New Democratic attack ad: Hey, Doug Hoffman’s rich
posted at 3:44 pm on October 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
Clear evidence of who the Dems are really worried about in NY-23, brought to you by a party that now represents most of the country’s richest districts and which you’ll find here wringing its hands about debt while its congressional leaders are busy crafting the federal boondoggle to end all boondoggles. Kudos on not letting shame stand in the way of victory, guys. What’s next? Attack ads against Snowe and Collins for supporting the stimulus?
Speaking of which, guess who turned up at a Scozzafava rally over the weekend. She’s a dastardly RINO, you say? Tell it to the NRCC, which is prepared to shower Team Dede with another $300,000 in cash:
Two party officials tell POLITICO that the NRCC will continue to air TV ads propping up Scozzafava in the days leading up to the Nov. 3 contest and plans to keep
up a near relentless barrage of press releases slamming Hoffman…The NRCC plans to spend between $200,000 and $300,000 on TV ads in the final week-and-a-half of the campaign. The ads will focus on Owens and Scozzafava and will not mention Hoffman…
[A GOP] official also noted that, as a Republican, Scozzafava would have a far larger base of support to tap into. As of April 1, voter registration in the district was 43 percent Republican, 31 percent Democrat and just 1 percent Conservative Party.
“I have yet to see a poll that shows a path to victory for the Conservative,” the official said. “They have no base.”
Conservatives have no base … among registered Republicans? Or does this unnamed idiot seriously believe Republicans are unwilling to cross over and vote third-party if the other options are two de facto Democrats, especially with names as big as Palin urging them to do so?
Actually, there is a viable line of attack raised in that Politico piece: Hoffman’s from outside the district, which not only leaves him open to carpetbagger attacks but which makes his apparent ignorance of local issues that much more potentially damaging. So why didn’t the Dems hit him on that instead of on this dopey class-warfare point?
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mike_NC9 on October 26, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Right wing populism doesn’t involve attacking the rich.
jhffmn on October 26, 2009 at 4:22 PM
That guy was a total dipsh!t. It’s morons like that who are the problem. He’s as bad as the NRCC running ads against Hoffman.
They are all slimeballs. They should be democrats. They support liberals and they are underhanded, stupid, and contemptuous of real conservatives. Scum.
That Tyler guy is a worm, not unlike his boss, the newt.
progressoverpeace on October 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM
The politics of envy and theft belong to the D’s.
lorien1973 on October 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Coservatism doesn’t involve attacking the rich.
Populism of any stripe starts with an attack on anyone or any thing that has more money or power than the person doing the attacking.
Right wing populism spends most of it’s time attacking the rich and any company larger than a mom and pop corner store.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Allahpundit, you should really be posting the NRCC ads against Hoffman. This whole thing sucks.
therightscoop on October 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Can we expect an ad about Scozza’s weight soon, for good measure?
BuckeyeSam on October 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM
First, a third party would be smaller than the GOP.
Second, there is no contempt greater than between those who share the same creed but differ on one or two issues. The GOP and the Third Party would fight worse than the Dems and GOP do now.
The only feasible strategy is to fund conservative GOP candidates directly, and starve the RNC and it’s various permutations until it wakes up.
Akzed on October 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Hoffman didn’t inherit his money. (unlike a Kennedy)
Since Hoffman is a self made man through being a successful businessman, this disqualifies him how LIBERAL SLIME?
portlandon on October 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I’d argue attacking left leaning academia, media, Hollywood, and corrupt politicians constitutes right wing populism.
jhffmn on October 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Not all classic cars are expensive. My brother saved up and bought one when he was 16. He’s treated it like his first born, and if he was ever able to part with it, he’d make a decent profit.
Classic cars take work, not necessarily money. I would think even populists understand the value of putting your hard work into an investment. Surely it isn’t lost on you either.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM
He’s just stimulating the local economy.
When the federal government, it’s good, but when an individual does it, it’s bad?
I need a to take a Moonbat 101 refresher course.
Joe Caps on October 26, 2009 at 4:27 PM
And the residents of the White House say
Let them eat cake!
Bo, the Portuguese water dog that lives with Obama family in the White House, has enjoyed a first birthday befitting of America’s first canine with a specially-produced cake made out of veal.
“We had a really sweet celebration,” admitted Mrs Obama. “He got a doghouse cake made out of veal stuff and he had his brother Cappy come over and we had party hats.”
Brat on October 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I still have the first car I bought. It wasn’t expensive when I bought it, but I’ve sunk thousands of dollars and countless hours making it stronger and faster. I never plan on selling it.
BadgerHawk on October 26, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Welcome back Allah, missed reading you the last few days and everyone’s reactions to your posts.
nwsseeker on October 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM
I agree with that. The dems only hope is a conservative third party. I’m glad this Hoffman thing is surfacing now. Good wake up call. I hope the GOP leaders get it, but if they do, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt and move on.
The media also loves the attacks on Newt. He’s a good man and blaming him is ridiculous.
mike_NC9 on October 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM
1) Compared to the present, the past is looking better every day.
2) What the h#!! is a Republican doing, creating an ad that openly attacks the policies of the previous, Republican, president. She’s openly stealing Obama’s daily talking points.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM
We’ve been trying that option, and the GOP still is not listening. Many of us have not given to the GOP for years, only individual candidates… yet they are still going for the RINO vote…
I can see choosing a RINO is a swing district… one where they need the very moderate to semi Lib vote… but NY23 is clearly a GOP stronhold… so they CHOSE to put a RINO into that safe seat, instead of a Conservative.
Romeo13 on October 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM
The article says the NRCC is going to keep slamming Hoffman in press releases, but not mention his name in TV ads. Although I can understand your confusion between the democrats and the NRCC.
SouthernGent on October 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM
If you want to see the ridiculous web ad the NRCC has against Hoffman… here it is. Seems to be completely unsourced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mw7Bzh21DQ
The first two claims seem very fishy. The last one, as I’ve already discussed, is a joke (Lake Placid is right next to the district, will be in the district after redistricting for 2012, and the GOP supported someone who didn’t live in NY-20 for the NY-20 special earlier this year).
This is what the NRCC spends their money on. Let’s see what they can accomplish if their conservative base stops sending them ANYTHING.
Red Cloud on October 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Right wing populism spends most of it’s time attacking the rich and any company larger than a mom and pop corner store.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Wrong…right wing populism spends most of its time attacking the elites inside the beltway that are clueless idiots that just happen to be rich off of the hardwork of the taxpayers. The right wing populaist only started to attack CEO’s when the elites inside the beltway teamed up with the CEO to defund the middle class thru trade laws and other regulatory tricks like lack of immigration enforcement which lowers wages of the middle class. This isn’t a class warfare issue. It is a power issue. the right wing populaist is on the cause of fair play, liberty, freedom, protection of the country’s borders against an unconsitutional power grab by the elites and their CEO internationalist friends to erode the sovergnity of the american people to further their profit margins and increase their power.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Good point. Guess we need a new designation for the real traitors.
Maybe CINOs or ConINOs, conservatives in name only.
TXUS on October 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Unless you are a rich Democrat.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM
A lot of conservatives are continuing to support the GOP mostly just out of habit – I guarantee that the vast majority of conservatives who will vote for Scozzafava are doing just that.
It is incumbent upon us to get the word out. NOT ONE RED CENT.
Red Cloud on October 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM
Romeo, in the past, I don’t think NY23 has been all that right-wing conservative. It’s New York!
mike_NC9 on October 26, 2009 at 4:35 PM
And you all thought the GOP was your friend. Sigh
True_King on October 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Red Cloud, many a great conservative worked long and hard for the GOP. It takes work, not constant attack from friendly fire.
mike_NC9 on October 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM
can see choosing a RINO is a swing district… one where they need the very moderate to semi Lib vote… but NY23 is clearly a GOP stronhold… so they CHOSE to put a RINO into that safe seat, instead of a Conservative.
Romeo13 on October 26, 2009 at 4:31 PM
it is a matter of critical mass. The GOP elites still get funds from big donors that want to keep their connection to power. however if the GOp has no power then it will have no funds. Therefore as the GOP picks continue to lose elections the money will dry up and then they will have to listen if they want scraps at the table.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Please, Mike_NC9, please don’t lump us in with the rest of New York. We’re conservative up here. In fact, Doug Hoffman isn’t even the first Conservative Party candidate to pull in a significant chunk of the votes in our neck of the woods (although he would certainly be the first to win without being cross-endorsed by the GOP).
NY-23 may not be as conservative as some of the blood-red districts in the South, but we’re at least the most conservative district in the Northeast. We haven’t elected a Democrat here since the Civil War.
Red Cloud on October 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM
That’s one element of it. Hang around here just a little while, and you will find plenty of so called conservatives who are very eager to blame their problems on evil rich guys and corporations who only care about the bottom line.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Deja Vu
“So Scozzafalcon, can you tell us why you hid in the attic pretending to be a Republican???”
“Umm… Uhhh… CPAC and Newt told me it was all part of the show!”
RETCH!!!!
Roy Rogers on October 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM
We’re not firing on the GOP unprovoked. They started it by firing on us – choosing a liberal candidate for a conservative district. Are we supposed to just bend over and take it?
Red Cloud on October 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM
I never planned on selling my first car either. Unfortunately that pick-up truck had other ideas.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Maybe one day Doug Hoffman will be on the head of a penny.
mike_NC9 on October 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Thanks DNC for showing me the candidate that you most fear. Both parties just made me donate again to Hoffman.
jukin on October 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Are you also planning on making it a family heirloom?
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Looking back… 60%+ votes Republican for the last 20 years… looks like a pretty safe Repub seat..
Romeo13 on October 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM
That sucks. I only put a few hundred miles a year on mine, so the odds of someone destroying it are considerably reduced.
BadgerHawk on October 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Thank you for proving my point.
Why do you think companies have to be forced to keep their jobs in the US?
Why do you believe that immigration is bad for the US?
Why do you hate the American consumer so much?
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM
OT: Pawlenty saw Hoffman’s poll #’s, and “decided” to endorse Hoffman.
Quite a
Leaderfollower that Pawlenty.portlandon on October 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM
I always planned on selling mine. Unfortunately, by the time I needed to, it was barely worth scrap metal. I’ve now driven two into the ground and then bought the next one with cash. It’s tough, but doing it that way has saved me a ton of money, and then I’m only getting cars I need not ones with extras I can’t afford.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM
Hmmmmm……….
A $500,000 car collection?
I saw Corvettes, but NO CLASSIC MUSTANGS!!
WTF sort of a “car collection” is that anyway??
Better not vote for him until we see the WHOLE collection!
bannedbyhuffpo on October 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM
It’s way more than this one incident, in this one district.
The Republican elite have been declaring that the only way to win is by dumping all of the social and economic conservatives for years.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Yeah. I kind of picture it being the thing my grandkids use to escape either zombies or an alien invasion after the entire world has shifted to electric vehicles and the power grid goes down.
And in case I have a son, it’s a frickin babe magnet.
BadgerHawk on October 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM
WoW!!. Talking about taking an RPG in the A**. What in the world is the RNC putting this out?. Finger at you rnc
hawkman on October 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Or at least, it was until they nominated a liberal!
But trust me on this one… if Owens wins, they won’t look inward, they’ll lash out at Hoffman and conservatives in general.
That just means that if Owens wins, the battle for NY-23 continues. Hoffman has said that he will contest the GOP primary (when the PEOPLE have the chance to choose the nominee instead of the smoke-filled rooms) in 2010 regardless of the outcome of this election. Whether he wins next week or not, it will be crucial that he win THAT election to deliver the message that we are trying to get across.
Red Cloud on October 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM
My new philosopy is to buy used, preferably around 25K miles. Keep up with basic maintenance. Drive it until something major falls off. Sell it for scrap, lather, rinse, repeat.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM
That’s the other, more practical reason for not selling. I’ll never get a return on investment for all the time and money I’ve put into it, so I might as well keep it, seeing how much I love the thing.
BadgerHawk on October 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM
and you will find plenty of so called conservatives who are very eager to blame their problems on evil rich guys and corporations who only care about the bottom line.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:38 PM
again you are not understanding the anger. It is not about rich. It is about evil and power. using laws, lobbying and money to buy votes in total disregard to the American way of life, the consitution and the vaules that have built the country simply to “make a buck” or improve the bottom line is not capitalism nor is it repersenative demmocracy. it is graft and corruption. i.e criminal behavior. when companies lobby and buy votes in Congress to ensure the borders are not protected and leave its citizens unprotected and at the mercy of drug gangs, a poor illitrate workforce that destroys the labor wage market, epidemics like H1n1, measles, mumps etc that is call a HIGH CRIME. and High crimes usally have a populist backlash. It has nothing to do with the fact that those people happen to be rich. It is what they are doing wioth the money that is the problem.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I love that. My brother’s is too, except that it has no decent radio and no A/C (almost impossible for Texas).
It looks like this, only the paint job (but not the colors) is a little different:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/images.nachofoto.com/b-1970-Dodge-Dart-Swin-4edaad0fb002.jpeg
I keep hoping he’ll let me drive it one day, but I’m not holding my breath.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Why do you hate the American consumer so much?
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM
So you are for the reimportation of cheap drugs from Canada, I take it?
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Don’t forget cheap labor from Mexico.
And all manner of cheap, lead-tainted landfill-material from China.
Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Exactly. And if you’re lucky, you can sell it to a mechanic before needing to sell it for scrap.
Of course, if you are a mechanic, it could be decades before you need to sell it.
That’s a good enough reason in and of itself. When my last two cars were on their last leg, I hated them. They left me stranded, the first one did so before I owned a cell phone.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 4:54 PM
As far as I’m concerned, those products were an act of war.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 4:55 PM
That’s awesome. I took the radio and A/C out of mine, along with the back seats and all the sound proofing (which made the radio more or less useless anyway).
I’ve only let my best friend drive it. And one kid who agreed to swap his souped up import for a 10 minute cruise, before I put most of my time into it. No one else.
BadgerHawk on October 26, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Two words:
Wheel. House.
Or is that one word?
juanito on October 26, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Those drugs are the equivalent of stolen property, because Canada forced the drug companies to sell below the market rate. So in that instance, for that reason, no.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Why shouldn’t companies hire the cheapest labor they can find. As to China’s lack of quality control, that is already being handled by the market.
Do you propose that all foreign products be banned because China sold a few defective products?
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I wouldn’t disagree.
I’d bet those murdering Marxists are laughing in their rice bowls at us right now. They could send over a load of pacifiers sprayed with anthrax and we’d still be buying millions of dollars worth of consumer goods.
Economically speaking, they have us by the balls and they darn well know it. Depending on how certain events play out they might literally own the nation before too long.
Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I would love to see Palin get the 2012 nomination but a third party conservative would just hand the election back to Obamao. , but e need to be unified as a party or forget about winning back the Presidency.
mike_NC9 on October 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Yeah, it would go good on his show “You Bet Your Life”, which was sponsored by DeSoto.
Oh, you mean Karl? He’d probably like it too.
Del Dolemonte on October 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM
More divisiveness from the post-partisan party. Pathetic class envy promotion.
TruthBeTold on October 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM
jhffmn on October 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM
See what I mean, two have already slimed their way out of the woodwork.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Why do you think companies have to be forced to keep their jobs in the US?
Why do you believe that immigration is bad for the US?
Why do you hate the American consumer so much?
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:42 PM
It all depends on what standard of living you want.
I enjoy not having famines, mass hunger, and mass poverty in the is country. i enjoy not having to worry if the drywall i buy for my house contians posions that will kill me. I enjoy working for a wage that the local economy supports and not destroying that economy and those wages by flooding the labor market with poor people. I enjoy being able to carry and understand conversations in the english language and i enjoy the sense of community one language creates. I do not enjoy having my community fractured by different “tribes” speaking different languages and following different laws. And yes if I have to pay a little more to have a safe product, a stable community etc it is worth the money.
And you know or at least you should know that most companies do not pass the 100% of the real savings down to the price of the goods, instead most keep the prices of goods at pre outsourcing levles and take the difference to increase their profit margins.
I enjoy not having massive epedimics sweep my community or country on a yearly basis because the poor illegal workforce is not vaccinated for things such as mumps, measles and polio.
It is the responsibility of a government to secure a countries borders and provide for the general welfare of the population of its citizens not the population of neirghborring countries not the rest of the world.
i eagerly await the day the economy tanks in china and the communist country takes over those companies.
the american company has forgotten that there is a price for private property, indiviual freedom etc and that price is paid in higher labor wages, etc.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM
As I recall the Dems tried this on the national level last year with Johnny Mac, whining about all of the condos that his wife owned.
Of course, they themselves had absolutely no problem with a “candidate” who married a ton of money. In fact, they ran him for President in 2004.
“Mission Accomplished”.
Del Dolemonte on October 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM
My father’s driven the Dart, but he’s also done a lot of work on the car. He’s a mechanic and used to work on his own Challenger before he had to sell it.
I’m fairly certain no one else has driven it, so I don’t take it too hard.
If you’re like my brother, your son (if you have one) will be the only other person, and I imagine that possibly being an emotional day.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Dana Rohrabacher, welcome to my list of individual donations.
Rohrabacher Endorses Doug Hoffman for Congress
http://twitter.com/DanaRohrabacher/statuses/5182723124
Red Cloud on October 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Perhaps you could ask someone whose ancestors worked themselves to early graves in a cotton field, or who watched young children go without education while working long hours in dank factories.
Our American obsession with getting everything as cheap as we can possibly get it, as fast as we can possibly get it, has led to all manner of abuses and will do so in the future if the desire is not checked.
Even leaving aside your intentionally exaggerated strawman, I’m not even sure it’s possible to economically punish China to any real degree.
At this point, so many of our remaining businesses and factories are dependent on a constant stream of Chinese goods, a serious boycott would likely hurt us a LOT worse than it hurt them!
Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM
But doesn’t President Obama like rich people for all the wealth redistribution they represent???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
Roy Rogers on October 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Is the NRCC run by Democrat moles?
pedestrian on October 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I refuse to do so, at least when it comes to buying presents for my nieces and nephews. I’m a pain to shop with for Christmas, but I refuse to buy kids’ presents made in China.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 5:07 PM
mike_NC9 on October 26, 2009 at 4:21 PM
With all due respect, screw Newt.
oldleprechaun on October 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM
It is very hard to put your money where your mouth is in this instance – speaking from frustrating experience. You deserve some serious kudos even for seriously trying.
Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Newt is due respect?
Red Cloud on October 26, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Those drugs are the equivalent of stolen property, because Canada forced the drug companies to sell below the market rate. So in that instance, for that reason, no.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM
ROFL. your logic fails. the Mexico government forced its people to be poor due to corruption and elitism. So using your logic we should not have immigration because of the actions of Mexico’s government.
the fac tis the drug companies sell their drugs for much more in the USA then the rest of the world and they use those increase in profits to do R&D to invent better drugs, new drugs. I have no problem paying the higher price because i enjoy the benifit of better drugs, longer life spans, and increase health form those drugs.
I also have no problem paying higher wages because I enjoy the benefit of police, fire, schools, roads, bridges, clean air, clean water, safe meat and fruits, and safe products. I enjoy a higher standard of living in this country and that higher standard of living comes with a cost. the cost of taxes, regulations etc.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM
No wonder the Pig-eyed Newt doesn’t like him . Newt hates those private sector money grubbers almost as much as Mav .
borntoraisehogs on October 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Newt. Meh.
He sees this GOP vacuum as an opportunity – I like Newt Gingrich, and I agree with a lot of what I hear from him. Problem is, after this little episode, I’m not sure that what I’ve heard from him is really Newt, or just appropriate for his audience at the time.
uncivilized on October 26, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Hoffman is on Glenn Beck in 15 minutes.
Red Cloud on October 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM
I enjoy a higher standard of living in this country and that higher standard of living comes with a cost. the cost of taxes, regulations etc.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 5:10 PM
a cost by the way that companies that outsource no longer has to pay and since the cost has not gone away the price has be paid by others. namely the middle class with increases in sales taxes, poperty taxes, income taxes, increased fees and fines and court costs.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM
I wouldn’t care if Hoffman had a zillion dollars, so long as he earned them honestly. I just want the freedom to keep the few thousand I made this year without some government moocher stealing it and wasting it on Nancy Pelosi’s pet projects.
jimmy2shoes on October 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM
The reason the Dims want the word to get out about Hoffman’s wealth is so it hurts his fund raising from regular Joe’s like us. They already know they can kick Scozza’s a** and they see Hoffman as being a possible Dark Horse in the race that they want “newtered”.
chickasaw42 on October 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM
It generally means a very small selection, but it’s worth it to me. I’m not as concerned about gifts for adults, as they’re a little harder to kill with bad products; otherwise, I’d have to give everyone restaurant gift cards.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM
free trade was suppose to be used to entice our allies and hurt our enemies. it was never meant to be an economic policy. It was used after WW2 as a forgien policy tool.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 5:16 PM
chickasaw42 on October 26, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Rich = evil. Unless you’re a Democrat donor. In which case you’re enlightened, just like your wallet.
Who here doesn’t aspire to be wealthy? Why punish the people who achieved the goal to which we aspire?
hawksruleva on October 26, 2009 at 5:18 PM
You think that by locking out foreigners, and foreign products, you will increase your standard of living?
If so, you are a complete and utter ignoramus.
Trade creates wealth. The more the trade, the greater the wealth. That’s been a proven fact for well over 200 years.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:19 PM
You do love demonstrating your absolute ignorance on the subject of economics, don’t you.
The fact that people live better is due to the fact that companies spend their time trying to think of better ways to do more with less. It’s called productivity.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:21 PM
10 years ago, people said the exact same thing about products from Korea. Before that it was Japan. Before that it was Taiwan.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM
All your bases are belong to US!
HondaV65 on October 26, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I don’t know if that quite works. No one can really force anyone to be poor (though I do agree that by allowing immigration, especially illegal immigration with no wait, we are helping Mexico keep it’s population down, as people leave rather than try to fix the mess), but the government can force you to sell something at a loss. Mexico has the world’s second richest man, so it’s not as though wealth isn’t possible there.
Now, if he’d said that people shouldn’t buy drugs from Mexico, then I’d understand a bit more the point you’re making.
Esthier on October 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM
If you had even a passing acquaintence with the subject of logic, you would be able to recognize for yourself, how incredibly stupid you make yourself sound.
Yes, Mexicans are poor because they are screwed over by their govt. (I might add, that you are trying your best to apply the same policies that impoverished the Mexicans to the US.)
Now if you had even the tiniest inkling of how business worked, you would realize that the same corruption that makes Mexican’s poor, makes it very expensive for foriegn companies to open plants there. The workers wages is typically the last thing a company checks when they decide where to build a new plant.
As to your claim that the corruption endemic in Mexico would keep those same workers working for the same wages once they come to the US. That is utter bullscrapings, but then.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Are you actually stupid enough to think that it is taxes and regulations that have made this country great???????
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Your ignorance knows no bounds.
Free trade is good, because it makes us wealthier. That it has other benefits is a bonus. It was never the primary motivator.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM
RNC now stands for:
Republicans, Not Conservatives
hawksruleva on October 26, 2009 at 5:30 PM
The massive immigration to the US has been a disaster for Mexico as well.
Everyone with enough gumption to want to improve their lot in life, leaves for the US. Leaving only those who want to sit around and moan about how they are owed a living and the govt is coming through for them.
Sounds a lot like those who spend their days worrying about foreigners coming here and competing for their jobs.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:30 PM
You think that by locking out foreigners, and foreign products, you will increase your standard of living?
If so, you are a complete and utter ignoramus.
Trade creates wealth. The more the trade, the greater the wealth. That’s been a proven fact for well over 200 years.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009
ROFL at youe simply 3rd grade level understanding of economic issues and use of strawmen.
No one says anything about locking out products or foreigners. Yet somehow you jump to that strawman.
Not all trade creates wealth. In fact some trade destroys wealth if the trade balance is negative you have a transfer of wealth. For example the trade between a drug dealer and drug user does not create wealth for the user. trade is not always benificail for both parties. you are only looking at the seen benefits of free trade and are not factoring the unseen costs of that trade. nor are you looking into the future and seeing the results of those actions. in 1994 when NAFTA was passe dmany economists predicted massive unemplyment with the decade. as the unemployment numbers continue to explode to the upside they appear to be correct. that gaint sucking sound is what free trade between unequal partners gets you.
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Read that and thought, “Funny, that doesn’t sound like Ed.”
Welcome back, AP.
tom on October 26, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Don’t worry to much about this particular race or attach any deep meaning to it. This is just the perfect opportunity to let the RNC learn a little lesson. If Mr. Hoffman wins, it will be icing on the cake, but b!tching and contributions will not go unnoticed by the inside the Beltway set. Good luck NY23, enjoy your time in the spotlight.
Cindy Munford on October 26, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Your ignorance knows no bounds.
Free trade is good, because it makes us wealthier. That it has other benefits is a bonus. It was never the primary motivator.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Are you a high school drop out? Or are you just becoming wealthier by trading with your drug dealer more often?
unseen on October 26, 2009 at 5:38 PM
You accuse others of having a third grade understanding of economics, and then you pull this crap example?
It must be really embarrasing to look in the mirror each morning and realize that you are still you.
Are you honestly trying to compare foreign trade to taking drugs??????
Are you really, that incredibly naive and stupid?
NAFTA did not create any unemployment. Every factory that left for Mexico, had already been scheduled to be shipped to Asia. Yes, there were a handfull of leftwing economists who predicted that the US would suffer, but as always, history proved the liberals to be brain dead.
NAFTA was directly responsible for a huge increase in wealth for Americans, and I do mean all Americans. Better wages, better products, better prices. It was a huge win for America.
Trade ALWAYS benefits those who trade. By definition.
MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 5:39 PM
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