Video: The divorce ban initiative in California
posted at 6:42 pm on October 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Morgen and John at Verum Serum have the backstory details on this, so be sure to read it all there, but let me boil it down for you. Some of the people who resent the hell out of the majority of voters in California who voted to keep the traditional definition of marriage have launched their own new initiative to protect marriage … by banning all divorces. It takes a special kind of elitist to make the supporting web video, which intends to insult mainstream Californians who passed Proposition 8 by a 52%-48% margin in 2008, which presumes that the only people who supported the original initiative were ignorant rubes and religious fanatics.
Er, how many Democrats are there in California’s state legislature? In that same election, Barack Obama won 61% of the same vote, against just 37% for John McCain. Methinks that this effort says a lot more about its backers than Prop 8′s.
If they had an initiative to ban no-fault divorce, that might gain some traction. Otherwise, this will be a gigantic waste of time and money, neither of which California can afford, just to accomplish what Prop 8 critics could have succeeded in doing with the YouTube video, which is insult everyone’s intelligence.
They should have stuck to getting the state out of the marriage business altogether.
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Er, universities don’t teach logical fallacies anymore.
Not at all. Never. Not in any way, shape, or form.
That was Step 1 in the left-wing indoctrination take-over: declare “logic” (and “facts) to be a tool of the Straight White Patriarchy to oppress Teh Other.
After that, the rest was easy.
dicentra63 on October 24, 2009 at 8:38 PM
FIFY
Loxodonta on October 24, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Simpering snit alert. Couldn’t watch.
evergreen on October 24, 2009 at 8:39 PM
The gay community has slipped the shark a mickey finn and then jumped it.
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Or the Onion.
I’ll tell you where they can shove this initiative, but they’d probably enjoy it.
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 8:01 PM
HornetSting: Careful Stingette,ya damaged your stinger on
that ill fated landing a few days ago,hehe:)
canopfor on October 24, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Touché
Kataklysmic on October 24, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Simpering snit alert. Couldn’t watch.
evergreen on October 24, 2009 at 8:39 PM
evergreen: Thats picturesque,love to see a simpering snit
drama,hehe:)
canopfor on October 24, 2009 at 8:44 PM
:-o
I don’t focus on race, so it didn’t even occur to me.
Abby Adams on October 24, 2009 at 8:44 PM
I always carry a spare, Canopfor. :)
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Heh. Although I said it in jest, do keep in mind that the same mentality that kept people from (pretty much) divorcing at whim also had some rather ugly side effects. Yeah, wifey couldn’t hook up with some sleazeball lawyer and take half of everything (and almost surely the kids as well)…but she also couldn’t vote or own property or have any kind of career besides being a self-propelled incubator.
Dark-Star on October 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
And am I the only one that actually thinks it’s kind of funny?
Abby Adams on October 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Who are these morons?
Durham68 on October 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Who made this video? Tiresome and unfunny.
Mojave Mark on October 24, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I always carry a spare, Canopfor. :)
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
HornetSting: Thanks Sting,LOL,I’m picking pork-chops
pieces off zee monitor!:)
canopfor on October 24, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Mmmm. Pork!
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Take a close look at the staff of your local public schools – both K-12 and college. Same goes for supporters of Obumma’care’, the bailout, etc. This idiocy is not being implanted in people’s brains by space aliens.
My own alma mater was, for the most part, free of liberal nonsense and subscribers to same on the staff, but I’m see small hints of creeping darkness in my younger siblings’ schools. Nothing besides mildly annoying PC nonsense and buzzwords…yet.
Dark-Star on October 24, 2009 at 8:50 PM
have any kind of career besides being a self-propelled incubator.
Dark-Star on October 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Dark-Star: “Self-Propelled incubator”!
I’m kidding,but that sounds like a new
Bio-Weapon!!:)
DS,Been happily married for 25 years!:)
canopfor on October 24, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Certainly understandable. Unfortunately in our world, there are situations where “at-fault” would be a horrible injustice. Abandonment, mental abuse, and other types of abuse are all valid reasons for divorce. It’s not a good situation, but a fact of life in our sinful world. That makes this parody of justice even more twisted. Yet somehow those who hated Prop 8 would rather perpetrate this nonsense.
AZfederalist on October 24, 2009 at 8:56 PM
I laughed at this line:
“You said ’til death do us part…you’re not dead yet.”
aengus on October 24, 2009 at 8:56 PM
My attitude to this is: ‘put it on the ballot and vote on it’. I have always maintained that the rules of marriage law, in fact, all contract law is set by the people and not the courts. Let the people’s decision stand.
Dollayo on October 24, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Ahh..The SPI2000…cranks itself on a lunar cycle…
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Meatloaf:
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:00 PM
I wonder if the Lizard People feel left out!!
canopfor on October 24, 2009 at 9:00 PM
The video for us older folk.
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Meatloaf:
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Jeff2161: Paradise by the DashBoard Lights!!
Here ya go:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmPMMitJDYg
canopfor on October 24, 2009 at 9:05 PM
This gets people to support gay marriage? How does that work again?
Oh,
Step 1: Insult the people you need to support it
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Gay marriage legal.
- The Cat
P.S. Where’s Megan McCain with her NOH8 now?
MirCat on October 24, 2009 at 9:05 PM
I always laugh at people who claim the State should not be in the marriage business. They are not thinking clearly. If the State was not in the marriage business, where would atheists go to get married? Hmmmm….
Andy in Agoura Hills on October 24, 2009 at 9:06 PM
I like the version I posted at 9:02, it has the live video…She was hot too.
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Probably signing the petition…
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Where’s Ashton Kutcher? Oh wait . . .
Ingenue on October 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Each of us has the power to make our lives not centered on putting ourselves first and gratifying our every desire and avoiding every sacrifice.
This is not a government issue, but an issue of personal responsibility.
What can we do to change this?
Our culture is formed by each of us, by what we each choose to say and do, and not say and do, or by our indifference toward the impact our words and deeds, or the lack of them, have on others. And the more selfish and irresponsible each of us is, the more we are promoting a selfish and irresponsible culture and government. And, what is more important to our nation than the degree to which each of us as citizens is moral and ethical in our words and deeds?
This is not a government issue. This is an issue of personal responsibility. And where does one learn personal responsibility if not from one’s parents?
And thus, I return to the importance of marriage. A good marriage does not necessarily result in good children, but it’s so much better for children to learn responsibility, morals and ethical behavior from good parents who demonstrate it themselves than for children to learn this the hard way, from bad parents who demonstrate just the opposite.
Loxodonta on October 24, 2009 at 9:19 PM
You know…Meatloaf has a string of songs about marriage…
I’d do anything for love.
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:20 PM
… or they’d get divorced in Las Vegas.
I’m thinking it might well pass. After all, we’ll have the liberals rooting for it with their ads, and the conservatives certainly feel (from my personal experience as to the politics of participants) that divorce isn’t an option for dealing with marital discord, and the churches all are (supposedly) against divorce, so who’s going to run ads against this proposition? People who want to get out of a “so long as you both shall live” oral contract?
I don’t see anyone. It’s like one of those finger puzzles — once you put the fingers in, there’s no easy way to pull them out.
Sometimes, satirization is so close to reality that you cannot tell the satire from the reality. So it goes here.
unclesmrgol on October 24, 2009 at 9:23 PM
This is actually the first bit of honesty I’ve seen in talking about Biblical marriage. I understand this is mockery, but that doesn’t mean they are incorrect.
As I always say: Call it all a “civil union.” Toss “marriage” back to religious institutions. Problem solved. (I don’t care what the State calls my marriage.)
AbaddonsReign on October 24, 2009 at 9:24 PM
There’s always a Unitarian Universalist minister nearby — no belief in God is necessary to be a member of that church, as the church has no creed or dogma.
unclesmrgol on October 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM
It’s a twist/variation/ripoff from a line by Alanis Morrisette:
“You said you’d love me till the day you die
But you’re still alive.”
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM
It’s all coming back to me now.
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:29 PM
No, I actually laughed out loud at the “you can’t have spousal abuse without a spouse” statement. It’s like they are making fun of themselves.
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 9:36 PM
If this passes I can see a jump in the murder rates in California. heh. That line should be in some twisted comedy/horror flick.
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 9:37 PM
I like the version I posted at 9:02, it has the live video…She was hot too.
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Jeff2161: I like the studio versions,there clearer,but,ya
live is also excellent,I seen them on tv once,
and your right,she is hot:)
canopfor on October 24, 2009 at 9:39 PM
I see that as an endorsement of sorts for wife beating.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 9:41 PM
I think it was back in 1979, I saw the video on Don Kirshners Rock Concert.
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:42 PM
As long as you wear the right t-shirt it’s a cultural thing…/sarc
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:43 PM
CA is on the verge of becoming the first failed state. It’s nice to see the voters are concerned with serious business.
jhffmn on October 24, 2009 at 9:44 PM
See it how you want your opinion doesn’t affect me either way.
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM
I like this meatloaf intro too…” On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?”
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Amazing how the Left changes its value system as needed, isn’t it?
Date rape is bad unless the rapist makes movies some people like. Etc. and so forth.
This is just another example of Leftism skewing the Scripture they disregard. Divorce IS allowable in the Bible under certain circumstances, as I understand it. That gets me n Dutch with other Christians, but I can make a case for divorce. The Left, being absolutists (until they need to stop being that way for people like Polanski) will never understand the God who created us all.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 9:47 PM
After watching that video, I gotta say it would be rolling on the floor gut clenching laugh out loud funny if it actually passed because people didnt get past the ‘save marriage’ tagline…
B3 on October 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Currently my t-shirt says “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson”. I guess that’s a cultural thing these days too.
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 9:48 PM
I don’t care what the State calls my marriage.
Legalized prostitution without the sex?
MSimon on October 24, 2009 at 9:50 PM
It’s allowable if the spouse commited adultery. Actually it’s allowable for any offense (though it is considered a sin unless adultery was invovled but, you can be forigiven). It’s just that you can’t get married to another person unless it was your spouse that commited the adultery.
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 9:52 PM
If I lived out there,
I would vote yes on this thing,
Just to frost their mugs…
Haiku Guy on October 24, 2009 at 9:52 PM
If it did pass would homosexuals still want the right to get married?
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 9:52 PM
More like, radical thought!
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Exactly! lol
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I was basically backing your view as I read it. I don’t favor beating women, either. As I read/heard the statement from the video, it seemed almost an endorsement by the Left of spousal abuse.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Ohhhhh okay. LOL my bad.
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 9:55 PM
You’re right, which makes me thankful the woman who led me to the Lord initiated our divorce.
But, as a matter of debate, might you consider that abuse is also grounds for divorce? I wonder if God doesn’t allow an abused spouse to escape such a horrible thing.
Not saying you’re wrong, please know. I’m just asking a question of another who seems, from what I read, is another Believer.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Just call ACORN, I’m sure they will register us to vote absentee.
Jeff2161 on October 24, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 9:57 PM
I have no problem with someone getting divorced becuase of abuse. It’s just that neither party can scripturally be married again unless they re-marry one another. See Matthew 19.
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Or just cast votes in our name, most quickly after we die. The dead always vote Democrat.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:01 PM
The dead vote that way because they want us to see what hell is like in hopes that we repent. heh
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Ah, but according to Deut. 24, a spouse who remarries can never again marry the first one, for the one who remarried would defile the first spouse on remarriage.
I also have other Scripture to further debate but, it’s best not to alter the thread. I just asked where you stand, for point of getting to know you.
Thanks so much! My pleasure to meet!
Regards,
Liam
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Don’t mind gays but not a big fan of the radical gay agenda.
jukin on October 24, 2009 at 10:05 PM
LOL
Superb point!
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Good to meet you as well. So, you know, as a Christian I live by the New Testament law and not the Old. For the Old Law was fullfilled when Christ died on the cross.
boomer on October 24, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Thank you!
I take the Bible as a whole, and try living my life among all those pages of wisdom. Because Jesus said He didn’t come to abolish the Law, I have to consider in my own mind, and for myself, the Hebrew Scriptures remain in force. God said in His Bible that all things will pass away but His Word never will. For me, I see the OT as still in full effect, changed now in certain places (like animal sacrifices) after the First Advent.
Just my view, of course.
Back to topic: Amazing, isn’t it, how Leftists try turning something they ceaselessly mock try using it to justify themselves?
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Even though my ex is lesbian, I’m not sure I can support ssm for her and her dear partner.
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:15 PM
I think you’re all a bunch of right wing extremist, homophobic, gun clinging, bible thumping haters!
/
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Plus, if you’re going to allow gay marriage, then you’ll have to allow gay marriage for illegal Mexican migrants and MtoF/FtoMers. Actually, I think the later is recognized.
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:17 PM
There you are. I almost got you confused with Terry, but then I saw the /
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Two wrongs don’t make a marriage, Meat. BTW, how long does a lesbian couple have to be together before they decide to ‘tie the knot’?
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 10:18 PM
I’m not sure if the ex has ever played that game… Oh, you mean marriage? Well, I’m not sure if they want something so mainstream. They are planning a spiritual bonding ceremony this winter.
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Are they using Crazy Glue or Gorilla Glue?
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 10:21 PM
The only way they could use Gorilla Glue was if I were involved. Probably the environmentally friendly Crazy Glue ;)
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:22 PM
There was a study done a few years ago by a lesbian sociologist, who concluded gay marriage was a bad idea.
I can’t offer a webpage because I never saved the location, but the paper was an interesting read. I can’t recall her name, either.
She basically asserted that divorce is truly bad idea. Ease of divorce causes serious social problems, like the spouse who earns less is forced into disadvantage that takes years to recover. According to the dissertation, adding gay marriage to the mix will further damage society as a whole.
For further evidence, she cited that gays tend to be very promiscuous, most among gay men. That raises risk of social disease and other societal problems.
Sorry I can’t give documentation here, but if I never read the piece I wouldn’t state what I just did.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:23 PM
@HornetSting
Anyway, my ex and her partner have said that marriage is too mainstream for them. I’m not surprised they said that *LOL
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Here’s some moral guidance for you, Ed:
I wouldn’t put the two in the same sentence… but you might want to sign up for that “rescuemarriage.org” mailing list.
;)
mankai on October 24, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Seems both our ex’s are nuts. LOL
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:30 PM
The way I’ve always
looked at it is that
marriage is between a man and woman
Hey, I may be divorced, but that doesn’t mean CA should do this.
At least that’s my opinion. *LOL
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Yours also went to the dutch side?
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Gays stop the the Stra8 hate!
Kjeil on October 24, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Not to disparage her, but mine went from me to a coke head half her age who beat her and almost broke her leg by slamming it in the door of their car. Neighbors called police several times for the violence of their fights (my adult children have told me dribs and drabs). Not to claim I was perfect, and I’m responsible in whatever measure my ex feels is right for her divorcing me.
In the end, I wish she married someone better than me instead of with whom she made vows.
To me, it’s insane to go from someone you don’t like to someone less than that. In a way, I like taking that as a left-handed compliment. Maybe that’s my pride, but I’m not the one who went down a lower road.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:37 PM
States can do whatever they want to do with marriage. I believe, however, that marriage laws (and divorce laws) will profoundly affect life in that state.
The problem with many divorces (and divorce laws) is that people are asking the state to undo their horrifying lack of discernment in the selection of a marriage partner. It will never be without consequence, physically, mentally or emotionally.
mankai on October 24, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Sounds like your situation is really bad, err, well the situation of your ex. At least your children are older and hopefully won’t be in danger.
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:40 PM
It’s not lack of discernment always. Sometimes people just stop working on their marriage.
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:41 PM
First, I don’t get it.
Second, the people who made this pathetic turn-off are such bitter Klingons that whatever sympathy I had for their cause is gone.
miles on October 24, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Our children were adults when she moved out that final time. It was best, really, because things became unrecoverable no matter how much I tried. I guess my ex tried, too. If she did (which I don’t believe but that’s my view alone), I didn’t see it.
It’s awful for me to say, but, divorce is the best thing she ever did for me.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:47 PM
2010 BAY-BEEE! The movie says so!
eclark1849 on October 24, 2009 at 10:49 PM
That’s not awful. That may very likely be the truth. You now have an opportunity to grow and move on. Best of luck to you.
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:50 PM
From,IownTheWorld,
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=8470
canopfor on October 24, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Divorce is always the man’s fault.
hottieinthehouse on October 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Truly bee-utiful.
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Oh, I’ve heard about you… You’re that MtoF, right?
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Thanks!
I did move on; the divorce was years ago.
I learned, for myself, peace of mind is greater than love.
I just hope no one ever goes through what I did; I wish all marriages be happy. Still, banning divorce is a bad thing. Sometimes it needs to be done.
Between you and me, I still love my ex and always will. I refuse to speak to her, and we’ll never again be together on this Earth. We talked a year-or-so ago, and I apologized which she accepted. I got no apologies back, which is okay.
Things are what they are. Still, I love her and always will.
Peace of mind is the greatest feeling of all, even when the one a man loves never loved him back.
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Except when the wife’s a slut.
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Yes, because he married the WRONG woman!
Liam on October 24, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Except when the wife’s a slut.
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Personal knowledge?
hottieinthehouse on October 24, 2009 at 10:59 PM
A hot slut? Naww… not this “hottie”
MeatHeadinCA on October 24, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Yeah, I’m a slut. For some reason, my husband likes that about me.
HornetSting on October 24, 2009 at 11:00 PM
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