymity in order to speak candidly

AUINSC on October 26, 2009 at 10:54 PM

So,its the tent,that needs to be bigger!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 10:44 PM

I was going to post a “My tents just fine…” comment but decided to get serious. Plus I fear getting banned.

I’m fine when I hear the core principles communicated and supported. The tenets that guide us in how we lead our lives, and how we govern ourselves, doesn’t need a re-vamping any more than the Torah and the Bible need a re-write.

Red State State of Mind on October 26, 2009 at 10:54 PM

…in their efforts to brand the Republican Party as dominated by its conservative wing.

Is New York not dominated by New Yorkers? Is the population of the International Space Station not dominated by astronauts? Christ almighty you big-tent morons. If you aren’t a conservative, what the hell are you doing in the Republican party? Go away!

KSgop on October 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM

I am SICK AND TIRED of holding my nose to vote for “Republicans” who actually are RINO’s and I’m not going to do it again. Call me an American first, a conservative second and a maybe Republican if they ever get the message that Americans want conservative candidates. Someone that they can ENTHUSIASTICALLY vote for without having to hold their noses. Someone they would be willing to get out and knock doors for or make phone calls urging people to vote for the conservative candidate. NO MORE RINO’s! Starve the Republican National groups by not giving them a CENT. Give directly to good conservative candidates only.

TruthToBeTold on October 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Conservative principles trump party politics…
Our country will be the beneficiary of such struggles.

mjbrooks3 on October 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM

“The rush to back Hoffman, this strategist said, is ‘proof that the Obama political strategy is working.’”

I don’t get it.

In 2008 we ran Mr Moderate and a slate of Moderates for Congress. We got a historical shellacking. Hell, the Democrat ran on a platform of cutting taxes.

So, after seeing this strategy fail miserably the answer is more of the same? This is the left’s answer to every failed government program!

Seriously, people don’t remember history from 1 year ago?

18-1 on October 26, 2009 at 10:57 PM

“A senior GOP strategist”

Must have been a McCain campaign adviser.

califdreamnred on October 26, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Boy, the College of Cardinals is sure dominated by that darn Catholic wing. Whenever will they get more Protestants in there? Gotta have the “big tent” you know!

KSgop on October 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM

“The rush to back Hoffman, this strategist said, is ‘proof that the Obama political strategy is working.’”

What? Did Obama nominate Scozzafava?

ddrintn on October 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM

I think a lot of individual Republicans support conservatives, and I think the country is moving right again.

But that does not have to be civil war. It could just be a message, or a wake up call to some people. It might be that in some parts of the country a center right candidate is as far right as the people will move, but I think that conservatives can win in a lot of districts.

I think the race in NY with Hoffman is a lot like the race with Lieberman in Conn. It does not have to be the beginning of a national third party, it could instead be a message to the Republican party that people are fed up with business as usual.

I hope they listen, because I think that a third party on a a national level would be a gift to the left.

Terrye on October 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Whoa. Hewitt tightening the screws on the Canadian boy Frummie.

That. Was. Awesome!!!

Quote #2- It takes a special kind of spineless coward to give an anonymous quote like that. Loser.

conservative pilgrim on October 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Here’s the whole HH/DF exchange transcript.

HH is best when he is dissecting a guest.

R Square on October 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM

I listened to Newt on Greta’s show on Fox. The more I listen to him, the less impressed I am, and the more convinced I am that the Tea Party/Conservative/Independent movement that’s arisen will actually work in electing many more Conservatives.

Red State State of Mind on October 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Yep. Newt has gone off the deep end. He thinks he’s onto something with his constant 10th amendment references, but that is just straight-up stupid. The 10th amendment has nothing to do with this and Newt is conveniently forgetting that the NATIONAL GOP is throwing its weight around, so for him to pull some disingenuous “local” issue is pretty ridiculous. On top of that, Newt is not a NY-23 voter, so he seems to be railing against himself.

Newt needs to take a very long vacation. He’s sh!tting all over those of us who actually supported him when he was toxic to everyone else.

progressoverpeace on October 26, 2009 at 10:59 PM

AP–great QOTD.

conservative pilgrim on October 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM

“If you seek to be a perfect minority, you’ll remain a minority.”

“That’s not how Reagan built his revolution or how we won back the House in 1994,” Gingrich argued.

Yea…and how did you sleep after squandering that…
I say with confidence…this has been identified as proverbial double speak…
What gall…Newt…go away…
Do what you do best…Write another Civil War book…

jerrytbg on October 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Yes, I am, because I’ve got you on the air talking to me, and I’ll let you tee off on me. But when you drive-by me in Newsweek, when you put on your blog that in essence accuses me of hypocrisy, you don’t recognize it, and you won’t own it, and you can’t cite anything, David Frum. You are an outrageous example of the worst kind of yellow journalism out there. And the way you treat Limbaugh and Levin and Hannity, who do 50 times the work of keeping conservative principles alive in this country, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.”

Ooooooh weeeeeee….burn. I didn’t know Hugh Hewitt had it in him.

ddrintn on October 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM

I hope Hoffman makes it. He has the personality of a dish rag. But I think I’d like his positions on issues.

Jeff from WI on October 26, 2009 at 11:02 PM

I see no need for Civil War, great purges, dogs and cats living together, mass chaos, or anything else.

The establishment has got to stop accepting the rules of the game as set by the media and academia. Yes, you will have trouble over this–a battle royale for the ages. I just don’t think either of those two groups can survive an direct engagement. Maybe in 20 years, but not today.

And if you can’t engage them because you can’t articulate the great principles, perhaps you shouldn’t be in a leadership position anyway. Life isn’t always a grand parade, trust me. Many are called, etc, etc

And if someone actually believes in certain positions that others would call “squishy” or “RINO”–say Michael Gerson–that’s one thing. But if they are doing it because they think they are playing with a losing hand and are trying to manage decline–dude, get some steel in your backbone.

Once the power of the media and academia is reduced, then perhaps men like Mr. Frum will stop doing what they are doing and we can all sing “kumbaya” again. Having said that, read good books and don’t just throw boilerplate out there. Think.

Grant achieved his greatest victory at Vicksburg when he cut himself off from the safety and assurance of supply lines and boldly went forward with only the land to support him. There is a lesson in that.

Hold the line.

Horatius on October 26, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Thank You for Supporting Michele Bachmann

OmahaConservative on October 26, 2009 at 11:02 PM

The campaign attracted volunteers like Jennifer Bernstone, a performing artist in Canastota, N.Y., who had never been involved in politics. Bernstone had been seething ever since President George W. Bush agreed to bail out teetering Wall Street banks in late 2008. She snapped into political action a few weeks ago, after the GOP nominated Scozzafava.

And another right wing terrorist is born. Every time you attack one, ten more are created! Bwaaahahahaha!!!

Pablo on October 26, 2009 at 11:03 PM

“DF: I’m sorry, are you, you are now saying that, the way, the things you just said, that’s responsible talk?

What’s that commercial about wet paper towels: “Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy?”

Liam on October 26, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Hugh Hewitt just won back some cool points after his retarded book of bullcrap slamming the Fair Tax. I thoroughly enjoyed him handing Frum his a$$. It could have only been more enjoyable had he kicked him square in the nuts afterward.

Monica on October 26, 2009 at 11:04 PM

I hope Hoffman makes it. He has the personality of a dish rag. But I think I’d like his positions on issues.

Jeff from WI on October 26, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Yeah, but up against Scozzafava he looks like Mr Excitement. And I don’t know anything about Democrat whats-his-name…

ddrintn on October 26, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Holy Crap. that Kewitt/Frum interview was nuts. Frum is a snake, chameleon and chicken all in one. He absolutely lead his readers on to believe that Hewitt endorsed Hoffman and then made a charge of hypocricy. Not only did Frum not even know Hewitt’s true opinion of the NY-23 race but he couldn’t even come up with an example of someone who expressed the hypocricy he was talking about.

What a dunce.

Daemonocracy on October 26, 2009 at 11:04 PM

HH”…..And it’s because you wrote this sloppily, you did no research, you can’t back it up, you didn’t bother to call me. In fact, it is the worst kind of drive-by punditry that I have seen in a long time from you.

DF: All right, I really don’t appreciate that.

HH: Ha!

DF: And I have to say, if you’re going to put it that way, that really is an act of astounding vanity…..”

Anyone know what blood type David is? He’s going to need a major infusion very soon. Though I don’t think he’d find many donors in this neck of the woods.

R Square on October 26, 2009 at 11:05 PM

“DF: I’m sorry, are you, you are now saying that, the way, the things you just said, that’s responsible talk?
What’s that commercial about wet paper towels: “Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy?”

Liam on October 26, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Actually it was for trash bags, which is more appropriate when discussing Frum.

HEFTY HEFTY HEFTY

wimpy wimpy wimpy

Daemonocracy on October 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM

It’s funny, MRCC hasn’t sent me anything for a while now. Guess they got sick of receiving McLame pesos and finding that they’d had to pay for me screaming NO CONSERVATIVES? NO MONEY!!!

heheheheheheheheh

Vntnrse on October 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM

I was going to post a “My tents just fine…” comment but decided to get serious. Plus I fear getting banned.

I’m fine when I hear the core principles communicated and supported. The tenets that guide us in how we lead our lives, and how we govern ourselves, doesn’t need a re-vamping any more than the Torah and the Bible need a re-write.

Red State State of Mind on October 26, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Red State State of Mind: Amen on that!!:)

canopfor on October 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM

I *heart* Hugh Hewitt.

Laura in Maryland on October 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM

NRCC

Vntnrse on October 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM

The party apparatus says “bigger tent”.

Instead are they merely moving the tent left.

JeffWeimer on October 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

A senior GOP strategist, granted anonymity in order to speak candidly, lamented that in endorsing Hoffman, the contenders had delivered to the White House an early victory in their efforts to brand the Republican Party as dominated by its conservative wing.

If Obama succeeds in branding the Republican Party as the conservative party, he would be doing it a huge favor.

zmdavid on October 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Actually it was for trash bags, which is more appropriate when discussing Frum.

HEFTY HEFTY HEFTY

wimpy wimpy wimpy

Daemonocracy on October 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM

That’s it!

Liam on October 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Dang I wish Hugh still had the free broadcast!

terryannonline on October 26, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Frum is a snake. He’s a moderate, so his views on conservatism are irrelevant. NewMajority has some decent stuff, but it’s mostly for reading about what conservatism should avoid becoming.

The GOP establishment is full of morons. Give people the choice between limited government conservatism and liberalism, and the conservative will win every time.

If ordinary conservatives (aka normal people) ran the GOP instead of these elitist snobs the party would be in a hell of a lot better shape.

therightwinger on October 26, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Here’s the nightmare 2010 scenario:

Take one purple district

Add one candidate rejected by the local party in the selection process, with a huge dollop of egotism.

Add hordes of people who can’t find the district in question on a map, but have been assured the purple district is arseloads redder than it really is.

Stir in generous helpings of Soros money when nobody’s looking

Repeat as many times as the 0bama Administration “real, true conservatives” can pull it off.

Now can you see what Newt is warning against?

Sekhmet on October 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

I agree with what a lot David Frum is trying to do… but backing Scozzafava is ridiculous… ACORN, Card Check, Marget Sanger Award… give me a f’n break…

ninjapirate on October 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

I *heart* Hugh Hewitt.

Laura in Maryland on October 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Sorry, Laura, but personally I HATE HH since he saddled California with “Ahnuld” and ignored a great conservative like Tom McClintock.

Vntnrse on October 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

DF: I’m sorry, for you to say I’m a drive-by in this segment, and you throw in with words like slander and yellow journalism, all are on the basis of the fact that I used one adjective about you, and then I make a joke about your column, and not in a way that is hostile, and not in a way that accuses you of anything. I mean, the thin skin here, and the fact that you will set no limits on what you say of others, and yet anything…

If using one adjective gives a person a pass on responsible speech, I’ve got one adjective for Frum…but I don’t want to get the banhammer.

Laura in Maryland on October 26, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Vntnrse on October 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Fair point.

Laura in Maryland on October 26, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Purging the party is a bad idea. Newt Gingrich told me so.

LibTired on October 26, 2009 at 11:14 PM

If Obama succeeds in branding the Republican Party as the conservative party, he would be doing it a huge favor.

zmdavid on October 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

The Republicans did very well in elections from 1994-2004, as the Conservative Party.

After 2004 the Republican shifted left…and lost in 2006. Then they shifted further left…and lost a lot worse in 2008.

Is there perhaps a pattern here?

Actually, on a humorous note, has there ever been a candidate that ended up being further right wing then how they campaigned? I’m sure there must be some in the modern era, but I can’t think of one. Says something about the process of how we select candidates, doesn’t it?

18-1 on October 26, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Laura in Maryland on October 26, 2009 at 11:14 PM

I used to like him a great deal so I do understand what you say, but personally since we got stuck with the Guvornator, I just can’t bring myself to listen to Hugh.

Vntnrse on October 26, 2009 at 11:16 PM

It’s really simple. If you’re a conservative you get money, if you’re not you don’t.

Problem solved.

Mojave Mark on October 26, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Being democrat lite has worked so well in the last two elections.

jukin on October 26, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Gee…I thought it was decided Frunpy had nothing to add and was considered discarded refuse…someone call WM, they forgot something…

jerrytbg on October 26, 2009 at 11:18 PM

The David Frum interview is coming up shortly in this station.

terryannonline on October 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Now can you see what Newt is warning against?

Sekhmet on October 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Look, the American people don’t agree with Obama on any major issue save maybe Afghanistan.

To be a moderate GOPer, you have to buck the party by taking a politically disadvantageous position.

Please explain how this is a winning strategy. How do you win voters by supporting say card check or cap and trade?

You don’t. Look the problem is we have losers leading. Losers who want to concede on issues we should have no problem winning on.

This ‘civil war’ meme is a joke.

jhffmn on October 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Now can you see what Newt is warning against?

Sekhmet on October 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Read the last quote in the QOTD and see what we’re warning against.

ddrintn on October 26, 2009 at 11:22 PM

What I find interesting about this NY-23 stuff is that the only reason there’s a special election even going on is because their congressman was plucked out of obscurity to serve as secretary of the army. Handpicked by Obama’s people. Somewhere, Rahm is watching this little GOP civil war unfold with a big smile on his face. Doesn’t matter who wins. All that matters is Palin camp guns are pointed at Newt’s camp, not Obama’s.

ernesto on October 26, 2009 at 11:22 PM

The David Frum interview is coming up shortly in this station.

terryannonline on October 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Thanks Terry, that was very sweet of you.

Loxodonta on October 26, 2009 at 11:22 PM

You don’t. Look the problem is we have losers leading. Losers who want to concede on issues we should have no problem winning on.
jhffmn on October 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Red 49…BINGO !

jerrytbg on October 26, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Here’s the nightmare 2010 scenario:

Take one purple district

Add one candidate rejected by the local party in the selection process, with a huge dollop of egotism.

Add hordes of people who can’t find the district in question on a map, but have been assured the purple district is arseloads redder than it really is.

Stir in generous helpings of Soros money when nobody’s looking

Repeat as many times as the 0bama Administration “real, true conservatives” can pull it off.

Now can you see what Newt is warning against?

Sekhmet on October 26, 2009 at 11:09 PM

you keep repeating yourself like a broken record. The overhwleming opinion of people here is to support the most conservative candidate who actually has a shot at winning. The support for conservatism isn’t blind. Do you see a huge groundswell of support for daggett here on Hotair or other conservative blogs? How about talk radio? No. In fact, Hannity just interviewed Chris Christie on his show and all but endorsed him on air. So what is your point exactly?

Conservatives know better than to allow another Perot spoil the party. Scozzafava was never elected, she was selected by party insiders and does no where near as red as her district should be. Supporting Hoffman for a true conservative is a no brainer just as supporting Scozzafava is a no berainer for liberal RINOs who cant stand conservatives.

another example: When Simcox or whatever his name is announced he was running against McCain int he primary, the majority of people here supported McCain because they know Simcox is a weak candidate and can’t win a general election. McCain is far from popular here (I personally admire him and his 81% ACU rating), but the community rallied around because they know he can win.

Rubio is a charismatic conservative Cuban who has a very real chance of taking Florida in a general election. The Republican establishment didn’t even give him a chance and has thrown all of their support behind Charlie Crist who campaigned in the state with Obama in favor of the Stimulus. He is known to be an unreliable Republican yet the GOP insiders are pushing him over a perfectly reasonable and conservative candidate like Rubio. Former NH Senator Bob Smith is also in the race and is easily the most conservative out of them all, but he is not seeing the grassroots support which Rubio is enjoying because he has a slim chance of winning a general election. If Crist does win the primary, Conservatives will support him but right now they like Rubio.

So your worries are just unfounded from what I can see.

Daemonocracy on October 26, 2009 at 11:24 PM

“A senior GOP strategist, granted anonymity in order to speak candidly, lamented that in endorsing Hoffman, the contenders had delivered to the White House an early victory in their efforts to brand the Republican Party as dominated responsive to its conservative base wing.

There, that’s better.

cs89 on October 26, 2009 at 11:24 PM

All that matters is Palin camp guns are pointed at Newt’s camp, not Obama’s.

ernesto on October 26, 2009 at 11:22 PM

It’s the same camp.

LibTired on October 26, 2009 at 11:24 PM

The GOP can’t win being the party of hypocrisy, either we believe and practice our values and principles or..we’re Democrats.

Speakup on October 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM

A senior GOP strategist = McCain’s a Uniter who will bring a big tent victory to the GOP!!

mankai on October 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Doesn’t matter who wins. All that matters is Palin camp guns are pointed at Newt’s camp, not Obama’s.

ernesto on October 26, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Newt doesn’t have a camp. The only people who liked Newt were people like me, and Newt has been firing at us for a while, now. Newt is doing a McCain, sad to say.

progressoverpeace on October 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Damnit, I hate it when I sumbit my posts before I can check for typos. I completely butchered my above reply.

Daemonocracy on October 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM

mankai on October 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM

+++++++

LibTired on October 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Purging the party is a bad idea. Newt Gingrich told me so.

LibTired on October 26, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Of course, RINOs when challenged disappear into puffs of smoke never to vote or get involved in politics again. They never turn into Democrats, or become designated apologizers for every conservative move the GOP makes, or anything like that /

And RINO purges don’t stop with the Specters and Scozzafavas. They will hit the Romneys and Guilianis as well. Maybe you and God are a majority, but I think the last folks who got God to register were ACORN.

Sekhmet on October 26, 2009 at 11:28 PM

It’s the same camp.

LibTired on October 26, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Ideology is only 1/2 the battle man. Newt’s camp still represents a major part of the electoral coalition that produces national (and especially presidential) GOP success.

ernesto on October 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM

If Obama succeeds in branding the Republican Party as the conservative party, he would be doing it a huge favor.

zmdavid on October 26, 2009 at 11:07 PM

That would only make the Democrats the Liberal Party by comparison… and the trend is heavily towards self-identified conservatives and away from self-identified liberals.

mankai on October 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Come here widdle Rinos. I have some cookies for you. And I didn’t put any Iocaine powder in them either, so its OK to eat as many as you want. They are organic too.

Geochelone on October 26, 2009 at 11:30 PM

And RINO purges don’t stop with the Specters and Scozzafavas. They will hit the Romneys and Guilianis as well. Maybe you and God are a majority, but I think the last folks who got God to register were ACORN.

Sekhmet on October 26, 2009 at 11:28 PM

When was the last “RINO purge”? I can’t remember one in my lifetime.

ddrintn on October 26, 2009 at 11:30 PM

David Frumpy is everything that’s wrong with the Republican party rolled up in one dishonest, weaselly, rat-fink backstabbing, bastardly blob of goo. He is the epitome of the social-conservative loathing, big government “conservatives” that destroyed the Republican party. And just like Democrats blame everyone but the actual guilty parties for our economic mess, Frumpy runs around trying to convince everyone that it was social conservatives (the only Republican issue that won in 2006 and 2008 was socially conservative) and not big government blowhards like himself that ruined the Republican party.

The man is a flappy-headed weasel and should be utterly shunned by everyone who cares about winning.

American Elephant on October 26, 2009 at 11:30 PM

Ideology is only 1/2 the battle man. Newt’s camp still represents a major part of the electoral coalition that produces national (and especially presidential) GOP success.

ernesto on October 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM

LOL…if Newt had come out for Hoffman you would’ve been telling us that Newt is a washed-up hack who needs to STFU.

ddrintn on October 26, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Newt doesn’t have a camp. The only people who liked Newt were people like me, and Newt has been firing at us for a while, now. Newt is doing a McCain, sad to say.

progressoverpeace on October 26, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Don’t get hung up on the placeholders, you know who/what i mean. And I’ll make the same point I did earlier. McCain didn’t happen upon the GOP nomination because the party is nothing but hardline conservatives dying for red meat. While there’s something to be said for the ideological differences, they’re still part of the electoral coalition that you need to win.

ernesto on October 26, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Frum got his clock cleaned.

John the Libertarian on October 26, 2009 at 10:54 PM

I bet his Mickey Mouse watch needs some winding.

Geochelone on October 26, 2009 at 11:31 PM

Why doesn’t Politico ever make up a story about the democrats’ in-fighting? Nevermind.

SouthernGent on October 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM

So are the frumistas out there arguing Hoffman would not win if he had the GOP nomination?

Please explain why the GOP should not run true conservatives in RED DISTRICTS! Is there any reasonable argument to be made that the conservative base is not being stabbed in the back by the GOP?

If so, there needs to be a civil war to cull our failed leadership up top. We need more Demints and less Grahams.

jhffmn on October 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM

The GOP can’t win being the party of hypocrisy, either we believe and practice our values and principles or..we’re Democrats.

And that is how they beat the crap out of the GOP, with a side of hopenchange.

Pablo on October 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM

It’s the same camp.

LibTired on October 26, 2009 at 11:24 PM

It sure does look that way doesn’t it…begins with an O and rhymes with malarkey … somewhat…’)

jerrytbg on October 26, 2009 at 11:33 PM

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