Video: Dick Cheney rips Obama on the war
posted at 8:48 am on October 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Via Power Line, the full video to the speech that Allahpundit quoted last night — and it’s as good as it is long. George Bush may want to allow the spotlight to fade from Crawford, but after a short spell of silence, the former VP has returned to engagement on the war. Cheney blasts Obama’s “dithering” on the war in Afghanistan and his abrupt betrayals of allies in eastern Europe:
Here is one key passage, which explains why Cheney has re-emerged:
Recently, President Obama’s advisors have decided that it’s easier to blame the Bush Administration than support our troops. This weekend they leveled a charge that cannot go unanswered. The President’s chief of staff claimed that the Bush Administration hadn’t asked any tough questions about Afghanistan, and he complained that the Obama Administration had to start from scratch to put together a strategy.
In the fall of 2008, fully aware of the need to meet new challenges being posed by the Taliban, we dug into every aspect of Afghanistan policy, assembling a team that repeatedly went into the country, reviewing options and recommendations, and briefing President-elect Obama’s team. They asked us not to announce our findings publicly, and we agreed, giving them the benefit of our work and the benefit of the doubt. The new strategy they embraced in March, with a focus on counterinsurgency and an increase in the numbers of troops, bears a striking resemblance to the strategy we passed to them. They made a decision – a good one, I think – and sent a commander into the field to implement it.
Now they seem to be pulling back and blaming others for their failure to implement the strategy they embraced. It’s time for President Obama to do what it takes to win a war he has repeatedly and rightly called a war of necessity.
It’s worth recalling that we were engaged in Afghanistan in the 1980’s, supporting the Mujahadeen against the Soviets. That was a successful policy, but then we pretty much put Afghanistan out of our minds. While no one was watching, what followed was a civil war, the takeover by the Taliban, and the rise of bin Laden and al-Qaeda. All of that set in motion the events of 9/11. When we deployed forces eight years ago this month, it was to make sure Afghanistan would never again be a training ground for the killing of Americans. Saving untold thousands of lives is still the business at hand in this fight. And the success of our mission in Afghanistan is not only essential, it is entirely achievable with enough troops and enough political courage.
In other words, Cheney won’t sit quietly while Obama shifts blame for his own lack of decisiveness onto Bush and Cheney. The notion is risible anyway. Obama campaigned for two years on the promise to fight a more robust counterinsurgency strategy, in large part to dispel the notion that he was an anti-war pacifist. He reaffirmed that decision repeatedly this year, most recently by appointing Ge. Stanley McChrystal, the Army’s leading COIN expert, to command in Afghanistan. Now that McChrystal has requested the resources that comes with COIN, suddenly it’s all Bush’s fault.
Cheney also rips Obama on eastern Europe:
[A]mong my other concerns about the drift of events under the present administration, I consider the abandonment of missile defense in Eastern Europe to be a strategic blunder and a breach of good faith.
It is certainly not a model of diplomacy when the leaders of Poland and the Czech Republic are informed of such a decision at the last minute in midnight phone calls. It took a long time and lot of political courage in those countries to arrange for our interceptor system in Poland and the radar system in the Czech Republic. Our Polish and Czech friends are entitled to wonder how strategic plans and promises years in the making could be dissolved, just like that – with apparently little, if any, consultation. Seventy years to the day after the Soviets invaded Poland, it was an odd way to mark the occasion.
You hardly have to go back to 1939 to understand why these countries desire – and thought they had – a close and trusting relationship with the United States. Only last year, the Russian Army moved into Georgia, under the orders of a man who regards the collapse of the Soviet Union as the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century. Anybody who has spent much time in that part of the world knows what Vladimir Putin is up to. And those who try placating him, by conceding ground and accommodating his wishes, will get nothing in return but more trouble.
What did the Obama Administration get from Russia for its abandonment of Poland and the Czech Republic, and for its famous “Reset” button? Another deeply flawed election and continued Russian opposition to sanctioning Iran for its pursuit of nuclear weapons.
Now, of course, we call the above “smart power,” only that has to remain in quotes to capture the irony.
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It is plain to see that you are clueless to the max. Fortunately brave Americans stand ready to defend our nation in time of war. Would you like a little cheese with that whine?
kanda on October 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM
And we still await a fact or sequence of events that supports your naked assertions.
Akzed on October 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM
It’s trolling shift must start at 8:00.
Aviator on October 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Iraq is a failure? Is it that painful to admit your country (under Bush) has succeeded in Iraq? You whiny liberals are fun to watch. I can play that game too.
Every time Obama opens his mouth, he is blowing smoke to obscure his failures as a guy who can get things done, because he’s never accomplished a thing in his life.
The difference here is that I’m speaking the truth, you’re just a whiny, lying liberal.
Obama is an experiment. The Amercian people took a chance on a young unknown, because the rhetoric was intoxicasting. We were willing to look beyond his flimsy resume, because the potential for upside was so great. Hope! Change! Well now the bloom is off the rose, as Limbaugh likes to say. Obama can’t rally his party to enact a single piece of legislation that he desperately wants, he can’t make a decision on what to do in Afghanistan, he’s created an enemies list and went to war with a News organization because they report on things like his Czars and Tea Party’s, and he went to Denmark to sell the OC on letting Chicago host the event, and was subsequently booted in the first round.
He is living, breathing proof that to be an effective leader and POTUS, you have to have executive experience. There is no substitute, and you either have or you don’t. Obama’s presidency, thus far, validates that this office does not lend itself to on the job training.
Fish on October 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Though, in defense of the generals and presidents involved in those wars, we didn’t choose them, we didn’t enter them on false pretenses, we didn’t have a year to plan the wars, we didn’t have overwhelming technical advantages (rag-tag colonies versus world’s greatest empire) and we won them all faster than Iraq.
I don’t think the Army War College will be inviting Cheney to lecture on strategy anytime soon. Nor should we listen to him, either.
Bleeds Blue on October 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Blue on October 22, 2009 at 9:19 AM
How do you feel about what’s laughingly refrerred to as the “stimulus” package, that wasted billions of dollars to pay off Democrat donors?
Yeah I know, the Iraq war just freed millions of people who would have been better off under Saddam and his charming little sons Uday and Qusay and their rape rooms.
NoDonkey on October 22, 2009 at 9:36 AM
IT would be nice if Obama paid as much attention to Afghanistan as the Administration does to making sure it ahs rock bands booked once per week at the WH and getting the Olympics to their corrupticrat cronies in Chicagoland.
We digress.
WAAAAHHHH FOX NEWS IS SCARY WAAAAAH THEY’RE UNAMERICAN FOR DISAGREEING WITH OUR CRAPTASTIC LEGISLATIVE AGENDA WAAAAAHHH PROTESTERS ARE FASCIST NAZI RACISTS WAAAAHHHH
Who’s fearmongering, little one?
When did you become a seer of people’s souls? Is that anything like being a tarot card reader or a psychic?
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Dude, we lost our funding. Now I’m back forging swing-state voter registration cards at a quarter a pop. I do this on break.
Lets see. Someone lights a house on fire. Five years later they show up with a hose. Three years after that, with the house only half burned down instead of completely destroyed, he declares victory.
Bleeds Blue on October 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM
That’s right.
We should listen to Joe “Partition Iraq Into 3 Countries” Biden.
Pure strategical genius.
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM
More Cheney fear-mongering: NATO ministers say that a victory by the Taliban in Afghanistan will lead to terror attacks in the West. All Cheney acolytes, I’m sure.
Story: NATO in Afghanistan
We all know how those Europens are such rightwing fear mongerers when it comes to Islamic terrorism.
SteveMG on October 22, 2009 at 9:39 AM
How many were brought up (and are raising their kids) to understand that first you do your chores, then you can have your fun. First the things you have to do, then the things you want to do. It’s one of life’s most basic lessons. Why didn’t Obama learn that?
First is the music parties, the campaigning, the Olympic trip, the TV appearances, the visits to elementary schools. It’s all playtime for Obama. There is no work for this guy. And the people are the ones left to suffer.
He is such a poor example for young people.
caygeon on October 22, 2009 at 9:40 AM
So you’re putting down the accomplishments of the military?
Did you expect a cakewalk with a Hollywood ending and unicorns flying around frolicking in chocolate rivers?
Turn off the TV. It’s warped your brain. This is REALITY.
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Cheney wouldn’t be saying anything right now if the President and his underlings weren’t lying through their teeth every single freaking day about what they “inherited” from the Bush Administration. He’s not trying to pick fight, but he sure as hell isn’t going to take slander from these pigs.
rockmom on October 22, 2009 at 9:40 AM
You need to inform yourself better before opining on the nature of war.
Bing: Isandlwana, Martini-Henry rifle, world’s greatest empire, spear carrying natives.
Bing: Dresden, carpet bombing, Hiroshima, artillery bombardment of cities, no restrictive ROE.
Bishop on October 22, 2009 at 9:41 AM
I love Cheney, given the reaction of the wacko libs to his words, the TRUTH HURTS!!!
right4life on October 22, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Oh, but they all love America now that we have chosen President Hopenchange! They gave him the Nobel Peace Prize! Isn’t that all that matters? Who cares about a few lousy terrorists running around in Afghanistan?
rockmom on October 22, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Fear mongering? Like Democrats and: Health Care reform, (people are dying), Cap & Trade: (Polar Bears are drowning, no ice to stand on)(Only 50 days to save the world), Fairness Doctrine: (Evil rights blocking lefty radio) etc, etc..
Jeff from WI on October 22, 2009 at 9:43 AM
for those that complain about situations in Iraq & Afghanistan (the Dems), how will the current administration correct the errors, eliminate terrorism away from our country, & adequately support our troops?
rather than complain about Bush/Cheney,solve the problem.
kelley in virginia on October 22, 2009 at 9:43 AM
If Iraq were a failure, do you really think that Obama wouldn’t be moving heaven and earth to w/d in order to reinforce his FP cred and give himself and least one accomplishment badge on his POTUS uniform? Iraq is no disaster, and repeating it to yourself won’t make it true no matter how hard you try. Otherwise, Obama would seize it for political gain. He’s not so it’s not.
volnation on October 22, 2009 at 9:43 AM
You can always tell when Cheney hits the mark, because the trolls become just a little extra tenacious in trying to slime and lie about him and his accomplishments.
Remember those evil days of 5% unemployment that Cheney presided over for years?
Hard to believe with the current crop of flunkies we have in the WH now. Night and day.
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 9:44 AM
BB–The Dept. of Correctional Services called, and your to report for your pee test pronto…
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM
And that’s the genius of this. There is no way for Obama to refute it (or really even address it for that matter) without looking like a complete idiot. It should be pretty easy to clarify really, either they used the Bush recommendations or they didn’t. They’re screwed either way which is why the troll factor is so high here today.
volnation on October 22, 2009 at 9:47 AM
I didn’t, although that’s what Cheney and Rumsfeld promised us.
You’re right — that worked so well for us in Vietnam.
Bleeds Blue on October 22, 2009 at 9:48 AM
I think everyone agrees (or should agree) that leaving Afghanistan would be a victory for the Taliban. But the Bush administration was leading that war for seven years. It’s not as if things suddenly turned for the worse there on Jan. 20. Regardless of what you think of the Obama people, I’m not sure Dick Cheney is the great strategist he seems to think he is.
YYZ on October 22, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Del Dolemonte on October 22, 2009 at 9:49 AM
That’s probably true, but it doesn’t answer WashJeff’s question about any war running smoothly. The first Gulf went pretty well, but that was a straight up symmetrical war and we had vastly superior forces.
You may not be aware of this, but fewer people have died on average over the course of the Iraq War than died on an average day over the entire span of Saddam’s regime. That, combined with the fact that the world is now rid of one of the more tyrannical and violent bloodlines to come to power in modern history, could allow some to call Iraq a success no matter how difficult the path to this point was.
BadgerHawk on October 22, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Thread winner :)
beachgirlusa on October 22, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Cheney clearly illustrates the Obama is not the smartest guy in the room. Not only that but that Obama is a like bumbling a teenager playing grown up.
I hope Cheney keeps it up. People like Bleeds Blue are eventually going to tire of defending the indefensible.
ORconservative on October 22, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Quotes and links.
Get to it, or retract your bullsh*t statement like the fetid mound of horsesh*t that it is.
Let’s go. Let’s see these “promises.”
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Did you know that for every monument honoring a Republican, there needs to be a monument honoring a Democrat? The switch is currently set to “Republican” because of the FDR Memorial — done because the switch had been set to “Democrat” as a result of the Lincoln Memorial. However, in spite of this, the Dems are stonewalling the Reagan Memorial.
The Chaney Monument seems a good way out of this impass. The large shotgun would spear the air next to the Washington Monument, and the monumental inscription (“I’d rather go shooting with Dick than ride with Ted”) would probably satisfy the Democratic clamor for the next monument (The Obama Nation) as well.
unclesmrgol on October 22, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Uh, as I recall, the order to send those troops had already been issued by the previous CIC.
Del Dolemonte on October 22, 2009 at 9:55 AM
AP and Reuters already have stories out about this speech, plus Karl Rove confirms the Afghanistan policy stuff in the WSJ today. So the White House can’t sweep it away as more Fox non-news. They are going to have to answer it.
rockmom on October 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM
It’s almost unbelievable to me that this administration is stupid enough to put out these flat out lies, knowing how quickly and easily they will be refuted. I guess they figure it will just be Cheney, no one believes him and no one but Fox will report it, and Fox isn’t a real news organization, so who cares. I can’t believe anyone ever thought these people were smart.
mbs on October 22, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Yes, thank God Cheney has the INTEGRITY and the courae of his convictions to voice what hundreds of thousands of us believe. Obambi IS putting our soldiers at risk–they are fighting under a commander who is unable to make a decision, who is looking at polls and thinks being president is a popularity contest.
Obambi spent over 2 hrs with MSNBC TV personalities, but only 40 minutes with his commander in the field–and that was on a plane when Obambi “took time” to fly to another country to plead for the Olympic venue in the US. And that wasn’t a discussion–as it was Obambi dressing down his general for going rogue …
Integrity-for a man who thinks words matter–Obambi is a little short on the knowledge of the words that count. Thank you Cheney, for being our mouthpiece!!!
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Ohhhh…the war you failed to mention with the others as being prosecuted correctly and diligently, the war begun and escalated by demorat Presidents?
Wouldn’t Vietnam be a good example that wars, no matter how well planned and conceived, don’t often work out as originally planned? Sort of kills your meme that Iraq should have been a pushover considering all our advantages.
Bishop on October 22, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Dick Cheney is a war hero. Because of him and his pal the former male cheerleader Iraq will NEVER attack America again!
simplesimon on October 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM
LOL, what exactly were the “false pretenses” that we entered the Iraq War on, kid? After all, most of the Democrats signed off on them.
You’re not doing too well here this morning so far. Maybe you should go back to bed for a couple of hours and try again later?
Del Dolemonte on October 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM
I was on Cheney’s protective detail when he was SECDEF. He was and will always be a good and honorable man.
Undaunted on October 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Alas, these morons think Obama is solving the problem, by running around telling the world how evil America was until the day he was elected, by stabbing America’s allies in the back, and by buddying up with Chavez, Putin et al.
ProfessorMiao on October 22, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Bleeds Blue needs to get with his liberal friends and get their talking points straight.
According to democratic strategist and CNN Middle East analyst (has his own show too)Bush was a roaring success in Afghanistan:
What Failure in Afghanistan?
By Fareed Zakaria
Monday, October 12, 2009
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/11/AR2009101101552_pf.html
All that spinning and lying by liberals has got to make them sick to their stomachs.
Bush failed…Bush succeeded…..It’s Bush’s fault….It’s Cheney’s fault…..Obama’s the greatest President ever….Obama’s failed policies are Bush’s fault….”Yes we can”….”Oh..no we didn’t”….blah…blah….blah….blah.
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2009 at 10:01 AM
And most likely AQ.
This White House, or elements in it, are trying to convince us that a victory by the Taliban doesn’t necessarily mean that AQ will piggyback that victory and use Afghanistan as a staging ground for attacks. That the Taliban and AQ are (broadly) separate entities.
Cheney may or may not be a brilliant strategist but he isn’t promoting that line.
One can defend Obama’s deliberations but one cannot defend this AQ and Taliban aren’t allied line.
SteveMG on October 22, 2009 at 10:01 AM
That’s why they’re corn-holed on this one. If they try and refute it, then all they’ll get are more questions which will inevitably lead to the facts – which won’t paint Obama and his crew in a good light let’s say. I agree that this was a boneheaded move on their part, reaks of desperation and was totally unnecessary.
volnation on October 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM
look, all you who criticize Bush/Cheney: that is in the past. Your intelligent guy is in office now. what solutions does he have? how will he defeat terrorism?
kelley in virginia on October 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Cheney’s blowing smoke to obscure his failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bleeds Blue on October 22, 2009 at 8:51 AM
BUT BUT BUT FAUX NEWS PALIN CHENEY BUSH TEABAGGER FAUX NEWS ROGER AILES OIL HALLIBURTON EVIL RICH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY PALIN BUSH CHENEY NAZI NAZI!@!!!
There, kid. I just wrote your next 50 comments.
Now sit the f*ck down and shut the f*ck up.
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM
EXCELLENT
NJ Red on October 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM
I bet if we could ever get our hands on Obambi’s Master’s thesis–we would find out that he paid some student to write it…Obambi has never had to do anything in his life. His name was added to bills, when in the Illinois senate, to look like he had done some work. He would show up late to meetings, or not at all, and still took credit for bills passed.
Sooner or later, voting “present” has consequences.
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Ah, I see the child reinforcements have arrived.
We had technically been at war with Iraq since 1991. They had been attacking our planes regularly. When 2002 came along, most of the Democrats signed off on “Bush’s War”, and most of them haven’t apologized for those votes.
Your Democrat President in 1998 directly tied Iraq and al Qaeda together when he indicted bin Laden. 5 years later, a Federal Judge that same Democrat appointed even ruled in a lawsuit that Iraq did play a part in the 9/11 attacks.
Try again.
Del Dolemonte on October 22, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Undaunted on October 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM
You bring up another good point. The genius attack dogs in the WH apparently think that everyone is as corrupt and morally bankrupt as they are. It never has been and continues to be unwise to attack with lies and smears good people.
But what do I know? The WH is full of the smartest people in the room.
ORconservative on October 22, 2009 at 10:04 AM
I thought your side’s current meme was that it was all Bush’s fault. So how can Chaney be responsible if Bush is responsible?
Bambi can’t make up his mind which side of the aisle to satisfy, even though his handpicked General gave him the big hint a few weeks back.
This is far worse than the lack of “up-armored” humvees a few years back. As I remember, the Republicans acted far quicker on that one than Bambi is acting on the need for overwhelming odds in our favor to convert a pending defeat into a victory — a need he could easily grant.
Karzai has done what Bambi wants, so democracy (the latest thing Obama was supposedly waiting to have happen) is alive and well in Afghanistan. Time for Mr. Obama to belly up to the bar; so far he’s gotten by with the stuff his predecessors gave him.
unclesmrgol on October 22, 2009 at 10:04 AM
rockmom on October 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM
It will either be Bushs fault or something about
being too busy mopping. They won’t own up to
anything. Meanwhile, Rome burns…
elderberry on October 22, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Damn, that man is a REAL leader. All that alpha is giving me the vapors.
In contrast, obama’s little comment about Republicans ‘doing what they’re told’ looks more desperate and pathetic than he normally does. What a eunich.
Monica on October 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM
GACK! There is never anything I want to see when a sentance starts like that. He needs to SHUT THE &*%^% UP! He’s “my” senator and I want him to just go away!
zenscreamer on October 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM
How many American soldiers have died so far under obeyme’s “surrender monkey” watch?
REMEMBER HIS FAMOUS WORDS: WE ONLY HAVE ONE PRESIDENT AT A TIME – this is his “good” war – he owns it – he is solely liable and personally responsible for every death since 1/20/09.
Ris4victory on October 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM
I don’t think they will be wanting to hear from Barack “the surge will make things worse” Obama anytime soon either.
If Bush’s policies are such a failure, then why is Obama adopting so many of them.
You want failure.
Obama makes a big to do about his new strategy and new General (McCrystal) that he is implementing in March of 09.
Within months and before he has provided the resources to implement HIS OWN PLAN,he states that he needs to review the strategy and figure out what to do.
He had only talked to HIS own General one time by teleconference and one time in person for 25 minutes since he implemented HIS plan.(apparently to busy watching Stevie Wonder at the White House,playing Golf,doing fund raiser’s,and appearing on talk shows taking up to much of his time).
Apparently super smart Obama has just figured out the Afghanistan government is corrupt….something everyone who is paying attention has known since the get go.
Now according to super smart Obama’s White House, the Taliban are not a threat all of a sudden.
Now according to super smart Obama he can’t make a decision until the election is worked out.Sec. Gates,Democrat and Republican representatives,and our Soldiers on the ground know this has nothing to do with what McCrystal needs and wants to accomplish.
The success in Iraq was achieved before and during the process of instituting a stable government.(you know, the success of the surge that Obama/Biden said would make things worse).
EARTH TO OBAMA…defeating the enemy and securing the population is a major step in getting the government stabilized.
Bleeds blue can no more keep his talking points straight than he can defend Obama whose policies have produced nothing but failure and ineptness .
Even one of Obama’s chief cheerleaders knows the obvious:
Obama WH bought COIN without understanding the cost: WaPo
posted at 9:30 am on October 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/08/obama-wh-bought-coin-without-understanding-the-cost-wapo/#comment-2810309
So in effect, Obama and his advisors spent years and the first part of his Presidency totally oblivious to what it was going to take to fight and try to win this war while they went around accusing Bush of “ignoring” Afghanistan(with NATO and over 40,000 American troops there).
“Nobody had done the assessment of what it would take”
How incredibly ignorant do you have to be to go around bragging about how dam# smart you are and you have not even fully assessed the situation.
But according to super smart bleeds blue, this is all Bush’s fault.
Obama’s total lack of leadership and ignorance of what he campaigned on is “Bush’s fault”.
Typical pathetic liberal idiocy.
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Yes, and because of that I’m relieved. I’m also so very very happy that the war hero Bill Clinton and his pal the adulterer saved us from ever being attacked by Serbia again.
Bishop on October 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Cheney makes a good point about enhanced interrogation (or “torture” as some would call it): It yielded valuable information, and that was the point of it.
The thing about it is, the enhanced interrogation wasn’t against the will of the interrogated. They chose it. They wanted it. Every one of them could have avoided such treatment simply by giving a detailed and accurate account of everything they knew when they were asked in the first place. They decided that they would rather try to endure the interrogation techniques.
I wonder if Daniel Pearl was given the same choice?
mr.blacksheep on October 22, 2009 at 10:09 AM
I saw Rahm Emanuel with this drivel on Sunday. I love that Cheney slaps him upside his head. This Rahm thinks he is so clever…he’s an azzhat. And Cheney proves it.
NJ Red on October 22, 2009 at 10:10 AM
ObaMAO is a cheap fear-monger, pushing “must have now” legislation like porkulus, “health care” overhaul, and cap and tax, based on a phony agenda that the sky is falling unless Congress passes what he wants NOW !!
The authoritarian in the current WH sends his enforcers out to attack busineeses and corporations, banks, and medical professionals and uses the propaganda arm of an admiring media to impose his will.
onlineanalyst on October 22, 2009 at 10:14 AM
hey moron, we didn’t fight vietnam like WWII…we were too ‘moral’ ie cowardly to fight to win in vietnam.
total war = total victory. thats why nazi german and imperial japan were transformed….
right4life on October 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM
I am curious. Do you have a link?
In addition to the thousands of insurgents killed and civilians killed in the course of battle, uncounted Iraqis — organizer and politicians, teachers, bakers, journalists — were killed in the anarchy that followed the U.S. occupation. I don’t have the numbers, but I am willing to listen.
You remember, those pesky WMDs? That tight connection between Saddam and a-Q? All those other monsters under the bed?
But we’re “liberators” in Iraq, remember? Tough to play liberator when you’re carpet-bombing cities. Get your message straight.
Bleeds Blue on October 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM
you realize that iraq and afghanistan are not the same war, yes? and that one of the first things obama did as prez was to send 40,000 more troops to afghanistan?
sesquipedalian on October 22, 2009 at 9:29 AM
Hence, Cheney’s speech. This was what it was all about. They FOLLOWED their plan. Now they are acting like they were surprised. Pathetic.
NJ Red on October 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM
This is considered failure to super smart bleeds blue:
US Troops Enjoy Salsa & Yoga Classes in Iraq Thanks to Massive Success of Bush Surge
Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 5:47 AM
Jim Hoft
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/10/us-troops-enjoy-salsa-yoga-classes-in-iraq-thanks-to-massive-success-of-bush-surge/
The only failure going on right now is Obama’s attempt to cut and run in Afghanistan.
Of course Obama’s lack of leadership and ineptitude is Bush’s fault in liberal land:
Typical liberal drivel.
So everything that happened on Bush/Cheney’s watch was their fault.
But everything that happens on Obama’s watch is …..still Bush/Cheney’s fault.
How ignorant.
Liberals like bleeds blue are to stupid to realize that with this logic,9/11 is not Bush’s fault, it’s Clinton’s fault.
Clinton had 8 years to clean up the al-qeada mess where Osama declared war on us and attacked America repeatedly.
Clinton not only failed at addressing the problem but actually let Osama walk more than 8 times.
Clinton failed at solving the Saddam problem that was so serious that he made regime change National Policy.
All this Bush inherited.
All this is the fault of Bill Clinton according to bleeds blue.
You can’t have it both ways in the real world liberal.
If you are going to still blame Bush while Obama is President, you have to blame Clinton for the problems Bush inherited.
All we heard for 8 years is that the “buck stops at the Presidents desk” from liberals.
I guess this has an expiration date just like all of Obama’s promises.
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM
SMACK!
jollybird on October 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM
That’s what’s so scary about this stuff. Obama isn’t interested in victory, his only concern is the potential political hit that he’s bound to take when his decision finally comes down (whenever that’ll be). That’s why this whole dance about Afghan elections is a farce. Obama doesn’t want to accept the political consequences of doing the right thing, period.
I think that it’s instructive that Lurch is set to proclaim today that additional troops into Afghan would be a mistake. So, either Obama is setting the stage for no troops (unlikely) or he plans to split the difference and send 10-20k vs. the req’ed 40k. Which means that he may as well send none.
volnation on October 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM
The only way this speech could have been better is if Liz gave it.
LtE126 on October 22, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Works great for me–Cheney ate Obama for supper and spit him out like the noxious weasel that he is…words and all. Right now Obambi has the moral equivalency of a gutless worm, and a two-faced liar.
Say what you will, I do not believe that we got into Iraq based on a lie, the lies happened after, as those Dems who had expressed support, lost THEIR own integrity.
Don’t get started about integrity or moral authority, as we can slap each other all day with examples from either side…
You still cannot refute the fact that your emperor has not balls.
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 10:20 AM
you mean like this one??
link
right4life on October 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Dude, if you’re going back to that argument then you’ve derailed. It’s weak b/c we’re there, and we’ve won.
What cities did we “carpet bomb” ala Dresden? Just curious
volnation on October 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM
you don’t think we were liberators in nazi germany or japan???
moron.
right4life on October 22, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Damn–I’m glad I went back and read these comments! Excellent picture!!!
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 10:24 AM
What are you, 12 years old.
Try getting your head out of Micheal Moore’s but and educate yourself a little bit,you won’t come off as such a fool.
Besides the fact that your liberal heroes said the same thing about Saddam that Bush said,all investigations debunk your idiotic talking points:
The 2004 Senate intelligence report
Found that Bush did not lie or manipulate intelligence
The 9/11 commission
Found that Bush did not lie or manipulate intelligence
The Butler report
Found that Bush and Blair did not lie or manipulate intelligence
The 2008 Senate intelligence report (chaired by a majority of democrats)
Found that Bush did not lie or manipulate intelligence and also found that Saddam did have ties to al-qaeda.
These are facts,not idiotic huffington post talking points like you are regurgitating.
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2009 at 10:25 AM
The only thing blowing is you and the other libs blowing Obama.
Hey BB, you got something on your chin.
Old Hippie Vet on October 22, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Care to offer a counter opinion, or do you just sit and squat on ever thread that offends your liberal proclivities?
“Oh, well now I’m convinced you’re right. Stunning analysis. Well done.”
Asher on October 22, 2009 at 10:26 AM
++++1000
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Obama is bombing villages and killing civilians as we speak.
Get your faux moral outrage straight.
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Weren’t we still technically still at war with Iraq? Oh yea and AlQaeda was everywhere, even in the States but not Iraq(yea,right). T
jollybird on October 22, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Happy to be of service.
Under Saddam:
Rough napkin math – 110,000 death in about 2400 days of Iraq War = 46 death a day (I’m rounding everything towards higher death numbers).
Roughly 800,000 dead in roughly 8,660 days under Saddam = 92 deaths per day (everything rounded towards fewer deaths).
And that link argues that it still wasn’t worth it, so you don’t get to claim bias.
Additional source, plus another here.
BadgerHawk on October 22, 2009 at 10:33 AM
God bless you, Dick Cheney, and keep you safe. This is what the Republican Party should aspire to. Not the luke-warm, wormy elitism of the current GOP “leadership”.
SKYFOX on October 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM
What??? Iraq is half burned down?
Gee, Obama disagrees with you. He claims that security issues are great and that business and business investments are starting to thrive.
You obviously didn’t watch CNBC or read any news yesterday. You better catch up.
blink on October 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Dead on.
It’s not about what is right and what is wrong.
It’s about scoring political points and maintaining power with the Hustler and Chief.
Instead of leadership and strength..this is what we get from Obama:
Obama no Commander and Chief
Obama at the White House March 27th, 2009:
Now Obama says:
Barack Obama
2008 Presidential Campaigning
Obama Considers Strategy Shift in Afghan War
NY Times, Sept. 22, 2009
Karzai: Obama Promises To Fight Terror
Nov. 23, 2008
CBSNEWS
Obama on Face The Nation
Sept. 20, 2009
According to Obama, Eliminating the terrorist safe havens,training camps,and ability to launch attacks from Afghanistan and Pakistan is vital to America’s safety.
Obama on Afghanistan/Pakistan during the 2008 Presidential debates
Tough talk when he needed the votes.
Now the White House is telling people the Taliban are not dangerous anymore.
Now the White House wants to use the excuse “the government is corrupt”(so was Iraq’s,we succeeded there) as an excuse not to give the military what it needs.
Now Obama wants to wait and wait and wait because he has no idea what he is doing.
His own General has told him what he needs to work towards successful mission.
So why would Obama deny our military what it needs to win?
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM
MSNBC as links–how appropriate!! You still did not prove Cheny was lacking in integrity–Bush went into Iraq on a mandate from the UN, and with the support of a countless number of Democraps.
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 10:39 AM
“carpet bombing”
Can you imagine what we could do to some of thee countries if we didn’t care what anyone said?
We’re tame. That’s our problem.
LtE126 on October 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM
You spelled Obama wrong.
lorien1973 on October 22, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Hear, hear…
volnation on October 22, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Would like to add to your post if you don’t mind:
Iraq ministries: 203 people killed in Sept.
Friday, October 02, 2009 09:04 GMT
http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/print-news-1-38371.html
I believe we are losing more people in our liberal run cities like Chicago,LA,and New York than in Iraq.
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2009 at 10:44 AM
I think your deliberate blurring of policy stances and a theory of Constitutional power as a lack of integrity speaks against your understanding of the English language.
In what way does preferring Limbaugh to Powell, or Powell to Limbaugh, or Mary Tyler Moore to either, speak to “integrity”?
Chris_Balsz on October 22, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Heh!!!
This is my vote for winner.
Baxter Greene on October 22, 2009 at 10:44 AM
What is it with Cougar Man and Thursdays?
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Christien on October 22, 2009 at 10:46 AM
And that’s why Obama is bound to fail on the FP front. Our enemies aren’t scared of him and our allies don’t respect him. Both are the result of his obvious weakness. His problem (and ours) is that this show is just getting started and we have two more acts before the end (hopefully).
volnation on October 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM
LOL, you haven’t provided any.
Del Dolemonte on October 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM
So they were all just incompetent, not dishonest.
I don’t think the Iran-Iraq war dead “count” but, nonetheless, an interesting and persuasive post. Thanks.
Bleeds Blue on October 22, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Yes. Those people were more “free” under the jack-booted heel of The Butcher of Baghdad.
So much for the left’s respect for “human rights.”
What was a “false pretense” about WMDs? The Brits, the French, the Germans and the UN all thought he had them. The intel was bad. It wasn’t “a lie” unless the international community was lying as well, which they weren’t. Clinton launched missiles into an Iraqi baby milk factory in 1998 on the very same intel. Moron.
And the Democrats signed onto it, so they believed it as well. Did they “lie?” They had access to the intel, too.
Moron.
A lie would be something more like “I’m going to take public funding for my Presidential campaign,” or “I didn’t not have sexual relations with that woman.”
I know you can’t tell the difference. By all means, keep making an ass of yourself. You and FAILbama deserve each other.
Where was that cited? It is a known fact that Saddam Hussein supported Islamic terrorism. In 2002, less than a year after 9-11, the possibility that he’d tacitly support terrorists who wanted to attack the US and it’s allies was very real AT THE TIME. Abu Nidal. Carlos the Jackal. Google them.
Pwned again.
We had this argument. You libs lost it years ago. Deal with it and moveon.org.
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Great link, thanks.
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM
As much as I like Cheney and pretty much agree with his foreign policy stance, why is it that whenever this guy criticizes the Obama administration he can only talk about the war?
Does he not see how Obama is destroying the economy?
how Obama has has quadrupled the deficit with porkulus?
how he plans a massive government takeover of health care?
Where is Cheney ripping Obama on those issues?
DanSC on October 22, 2009 at 10:52 AM
By the way Bleedsblue, since you are going back in history here, what war anywhere did go without problems? By the way can you tell us what was Kerry’s plan for Iraq back in 2004? He never did tell us of his plan but only blamed current problems in 2004. No leftists yet has yet revealed of Kerry’s plan. Maybe this is why he lost in 04. Its great to see Cheney ask about why Obama deserted Poland and the Chec. Republic.
garydt on October 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM
So, is the War on Fox or the War on Cheney the “good” war of necessity?
Christien on October 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM
OK, let me demolish your lies one by one.
1. WMDs. Bush wasn’t the guy who claimed they were there. His Democrat predecessor did. And at the time of the Authorization vote, Mrs. Clinton said she didn’t base yer yes vote on what Bush told her about WMDs, but on what her husband’s intel people told her. Were they all lying too?
And we did find WMDs there, to boot. Saddam and his 2 sons. All dead now.
2. Read the Authorization for the Use of Force. WMDs is only one of almost 20 reasons we went in.
3. Bill Clinton’s Justice Dept. indicted bin Laden in 1998. Read the indictment-it specifically cites a working connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. And as I noted in my reply to your little brother simon, a Clinton-appointed Federal Judge even ruled in a lawsuit brought by 9/11 victims that Iraq played a role in the attacks. That’s a Clinton Judge saying that, not a Bush Judge saying that.
4. As for the other monsters under the bed, as I said the Authorization listed almost 20 of them,
Del Dolemonte on October 22, 2009 at 10:53 AM
To be clear: this post refers to an earlier post lamenting the fact that we were not free to carpet bomb or to nuke Iraq.
Bleeds Blue on October 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Don’t forget to blow the smoke off those guns…
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM
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