Not quite understanding the word mandate

posted at 8:20 am on October 24, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

After writing several posts about the lack of constitutional authority of Congress to force Americans to buy health insurance or face fines and imprisonment, I assumed people understood the nature of the argument.  Kathy Kattenburg’s response to my post yesterday on the topic demonstrates that we need to make this a little more clear.  She links back to another blogger offering a strawman argument that appears to confuse Kathy:

I am particularly perplexed/annoyed by the conservative assumption that unless explicit text directly authorizes a legislative enactment, then Congress necessarily lacks the power to pass the law. This is a extraordinarily foolish and unsupportable view of the Constitution. The Constitution is written in general terms; only a few provisions define individual rights and governmental powers with precision. To make this point more concrete, I quote from a previous essay on the subject:

It is absolutely absurd to ask whether the constitution specifically or explicitly allows Congress to regulate or reform healthcare. The Constitution speaks broadly and ambiguously. Only a few provisions are specific and beyond dispute (like the age requirement for presidents and members of Congress).

The Constitution does not specifically or explicitly authorize the creation of the Air Force or Medicare, nor does it discuss the federal prosecution of crack cocaine possession. And the “Framers” certainly did not specifically contemplate airplanes, prescription drug and hospital plans for seniors, or crack cocaine because these things were not realities when they wrote the Constitution.

If conservatives only believe Congress can regulate things that are explicitly mentioned in the actual text of the Constitution, then they should essentially advocate the abolition of the federal government. At a minimum, they should seek the immediate repeal of laws banning partial-birth abortion and kidnapping; the Constitution does not mention children or abortion.

Also, as many students of high school and college civics classes know, Article I of the Constitution contains the “necessary and proper” clause, which endows Congress with unenumerated powers that are needed to carry out its expressly delegated powers. In the very first case interpreting this provision (McCulloch v. Maryland), the Supreme Court rejected the narrow interpretation offered by anti-federalists.

Well, our argument has never been that Congress cannot pass laws, or that Congress cannot pass laws without some absurdly specific mention in the Constitution.  Quite obviously, Congress has the power to pass laws to carry out its expressly assigned powers.  They’ve been doing that for over 200 years, and no one except anarchists challenge that legitimacy.

The argument here seems to be that since the Constitution doesn’t specifically grant authority to create an Air Force, we conservatives must consider it illegal.  While it’s true that the Constitution gives specific authority to maintain an army and a navy, the Air Force falls specifically within the purview of Article I, Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States[.]

The entirely silly idea that the Air Force is illegal under a strict constructionist concept is laughable on its face.  Of course an Air Force provides for the “common defence and general welfare of the Unites States,” as does the Coast Guard, Homeland Security, the FBI, the CIA, and so on.  The key is that the Constitution explicitly gives Congress that jurisdiction.

The question is whether forcing people to buy health insurance falls within that authority.  That is, after all, what an individual mandate means.  People who do not buy health insurance will get fined thousands of dollars, and could go to prison if they refuse to pay the fines.  Unfortunately, the example offered here as precedent is almost as absurd as the Air Force analogy above.  Medicare is a more controversial program for strict constructionists, but that’s actually beside the point.

I’ll allow for the sake of argument that the government has a several-decades-old precedent for establishing government delivery of medical care, but Medicare and Medicaid are entirely voluntary. No American citizen is forced to accept Medicare or Medicaid, as anyone arguing on behalf of the “47 million uninsured Americans” should know.  Several million of the uninsured are people with eligibility in one of these federal programs who have declined to enter them.

So I’ll ask again: What authority does Congress have to mandate that people buy a product?  What precedent do they have to threaten people with imprisonment if they don’t buy a product merely for existing, as opposed to a prerequisite for accessing public roads as with car insurance?  The reason why Pelosi, Leahy, and Hoyer refuse to answer those questions is because they don’t have an answer to them.

A few brave souls will argue that the “general welfare” clause means that Congress can mandate anything that they see as beneficial, but that misreads the word general – which meant the welfare of the nation as a whole, not a responsibility to make each individual citizen’s life choices for them.  The opposite reading would have made Congress a totalitarian monster, with the executive as its hatchetman, and the founders would have scoffed at such an interpretation.

The Constitution exists to limit the power of government and each branch, reserving most of the power to the states or to the people.  Claiming that Congress has the power to dictate that we must buy into health insurance by claiming that all that is possible must therefore be mandatory is arguing that Congress has a dictatorial, unlimited power over every aspect of our lives.

Update: Jazz Shaw has an excellent rebuttal to the McCulloch v Maryland and “necessary powers” arguments, too.

Update II: See what you can find by following the trackbacks?

And here is the logical fallacy.  The conservatives’ concern here is not that something unmentioned in the Constitution is being put in place; rather, the concern is that the freedom of Americans to choose not to participate is being infringed.  I happen to agree that Congress has the authority to create a health care reform design for the nation (though an argument can be fashioned that it is not interstate commerce, in that health insurance does not cross state lines).  I also happen to think it’s a bad idea to do so.  But that’s not the question.  It is, instead, can Congress mandate participation in that system?

The Constitution doesn’t discuss Medicare, but, having set up the system, Doctors and patients are each free to participate, or not.  Yes, that’s President Obama’s favorite medical center not participating in Medicare.  Such freedom of economic association would be eliminated by the mandate.  This is what the CNS News questioner was getting at, and Ms. Pelosi should have a coherent answer handy next time the topic comes up.  And it will.

Exactly.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

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Personally, should the Democrats be stupid enough to pass such a law, I DO NOT INTEND TO COMPLY.

If there is a question on the IRS 1040 to the affect:
1. Name of health insurance company
2. Policy number

I will reply: “Refuse to state per 5th Amendment”

Let Barry, Nancy and Harry suck on that.

GarandFan on October 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM

I will say it again. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison both wrote that the General Welfare clause was not to be used in this manner. Jefferson quite clearly said it was only for taxes.

Congress does not have the authority to create obamunistcare nor do they have the authority to require us to buy it.

If they’re smart they will let this bill die as it seems headed that way anyhow.

I read yesterday that a dem in the house has enough dem votes to help the gop block it if they don’t take abortion out.

dogsoldier on October 24, 2009 at 11:41 AM

The whole argument stems from the politician’s desire to avoid calling the mandated pay a “tax”. If they just flat-out said “we’ll tax you to cover the fiscal liability in the event you get hurt but do not have proper insurance” and then provide an exemption to that tax to people who can show coverage, then at least their argument would be honorable–and MAYBE even have Constitutional support. Of course, it would also fly in the face of the ridiculous promises we heard everywhere a scant 12 months ago, and therefore there can be no honesty.

You would think that at some point in time these people would literally choke on the rank absurdity of the words coming out of their mouths.

johnny alpha on October 24, 2009 at 11:46 AM

What about health issues that affect the general welfare of society? If there is an outbreak of some disease, can it be mandated that people get innoculated? Not getting innoculated would mean that the disease has inroads into society: the more uninnoculated people there are, the greater risk there will be (in general).

So, if I take those who are arguing from the general welfare clause correctly, this is an extreme example of why personal health would be an issue for the general welfare of society. The difference between this and less radical health issues is merely one of degree.

(I’m not arguing for this, I’m just trying to understand the position.)

JS on October 24, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The Constitution speaks broadly and ambiguously. Only a few provisions are specific and beyond dispute (like the age requirement for presidents and members of Congress).

Apparently this person never READ the Constitution. It is NOT written broadly… it is written specificly.

The Con is chock full of Congress shall… or Congress shall not… it is very CLEAR as long as you keep lawyers out of it.

But now, through a long series of Power Grabs, and silly Supreme Court interpretations… its now FAR from what the Founders intended.

Did you know, for instance, there is a Supreme Court ruling that a Wheat, grown by a farmer, which was to be fed to his OWN Chickens, is part of Interstate commerce, and thus under the far acts, could be destroyed by the Government without recompense, because he would then be growing to much Wheat?

Heck… Look at McCain Feingold… its specific that Congress shall make no law infringing on Freedom of Speech… yet somehow Mc / F, a Law, passed by Congrress which clearly infringes on Freedom of Speech, is Constitutional?

Heck, how long did it take for the Supremes to say the 2nd amendment meant the PEOPLE had a Right to guns…

The Constitution speaks CLEARLY on many many issues… but if somone WANTS to misread and reinterpret clear words… they seem to be able to.

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 11:49 AM

JS on October 24, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Simple, the General Welfare clause is TIED to the ability to tax…

IE, its what they can spend TAXES on… thats it…

It is NOT a clause which can be used to take away our Liberty.

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 11:50 AM

What Kathy and other liberals fail to grasp is that the constitution SPECIFICALLY states that those powers not granted to the federal government are reserved for the states and the people.

That means that everything not stated in regards to the federal government are to be decided by the states and the people. Abortion, kidnapping and other crimes not spelled out are the purview of the states. They only become a federal matter when state lines are crossed in the commission.

Liberals have played games with words and phrases from the constitution since the beginning of the union and will do so as long as they can. The current hysteria over FOX news and talk radio is them lashing out at being called to the carpet and shown for the liars and manipulators they are.

Unfortunately, too few people are truly paying attention.

Jvette on October 24, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Thanks to the Supreme Court, the fifth amendment does not apply to the IRS.

Guardians of the Constitution, my @$$.

JohnJ on October 24, 2009 at 11:54 AM

ManUFan on October 24, 2009 at 11:29 AM

I am. Expert medal with both an M-16 and a .45 earned in the USN. Not too shabby with other forms of destruction either.

DerKrieger on October 24, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Excellent post, Ed!

…this simple concept escapes most libs, including the president.
publiuspen on October 24, 2009 at 9:15 AM

The Precedent understands it all too well. To him, it enumerates only “negative rights” – things the government may not do to the individual – and it is sorely lacking in “positive rights” – things the government must or ought to do for the collective, er, individual. In other words, it’s the confrontation between a libertarian versus statist perspective of government.

ya2daup on October 24, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I think the Democrats are doing many Americans a favor. I haven’t heard so much talk about the Declaration, the Constitution, and the Founders since high school.

Buy yourself and other a pocket Constitution from the Heritage Foundation. Hand them out for Halloween or Christmas.

DerKrieger on October 24, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Okay. You are not going to like this but… doesn’t Social Security establish the precedent for this? As far as I can tell it is a absolute mandate to participate in SS. At least on the tax end of things.

I just wish they would consider some more simple and less controlling options.

If you are right about millions being eligible for medicaid and medicare but now opt out–shouldn’t that be the first mandate? That those eligible… unless they have other insurance be put on already existing programs? Then we should see who is left over and make a plan for them.

I just wish we had tried increasing competition by putting health insurance under the interstate commerce laws first. See if it does the trick…

If congress insists on messing with insurance I wish they would have a government program to help doctors pay malpractice insurance! That would surely bring costs down. I think they are going about this in a totally wrong direction.

Republicans should have faced these issues when they were in power. They always have a better plan when it comes to fiscal issues like this. But instead they were too busy getting pork for their districts.

petunia on October 24, 2009 at 12:01 PM

The Precedent understands it all too well. To him, it enumerates only “negative rights” – things the government may not do to the individual – and it is sorely lacking in “positive rights” – things the government must or ought to do for the collective, er, individual. In other words, it’s the confrontation between a libertarian versus statist perspective of government.

ya2daup on October 24, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Please… don’t use the leftist wordage…

People have Rights… Governments have Powers, or Limitations on Power…

Rights are given by the Almighty… the Creator, they are inalienable.

Goverments rule with the consent of the People… and their form and powers can be changed BY the People….

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:02 PM

The wisdom of the Founders. Your weapon against Liberal ignorance.

DerKrieger on October 24, 2009 at 12:03 PM

petunia on October 24, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Social Security is NOT an absolute mandate… there are professions, such as Teachers, who do not pay it.

Also, SS is a TAX, and the spending of said Taxes… and Congress had the power to Tax, and to spend those taxes for the “General Welfare”…

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM

ya2daup on October 24, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Evidence that The Precedent is in any sense a “constitutional scholar” is sorely lacking IMO, but that is at his bidding through his refusal to release his academic records and writings.

ya2daup on October 24, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Social Security is NOT an absolute mandate… there are professions, such as Teachers, who do not pay it.

Also, SS is a TAX, and the spending of said Taxes… and Congress had the power to Tax, and to spend those taxes for the “General Welfare”…

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM

So basically if they call it a tax it is constitutional?

Are you sure teachers don’t pay SS. Because I’m pretty sure they can collect SS when they retire. Do they collect but not contribute?

petunia on October 24, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Somehow teachers not paying SS makes it okay? So if teachers are excluded from the health insurance mandate it’ll be constitutional to you?

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 12:10 PM

“If conservatives only believe Congress can regulate things that are explicitly mentioned in the actual text of the Constitution, then they should essentially advocate the abolition of the federal government.

While I cannot see this as an end point being feasible or even rational, none-the-less it would be a useful bench mark from which to start. It most certainly would be a better starting point from which to work with, than trying to walk back from where we find ourselves now.

Jusayin!

Archimedes on October 24, 2009 at 12:16 PM

So basically if they call it a tax it is constitutional?

Are you sure teachers don’t pay SS. Because I’m pretty sure they can collect SS when they retire. Do they collect but not contribute?

petunia on October 24, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Hate to say it, but under the 16th, which was VERY broadly written, yep… Soc Sec as a Tax is Constitutional… and under the Genreal Welfare Clause, Congress can spend that money on giving it back.

Workable or sustainable? Thats a whole other question… but IMO the Constitution does make it Constitutional…

And NO, Teachers do not pay Social Secuirty taxes… or get benefits from the Program unless they have paid in through some other proffesion… just one of the many many special interest paybacks that the Government has done for many many years.

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:02 PM

My apologies for unintentionally employing leftist language in my post (okay, using “collective, er, individual” was intentional and intended to be ironic).

It is necessary for conservatives to reclaim the language used in discussions of politics and government. Many terms and their meanings have been seized and warped purposely by statists (e.g. the tax “rebate” “given” to us earlier this year in the “stimulus” bill). We need to call them out when they do so and make it clear that they redefined a term with the intention to mislead the audience.

ya2daup on October 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Somehow teachers not paying SS makes it okay? So if teachers are excluded from the health insurance mandate it’ll be constitutional to you?

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Not what I’m saying at all… but a Mandate affects all, and Soc Sec does not affect all.

Also, Soc Sec is a TAX program… it does not coerce you to BUY somthing…. so its a really bad example to use in this instance.

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

ya2daup on October 24, 2009 at 12:22 PM

No problem… its just one of my pet peeves in this whole debate…

When you equate a Government power… which can be limited by law, with a RIGHT, which cannot be limited by law… you give the ability to the Government to Limit Rights…

It makes Rights less… and Gov powers more…

In fact, much of the problem we have today stems from the idea that the Government CAN limit a Right, for the “common good”. Once that is done, even for a very good reason, the next time you want to limit that Right… its easier as you have precedent. We are now seeing the fruits of that decline…. as Speech becomes more Regulated (McCain Feingold), and we are not safe in our persons, or property (healthcare mandates).

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM

It seems that the mandate is also a tax — if you don’t buy health insurance, you are taxed. It is a tax on behavior (buying health insurance). In some sense, it is less offensive than SS for that reason, because for most people there is no way to avoid paying SS.

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM

These post on constitutionality by casual bloggers is pretty silly. Why not just ask a constitutional scholar?

Here is an example from volokh.com that addresses this:
http://volokh.com/posts/1253489281.shtml

Basically, it’s probably constitutional under current doctrine, though you may disagree with that doctrine.

But let’s stop the “where is it written” argument. Acknowledge that there is an answer (Commerce Clause), and begin debating that answer.

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Great thread! Too difficult to respond in any depth using the iPhone. I hope it’s still active later today after I’ve reduced my “go do” list by an item or two..

ya2daup on October 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I agree with you wholeheartedly that it is dangerous to conflate government powers with individual rights and that undoing such be difficult.

ya2daup on October 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

The Constitution is a covenent between the People, States, and the Federal Government, as to Rights, and Powers.

If you leave the Interpretation of said contract ONLY to one party of the contract… and that Party then CLEARLY disregards clearly written portions of the contract… is not that Contract broken?

You are now trusting the government to decide what power it has, even when its clearly written in that Contract (in things such as McCain Feingold), it does NOT have that power.

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:43 PM

So the mandate violates both Article I section 8 and the First Amendment which establishes the people’s right to freedom of association. Compelling people to associate with others by compelling them to buy healthcare might well be a grave infringement of that right.

eaglewingz08 on October 24, 2009 at 12:52 PM

From Through the Looking Glass

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – that’s all.”

agmartin on October 24, 2009 at 1:26 PM

The opposite reading would have made Congress a totalitarian monster, with the executive as its hatchetman

…And that being the case, providing for the general welfare of the nation would necessitate the elimination of Congress.

Catch 22.

FloatingRock on October 24, 2009 at 1:27 PM

The Constitution does not specifically or explicitly authorize the creation of the Air Force or Medicare, nor does it discuss the federal prosecution of crack cocaine possession.

The possession of crack cocaine is interstate commerce (usually international commerce, actually); yes, Medicare is highly unconstitutional; and yes, an amendment probably should have been passed for the Air Force, but it isn’t that big a deal if you just call it part of the army (as much as I’m sure they would hate that) for constitutional purposes.

Count to 10 on October 24, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM

So basically if they call it a tax it is constitutional?

petunia on October 24, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I caught part of something on the radio a few days ago that said that while FDR was telling the American people that SS was not a tax, his lawyers were at the Supreme Court arguing that it was a tax and therefor constitutional.

MB4 on October 24, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Of course an Air Force provides for the “common defence and general welfare of the Unites States,” as does the Coast Guard, Homeland Security, the FBI, the CIA, and so on.

That actually isn’t good enough — it needs to be part of the enumerated powers, not just satisfying “common defense and general welfare”.
(Also, what’s with the lack of spell checking?)

Count to 10 on October 24, 2009 at 1:35 PM

So basically if they call it a tax it is constitutional?

petunia on October 24, 2009 at 12:07 PM

You might be able to argue that it amounts to not being “uniform”, but that would also go for the various deductions and credits that are currently being handed out.

Count to 10 on October 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM

In some sense, it is less offensive than SS for that reason, because for most people there is no way to avoid paying SS.

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I think you can easily avoid paying ss by not working, but I think that everyone (with a job or not) will be required to buy insurance.

LASue on October 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I think you can easily avoid paying ss by not working, but I think that everyone (with a job or not) will be required to buy insurance.

LASue on October 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Funny part? There is a minimum Soc Sec payment… so even if you pay in ONE Dollar, you can draw from the system.

I know many retired teachers, my Mom included, who gets that minimum check…

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Funny part? There is a minimum Soc Sec payment… so even if you pay in ONE Dollar, you can draw from the system.

I know many retired teachers, my Mom included, who gets that minimum check…

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM

gotta fix this… you have to pay One Dollar for each of a certain amount of quarters to get the minimum… and many many teachers had summer jobs, where they paid in…

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 2:06 PM

You guys who keep saying that you will refuse to participate, there is no way they’ll let you abstain if you still expect to have a job and be someone else’s employee. No freaking way.

Starting a new job will be just like registering a car at the DMV – they’ll ask to see proof of your insurance and if you can’t show it they’ll force you to register in your employer’s plan or they’ll just add the fine/fee/premium to the amount they withhold from your paycheck every month. There will be no way around this if you expect to stay employed and this is why the IRS will be in charge, since it already has such limitless powers in this regard.

The whole point of payroll withholding is to make it harder for you to resist and to keep you as much in the dark as possible. Why in the world wouldn’t they just add on to that devious practice in this circumstance? They know it’s not popular and they don’t care, because they get your paycheck because you do and if you don’t like it, well go pound sand.

johnmackeygreene on October 24, 2009 at 2:29 PM

There’s a big fallacy in saying that no one is forced to participate in Medicare or Medicaid. Everyone is indeed forced to participate in it. I’ve never received a single dollar of benefit from either, yet, I cannot opt out of it. That’s why both of those programs are socialistic. They spread the misery of having to pay medical bills to everyone. I’m actually rather disappointed that you didn’t pick up on that, Ed. There’s nothing voluntary about Medicare/aid except whether or not you receive the benefits of it. You’re still going to pay for it either way.

Dopavash on October 24, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Kind of off topic. But does any Trek fan know what episode that facepalm was from?

Canadian Infidel on October 24, 2009 at 5:35 PM

I think you can easily avoid paying ss by not working, but I think that everyone (with a job or not) will be required to buy insurance.

LASue on October 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I am pretty sure that this is precisely not true. Isn’t it going to be a penalty added to your yearly taxes? I’m pretty sure that the language explicitly states that this will fall under the normal taxes that the IRS collects, and that it won’t have the authority to simply collect or jail you if you haven’t worked and don’t pay.

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 5:53 PM

It’s as if the Current Congress and Administration, forgot about the 3rd branch of our Government, the Judicial…except when Sotomayor was nominated. Sotomayor not hot on the 2nd Amendment go figure, and loves her some social justice. BUT when the Supreme Court could overturn this Legislation. The Current Congress is out to sea…Supreme Court – Constitutional…What is this Judicial Branch, you all speak of/Sarc.

These aren’t your parents pinkos.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2009 at 5:55 PM

I am particularly perplexed/annoyed by the conservative assumption that unless explicit text directly authorizes a legislative enactment, then Congress necessarily lacks the power to pass the law. This is a extraordinarily foolish and unsupportable view of the Constitution.

And the 10th Amendment just promises everyone a puppy… no, really.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

See? All about giving people free puppies, couldn’t possibly mean that “unless explicit text directly authorizes a legislative enactment, then Congress necessarily lacks the power to pass the law.”… right?

gekkobear on October 24, 2009 at 6:01 PM

It’s as if the Current Congress and Administration, forgot about the 3rd branch of our Government, the Judicial…except when Sotomayor was nominated. Sotomayor not hot on the 2nd Amendment go figure, and loves her some social justice. BUT when the Supreme Court could overturn this Legislation. The Current Congress is out to sea…Supreme Court – Constitutional…What is this Judicial Branch, you all speak of/Sarc.

These aren’t your parents pinkos.

Dr Evil on October 24, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Isn’t the reason Medicare and Social security haven’t been successfully challenged in the Supreme Courts because litigants have lacked standing? If there is an individual mandate which includes fines and/or imprisonment, then wouldn’t each American have standing to challenge its Constitutionality in Federal Court?

txmomof6 on October 24, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Courts = Court – oops

txmomof6 on October 24, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Of course an Air Force provides for the “common defence and general welfare of the Unites States,” as does the Coast Guard, Homeland Security, the FBI, the CIA, and so on.

That actually isn’t good enough — it needs to be part of the enumerated powers, not just satisfying “common defense and general welfare”.
(Also, what’s with the lack of spell checking?)

Count to 10 on October 24, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;–And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

In 1947 the Congress recognized the strategic needs of global warfare required that procurement, training and operations of an adequate air force should not be subverted by the organizational needs of either the Army or the Navy. Congress passed the National Defense Act of 1947 which reorganized the armed forces of the United States into a Defense Department, under a Secretary of Defense, with an Army, a Navy, and an Air Force.

This replaced the original system of a military divided between Army and Navy, relying on the Article I authority to draft regulations for an army and navy.

If you wish to be pedantic, and declare that the language of the constitution forbids the Congress to draft regulations for any armed forces beyond those labelled “Army” or “Navy”, we might go back to having an Army Air Corps, or rely on the Air National Guard to do the job.

In any event, a bureaucratic shuffle about HOW we keep the planes in the air has nothing to do with ordering every American to carry a proof of purchase coupon in their wallet.

If people insist that by tolerating an Air Force, I have sacrificed any complaint about abuse of power by the Congress, then I’ll take no mandates and no Air Force.

Chris_Balsz on October 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM

“the Constitution does not mention children or abortion.”

Wrong.

“…and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity…”

Noel on October 24, 2009 at 6:27 PM

What about health issues that affect the general welfare of society? If there is an outbreak of some disease, can it be mandated that people get innoculated? Not getting innoculated would mean that the disease has inroads into society: the more uninnoculated people there are, the greater risk there will be (in general).

So, if I take those who are arguing from the general welfare clause correctly, this is an extreme example of why personal health would be an issue for the general welfare of society. The difference between this and less radical health issues is merely one of degree.

(I’m not arguing for this, I’m just trying to understand the position.)

JS on October 24, 2009 at 11:49 AM

When I was six I had to have my mandated school shots. One of those was for Smallpox. We all had to have it across the nation to irraticate small pox. Same with polio. We were told that small pox only existed in the lab valuts and discontinued the vaccination. I have been curious why the russians still to this day require the vaccination, but then we have small pox still with us, and the same with polio.

All vacines have side effects, usually ones that are life changing disabilities or worse than the disease they were protected from. It is considered to be worth the risk that some will lose a life that they would have had or to suffer the disability that it caused. Case in point is the vacinations given to babies. The alarm went up whem parents connected the shots with the developement of Autisum. The pharmosuiticals have argured that they don’t cause them, but I am a teacher and I can tell you that the number of students with Autisium has sky rocketed in the past ten years and the number in any grade level continues to increase. It is not that they have been missed but are now being recognized. These kids clearly are not within the normal specturm of social norms. The common factor they all have is that they were normal before the shots and developed Austistic symptoms after the shots. When the government mandates immunizations they are doing so knowing that not everyone will not be harmed by them.

Franklyn on October 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM

An air force is merely an aerial army.

darwin on October 24, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Where’s ProudRino to rebut Ed here?

Great Job here Ed.

Nancy Pelosi isn’t a “serious” person.

HondaV65 on October 24, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Well, lets look at this a slightly different way.

Where in the constitution does it say that congress cannot pass a law to mandate contributions to the democratic party?

The amount of the tax assesed by the IRS will be in direct proportion to the amount you donate, as well as the amount you make.

We all know that the Democrats are only there for the general welfare of the people of the US, right?

Freddy on October 24, 2009 at 7:18 PM

“The end game of the left is the abortion and eugenic elimination of the “undesirables”, the euthanasia of the old and infirm, and the genocide of those who disagree. Its objective is the purity of socialist thought. And it is pure evil.”

- Andrew Thomas

darwin on October 24, 2009 at 7:32 PM

If they can mandate income taxes and SSI taxes, they can mandate this and the Supremes will probably go along with it, imo.

Sailfish on October 24, 2009 at 8:02 PM

If congress can pass laws that force you to buy something and punish you if you dont, then it can pass anything.

True_King on October 24, 2009 at 8:33 PM

I am not a const. Lawyer, and cannot express it in those terms, but I have read enough that I have come away believing that; the gov. cannot create a service ( their pay structure and mechanisms) and then declare that citizens must either pay a fee or fine them if they don’t and allow no recourse for service .

This is not the police dept. fire emergency services etc. those are singular services that exist to serve everyone equally despite status etc. , health care would not be provided on the same equitable basis due to needs of the particular individual. When you have a garbage fire, the trucks show up, when you have a hang nail one intern shows up, when you have a gallstone, that’s several times more involved etc. specialists etc. more so obviously than a fire truck for a garbage fire or a hangnail…..UNELSS he calls it a tax and they pass it as such, and just skip the mandate/penalty etc. but hes a gutless pol. More so than most and won’t dare.

imperator on October 24, 2009 at 8:44 PM

“I’ll allow for the sake of argument that the government has a several-decades-old precedent for establishing government delivery of medical care, but Medicare and Medicaid are entirely voluntary.”

They are voluntary to use, but not voluntary to pay for.

DavidM on October 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM

GarandFan on October 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM

I LOCVE your logic and may just do the same thing. Great idea!!

chai on October 24, 2009 at 9:10 PM

The Air Force argument is idiotic. That’s like saying the power to create an army didn’t give us the right to create tanks. Obviously the Founders assumed we’d keep up with the latest military technology, as they did themselves. Nobody screamed about the US Constitution when the Union forces put up balloons to spot the enemy. The Air Force used to be the US Army Air Corps fergoodnessake.

Versus mandatory government health care which infringes on your right to contract, due process (the penalties), reserve powers of the states, and… I could go on. Just the automatic penalties should be unconstitutional. Usually you have a right to trial, counsel, and so on. Tax evaders have all those rights, but we’re going to create an automatic medical penalty without any of the usual safeguards.

Beagle on October 24, 2009 at 9:10 PM

People who do not buy health insurance will get fined thousands of dollars, and could go to prison if they refuse to pay the fines.

I’d take prison. Free food and free healthcare. Fvck ‘em.

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 24, 2009 at 9:13 PM

they can mandate income taxes and SSI taxes, they can mandate this and the Supremes will probably go along with it, imo.

Sailfish on October 24, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Income taxes are not a mandate, they’re a Constitutional Amendment.

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 24, 2009 at 9:14 PM

I hope SCOTUS sees it your way, Ed. I would love to see them overrule all the precedents that have enabled the cancerous growth of the federal leviathan, but I doubt that they will. They and successive generations of Congress have made the Tenth Amendment pretty much a dead letter.Would you explain or give a citation for why providing for \”general Welfare of the United States\” wouldn\’t allow Congress to tax us to pay for universal health care? If they can tax us, what comfort is there in the fact that we don\’t have to accept the coverage? The point that we don\’t have to accept Medicare makes little difference when we DO have to pay into it. What is there to prevent Congress from raising our payroll taxes to pay for including everybody in Medicare? Or free college? Or universal food stamps and day care? Or giving animals standing to sue in court? Or whatever else progressives can imagine? Only politics. And if we defeat this monstrosity, expect an effort to get the Supreme Court to find that we all have a constitutional right to government funded health care.

flataffect on October 24, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Where in the Constitution does it say abortion is legal?

Where in the Constitution does it establish the Department of Education or of Energy?

Where in the Constitution does it say the Feds can subsidize certain crops or own banks or automobile manufacturers?

Answer: It doesn’t say any of these things. Yet they exist. Why? Because we, the people, have let our representative republic become a overbearing bureaucratic nightmare. I have no doubt, any individual mandate will be held Constitutional. Which basically means, our government is now our master.

RIP America

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 24, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Answer: It doesn’t say any of these things. Yet they exist. Why? Because we, the people, have let our representative republic become a overbearing bureaucratic nightmare.

Exactly. The enumerated powers argument has been chipped away for a hundred years, particularly during the New Deal and Great Society. The constant chipping has led to a breach.

Beagle on October 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM

this is IMo the equivalent of the British Poll Tax, that one for living, that Richard I (?) found was soo unpopular..it led to the Peasants Revolt of 1381

ginaswo on October 24, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Personally, should the Democrats be stupid enough to pass such a law, I DO NOT INTEND TO COMPLY.

If there is a question on the IRS 1040 to the affect:
1. Name of health insurance company
2. Policy number

I will reply: “Refuse to state per 5th Amendment”

Let Barry, Nancy and Harry suck on that.

GarandFan on October 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Good luck with that. Do you use the same logic to refuse to report earnings to the IRS each year? That’s not any different.

The fifth amendment cannot be used to evade taxes, sorry.

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 10:32 PM

We’re gonna need bigger prisons, cuz I’m NOT buying in…

docjohn52 on October 24, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Are you sure teachers don’t pay SS. Because I’m pretty sure they can collect SS when they retire. Do they collect but not contribute?

We don’t pay in and we don’t collect unless we’ve paid in at a different job–and even then our teacher’s retirement (which isn’t great) gets docked if we do. We can’t get two complete retirements as it stands right now.

Bob's Kid on October 24, 2009 at 11:30 PM

Once everyone is on a single-payer plan the government really will “bend the cost curve.”

First they tell you how much and what you can eat. Buying and drinking alcohol will be strictly regulated. Smoking is already nearly illegal, so it will be one of the first to go. They’re already trying to tax any drinks containing sugar. Remember the hamburger lawsuits? Now they’ll just force you to eat sprouts and dry toast if you want a heart operation to get down to the required weight. And of course the very young and very old might not be affordable in many cases.

This isn’t a fantastic dystopia. Most of it is happening in Europe.

Remember Winston Smith in Orwell’s 1984 exercising in front of the telescreen in his apartment? That should really bend the cost curve.

Beagle on October 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM

the founders would have scoffed at such an interpretation

Original intent? So passe for a ‘living (read judicial activist) document’.

AnotherOpinion on October 24, 2009 at 11:36 PM

I would have read through all the comments for my answer but it’s late and I need to sleep.

Ed argues that “No American citizen is forced to accept Medicare or Medicaid”. But, the way I see it, we all have to participate in it by paying for it in the withholding from our paychecks.

Am I wrong in my thinking?

nater1976 on October 24, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Talked to a Dutch guy today who moved to the US because his wife had a mysterious stroke at 50. The Dutch couldn’t diagnose it and put her on blood thinners and high blood pressure medicine, the standard regimen — which she didn’t need. She actually had low blood pressure. As in, they tried to kill her. They said they couldn’t do anything else for her, too confusing and expensive.

Being wealthy he ran to the US. The problem was diagnosed as a rare vascular condition. The US doctors got her off the meds, did something, and she’s recovered most of her function.

I wish I understood more of the details but the language barrier was impossible. His English is good, but I don’t know any Dutch, especially medical terms which aren’t cognates.

That’s our future, with no US to run to.

Beagle on October 24, 2009 at 11:42 PM

The fifth amendment cannot be used to evade taxes, sorry.

tneloms on October 24, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Not when they have the complicity of the majority of employers, no. All we need now is a chip that controls all of your paying for stuff (food, gas, etc) and a good crisis and we can starve the uncomliant into whatever we want. And it sounds like The Ronnin Edge is eager to give them an excuse. Those who disagree with the current state are already insane criminals.

AnotherOpinion on October 24, 2009 at 11:45 PM

If it was really a good idea, they wouldn’t have to threaten to put you in jail if you didn’t play along.

Wouldn’t it be nice if the left would go off and build something by themselves instead of just stealing everything from productive people to implement their idiot schemes?

Merovign on October 25, 2009 at 1:01 AM

I don’t know if this came up already or not since I only skimmed the comments, but I think one of the things that makes the Air Force argument moot is that the Air Force was originally part of the Army.

CrankyTRex on October 25, 2009 at 1:29 AM

Ahhh I see it has indeed been brought up. That’s what I get for being late to the party.

CrankyTRex on October 25, 2009 at 1:40 AM

Income taxes are not a mandate, they’re a Constitutional Amendment.

Andy in Agoura Hills on October 24, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Point taken but I see you actually agree with my larger point a few posts down.

Sailfish on October 25, 2009 at 1:56 AM

Not when they have the complicity of the majority of employers, no.
AnotherOpinion on October 24, 2009 at 11:45 PM

An answer to this has already been developed by the citizenry. Have you ever noticed that most people in Hawaii are “independent contractors”? This is because there is mandatory employer-provided health insurance for all employees in Hawaii, and an employer has to continue providing the insurance…even if the employee has been terminated…until another employer hires him (kind of a Super-COBRA, worse-than-a-bad-marriage-with-no-divorce-allowed kind of thing).

This situation has all but wiped out “employment” in Hawaii. If congress passes this “Health Care” abomination, the same thing will happen all across the US, but with everyone actually working in a new “underground economy” in order to cut the IRS out of the loop.

But it probably will never come to this because this big of an over-reach would spark a citizen revolt and/or a second Civil War.

landlines on October 25, 2009 at 2:31 AM

…”The reason I won’t come out and say that I recognize no limits to the federal government’s power is because I don’t hold that view… I certainly hope that in the future you will attempt to get angry about what I’ve said and not about what I haven’t said” Re: kathykattenburg comment to Dr J:

The above post was made in response to the “Kathy Kattenburg” reply to a poster at her site who basically deconstructed her, and Nancy Pelosi. Kathy’s attempt to blow-off the poster Dr J by labeling him “ANGRY” reeks of the favorite(non-union) liberal tactic to silence their critics — apparently the self-identified “moderates” have embraced the “angry man” tactic as well.

My post overthere(see below) is apparently now in a holding pattern, or perhaps just locked-up overnite by the local Sheriff, as the post has not showed up on that forum as yet. So, I’ve re-posted it here, maybe Kathy will engage me? Engarde!

Well then Kathy, can you give us a hint as to where you think the Fed’s power ends? Surely requiring an individual to purchase a gov insurance product –> or else, is at least teetering on the edge of a very slippery slope, if not 1/2 way into the socialist inferno! Btw, Dr. J posts don’t come across as being “angry” at all…

As for Miss Pelosi’s, are you serious peformance viz the “constitution question”, she continues to telegraph her personal ignorance, and general disrespect for those who don’t fall into lock-step with her addle-minded pronouncements. Surely that type of statist/socialist arrogance will continue to evince hostile blowback, and an escalation of anti-Government feelings among the electorate. — On Watch

FYI, arrived here via a link posted by Ed Morrissey at HA – Kudos to some very informed posters here.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on October 25, 2009 at 5:45 AM

And NO, Teachers do not pay Social Secuirty taxes… or get benefits from the Program unless they have paid in through some other proffesion… just one of the many many special interest paybacks that the Government has done for many many years.

Romeo13 on October 24, 2009 at 12:21 PM

This retired teacher spent a lifetime in a career paying SS taxes. It was required in my state. This tax was imposed along with my paying into the retirement fund, to which the state and the local district were to make equal contributions.

Are you saying that there are states where it is not

onlineanalyst on October 25, 2009 at 7:29 AM

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States[.]

That “uniform” thingie is a problem.

If this bill does not include members of Congress, it is not uniform. If it does not include unions, it is not uniform. If certain states like Nevada and California are cut a break, it is not uniform.

drjohn on October 25, 2009 at 8:17 AM

Can a Republican Congress mandate that people buy Glenn Beck’s book for the “general welfare” of the people?

drjohn on October 25, 2009 at 8:18 AM

…Have you ever noticed that most people in Hawaii are “independent contractors”? This is because there is mandatory employer-provided health insurance for all employees in Hawaii, and an employer has to continue providing the insurance…even if the employee has been terminated…until another employer hires him (kind of a Super-COBRA, worse-than-a-bad-marriage-with-no-divorce-allowed kind of thing).

This situation has all but wiped out “employment” in Hawaii. If congress passes this “Health Care” abomination, the same thing will happen all across the US, but with everyone actually working in a new “underground economy” in order to cut the IRS out of the loop.

landlines on October 25, 2009 at 2:31 AM

*jaw hits floor*

Say what?!?!

Dark-Star on October 25, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Quite obviously, Congress has the power to pass laws to carry out its expressly assigned powers. They’ve been doing that for over 200 years….

Wow. That’s a lotta decades.

misslizzi on October 25, 2009 at 9:28 AM

“Mandate”, in this sense, means that this Congress shall force all states to comply with their healthcare legislation, and that not complying is a federal offense.
Congress is way outside it’s authority here; The states have the right, at present, to facilitate health care coverage providers whom operate nationally, and some internationally.
This Congress and administration is forcing its “mandate” onto the states to comply with its wishes or face economic sanctions; In a word, blackmail.
If Congress facilitates a “federal healthcare plan” that is optional to the states, in addition to their already existing health care providers, this would be within the federal governments Constitutional guidelines.
But, as anyone can see, this is not what Congress or the administration wants.

Cybergeezer on October 25, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Oh! a subject dear to my heart.

Ed has basically stated it in terms that align with my own. Not to be confused with copying his beliefs, the Constitution is quite specific in what congress is charged with.

It is required to maintain a military to protect its citizens from invasion. It is also required to promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare. While Congresses of the past focused on the word ‘welfare’. Using the term ‘welfare’ allows liberal social policy to institute programs such as Medicare, Social Security, focusing on taking care of the elderly, and food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc. for the younger generation.

While one set of programs focus on the elderly and expected to have a limited period that benefits will be paid out. The other have the same goals, but their pay out period is infinite.

I offer that the socialist have changed the key word in the constitution that alters what our government offers. The word that should remain the focus of our welfare is the governments requirement to “PROMOTE” vice “PROVIDE” the welfare.

Promoting the welfare is to create an environment that allows every citizen to create their own level of welfare, through their own sweat and effort. If I am fortunate enough to have some level of excess, I am able to share my wealth as I see fit not as the government mandates.

Providing the welfare creates a citizenry that is incapable of protecting itself, so that the requirement to defend U.S. becomes a burden on the bank used to keep handing out a persons way of life that the ability to defend ourselves from being taken over by another country seeking labor and mineral wealth to add to their own degraded infrastructure

We must demand that the government change their mindset from providing (giving) to promoting (back off and cheer U.S. forward).

MSGTAS on October 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM

……….there is mandatory employer-provided health insurance for all employees in Hawaii, and an employer has to continue providing the insurance…even if the employee has been terminated…until another employer hires him (kind of a Super-COBRA, worse-than-a-bad-marriage-with-no-divorce-allowed kind of thing)………..
landlines on October 25, 2009 at 2:31 AM

This is a perfect example of why this Democrat Congress cannot mandate all states to force healthcare; These islands, as other U.S. Possessions (Marianas, etc.), have indigenous peoples that maintain their tribal lifestyles to date. They now have federally mandated assistance for their entire lives. Born into these tribes, an individual has very few options.
What Congress and this administration is trying to force upon the continental U.S. is pretty much the same program these people are “entitled” with. Yet, Congress wants to make it a federal offense for non-compliance; Which means each state has no option but to comply; UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Cybergeezer on October 25, 2009 at 10:58 AM

The health care penalty is an excise tax. Even if you don’t believe that the Constitution allows the regulation of insurance (and related matters), then Congress still has the ability to “lay and collect taxes”, Ed. So, in your best situation, you’d still have to pay the excise tax for not having insurance.

Jimbo3 on October 25, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Good stuff Ed. I can only hope this gets some traction in the MSM. Keep speaking loud and clear!

JusDreamin on October 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Actually, in Texas, every time I have bought a car lately, whether for myself or helping friends and relatives (I love haggling with dealers), the dealer has always asked for proof of insurance from the ultimate buyer (for the current vehicle) before ever starting the paperwork for the new vehicle.

I’m not sure whether there is some exception that one could get from the state if you promised to show up with a trailer and never drive the car on the road, but rather clearly, the general practice is that they won’t let you take possession of the car – OWN the car – without insurance.

–There is no stated exception in Texas if you weren’t going to drive on public roads, although my understanding from another commenter here is that police won’t enforce some laws if you are on private property. Some states have exceptions written into their laws and others don’t. It’s not true in all cases that you don’t have to register your car if you’re only going to drive on private property.

Jimbo3 on October 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM


“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
and pay them out of their public treasury;
they may take into their own hands the education of children,
establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
they may assume the provision of the poor;
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
down to the most minute object of police,
would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power
of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America.”

—James Madison

Murf76 on October 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Looks to me that the following US Supreme Court case would say that the health care excise tax is constitutional, especially since the power to tax is not one limited to the states and especially because the health care tax is relatively moderate compared to a person’s overall income. Sorry for the long post.

SOUTH DAKOTA v. DOLE, 483 U.S. 203 (1987)

CHIEF JUSTICE REHNQUIST delivered the opinion of the Court.

Petitioner South Dakota permits persons 19 years of age or older to purchase beer containing up to 3.2% alcohol. In 1984 Congress enacted 23 U.S.C. 158, which directs the Secretary of Transportation to withhold a percentage of federal highway funds otherwise allocable from States “in which the purchase or public possession . . . of any alcoholic beverage by a person who is less than twenty-one years of age is lawful.” The State sued in United States District Court seeking a declaratory judgment that 158 violates the constitutional limitations on congressional exercise of the spending power and violates the Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution. The District Court rejected the State’s claims, and the Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit affirmed.

In this Court, the parties direct most of their efforts to defining the proper scope of the Twenty-first Amendment. Relying on our statement in California Retail Liquor Dealers Assn. v. Midcal Aluminum, Inc.(1980), that the “Twenty-first Amendment grants the States virtually complete control over whether to permit importation or sale of liquor and how to structure the liquor distribution system,” South Dakota asserts that the setting of minimum drinking ages is clearly within the “core powers” reserved to the States under 2 of the Amendment….Despite the extended treatment of the question by the parties, however, we need not decide in this case whether that Amendment would prohibit an attempt by Congress to legislate directly a national minimum drinking age. Here, Congress has acted indirectly under its spending power to encourage uniformity in the States’ drinking ages. As we explain below, we find this legislative effort within constitutional bounds even if Congress may not regulate drinking ages directly.

The Constitution empowers Congress to “lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States.” Art. I, 8, cl. 1. Incident to this power, Congress may attach conditions on the receipt of federal funds, and has repeatedly employed the power “to further broad policy objectives by conditioning receipt of federal moneys upon compliance by the recipient with federal statutory and administrative directives.” The breadth of this power was made clear in United States v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1, 66 (1936), where the Court, resolving a longstanding debate over the scope of the Spending Clause, determined that “the power of Congress to authorize expenditure of public moneys for public purposes is not limited by the direct grants of legislative power found in the Constitution.” Thus, objectives not thought to be within Article I’s “enumerated legislative fields,” may nevertheless be attained through the use of the spending power and the conditional grant of federal funds.

The spending power is of course not unlimited, but is instead subject to several general restrictions articulated in our cases. The first of these limitations is derived from the language of the Constitution itself: the exercise of the spending power must be in pursuit of “the general welfare.” Second, we have required that if Congress desires to condition the States’ receipt of federal funds, it “must do so unambiguously . . ., enabl[ing] the States to exercise their choice knowingly, cognizant of the consequences of their participation.” Third, our cases have suggested that conditions on federal grants might be illegitimate if they are unrelated “to the federal interest in particular national projects or programs.” Finally, we have noted that other constitutional provisions may provide an independent bar to the conditional grant of federal funds.

South Dakota does not seriously claim that 158 is inconsistent with any of the first three restrictions mentioned above. We can readily conclude that the provision is designed to serve the general welfare, especially in light of the fact that “the concept of welfare or the opposite is shaped by Congress . . . .” Congress found that the differing drinking ages in the States created particular incentives for young persons to combine their desire to drink with their ability to drive, and that this interstate problem required a national solution. The means it chose to address this dangerous situation were reasonably calculated to advance the general welfare. The conditions upon which States receive the funds, moreover, could not be more clearly stated by Congress. And the State itself, rather than challenging the germaneness of the condition to federal purposes, admits that it “has never contended that the congressional action was . . . unrelated to a national concern in the absence of the Twenty-first Amendment.” Indeed, the condition imposed by Congress is directly related to one of the main purposes for which highway funds are expended – safe interstate travel. This goal of the interstate highway system had been frustrated by varying drinking ages among the States. A Presidential commission appointed to study alcohol-related accidents and fatalities on the Nation’s highways concluded that the lack of uniformity in the States’ drinking ages created “an incentive to drink and drive” because “young persons commut[e] to border States where the drinking age is lower.” By enacting 158, Congress conditioned the receipt of federal funds in a way reasonably calculated to address this particular impediment to a purpose for which the funds are expended….

These cases establish that the “independent constitutional bar” limitation on the spending power is not, as petitioner suggests, a prohibition on the indirect achievement of objectives which Congress is not empowered to achieve directly. Instead, we think that the language in our earlier opinions stands for the unexceptionable proposition that the power may not be used to induce the States to engage in activities that would themselves be unconstitutional. Thus, for example, a grant of federal funds conditioned on invidiously discriminatory state action or the infliction of cruel and unusual punishment would be an illegitimate exercise of the Congress’ broad spending power. But no such claim can be or is made here. Were South Dakota to succumb to the blandishments offered by Congress and raise its drinking age to 21, the State’s action in so doing would not violate the constitutional rights of anyone.

Our decisions have recognized that in some circumstances the financial inducement offered by Congress might be so coercive as to pass the point at which “pressure turns into compulsion.” Here, however, Congress has directed only that a State desiring to establish a minimum drinking age lower than 21 lose a relatively small percentage of certain federal highway funds. Petitioner contends that the coercive nature of this program is evident from the degree of success it has achieved. We cannot conclude, however, that a conditional grant of federal money of this sort is unconstitutional simply by reason of its success in achieving the congressional objective.

When we consider, for a moment, that all South Dakota would lose if she adheres to her chosen course as to a suitable minimum drinking age is 5% of the funds otherwise obtainable under specified highway grant programs, the argument as to coercion is shown to be more rhetoric than fact.

Here Congress has offered relatively mild encouragement to the States to enact higher minimum drinking ages than they would otherwise choose. But the enactment of such laws remains the prerogative of the States not merely in theory but in fact. Even if Congress might lack the power to impose a national minimum drinking age directly, we conclude that encouragement to state action found in 158 is a valid use of the spending power. Accordingly, the judgment of the Court of Appeals is affirmed.

Jimbo3 on October 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Jimbo3 on October 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Nice work;
PLEASE BE ADVISED:
YOU HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO BE A SUBJECT WHICH FALLS WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE “GENERAL WELFARE STATUTE” AND SHALL BE VISITED BY THE FBI FOR FURTHER COMMENTS; THE IRS MAY TAKE FURTHER RECOURSE.
signed, Nancy Pelosi.
P.S. SOUTH DAKOTA v. DOLE, 483 U.S. 203 (1987) argued that underage drinking was the basis for withholding federal funds. So, with this argument, the Federal Government could withhold federal funds from the states for not living healthy lifestyles? Where are there any reliable, substantiated revenue figures which point out what the
cost is directly to the federal government for citizens (please note “citizens”) whom do not maintain their own health care coverage? And as an extra treat, please indicate what the direct cost is to the federal government for people whom do not live the required “healthy lifestyle”.
The crux of this power grab by Congress is that their assumed authority has outstepped the Constitutional constraints already, and this infringes unduly on the states rights.

Cybergeezer on October 25, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Jimbo3 on October 25, 2009 at 12:47 PM

The USSC says taxes should be for the purpose of raising revenue, not punitive, and not confiscatory. But they’ve also said it’s possible a 90% tax rate isn’t too much. So forget everything I just said but the last sentence.

And that case clearly shows you the death of reserve police power under the Tenth Amendment. I see no reason why the feds can’t scrap all state criminal law.

James Madison, quoted supra, was right on the money:

“…in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.”

Murf76 on October 25, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Beagle on October 25, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Health Care provides for the “ general welfare of the Unites States.” So I guess y’all can zip it now.

Constant Parrhesia on October 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Health Care provides for the “ general welfare of the Unites States.” So I guess y’all can zip it now.

Constant Parrhesia on October 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Except what they are proposing is not just a tax, but forcing you to buy somthing…

They can TAX for the General welfare… they can spend for the General Welfare, but forcing you to BUY somthing for the General Welfare is not in their power.

Romeo13 on October 25, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Beagle, what they said was a 5% rate was “perusuasion, not coersion”. It wasn’t a 95% tax rate.

So, since it appears tha the taxation and spend power are not limited, the best you can hope for is a US Supreme Court decision that says that the mandate is not Consitutional, but the exise tax is consititional.

So, what sort of victory is it when you can be forced to pay the tax, but not have the benefit of the coverage?

Jimbo3 on October 25, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Beagle, what they said was a 5% rate was “perusuasion, not coersion”. It wasn’t a 95% tax rate.

So, since it appears tha the taxation and spend power are not limited, the best you can hope for is a US Supreme Court decision that says that the mandate is not Consitutional, but the exise tax is consititional.

So, what sort of victory is it when you can be forced to pay the tax, but not have the benefit of the coverage?

Jimbo3 on October 25, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Even if its viewed as a tax..whats being taxed??
The mandatory SS/Medicare/Medicaid angle of taxes doesn’t really seem to apply. You are working for dollars which are taxed. The healthcare “tax” is levied for simply being alive. Where is the precedent for that?

Itchee Dryback on October 25, 2009 at 8:03 PM

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