EPA putting the brakes on coal

posted at 10:55 am on October 26, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Almost two years ago, Barack Obama told the editors of the San Francisco Chronicle that anyone who wanted to open a new coal-burning electrical plant would get “bankrupted” by his policies.  They may not even get the coal to burn, thanks to the EPA.  The Washington Times’ Amanda Carpenter reports that the agency has held up scores of surface mining permits in an action that will get the attention of coal-producing states — and their Senators:

While campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama said his cap-and-trade tax plans would “bankrupt” anyone building a coal-fired power plant. Although those taxes haven’t materialized, the Environmental Protection Agency has put the brakes on 79 surface mining permits in four states since he was elected.

The EPA says these permits could violate the Clean Water Act and warrant “enhanced” review. But the agency went even further last week, announcing plans to revoke a permit for the Spruce No. 1 Mine in West Virginia – a move that has caused anxiety among coal-state Democrats about the future of the industry under the Obama administration. …

Although his favored cap-and-trade bill hasn’t yet been passed, West Virginia’s Democratic Gov. Joe Manchin III, who supported Mr. Obama’s candidacy, called the EPA moves part of a stealth campaign to stifle the industry.

“Right now, my belief is that they’re trying to kill off surface mining through regulation what they cannot get done through legislation,” Mr. Manchin told MetroNews Talkline, a West Virginia call-in radio program, earlier this month. In West Virginia, 23 permits are being held up, with other affected states being Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee.

Speaking of Senators, West Virginia’s Jay Rockefeller is none too pleased at this action, either:

“I am angry with the EPA’s announcement that they will use veto power to revoke the authorized Spruce Mine permit in Logan,” he said. “It is wrong and unfair for the EPA to change the rules for a permit that is already active.”

To get cap-and-trade past a cloture vote, Obama will need Rockefeller and fellow WV Democrat Robert Byrd.  That’s not likely as long as the EPA attempts to hamstring the coal industry through heavy-handed regulatory encroachment.  But cloture isn’t the real problem.  Coal states have elected a number of Democrats, from Indiana to Ohio to Pennsylvania to West Virginia, none of whom will get re-elected if they kneecap their states’ economies by allowing the Obama administration to bankrupt the coal industry — especially through EPA overreach.

ObamaCare has its difficulties with moderate Democrats, but this creates another layer of difficulty for the White House.  ObamaCare would probably pass narrowly in the Senate if it could get past a cloture vote, which is why Harry Reid has threatened reconciliation to avoid the procedural hurdle.  Cap-and-trade may wind up not having 50 votes in the Senate, thanks to the EPA and the economy-killing approach the Obama administration is taking on coal.

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Don’t lump us in with OH, PA or VA.

UcantCme on October 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM

WV has two Democrat Senators, what were they thinking?

You reap what you sow and in WV’s case, it will be terrace farming soy beans.

Electing Democrats has consequences. All bad.

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Political suicide bomber.

After all these months, that is the most accurate description I’ve heard.
Look, Michigan is devastated. OH, PA, WV and Kentucky are next.
CA, and, to some degree, OR are destorying themselves oh and NY too. Obama is well on his way to complete ownership of a once free country on it’s knees.

ORconservative on October 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

rockmom on October 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Rock, IMO you are a solid conservative and your comments are consistently good. But, I detect a bit of “NIMBY” with this post.

It would be nice if we could keep all of our messes out of sight, but that’s just not practical in all things. Don’t get me wrong, though. Mountain top removal does bring severe pollution problems. Supposedly though, there are rules and regulations in place to ensure the polluting elements are contained. And thats the joke. Government, at all levels, is corrupt. These mines are polluting only because the “government” allows them to do it, by not enforcing the laws developed to prevent it.

That to me is the problem.

BobMbx on October 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Well at least this makes sense for timing.

I mean, with the economy going as well as it is, all the people who would otherwise be employed mining can easily find another job, right?

How many jobs are “saved or created” by stopping all coal mining? I’m guessing a squijillion.

gekkobear on October 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

But I’m sure he’d never play politics with our energy policy like that!

Right…?
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Blacksmith on October 26, 2009 at 11:24 AM

He doesn’t seem to mind playing politics while letting soldiers die, as they await a game plan. Funny how the press isn’t reporting on the mood of the grunts with boots on the ground. Soldiers don’t care much for a president who paints a target on their back.

Treasonous.

fogw on October 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Maybe Cesar Obama is just learning how to play the game. First show the Senators who is in command. Then, if they want to sell coal, they have to play ball.

pedestrian on October 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Hey, Governor. What part of “we’re going to bankrupt those industries” didn’t you understand.

Thanks for your support, sucka!
—BHO

ted c on October 26, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Obama did avoid committing to policy positions to an absurd degree during the campaign, but as you note, it wasn’t that hard to look them up.

I’m not surprised the mushy middle feel for the State Media spin job, but you would think that the “moderate” Democrats would have tried to stop Obama considering how extreme his ideology is.

Democrats are very, very good at following orders…but at some point I would imagine that at least a few of them are going to stop falling on their sides for the hard left. Seriously, what happens to West Virginia’s economy if Obama gets his way?

18-1 on October 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Aw c’mon, he means well.

Akzed on October 26, 2009 at 11:14 AM

No he doesn’t

thomasaur on October 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

I don’t know, I kind of look forward to living as the plains indians did; residing in tee-pees, hunting muskrats DEMOCRATS for food and clothing

Bishop on October 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM

FIFY

VibrioCocci on October 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM

He doesn’t seem to mind playing politics basketball while letting soldiers die, as they await a game plan.

BobMbx on October 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM

My electric is generated by the local nuke. My natural gas supplier just kicked back 2 free months due to price fallout.

Coal state Dems can sit in the dark and freeze for all I care.

bloviator on October 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM

West Virginia’s Democratic elected representatives supported candidate Obama’s election fairly early. But the PEOPLE of West Virginia overwhelminly rejected his candidacy, first in the Dem. Primary (a landslide loss: Hillary’s 67% to Obama’s 26%, with 7% for John Edwards). And in the general election, John McCain defeated the President by 56% to 46%. Of course, for this the State’s residents were branded ignorant racists.

The people certainly knew much better than the elected representatives what would be good for the State.

clorensen on October 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM

OmahaConservative on October 26, 2009 at 11:22 AM

When does he figure out that the unemployed don’t pay taxes to keep him in the lifestyle he has become accumstom to?

Cindy Munford on October 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Although his favored cap-and-trade bill hasn’t yet been passed, West Virginia’s Democratic Gov. Joe Manchin III, who supported Mr. Obama’s candidacy, called the EPA moves part of a stealth campaign to stifle the industry.

I have zero sympathy for West Virginia Democratic Governor Joe Manchin III. He made his deal with the Devil, and now he has to live with the result.

gridlock2 on October 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Coal state Dems can sit in the dark and freeze for all I care.

bloviator on October 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM

But what about this coal state conservative?

Oink on October 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

I would really like to slap the crap out of someone.

Oink on October 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

The administration wants solar and wind power only? If so, this is moronic, insane, and not practical on any level!

GFW on October 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM

He doesn’t seem to mind playing politics basketball while letting soldiers die, as they await a game plan.

Barry’s studying every episode of M*A*S*H* in order to formulate a game plan and he’s up to the one where BJ Honeycutt reports for duty, be patient.

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM

I think those “blue dogs” just might start biting if this keeps up.

cs89 on October 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM

When does he figure out that the unemployed don’t pay taxes to keep him in the lifestyle he has become accumstom to?

Cindy Munford on October 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

The unemployed will vote to keep him at the top of the food chain. It doesn’t matter how bad the economy gets, there will always be enough money to ensure that the President does not suffer any deprivation.

gridlock2 on October 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM

56% to 4643%

clorensen on October 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Ever eat a pine tree? Many parts are edible.

BobMbx on October 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Euell Gibbons said they taste like wild hickory nuts, right? Nuts…ha…yep, America is officially nuts.

redwhiteblue on October 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM

An example of unintended consequences: I live in an agricultural area. My neighbor, who farms about 4000 acres, has several irrigation wells. We have a roving band of illegals in the area who go in at night and tear up the irrigation engines to salvage he copper in the radiators( worth about $70). In the process, they create leakage of water/antifreeze into the ground around the engines. My neighbor just repairs the damage( about $1000) without turning in a complaint to law enforcement because he is afraid the EPA will force him to remove all the dirt aroung the spill area and replace it. So, the theft goes unreported.

a capella on October 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Old age would be 45-50.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM

That’s about the only way left to save social security.

MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I think those “blue dogs” just might start biting if this keeps up.

cs89 on October 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM

They already bite, along with every other Congressional Democrat.

They really bite.

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Now that we are EXPORTING coal to china, this was the only way left to stop the chineese from burning it.

What will be the impact of a coal shortage? Can anyone say higher prices for energy? And of course, as coal becomes UNAVAILABLE, look for power outages in the near future. Living out here in Cal, where much of the power is IMPORTED due to INSANE regulations, I expect to be cut off first.

And speaking of insane Ca policies – while the media is looking at one sf joke of a policy, sf is gonna stick it to the people through higher car insurance for citizens!

Freddy on October 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Government by regulation: fear it.

PattyJ on October 26, 2009 at 11:47 AM

rockmom on October 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Well, I don’t know about the Mountain Top strip mining, but I have personally seen the strip mining operations in Wyoming. My brother has worked in them for the last 25 years. The reclamation out there is very good. Granted, it’s all prairie to begin with but still…

And the idea that they don’t employ people because it’s all machines?? There’s a lot of people in North East Wyoming and South East Montana that would beg to differ..

BigWyo on October 26, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Freddy on October 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Interesting… didn’t know we were exporting Coal to China…

But this does explain why Barry then wants this stopped… can’t have any type of positive Trade Balance, it would shore up the dollar….

Romeo13 on October 26, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Somehow I think the EPA’s actions are more than about the environment. Who has the worlds largest coal supply? What can be used in place of foreign oil for energy production?
The environment issue is just a smoke screen. No pun intended

oldernwiser on October 26, 2009 at 11:52 AM

That’s about the only way left to save social security.

MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM

What about removing the tax cap?

Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Ever eat a pine tree? Many parts are edible.

BobMbx on October 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Euell Gibbons!

(guess we’re showing our age, huh?)

turfmann on October 26, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Ever eat a pine tree? Many parts are edible.

BobMbx on October 26, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Euell Gibbons!

(guess we’re showing our age, huh?)

turfmann on October 26, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Yeah, but didn’t he die of stomach cancer?

Romeo13 on October 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Cap-and-trade may wind up not having 50 votes in the Senate, thanks to the EPA and the economy-killing approach the Obama administration is taking on coal.

Sounds like a few Senators may have been mugged by reality.

iurockhead on October 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Old age would be 45-50.

darwin on October 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM
That’s about the only way left to save social security.

MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I see Death Panels…..

atlgal on October 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM

rockmom on October 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Why do you only concentrate on what it looks like while the mining is going on. Why not a few pictures after the mandated remidiation is finished?

Regardless. The world is a big place. If few mountaintops get torn down for a few years, then replaced, what’s the harm.

MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM

rockmom on October 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Those pictures you linked mirror what the entire business community of the US is going to look like if we stop mining coal for energy.

China is building a hundred coal plants a year. They kill miners at a faster clip than we lose soldiers in two shooting wars. China’s activities make anything we do for the planet world government irrelevant.

Nobody opposes clean water for the people of West Virginia, but it’s hard to say one teacher having to move after selling his home for profit to a coal company is a greater tragedy than wrecking the US economy. It’s astounding we’re going to wreck our economic engine which allowed (until now) lavish social spending the Left so desires. It’s Cloward-Piven on a global scale. Equality of poverty along with some necessary “culling” of the herd.

Beagle on October 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM

My electric is generated by the local nuke. My natural gas supplier just kicked back 2 free months due to price fallout.

Coal state Dems can sit in the dark and freeze for all I care.

bloviator on October 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Problem is, you are next…

yubley on October 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM

rockmom on October 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I must mention that underground mining is very dangerous? Why do you hate miners so much?

MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Yeah, but didn’t he die of stomach cancer?

Romeo13 on October 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM

He died due to a lack of preservatives.

BobMbx on October 26, 2009 at 12:00 PM

And yet, the one dear leader will still get cap n trade. As one poster said, this is Chicago politics. If they give hime what he wants, he’ll call off the dogs (so to speak).

matthew26 on October 26, 2009 at 12:03 PM

What about removing the tax cap?

Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 11:52 AM

1) Not enough high earners to make a difference.
2) What you get out of SS is based on what you put in. Removing the cap means that more goes in now, but when the millionares start retiring, there will be much more going out as well.
3) Like all schemes pushed by liberals, it does no good, but it makes the class warriors feel good about themselves.

MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Wonder where Sen. Baucus, D-Mt, is on this issue. Oh, wait, he’s too busy trying to take over health care.

Kissmygrits on October 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Obama: I’m in your economy, messing it up.

lorien1973 on October 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM

1) Not enough high earners to make a difference.
2) What you get out of SS is based on what you put in. Removing the cap means that more goes in now, but when the millionaires start retiring, there will be much more going out as well.

MarkTheGreat on October 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Doh. Should’ve guessed #1, with the recession on, and forgot how the system worked for a minute.

Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 12:10 PM

I wasn’t being hyperbolic when I mentioned coal mining fatalities in China.

Beagle on October 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM

So, who did all those mining unions support in the election?

Blake on October 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Obama. The number of “UMW for Obama” signs in southwest PA last year was heartbreaking. The coal-fields area is depressed enough as it is without these union sheep buying the Dem-party propaganda. Every peripheral business goes down when the mines aren’t working.

onlineanalyst on October 26, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Here’s the Energy Information Administration (very interesting info for every state) link to find out how deeply you’ll take it from a reduced coal supply, or under ‘crap & enslave’:

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/state/

Doorgunner on October 26, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Coal, bad. Oil, bad. Nuclear energy, bad.

fogw on October 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM

and the soon to be ‘P-Word’. Profit bad.

Wade on October 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM

A great campaign slogan for the upcoming elections (if we are fortunate enough to have any) is “Let’s Reenergize America! Vote for the Common Sense candidate”

onlineanalyst on October 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM

I don’t know, I kind of look forward to living as the plains indians did; residing in tee-pees, hunting muskrats for food and clothing, using bear fat to moisturize my skin, dying from strep infections.

Time to get back to humanity’s roots and living the good life again as nature intended.

Bishop on October 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Sorry, comrade, but the muskrats and bears are off limits.
And make sure that teepee is insulated to government standards- fire is a big no no.
Kudos on the dying of strep for Mother Gaia, however.

justltl on October 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Kind of OT, but I think it speaks to Obama’s veracity and money/jobs policies:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/caterpillar-cutting-jobs-bringing-others-back-2009-10-26

Remember the “stimulus will help Caterpillar bring folks back to work?”

They are bringing 550 back- and eliminating 2500 other positions.

Hope and Change!

cs89 on October 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM

justltl on October 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Will our pagan gods and goddesses ban firewater too?

Because that would cross a line.

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM

I shed no tears for Ohio or Pennsylvania. They get what they voted for.

Techie on October 26, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Who woulda thunk that the millions of green jobs would be the planting of survival gardens?

Half of the output from those gardens will go to China.
A quarter is re-distributed to those who aren’t gardening.
You get to keep a quarter.

justltl on October 26, 2009 at 12:34 PM

If Obamacare passes, we might as well do Cap and Tax so we can collapse the economy faster. Might as well get it over with.

RadClown on October 26, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Will our pagan gods and goddesses ban firewater too?

Because that would cross a line.

NoDonkey on October 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Sorry, comrade- no firewater.
Marijuana is ok.
You have to eat it, though.
No smokie.

justltl on October 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Obama restricts coal.

Price of coal rises.

Price of energy rises.

Price of high-energy processes (like smelting and forging) rises.

Price of manufacturing increases.

Increased costs further stress troubled American heavy manufacturing sector.

????

Profit! Right?

Techie on October 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM

I’m going to put on my liberal hat here and applaud this Administration.

rockmom on October 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Let’s see how loudly you applaud when you find out that none of the “renewable energy” schemes work without standby coal, oil, gas, or nuclear standby plants which are at least equal in capacity to the “renewable energy” sources. It turns out that current “renewable energy” concepts are political and not scientific: consequently, they won’t work the way you think they will.

At some point, you liberals are going to be smacked upside your heads with reality. And it’s not going to be pretty.

landlines on October 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Remember when idiot Dems were saying that Republicans that didn’t want Universal Healthcare shouldn’t be allowed to buy healthcare?

How ’bout anyone who voted for Obama shouldn’t be allowed coal-generated electricity?

29Victor on October 26, 2009 at 12:43 PM

The steel mill in my hometown melts over a million tons of steel each year – with electricity. This stuff should do wonders for its competitive position. A couple thousand people work there.

That town is going to be left with nothing but some hope and change to rub together.

forest on October 26, 2009 at 12:44 PM

The EPA is now officially a rogue agency. Their assault on coal is only the tip of the iceberg. They will be ratcheting down on all “hazardous air pollutants” in 2010 making it extremely difficult for industry to produce. The EPA has abandoned its MACT standards…letting maximum available control technology dictate emissions levels. They think they can just mandate lower emissions when there is no technology to achieve their pie-in-the-sky notions and industry will just get there. There is an evil wind blowing, and it ain’t from industry smoke stacks…

Wyznowski on October 26, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Why would “Jay” be upset. Bambi told everyone what he would do. I even brought it up to a friend of my son who is at Penn State and his family works coal. He said it was just talk. Got what you aked for and now have buyers remorse. OH WELL!

faol on October 26, 2009 at 12:54 PM

faol on October 26, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Obama did get ripped in Appalachia in the election – but not so much in Centre County, PA. Too many eggheads at Penn State I guess.

forest on October 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Cap-and-trade may wind up not having 50 votes in the Senate, thanks to the EPA and the economy-killing approach the Obama administration is taking on coal.

It won’t matter since SCoTUS gave the EPA the right to regulate CO2 as a pollutant.

chemman on October 26, 2009 at 1:00 PM

29Victor on October 26, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Why just coal? They don’t like Nuclear and Natural Gas is a fossil fuel also.

chemman on October 26, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I realize I may be beating a dead horse hear, but really, when can one start asking about the 800lb gorilla in the room? Before we stop to consider King Kong’s intentions, let’s re-cap shall we….

1) Despite numerous polls showing that Americans do not want Obamacare by a significant margin. Greater in number than that Obama was elected by, yet the progressively fueled DNC regardless of there electorate.

2) Despite the fact that the bulk of coal producing states fall decidedly in the “blue column”, and represent huge portion of their economies progressively fueled DNC are actively seeking to “bankrupt” those industries.

3) The fact that if successful in acheiving #2, that it will result in reducing the electrical supply to their constituents by 42%. Thus creating a demand vs supply spike that’ll causing a draconian surge in prices that could indeed result in fatalities as winter descends inthose very same states.

4)In spite of public sentiments, the rush to take over ever more industries, coerced unionization of the same continues apace.

5) Advancement of nanny-state legislation micro-manging your garage sales,..

http://reason.com/blog/2009/05/07/your-yard-sale-is-illegal

…your home gardening….

http://www.southernstates.com/sscinfo/news/2009/0709pelosifoodsafetyactwillprotect.aspx?i=709

…rendering sales of personal belonging and growing your food virtually illegal.

5) Proceeding to implement “Sex-Ed” to ever lower ages, that not go so far as to propose teaching 5th graders the fine points of masturbation. Something at least 95% of Americans are uncomfortable with.

I could go on, but I think your beginning to get the gist, the progressively fueled DNC are regularly advancing policies their constituents disagree with. The same constituencies one would think they will be needing the votes of to retain their positions. Clearly their is a disconnect here.

So my 800lb question is this, what could possibly possess the DNC to commit seemingly politcal suicide? What could they be counting on that we are aware of, that would give them cause to think their re-election is not dependent on constituent support. Why would they show the confident hubris they have, to proceed as if these things have no bearing on their retaining their positions?

When considering those questions and considering the demonstrable facts;

A) Obama cut his political teeth with an organization involved in rampant voter fraud.

B) That he hails from the political machine most renowned in the country for corruption, and whose unofficial motto is “vote early, vote often”.

C) The progressive movement from which he sprung champions the likes of Mao, Che , Castro and Chavez. Men whose regimes once in power, never allowed a “free and fair” election there-after.

I think you can see where I am going with this. In the light of all I just listed, why should we not ask whether the progressives ever intend on giving us the opportunity to vote them out?

Anyone?

Archimedes on October 26, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Damn, I hope evryone is able to decipher what was in that post, despite my glaringly horrendous typing skills.

Sorry!

Archimedes on October 26, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Coal, bad. Oil, bad. Nuclear energy, bad.

fogw on October 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM

and the soon to be ‘P-Word’. Profit bad.

Wade on October 26, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Yeah, but would you want to buy your energy from someone who was only in it for the profit?

/If the argument works for doctors ….

tom on October 26, 2009 at 1:17 PM

“One way or another, we’re gonna getya,getya,getya, one way or another”. No health care, no heat, no homes, no food, no electricity, no gas. Now we have to compete with the animals for survival. See what happens when we reach across the aisle.

Kissmygrits on October 26, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Come on Hank Rearden, make some Rearden metal. But we are taking your mines, and destroying your transportation, and constantly trying to convince the public how terrible your product is. Who cares if everyone suffers, jobs are lost and the economy sinks further. We MEANT well.

walnut on October 26, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Obama: “Tell you what, vote for my healthcare plan and I promise, this EPA thing will just go away.”

mrt721 on October 26, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Now to see how quickly the GOP leadership will squander this development.

aikidoka on October 26, 2009 at 1:30 PM

These whiny—–or pretend whiny Dems that cry NOW that our American Jesus (on loan to us until the World calls him up to greater leadership) should just give it a rest.

If ANYONE in WVa thinks that Jay ROCKEFELLER cares about them they have a screw loose.

Thanks WVa coal miners union……….how’s that hope and change working out for you?

PappyD61 on October 26, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Compassionate Fascism strikes again.

Dhuka on October 26, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Make no mistake about it. If the Democrats have their way we’ll be living in grass huts and caves.

TrickyDick on October 26, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Live without coal, EH? But can you live without steel?? Try to get through a day, ANY DAY, without using something made of steel, or using something that itself was made using steel tooling or machinery. ALL exposed-quality steels (auto sheet metal, major appliances) must still be made using the iron-ore-and-coke (baked coal)-fed blast furnace iron process. I did that for alot of years. I now am making steel from 100% recycled steel scrap in an electric-arc furnace and STILL cannot get away from needing coal products in the process, even though what we’re making are merchant-quality bar products.

Bottom line: No coal, no steel.

I now need some plastics guy to weigh in with uses of the coal by-products recovered from the coking process. Like plastic for medical stuff, etc….

SteelGuy on October 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Since the US is so rich in coal and natural gas, I say we ban both. Yeah, that’s the ticket! We don’t need no energy independence.

KarlE on October 26, 2009 at 1:56 PM

SteelGuy on October 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM

I’m a techie who sees the jaw-dropping miracles done with plastics everyday. Does that count?

Dark-Star on October 26, 2009 at 1:56 PM

bloviator on October 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Where’s your electricity going to come from when that nuke plant trips or when they do a mandatory shutdown for refueling?

Oldnuke on October 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Well, this explains a lot of why my business is faltering. It directly affects a lot of companies that don’t even burn the “evil” coal..

I guess this will mean China, who has thousands of unregulated polluting, inefficient coal-fired plants, will get to do even more sh*%*ing in the proverbial swimming pool.

Meanwhile, we have the best, cleanest, most efficient processes for coal power and we’re ball-gagged and hamstrung, just like Madame Pelosi wants us.
PALOMINO!!

NTWR on October 26, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Bottom line: No coal, no steel.

SteelGuy on October 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM

But Obama and Pelosi know the difference between metallurgical coal and, say, lignite, right? Ha ha, just kidding.

So there goes MORE of our manufacturing to China. If something like WWII were to happen, we may not even have the ability to manufacture anything for our defense. At least we had some factories back then.

The EPA is also destroying the Breadbasket of America by cutting water to farmers in the San Joaquin Valley for the introduced, crappy little Delta Smelt.

Pitchforks, anyone?

NTWR on October 26, 2009 at 2:15 PM

The US imports most of its oil and some of its natural gas. Coal on the other hand is so plentiful that the US can export it and has been called the ‘saudi arabia of coal’

Now which of these do the environmentalists make the biggest stink over?

Do you think that is a coincidence?

agmartin on October 26, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Well, at least we’re building nuke plants all over to replace the “dirty” energy. I want to puke.

marklmail on October 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM

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The Supreme Court decision that makes C02 a “pollutant” ranks right up there with the 19th century SOCUS ruling that the Black slave Dred Scott was not a person. The court said that he was a “thing”–kindov like a cow–that could be owned and abused by a slave owner.
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Comrade Obama (PBUH) started packing the court with his “wise” (aka prejudiced) Latina. Stand by for more great decisions.
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DRILL HERE–DRILL NOW. BUILD NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS. Pass a law requiring the most economical and reliable energy sources be used consistent with rational anti-pollution policies.
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Vote these Luddite clowns out of office before we live like the North Koreans–eating bark and grass outside the castle. While Comrade Obama (PBUH) and his minions live large inside the castle and the peasants starve and are abused by them–Dear Leader style.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on October 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM

I shed no tears for Ohio or Pennsylvania. They get what they voted for.

Techie on October 26, 2009 at 12:32 PM

As with nearly every election in PA, the urban areas skew the vote via the Dem machine and strong influence of groups like ACORN or government workers.

onlineanalyst on October 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM

OT but related in a way:
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/water.system.2.1267896.html

Mayor Daley may be looking to lease Chicago’s water supply.

Leasing parking spaces? Okay with that. It’s not a live or die situation if you can’t afford to drive and park your car every day because the new owner has raised the rates.

Leasing water? How does this help the poor of Chicago if they go ahead and do this?

The libs want us cold, thirsty and begging for help.

journeyintothewhirlwind on October 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Let me re-post how our nation has squandered its nuclear technology advantage over the last few decades: http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2UzNWQ3N2ViYTI3NDQyZGQ0MTVlMDgzNDhmZmM0ZWM=

“Planet Gore” also has a newer post re how China is scaling back on solar panel development in its energy sector reshuffling of priorities and investment.

It’s good to check in there every once in a while for updates of what is going on behind the scenes.

onlineanalyst on October 26, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Elections may not make that much of a difference…

In a ruling environmental activists called historic, the 2nd Circuit reinstated global warming lawsuits filed against electric utility companies under a common law nuisance theory.

The plaintiffs to the suits are eight states, including New York and California, and various environmental groups.

As the legal environmental blog Warming Law notes, previous cases brought under this theory were dismissed (or are still pending) and this opinion – which comes after a three year wait – presents environmental activists with a new avenue of litigation.

The plaintiffs claim the defendants are among the “five largest emitters of carbon dioxide in the United States” and that their emissions cause serious harm to health and natural resources.

A spokesperson for defendant American Electric Power Co., Pat Hemlepp, said that the decision is under internal review and that the company has not yet talked with outside counsel or the other defendants.

“In our view, litigation is not the best avenue to address climate concerns. It’s a public policy issue that is best addressed through legislation. Congress is taking that step now. The U.S. House of Representatives has passed climate legislation and the Senate is preparing similar action. AEP supports the legislation,” Hemlepp said via email.

The Southern District judge that previously dismissed the lawsuits ruled that such a nuisance action was non-justiciable under the political questions doctrine. The political question doctrine, as the Court notes it its opinion, is designed to prevent one branch of government from making a decision best left to another branch. In this case the issue is whether Congress and the President should set domestic and international environmental standards, such as regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, before a court rules whether or not those emissions constitute a public nuisance.

2nd Cir: Nowhere in their complaints do Plaintiffs ask the court to fashion a comprehensive and far-reaching solution to global climate change, a task that arguably falls within the purview of the political branches. Instead, they seek to limit emissions from six domestic coal-fired electricity plants on the ground that such emissions constitute a public nuisance that they allege has caused, is causing, and will continue to cause them injury.

A two judge panel issued the 139-page opinion on Monday; both judges were Republican appointees. Justice Sonya Sotomayor was on the panel that heard oral arguments but was confirmed to the Supreme Court before the case was decided.

The decision is extremely encouraging for the plaintiffs in another environmental suit, Native Village of Kivalina v. Exxon. That case, filed in the Northern District of California, is also based in part on common law nuisance claims. “The 2nd Circuit has now emphatically rejected the defendants’ main arguments for dismissing the Kivalina lawsuit,” Drew Hansen, a partner at Susman Godfrey and one of the attorneys representing the Kivalina plaintiffs, said in a phone call today. The judge in Kivalina is currently considering the defendants’ motions to dismiss.

Berkeley and UCLA’s law and policy blog, Legal Planet, provides analysis and expert opinion on the AEP holding.

http://www.businessinsider.com/2nd-circuit-reinstates-controversial-environmental-lawsuits-2009-9

The court said that even though the plaintiffs cannot show that their requested relief (emissions controls) would in any way amelioriate the alleged nuisance (global warming) or show they were specifically harmed by the alleged nuisance, they can sue power plants for their contribution to global warming.

It’s a fair question whether the judiciary would permit elected officials to legislate this out of existence.

Chris_Balsz on October 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM

For those of you (and there appears to be many) interested in coal/energy issues, the most informative well researched articles I’ve found on this are by “tony from oz” over on PAPundits.

His work is both exaustive and readable, it is a tour de force.

Archimedes on October 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM

No oil.

No coal.

Jets powered by wind and solar.

Windmills on every property.

If this doesn’t prove that this SOB is bent on ruining this country, nothing will.

drjohn on October 26, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Chris_Balsz on October 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM

thats interesting stuff…

So, someone who can’t even proove somthing is happening, let alone proove that it damages them gets standing…

But a US citizen questioning Obamas dual citizen status to be President, does NOT have standing to sue… because they can’t proove damages…

Yeah… that makea a LOT of sense…

Romeo13 on October 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM

I bet Obama grants China rights to dig coal in the US.

drjohn on October 26, 2009 at 3:26 PM

There are closer to 70 coal permits being hung up for further review due to environmental concerns. The problem is that the EPA isn’t saying anything specific, so the companies have no idea what they need to do. I think the one post about the Chicago Way is spot on, when you want money from someone vulnerable, it is best to show your power first and then make demands.

At least here in WV we voted sensibly.

Rambotito on October 26, 2009 at 4:01 PM

At least research a little and think about how much of what you have now you can power with solar panels/deep cycle batteries and wind generators.

Not much.

This “green energy” stuff is BS and is a ploy for worldwide wealth redistribution/Communism.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 26, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Democrats….the biggest threat this facing this country today. Not Al-queda, or Iran, or the Taliban….Democrats. They’ll likely accomplish what no other nation ever could: the destruction of America.

xblade on October 26, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Do these jerks realize how many people all over the country will be affected by way of jobs and cost of electricity?…. Never mind, of course they know, they just don’t care. It is a little funny that proportionally their own base will be most affected.

whbates on October 26, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Nows a good time to remind everyone what the hacks at the United Mine Workers said about Obama last year:

So I ask you: Which candidate for president really is out to kill the coal industry? All you have to do is look at their records and the answer is clear. Barack Obama has consistently supported coal and coal miners, and John McCain has consistently worked to cut back – if not completely eliminate – the use of coal in America. That’s the truth about which candidate is for you and which is against you. I urge you to keep that in mind when you vote on Nov. 4.

Eat it.

DJ Rick on October 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Eat it.

DJ Rick on October 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Along with a Kool-Aid chaser!

chickasaw42 on October 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

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