Rasmussen: 73 percent say GOP leaders have lost touch with Republican base

posted at 5:19 pm on October 22, 2009 by Allahpundit

I know what the first 50 comments below are going to say if I don’t say it here first, so here you go: Only 73 percent?

President Obama told an audience at a Democratic Party fundraiser Wednesday night that Republicans often “do what they’re told,” but GOP voters don’t think their legislators listen enough to them.

Just 15% of Republicans who plan to vote in 2012 state primaries say the party’s representatives in Congress have done a good job of representing Republican values.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 73% think Republicans in Congress have lost touch with GOP voters from throughout the nation. Twelve percent (12%) are undecided…

Republican women are nearly twice as likely as men to say their representatives in Congress have done a good job of representing GOP values.

That last part is probably explained by the fact that men tend to be more fiscally conservative than women at the polls.

This seems like the perfect place for a Hoffman vs. Scozzafava update, so if you haven’t already listened, check out DH’s new radio ad goofing on Team Dede for calling the cops on the Weekly Standard. I’m skeptical that most voters up there are following the race closely enough to get the reference but the grassroots conservatives who are tracking it hour-by-hour on the ‘Net should love it.

Meanwhile, courtesy of Laura Ingraham’s producer Tom Elliott, here’s Gingrich taking yet another stab at defending his decision to back the liberal Republican in NY-23. He’s got a blog post about it out today too, but for my money, the exchange starting at around 5:10 is the best he’s done thus far to make the case. In a nutshell, he doesn’t care about Scozzafava; what he cares about is the encouragement third-party conservatives will take from Hoffman’s run, which could prove disastrous next year if centrist Republican candidates in purple districts suddenly find themselves bleeding votes to right-wing independent challengers. Populists like Beck — and Sarahcuda, maybe? — will love the idea of fiscally conservative third-party insurgents making the GOP sweat, but if it produces a split vote among Republicans in a bunch of close midterm races, it could be the difference between the Democrats losing or keeping the House. I still think he’s wrong on balance since there’s no good reason for the local party bosses to have nominated a liberal in a reliably red district, but he’s right that this could have bad repercussions.

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Sooo..he for killing the party to save it. Why is it our dumbass fault that the went left when we kept saying go right?

jukin on October 22, 2009 at 5:53 PM

I think that is true with both parties, politicians in general.

Resolute: Ross Perot ran and split the party and what good did that do? There was no positive change, not really.

People need to get involved on the ground level and work their up from there to the top. Too often we try to effect change top down and it really does not work that way.

Just look at the folks in the local court house, some of them have probably had those county jobs for decades. I know here in this little place, the same folks keep trading jobs, they go from clerk to auditor to recorder and on and on..year in and year out. It is like a clique.

But another Rasmussen poll that was interesting, was the one that said Republicans are ahead of Democrats 5 points on generic balloting. And look at the Congressional approval rating, it sucks.

No, this is not just about Republicans, this is about the political class in general.

But there are always exceptions to the rule, guys like Mike Pence tend to redeem my faith in the possibility of honest representation. I hope he does not blow it and disillusion me even more.

Terrye on October 22, 2009 at 5:53 PM

The good news out of this is that we can finally get rid of that idiot bore Gingrich for once and for all.
What a two-faced big-government loving hack.

TexasJew on October 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Once a good man, Newt.

Now but just another Potomac crackhead.

TXUS on October 22, 2009 at 5:54 PM

terryannonline on October 22, 2009 at 5:40 PM

How was the decision not local? The decison to run Scozzafava was entirely local. The decision to endorse was entirely Newt’s. Newt does not endorse then there isn’t the slightest bit of controversy. Newt inserted himself between supporting conservatism and the GOP he choose the later. Which is what conservatives find objectionable. The preference to the GOP label over conservatism itself. IT reminds of Bush saying he had to violate free market principles to save the free market…

Theworldisnotenough on October 22, 2009 at 5:54 PM

If that’s what they (GOP) considers a moderate we are in more trouble then I imagined.
Cindy Munford on October 22, 2009 at 5:50 PM

It’s the magical dream the GOP elites have, to seed their caucus with RINO’s who will attract the fabled moderates and simultaneously enact a conservative agenda.

Meanwhile the current RINO’s in office are doing everything they can to make Ogabe look good.

Bishop on October 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM

I follow Gingrich’s reasoning. It is the same logic employed by Steele and the RNC leadership: broaden appeal and grow the party. While it is sound strategy at district or state level for a purple- or blue-state Republican candidate to lean moderate on the issues, such a strategy on a national level is bound to fail–will always fail. They’re doing it wrong.

The winning strategy brings the independent voters to us on the strength of conservative ideas. We won’t win by diluting the message and chasing the middle. A Republican candidate such as Scozzafava, ideologically indistinguishable from a liberal Democrat, is bad enough. Endorsing her and those like her is a tactical disaster.

And would someone please explain to me why Gingrich is so highly regarded? I’m not being facetious here. I genuinely want to know.

troyriser_gopftw on October 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Populists like Beck — and Sarahcuda, maybe? — will love the idea of fiscally conservative third-party insurgents making the GOP sweat

I like it, too. :-)

but if it produces a split vote among Republicans in a bunch of close midterm races, it could be the difference between the Democrats losing or keeping the House.

I think in the long run it would be the best thing. We need to elect more conservative representation (from whatever party), and send RINOS like Newt to the dustbin of history.

Sorry, Newt, but it’s true. What happened to the Newt that we once knew and loved during the Clinton adminsitration? That guy was a conservative and a fighter.

UltimateBob on October 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Glenn Beck was going off on these morons a few minutes ago!

He used buildings around New York City to make his point. I sear to God, this guy is a genius!

Where is the Verizon “can you hear me now” guy when we need him?

gary4205 on October 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe are Diet Coke.
I HATE Diet Coke. LOL-it tastes like CRAP!
I’m sick of having to choose between Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi.
I want the REAL CONSERVATIVE-Lower taxes, smaller government. Thank you.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM

GOP leaders? What´s that?

albill on October 22, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I still think he’s wrong on balance since there’s no good reason for the local party bosses to have nominated a liberal in a reliably red district, but he’s right that this could have bad repercussions.

I would agree with you about the bad repercussions if not for the HISTORICAL FACT that the ONLY time in the last 60 odd years that the GOP won majoirties was when they embrace conservative vaules. If Newt is worried about repercussions he and the party elites need to stop moving the party to the left. We need leaders educate the people about what freedom and liberty means not bribe the people for votes. the problem with bribing votewrs as the medicare drug plan showed is they do not stay bought.

unseen on October 22, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Maybe the results sould read:

Lost Touch 73%
In Touch 12%
Too Stupid to have an opinion 15%

Regards,

the Dragon on October 22, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Look, there are moderate Republican candidates, and then there’s this Scozzafava: an ACORN-affiliated, tax increase-loving, porkulus-supporting union boss’s wife — who is likely to switch parties if she wins the election. Newt needs to pull his head out of his fat, lazy ass. This isn’t some right wing temper tantrum. This is the party elite trying to sell a sh*t sandwich as something edible. It’s not.

Rational Thought on October 22, 2009 at 5:58 PM

but he’s right that this could have bad repercussions.

Sure, and normally I wouldn’t mind a “moderate” republican in New York, or anywhere else that wanted one. None of my business.

However, since conservatives were spit on by republicans over the last two years (bigots, nativists, racists, don’t want to do what’s right for America), I’m not feeling too agreeable right now.

jaime on October 22, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Newt the new leader of the whig party

unseen on October 22, 2009 at 5:58 PM

I am making a stand against liberal policies and implementation of such policies. I am willing live with the unattended results.
*Power To The People*
We the People will elect the candidate of our choice! We do not want another liberal repub or demo in office

hawkman on October 22, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Poor Newt.

I guess he forgot that plugging a dike was just part of a fairy tale.

TXUS on October 22, 2009 at 5:59 PM

And would someone please explain to me why Gingrich is so highly regarded? I’m not being facetious here. I genuinely want to know.

troyriser_gopftw on October 22, 2009 at 5:55 PM

3 words: Contract With America.

UltimateBob on October 22, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Once a good man, Newt.

Now but just another Potomac crackhead.

TXUS on October 22, 2009 at 5:54 PM

Sad but true

congma on October 22, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Maybe the results sould read:

Lost Touch 73%
In Touch 12%
Too Stupid to have an opinion 15%

Regards,

the Dragon on October 22, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Moderates? LOL.
Stand on your values and make a damn decision.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:00 PM

What the Hell is the GOP and the Grumpy Old People Party?
Oh sorry that’s GOPP.

Not that there’s not some good old people Cheney, Thompson, but the GOPP keeps recycling the same old washed up panderers. Gingrich, McCain!

The election coming up will be like one never seen before.
The attitude is throw the bums out and we need real citizens not professional panders and lawyers.
We need business people who have lived and worked outside of DC.

We need Sarahs’, Joe the Plumbers, Joe Wilsons’, Reformers not players goin along to get along!

dhunter on October 22, 2009 at 6:00 PM

The GOPP had better being doing something productive like closing the primaries so libs don’t nominate McCain again!

dhunter on October 22, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Who did Beck say would be the next President….BO? He said he was going to do that this am on his radio show.

It is interesting to me that when you poll Repubs at their local level in straw polls, Palin comes out as the favorite. That tells you something, we just don’t have anybody in the GOP leadership that wants to hear it.

shomegirl on October 22, 2009 at 6:03 PM

We have to have the strength and courage to continue this fight for the rest of each of our lives. This isn’t about 2010 or 2012, it is about saving this country from socialism and tyranny. Its not about getting elected, it is about changing our future. And we need to do that election after election – federal, state, and local.

huckleberryfriend on October 22, 2009 at 6:03 PM

You don’t beat evil by becoming evil. Show the people an alternative to big government and corruption. They might actually like if all those tea parties and town hall protests are a clue. That’s your winning strategy Newter.

chicagojedi on October 22, 2009 at 6:04 PM

If Palin comes out in favor of Hoffman, it’ll be a direct assault on Newt. If Hoffman wins, which I think he will, then perhaps Newt will think twice before playing the role of the party hack over the principled conservative. He is as out of touch with the base now as he was on top of things in the early 90′s.

Newt has more to lose with this election. I wonder if he realizes that.

EMD on October 22, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Funny how Laura has a deeper voice than Newt.

simplesimon on October 22, 2009 at 6:04 PM

If the people were being represented adequately by the Republicans there wouldn’t be a need for a 3rd party in the first place.

Iblis on October 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Funny how Laura has a deeper voice than Newt.

simplesimon on October 22, 2009 at 6:04 PM

And Michelle has a deeper voice than Barack Hussein Obama, sheep shagger.
Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM

DeMint
Coburn
Inhofe
Issa
Marco Rubio

I’m sure many of you can add to this list, but we do have some great people. Just not enough of them. 2010 has to be a watershed year. If the GOP still doesn’t get it, we need to let them know right now that we’re going to put the hurt on them.

califcon on October 22, 2009 at 6:06 PM

The Republican Elite is like Ebeneezer Scrooge. There is still time for them to change their ways.

kingsjester on October 22, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Depends.

You got the ghosts of Ronald Reagan, Conservatives Past, Conservative Present and The Specter of Death starring as The Ghost of GOP Future?

I think Newt and the gang need to see a world where they’re nobodies and there’s no hope of fixing things because their lust for power put the real Fascist Party of America into power.

(Yeah, can we stop pretending there’s ANYTHING “democratic” about those ***holes now? They lock members of the opposition party out of conferences, rig elections, turn goon squads on their political opponents and critics, etc… let’s call them the fascists they are and be done with it.)

When did Newt become such a neutered stooge for the “Democrats”, anyway?

SuperCool on October 22, 2009 at 6:06 PM

And Michelle has a deeper voice than Barack Hussein Obama, sheep shagger.
Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Thanks, cat lady. Do you think that they understand you when you talk to them?

simplesimon on October 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Newt seems to have lost his faith on principles. A known side-effect of being smart. Sometimes intelligent people outsmart themselves usually bought on by having arrogance.

Newt, find your center again.

-

TwilightStruggler on October 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM

I think the Democrats tried to pull a fast one by getting the GOP to back Scuzzy and they fell for it… Imean look at her resume and the fact that the seat is vacant because Obama took the rep there out… What would have happened if Hoffman hadn’t said”oh he’ll no” and gotten in the race?

CCRWM on October 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM

First, there are no GOP leaders.

Second, without them…

Third, there are no leftie leaders either.

Schadenfreude on October 22, 2009 at 6:10 PM

And Michelle has a deeper voice than Barack Hussein Obama, sheep shagger.
Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Thanks, cat lady. Do you think that they understand you when you talk to them?

simplesimon on October 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Much etter than you speaking with all that wool in your mouth, sheep shagger.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Texas-see Ciro Rodriguez, Henry Cuellar, Silvestre Reyes. You speak of things you know nothing about, Olympia.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM

You forgot Ruben Hinojosa. He makes Henry Cuellar look conservative.

lonestar1 on October 22, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Texas-see Ciro Rodriguez, Henry Cuellar, Silvestre Reyes. You speak of things you know nothing about, Olympia.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 5:52 PM

You forgot Ruben Hinojosa. He makes Henry Cuellar look conservative.

lonestar1 on October 22, 2009 at 6:12 PM

My parents live in Zero’s district. What a buffoon.
Yeah, OlympiaAnn is a little out of her element, speaking about conservatives.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:14 PM

Much etter than you speaking with all that wool in your mouth, sheep shagger.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Hornet. What’s up girl? The latest revelation on mental case chick, simple, is her confession two nights ago about having a plastic man doll friend. She gets cranky when the wee-wee appendage goes flaccid and she gots to blow it up again.

RepubChica on October 22, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Done with Gingrich… McCain, Graham, Gingrich; same mold that has led the party into the wilderness.

When the leaders of a party no longer listen to their constituents, they have wandered into the wilderness and therefore must be allowed to wander on without effecting the rest of us.

Gingrich had his time, and I thank him for such efforts. We all hope to reach our prime some time during our life. We also must realize that our prime is not an endless period, there will be a time when it becomes necessary to pass on the keys to another capable man/woman who is in their prime.

Keemo on October 22, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Just 15% of Republicans who plan to vote in 2012 state primaries say the party’s representatives in Congress have done a good job of representing Republican values.

Re-Frum-Licans.

portlandon on October 22, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Here’s the deal, as I see it, re:

but if it produces a split vote among Republicans in a bunch of close midterm races, it could be the difference between the Democrats losing or keeping the House.

It very well could do exactly that in 2010. After that, the GOP either goes right or goes away, and the 3rd party grows–because disaffected conservatives would not be going back after such a schism. Period.

Stop fearing what might happen in the future and start doing the right thing today. I’ve never cared about RINOs in RINOLAND (eg, Maine), because that is the will of the people. As it is, I’m not a Republican anyway–I’m trying to stay out of politics now, for various reasons. But NY-23 is not about figthing RINOdom, but a local party apparatus that is apparently crackers (admittedly, county party jobs are a tough task), and the conservative disaffection is about pols who don’t act like statesmen in any way, shape, or form. You have got to be willing to lose. So stop fearing what might happen next year. You’re absolutely right–there could be a schism. Honestly, there should be a schism. And the best way to have that schism is to act like the GOP has performed flawlessly. It hasn’t. So stop reinforcing failure. And if it takes a 3rd party insurgency to bring that message home, so be it–the 3rd party will eventually win, I can promise you that. So straighten up and fly right. Have a little courage–or more accurately, recall to yourself that courage you have shone in the past. Stand athawrt and stop trying to manage decline. Think instead of how victory may be achieved. Hold the line.

Horatius on October 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Much etter than you speaking with all that wool in your mouth, sheep shagger.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Hornet. What’s up girl? The latest revelation on mental case chick, simple, is her confession two nights ago about having a plastic man doll friend. She gets cranky when the wee-wee appendage goes flaccid and she gots to blow it up again.

RepubChica on October 22, 2009 at 6:16 PM

NO! Simpleton is a woman? I’ll bet she has an obama blow up doll, Chica. Yes, we can yes, we can….bleh.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Oh, noes! This means its name is Buffy now, instead of Skippy.

kingsjester on October 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM

The only more dismissive politicians than democrats of republicans are “progressive” republicans of conservatives. And I honestly believe that some of the leaders would rather the party die with them than live on and prosper without them.

JeffinOrlando on October 22, 2009 at 6:20 PM

I think people need to be more proactive, they need to get on these committees and take over more of the local apparatus. Don’t get lazy and complacent and then complain about the results. I do think people are trying to make up for that now..and I think if the situation in 23rd NY does nothing else, it makes it plain that there needs to be a primary or some other kind of voter participation in picking candidates. If they had picked a reasonably conservative person for this race the New York Republican party could have spared themselves all this.

Terrye on October 22, 2009 at 6:22 PM

UltimateBob, when Gingrich was promoting the Contract With America, he was having oral sex with women not his wife so he could say under oath he wasn’t having intercourse with them. Character counts; or rather, it should with Republican politicians. Let the Democrats do what they like but I don’t think it’s too much to ask of GOP politicians that they behave with a modicum of decency and honesty both publicly and privately.

troyriser_gopftw on October 22, 2009 at 6:22 PM

NO! Simpleton is a woman? I’ll bet she has an obama blow up doll, Chica. Yes, we can yes, we can….bleh.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM

I’m almost 100% certain it’s “capitulus” who was banned couple months back. Notice how catty she gets with the ladies here and how excited she gets when the men pay attention to her.

RepubChica on October 22, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Hello? McFly! *TAP* *TAP*

Just a few reasons I really don’t give a flip if the GOP RNC go the way of the crowd invisible.

1)”I would like to disagree with my esteemed colleague from across the isle” I am sick of this false above the fray bullsh*t. The democrats are sitting on your shoulders bashing your brains out with sledge hammers and you still wont fight back. It leaves me with this conclusion:
a)You are cowards.
b)You are fools.
I dont vote for either.

2)You keep foisting the same people, using the same strategery, consulting the same pinheads, getting the same result, and you still haven’t figured out why you keep losing.

3)”Staying home is just like voting for a democrat.” I No longer care. “Voting for a Republican is just like voting for a democrat.” is the new mantra bandied about. I am gonna take it on step further.

I am going to vote party line democrat here in Maine. That way, if the winds are for us, Snowe and Collins stint as Republocrats will have ended. They will be gone and we can start anew.

“But, But, But, the democrats will gain more seats in the senate!” a GOP Flying Monkey will whine.

So flipping what? They already own them scooter!

mikkins on October 22, 2009 at 6:22 PM

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM
I’m almost 100% certain it’s “capitulus” who was banned couple months back. Notice how catty she gets with the ladies here and how excited she gets when the men pay attention to her.

RepubChica on October 22, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Ahhh. Crapulus.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:24 PM

I don’t consider too many Republicans currently in office “leaders.”

scalleywag on October 22, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Newt has more to lose with this election. I wonder if he realizes that.

EMD on October 22, 2009 at 6:04 PM

You think “he doesn’t care about Scozzafava” (today) all of a sudden came from nowhere?

Marcus on October 22, 2009 at 6:28 PM

This is Ross Perot 2.0. How will getting a Democrat elected to a Republican seat help conservatism? Is it more important for you to feel god in the comments section of Hot Air or to limit the damage done by Marxists controlling the Executive and legislative branches of government.

Does no one here understand what will happen if the GOP loses seats in 2010? Do you think protest votes will stop Obama signing away our future to the United Nations? Do you think we won’t look like Venezuela by 2012? Obama is already laying the ground work to gain support to close down news stations, anything less than a sweeping defeat of the left in the 2010 elections will embolden the progressives and speed up their agenda. And for trying to stop that you holier than though conservatives are trying to paint Newt Gingrich, Newt Gingrich, as some sort of squishy Rino.

I had hoped there was a movement afoot to stop Marxism in this country, but instead I see a coalition of people looking to shoot America in the foot for not treading a narrow path that doesn’t lead to victory. You’re all willing to give Obama more power to ensure that only people who agree with you on every issue are elected on the right, leaving dozens of seats from the north east to be stolen by leftists.

How’d all your protest voting work out for the dollar? Our troops in Afghanistan? National Security? How’d that Ron Pual vote taste after you realized Obama was putting you on terror watch lists and stealthily moving to take your guns? But at least we’ll have our principles when we’re living in a bankrupt failed state controlled by an Obamunist paramilitary right guys? Even if we won’t be able to articulate those principles without being in arrested, you know, like in Europe and Latin America.

Elections have consequences. I’m not saying tow the line, but at least listen to what people like Newt have to say. Hoffman will not win that seat, his “surge” in the polls still has him more than 12 points behind the Democrats.

Rob Taylor on October 22, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Ahhh. Crapulus.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Be careful. I heard if you say a trolls name 3 times while looking into a mirror you either die, or become a Czar in the O-ministration.

portlandon on October 22, 2009 at 6:31 PM

I hate to say it but Newt is dead wrong about Rubio’s chances.
Even though Rubio (a true conservative) currently trails RINO Crist in the Florida Senate primary, he is winning against the Democrat by 15% and Crist only leads Meek by 12%

A new Rasmussen Reports survey of Florida voters shows Governor Charlie Crist leading Representative Kendrick Meek by a 46% to 34% margin. In August, Crist led by 19 and in June he was ahead by 21.

Former Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio leads Meek by a similar margin, 46% to 31%. In August, Rubio led by 13 percentage points.

Crist is losing his lead to Meek while Rubio continues to surge against both Crist and Meek with 10 months to go. The poll above was released just yesterday.

Newt should remember that (AS RUBIO SAYS) priciples are not negotiable even it it means losing an election.

Check out Rubio’s new web ads Higher and Higher and Free Fallin.

Nelsa on October 22, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Hoffman is not a Republican. I repeat, he is not a Republican. He is running on the Conservative ticket.

Technically Scozzafava may be taking votes from the Democrat, with both running against the Conservative.

Lonetown on October 22, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Newt has more to lose with this election. I wonder if he realizes that.

EMD on October 22, 2009 at 6:04 PM

You think “he doesn’t care about Scozzafava” (today) all of a sudden came from nowhere?

Marcus on October 22, 2009 at 6:28 PM

marcus:

Newt said right from the beginning of all this that Scozzafava was not his choice, not someone he would have picked..I think that he just wants to defeat the Democrats because he knows that if they stay in control of the Congress the damage they do might be irreversible. I think that if the only thing Newt cared about was himself, he would leave this alone. This is just one of those no win kind of situations.

The truth is all we can really do is let the people of that district make their choice at the polls. Let them decide.

Terrye on October 22, 2009 at 6:33 PM

As Olympia Snowe teaches us, what difference does it make if Republicans take back the House if they vote like Democrats? This whole party affiliation thing is way out whack. How you vote means something! I’d rather vote for a person who would vote for me and freedom! If that means the Republican party suffers and a conservative party rises slowly so be it. The Republican party just doesn’t get it! The best thing that could happen for my money is that the RINO’s just quit and get out of the way.

Christian Conservative on October 22, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Funny how Laura has a deeper voice than Newt.

simplesimon on October 22, 2009 at 6:04 PM

back under your rock, moron

bill30097 on October 22, 2009 at 6:35 PM

If an R votes with the d’s, then my vote is not lost if I vote for a conservative R, even if he loses.

Johan Klaus on October 22, 2009 at 6:36 PM

I couldn’t even tell you who is leading this party right now. I expected it to be Jindal – but he morphed into Fred Rogers and hasn’t left the neighborhood since.

Huckabee is doing TV now and not very well, I might add. He’s not using his spotlight to lead the way. He’s standing in front of it giving a monologue.

Mitt tried to sell a few houses to avoid the ‘how many houses’ question but he’s still an expensive stuffed suit that just isn’t that intriguing an option.

Sarah Palin is leading – but it’s away from the Republican mainstream and she threatens many of their sweetheart deals just as much as the corrupt liberals. She is also willing to attack harmful policies on occasion instead of safely feigning mild opposition.

Mr Purple on October 22, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Just hit me…. this is GOP folks… not even those of us who left the party and became independents, due to a lack of Libertariansm and Fiscal Conservatism… ie… these are the party faithful…

Sad…

Romeo13 on October 22, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I’m in agreement with Ingraham here, but she was pwn3d by Newt in that segment. Notice the so called call of “uncle” when she moved on to talk about Newt’s book signing.

GrammarPolice on October 22, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Are conservatives supporting DH in NY-23, and those itching for a third party option generally, cutting off their nose to spite their face?

No, the GOP is cutting off its legs for disability benefits.

As it stands, the GOP is a dead letter with no return address. They have no point, except as a lukewarm opposition party, parlaying their moribund influence into trinkets for their wives. They’re all time-servers. They’re in Washington to make comfortable careers for themselves as elected lobbyists for their districts.

I would call them cowards if they had ever joined a side in this ideological battle. I would call them mercenaries if they had demonstrated the first inkling of honesty in their self-interest. The only description I can muster about the GOP is that is a party of ideological hermaphrodites, unable to muster support because they haven’t the faintest clue what they would do with it.

spmat on October 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:24 PM

See, the witch vanished. She’s got major issues with conservative women–hence her rearing her ugly little rabidly jealous head in Palin threads and now trying to diss Laura. Anyway, I gotta fly outta here. Just saw simple beyotch gettin stupid with my homegirl and wanted to get in a smackdown. You handle that crazy lady just fine without me. ‘Nite.

(my apologies for spamming thread with this OT back and forth, guys).

RepubChica on October 22, 2009 at 6:44 PM

We’ve got commenters in other posts about this topic calling for the death of Dede. I whole heartedly agree with Newt on this issue. “Conservatives” are going to allow the democrats to control Congress for the next 20 years. You have no one to blame but yourselves for this mess. Who here wouldn’t rather have McCain, realistically speaking? McCain may have been bad, but would he have completely disregarded the Constitution, tripled the deficit, and waved the white flag to our enemies? Doubtful. If the same people that are winging death threats at ‘not conservative enough’ candidates and backing third partiers, even though it means giving Pelosi and pals more power are the same people DEMANDING the GOP heed their calls to be more conservative (or else!!11!!!11), then by all means, leave the GOP. There was a right way to go about doing this and a wrong way, and you’ve succeeded in doing the latter. Congrats folks, you just secured the path to Socialism! I’ll thank your grand kids for you…

NoStoppingUs on October 22, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I will not give one cent more to the Republican Party. I unsubscibed from all internet contact today and all mail will be shredded.

This a an absolute shambles and Mr Newt on the Sofa wants to go away along with the other RINOS. The Republican Party is soiled goods after the NY charade.

Sandybourne on October 22, 2009 at 6:50 PM

NoStoppingUs on October 22, 2009 at 6:45 PM

So, we should be willing to give up just a little bit more of our freedom to elect a so-called Republican!!?

You don’t get it “my friend”.

Nelsa on October 22, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Another point that hasn’t been mentioned: If Hoffman wins, who will he caucus with? If you folks despise the GOP so much, what happens when he wins? If he doesn’t caucus with anyone, he can’t get anything done and won’t be a part of negotiations. Sure, he’ll vote no a lot, but one is an awfully lonely number…

NoStoppingUs on October 22, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Here is what Newt and all the others that are for (R)’s no matter what don’t remember. Before the 2006 election the base was busy calling Rush, Hannity and any other Conservative talk show complaining about how the elected (R)’s have turned their back on the base and how they where fed up with how they were voting on the issues. This is the same energy that has lead to the Tea Parties, it’s the voters fealing frustrated that no one is listening to them. In 2006 the base was saying, very loud and very clear that they where going to stay home rather than vote for (D) light. So if Newt and the GOP and NRCC don’t want the base to stay home again they better start looking for CONSERVATIVE (R)’s to run in the election. This is also why GB is so popular, he is saying it’s not about the parties, it’s about core principals. Now saying that does not mean the base is looking for purity, but if you can’t even get the most basic principal of FREEDOM correct, how can the voters trust them to get anything else right?

If you can support:
Card Check
Cap and Tax
Wage controls
Public Option…
then you are not for freedom

lwssdd on October 22, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Does NY have a runoff rule? Meaning if no candidate gets a majority, then there is another vote between the top two.

Holger on October 22, 2009 at 6:53 PM

Maybe Newt should consult Joe Leiberman about switching parties and winning an election.

Newt, let the party split and elect the Democrat! Let the sheeple suffer more and more until they get it. Either elect conservatives or suffer the consequences. I’m willing to wait as long as it takes.

Listen to Rush…never compromise your principles…NEVER!

orlandocajun on October 22, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Ahhh. Crapulus.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Be careful. I heard if you say a trolls name 3 times while looking into a mirror you either die, or become a Czar in the O-ministration.

portlandon on October 22, 2009 at 6:31 PM

I’ll take the paycheck, but they can keep the communist lizard tongue.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:55 PM

“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers”.
Ronald Reagan

any questions?

unseen on October 22, 2009 at 6:56 PM

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:24 PM
See, the witch vanished. She’s got major issues with conservative women–hence her rearing her ugly little rabidly jealous head in Palin threads and now trying to diss Laura. Anyway, I gotta fly outta here. Just saw simple beyotch gettin stupid with my homegirl and wanted to get in a smackdown. You handle that crazy lady just fine without me. ‘Nite.

(my apologies for spamming thread with this OT back and forth, guys).

RepubChica on October 22, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Thank you for the swarm, Chica.

HornetSting on October 22, 2009 at 6:56 PM

he’s right that this could have bad repercussions.

Can’t be any worse than the repercussions Americans are suffering from the two-headed one party state that’s run this country into the ground thus far.

It’s political Stockholm syndrome, is what. It’s time to break free from your beltway hack hostage-takers, conservatives, and take back your country.

Rae on October 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Oh yeah, when Gingrich can opine that Scozzafava ain’t so bad, and when the chairman of the GOP can blather the way he does, they’re out of touch.

‘Broad and Leftist Republican’ aka RINO was tried in ’08 and it landed us with the socialist government we have now, that sees nothing wrong with state-owned industry, and state-dictated compensation (which is often none).

What people want is clear, logical, sensible and consistant positions. And ‘anything goes’ or ‘compromise till you drop’ ain’t it. Supposedly most people wanted a more liberal approach than the Gipper provided, and yet the Gipper was loved and elected. Why? Because he had a clear, conservative, limited-government approach.

And that is the answer, not pandering to the Scozzafavas of the world, and compromising with those who are clearly in the wrong. We live in a world where errors are punished cruelly, and we are suffering for the excesses of the left and the right today. There are right answers and there are wrong answers. And compromising with the marxists is the wrong answer.

ANV on October 22, 2009 at 6:58 PM

These eggheads are going to have to get it through their heads that the jig is up. We’re not playin’ no more.

There shouldn’t be a rift between conservatives and the GOP. Our core values, in terms of governance, are supposed to be the same… adherence to the Constitution, limited government, responsible spending, and so forth. And while we might not all agree on social issues, those tend to work themselves out rather handily if we rely on our constitutional values.

Just a handful of ‘back-to-the-wall-never-gonna-waiver’ principles would hold us all together. But if the party isn’t willing to stand for something concrete, what’s the point of having one?

What we ought to be seeing from Republicans RIGHT NOW are challenges to proposed legislation and vociferous questioning of it’s constitutionality. They ought to be raising hell, demanding to know where the authority is for mandating that citizens buy health insurance, seizing our medical records, setting pay limits on private citizens, etc.

I want to see wrathful, sword-wielding, archangels of Constitutional Justice! And if all they’ve got to offer is some tepid version of Democrat-lite… then color me underwhelmed and unenthusiastic.

These guys need to LEAD or get the hell out of the way and make room for new blood. Period.

Murf76 on October 22, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Let Them Go Their Way

Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA)

March 1, 1975

Since our last meeting we have been through a disastrous election. It is easy for us to be discouraged, as pundits hail that election as a repudiation of our philosophy and even as a mandate of some kind or other. But the significance of the election was not registered by those who voted, but by those who stayed home. If there was anything like a mandate it will be found among almost two-thirds of the citizens who refused to participate.

Bitter as it is to accept the results of the November election, we should have reason for some optimism. For many years now we have preached “the gospel,” in opposition to the philosophy of so-called liberalism which was, in truth, a call to collectivism.

Now, it is possible we have been persuasive to a greater degree than we had ever realized. Few, if any, Democratic party candidates in the last election ran as liberals. Listening to them I had the eerie feeling we were hearing reruns of Goldwater speeches. I even thought I heard a few of my own.

Bureaucracy was assailed and fiscal responsibility hailed. Even George McGovern donned sackcloth and ashes and did penance for the good people of South Dakota.

But let’s not be so naive as to think we are witnessing a mass conversion to the principles of conservatism. Once sworn into office, the victors reverted to type. In their view, apparently, the ends justified the means.

The “Young Turks” had campaigned against “evil politicians.” They turned against committee chairmen of their own party, displaying a taste and talent as cutthroat power politicians quite in contrast to their campaign rhetoric and idealism. Still, we must not forget that they molded their campaigning to fit what even they recognized was the mood of the majority.

And we must see to it that the people are reminded of this as they now pursue their ideological goals—and pursue them they will.

I know you are aware of the national polls which show that a greater (and increasing) number of Americans—Republicans, Democrats and independents—classify themselves as “conservatives” than ever before. And a poll of rank-and-file union members reveals dissatisfaction with the amount of power their own leaders have assumed, and a resentment of their use of that power for partisan politics. Would it shock you to know that in that poll 68 percent of rank-and-file union members of this country came out endorsing right-to-work legislation?

These polls give cause for some optimism, but at the same time reveal a confusion that exists and the need for a continued effort to “spread the word.”

In another recent survey, of 35,000 college and university students polled, three-fourths blame American business and industry for all of our economic and social ills. The same three-fourths think the answer is more (and virtually complete) regimentation and government control of all phases of business—including the imposition of wage and price controls. Yet, 80 percent in the same poll want less government interference in their own lives!

In 1972 the people of this country had a clear-cut choice, based on the issues—to a greater extent than any election in half a century. In overwhelming numbers they ignored party labels, not so much to vote for a man or even a policy as to repudiate a philosophy. In doing so they repudiated that final step into the welfare state—that call for the confiscation and redistribution of their earnings on a scale far greater than what we now have. They repudiated the abandonment of national honor and a weakening of this nation’s ability to protect itself.

A study has been made that is so revealing that I’m not surprised it has been ignored by a certain number of political commentators and columnists. The political science department of Georgetown University researched the mandate of the 1972 election and recently presented its findings at a seminar.

Taking several major issues which, incidentally, are still the issues of the day, they polled rank-and-file members of the Democratic party on their approach to these problems. Then they polled the delegates to the two major national conventions—the leaders of the parties.

They found the delegates to the Republican convention almost identical in their responses to those of the rank-and-file Republicans. Yet, the delegates to the Democratic convention were miles apart from the thinking of their own party members.

The mandate of 1972 still exists. The people of America have been confused and disturbed by events since that election, but they hold an unchanged philosophy.

Our task is to make them see that what we represent is identical to their own hopes and dreams of what America can and should be. If there are questions as to whether the principles of conservatism hold up in practice, we have the answers to them. Where conservative principles have been tried, they have worked. Gov. Meldrim Thomson is making them work in New Hampshire; so is Arch Moore in West Virginia and Mills Godwin in Virginia. Jack Williams made them work in Arizona and I’m sure Jim Edwards will in South Carolina.

If you will permit me, I can recount my own experience in California.

When I went to Sacramento eight years ago, I had the belief that government was no deep, dark mystery, that it could be operated efficiently by using the same common sense practiced in our everyday life, in our homes, in business and private affairs.

The “lab test” of my theory – California—was pretty messed up after eight years of a road show version of the Great Society. Our first and only briefing came from the outgoing director of finance, who said: “We’re spending $1 million more a day than we’re taking in. I have a golf date. Good luck!” That was the most cheerful news we were to hear for quite some time.

California state government was increasing by about 5,000 new employees a year. We were the welfare capital of the world with 16 percent of the nation’s caseload. Soon, California’s caseload was increasing by 40,000 a month.

We turned to the people themselves for help. Two hundred and fifty experts in the various fields volunteered to serve on task forces at no cost to the taxpayers. They went into every department of state government and came back with 1,800 recommendations on how modern business practices could be used to make government more efficient. We adopted 1,600 of them.

We instituted a policy of “cut, squeeze and trim” and froze the hiring of employees as replacements for retiring employees or others leaving state service.

After a few years of struggling with the professional welfarists, we again turned to the people. First, we obtained another task force and, when the legislature refused to help implement its recommendations, we presented the recommendations to the electorate.

It still took some doing. The legislature insisted our reforms would not work; that the needy would starve in the streets; that the workload would be dumped on the counties; that property taxes would go up and that we’d run up a deficit the first year of $750 million.

That was four years ago. Today, the needy have had an average increase of 43 percent in welfare grants in California, but the taxpayers have saved $2 billion by the caseload not increasing that 40,000 a month. Instead, there are some 400,000 fewer on welfare today

than then.

Forty of the state’s 58 counties have reduced property taxes for two years in a row (some for three). That $750-million deficit turned into an $850-million surplus which we returned to the people in a one-time tax rebate. That wasn’t easy. One state senator described that rebate as “an unnecessary expenditure of public funds.”

For more than two decades governments—federal, state, local—have been increasing in size two-and-a-half times faster than the population increase. In the last 10 years they have increased the cost in payroll seven times as fast as the increase in numbers.

We have just turned over to a new administration in Sacramento a government virtually the same size it was eight years ago. With the state’s growth rate, this means that government absorbed a workload increase, in some departments as much as 66 percent.

We also turned over—for the first time in almost a quarter of a century—a balanced budget and a surplus of $500 million. In these eight years just passed, we returned to the people in rebates, tax reductions and bridge toll reductions $5.7 billion. All of this is contrary to the will of those who deplore conservatism and profess to be liberals, yet all of it is pleasing to its citizenry.

Make no mistake, the leadership of the Democratic party is still out of step with the majority of Americans.

Speaker Carl Albert recently was quoted as saying that our problem is “60 percent recession, 30 percent inflation and 10 percent energy.” That makes as much sense as saying two and two make 22.

Without inflation there would be no recession. And unless we curb inflation we can see the end of our society and economic system. The painful fact is we can only halt inflation by undergoing a period of economic dislocation—a recession, if you will.

We can take steps to ease the suffering of some who will be hurt more than others, but if we turn from fighting inflation and adopt a program only to fight recession we are on the road to disaster.

In his first address to Congress, the president asked Congress to join him in an all-out effort to balance the budget. I think all of us wish that he had re-issued that speech instead of this year’s budget message.

What side can be taken in a debate over whether the deficit should be $52 billion or $70 billion or $80 billion preferred by the profligate Congress?

Inflation has one cause and one cause only: government spending more than government takes in. And the cure to inflation is a balanced budget. We know, of course, that after 40 years of social tinkering and Keynesian experimentation that we can’t do this all at once, but it can be achieved. Balancing the budget is like protecting your virtue: you have to learn to say “no.”

This is no time to repeat the shopworn panaceas of the New Deal, the Fair Deal and the Great Society. John Kenneth Galbraith, who, in my opinion, is living proof that economics is an inexact science, has written a new book. It is called “Economics and the Public Purpose.” In it, he asserts that market arrangements in our economy have given us inadequate housing, terrible mass transit, poor health care and a host of other miseries. And then, for the first time to my knowledge, he advances socialism as the answer to our problems.

Shorn of all side issues and extraneous matter, the problem underlying all others is the worldwide contest for the hearts and minds of mankind. Do we find the answers to human misery in freedom as it is known, or do we sink into the deadly dullness of the Socialist ant heap?

Those who suggest that the latter is some kind of solution are, I think, open to challenge. Let’s have no more theorizing when actual comparison is possible. There is in the world a great nation, larger than ours in territory and populated with 250 million capable people. It is rich in resources and has had more than 50 uninterrupted years to practice socialism without opposition.

We could match them, but it would take a little doing on our part. We’d have to cut our paychecks back by 75 percent; move 60 million workers back to the farm; abandon two-thirds of our steel-making capacity; destroy 40 million television sets; tear up 14 of every 15 miles of highway; junk 19 of every 20 automobiles; tear up two-thirds of our railroad track; knock down 70 percent of our houses; and rip out nine out of every 10 telephones. Then, all we have to do is find a capitalist country to sell us wheat on credit to keep us from starving!

Our people are in a time of discontent. Our vital energy supplies are threatened by possibly the most powerful cartel in human history. Our traditional allies in Western Europe are experiencing political and economic instability bordering on chaos.

We seem to be increasingly alone in a world grown more hostile, but we let our defenses shrink to pre-Pearl Harbor levels. And we are conscious that in Moscow the crash build-up of arms continues. The SALT II agreement in Vladivostok, if not re-negotiated, guarantees the Soviets a clear missile superiority sufficient to make a “first strike” possible, with little fear of reprisal. Yet, too many congressmen demand further cuts in our own defenses, including delay if not cancellation of the B-1 bomber.

I realize that millions of Americans are sick of hearing about Indochina, and perhaps it is politically unwise to talk of our obligation to Cambodia and South Vietnam. But we pledged—in an agreement that brought our men home and freed our prisoners—to give our allies arms and ammunition to replace on a one-for-one basis what they expend in resisting the aggression of the Communists who are violating the cease-fire and are fully aided by their Soviet and Red Chinese allies. Congress has already reduced the appropriation to half of what they need and threatens to reduce it even more.

Can we live with ourselves if we, as a nation, betray our friends and ignore our pledged word? And, if we do, who would ever trust us again? To consider committing such an act so contrary to our deepest ideals is symptomatic of the erosion of standards and values. And this adds to our discontent.

We did not seek world leadership; it was thrust upon us. It has been our destiny almost from the first moment this land was settled. If we fail to keep our rendezvous with destiny or, as John Winthrop said in 1630, “Deal falsely with our God,” we shall be made “a story and byword throughout the world.”

Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness.

I don ‘t know about you, but I am impatient with those Republicans who after the last election rushed into print saying, “We must broaden the base of our party”—when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents.

It was a feeling that there was not a sufficient difference now between the parties that kept a majority of the voters away from the polls. When have we ever advocated a closed-door policy? Who has ever been barred from participating?

Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?

Let us show that we stand for fiscal integrity and sound money and above all for an end to deficit spending, with ultimate retirement of the national debt.

Let us also include a permanent limit on the percentage of the people’s earnings government can take without their consent.

Let our banner proclaim a genuine tax reform that will begin by simplifying the income tax so that workers can compute their obligation without having to employ legal help.

And let it provide indexing—adjusting the brackets to the cost of living—so that an increase in salary merely to keep pace with inflation does not move the taxpayer into a surtax bracket. Failure to provide this means an increase in government’s share and would make the worker worse off than he was before he got the raise.

Let our banner proclaim our belief in a free market as the greatest provider for the people.

Let us also call for an end to the nit-picking, the harassment and over-regulation of business and industry which restricts expansion and our ability to compete in world markets.

Let us explore ways to ward off socialism, not by increasing government’s coercive power, but by increasing participation by the people in the ownership of our industrial machine.

Our banner must recognize the responsibility of government to protect the law-abiding, holding those who commit misdeeds personally accountable.

And we must make it plain to international adventurers that our love of peace stops short of “peace at any price.”

We will maintain whatever level of strength is necessary to preserve our free way of life.

A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.

unseen on October 22, 2009 at 7:00 PM

spmat on October 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Who wants dem lite anyway.

Johan Klaus on October 22, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Oh yeah, when Gingrich can opine that Scozzafava ain’t so bad, and when the chairman of the GOP can blather the way he does, they’re out of touch.

‘Broad and Leftist Republican’ aka RINO was tried in ‘08 and it landed us with the socialist government we have now, that sees nothing wrong with state-owned industry, and state-dictated compensation (which is often none).

What people want is clear, logical, sensible and consistant positions. And ‘anything goes’ or ‘compromise till you drop’ ain’t it. Supposedly most people wanted a more liberal approach than the Gipper provided, and yet the Gipper was loved and elected. Why? Because he had a clear, conservative, limited-government approach.

And that is the answer, not pandering to the Scozzafavas of the world, and compromising with those who are clearly in the wrong. We live in a world where errors are punished cruelly, and we are suffering for the excesses of the left and the right today. There are right answers and there are wrong answers. And compromising with the marxists is the wrong answer.

ANV on October 22, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Exactly. It’s too late for yet another game of Let’s Make a Deal.
You don’t make deals with the devil. And you don’t compromise with Socialists.

Murf76 on October 22, 2009 at 7:03 PM

In a nutshell, he doesn’t care about Scozzafava; what he cares about is the encouragement third-party conservatives will take from Hoffman’s run, which could prove disastrous next year if centrist Republican candidates in purple districts suddenly find themselves bleeding votes to right-wing independent challengers.

If that’s true then Dede is a truly EPIC FAIL. If that was the goal wouldn’t it have been smarter to back reliable conservatives in early races to allay people’s fears? Wouldn’t they have been more likely to trust the RNC when they said a candidate was okay next year if these early ones had passed muster? Instead every candidate will be vetted like no one in history thanks to Dede. She’s barely better than Van Jones.

Rocks on October 22, 2009 at 7:03 PM

In other news the sky is blue.

Mormon Doc on October 22, 2009 at 7:05 PM

So, we should be willing to give up just a little bit more of our freedom to elect a so-called Republican!!?

You don’t get it “my friend”.

Nelsa on October 22, 2009 at 6:50 PM

I don’t know about you, but I value my freedom a lot more than just willing to roll over and let your friends, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama have yet another seat in Congress. Maybe you’ll get it when Democrats have controlled Congress for a decade and managed to force everything they’ve ever wanted on the American people. Maybe then, just maybe, YOU will get it.

NoStoppingUs on October 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM

And I don’t believe a thing Newt says anymore. IMHO he has only one question for candidates “Will you make my green investments pay off?” If they answer is yes then he’ll endorse them. He’d endorse Van Jones at this point.

Rocks on October 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM

God I miss Reagan

unseen on October 22, 2009 at 7:12 PM

I get that Gingrich is far more intellectually superior than the rest of us hillbillies, but the fact remains that she will be replacing a Republican who is far more conservative than herself.

That the GOP wishes to sacrifice its supposed ideology over nothing says a lot about where we are headed. The fix is in and 2010 won’t save us. Either that or the GOP is a lot lazier and more unwilling to really sell its message than even I believed.

quiz1 on October 22, 2009 at 7:13 PM

putting on my tin hat here. why did Obama pick the rep from this disctrict in the first place. Why then did the state gop nominate a far left liberal to the seat?

I smell a rat.

unseen on October 22, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I still think he’s wrong on balance since there’s no good reason for the local party bosses to have nominated a liberal in a reliably red district, but he’s right that this could have bad repercussions.

It wasn’t just local party bosses. It was national leadership backing the wrong candidate to represent the party and the district constituents.

Conservatives win by running on conservative ideas, not dem lite ideas.

Opportunity Costs on October 22, 2009 at 7:20 PM

I agree with everyone above.

Scoreboard44 on October 22, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Just had to get that in.

Scoreboard44 on October 22, 2009 at 7:20 PM

I’m sure Newt will switch and endorse Hoffman at some later date when it becomes obvious, to even him, that the GOP will not elect Scozafava. At that point, we can be certain of Newt’s principles, and where he belongs within the party.

rslancer14 on October 22, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Newt running around with Rev. Al Sharpton promoting education has me more upset at him than the endorsement in New York.

Dire Straits on October 22, 2009 at 7:25 PM

NoStoppingUs on October 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM

So you are saying that if we continue to vote for Dem-Light that somehow the party will become more conservative?

Your right! I don’t get it….

If conservatives don’t start standing on their principles now, then it will be to late because the Democrats will have all of the moderate(R) votes they need in the future to continue their failed policies.

Nelsa on October 22, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Who wants dem lite anyway.

Johan Klaus on October 22, 2009 at 7:01 PM

I’d prefer for the sake of truth in advertising that they’d join the Democrat party anyway. There’s precious little difference anyway. Afghanistan, Iraq, or not, we’re all going to end up slaves in the hands of our current government, whether it’s headed up by the voracious socialists in the Democrat party or the “me too” getalong GOP.

spmat on October 22, 2009 at 7:33 PM

(1.) GOP is poor on communications within the registered voter numbers — thus, few to none know what they’re doing, why, why they’re promoting whom, etc.

Improve that area — not with a ridiculous attempt to pose but with actual news and information well reported — and the GOP will improve it’s credibility overall.

(2.) The Left participated in the Push-of-Paul in last year’s election cycle as also in pushing same in the previous Congressional elections; just because you read something on the internet with a “rightwing” or “conservative” sounding I.D. does not mean the person writing that something is who their I.D. makes them out to be.

Gingrich seems more concerned with tactical issues. If the Right can’t come forward with a surge in 2010 and 2012 with the most ghastly, egregious, offensive Democrat-majority and associations in the nation as ever has been, then we’re losers overall. Losers in the sense of being wuss’s.

(3.) Expecting an icon-celebrity-leader-individual is wrong from the Right: it’s wrong to expect and demand (and to “take one’s goods and leave” when this doesn’t transpire) a ‘savior’ on the Right to emulate the same thing the Left has hoisted with the Obama-Celebrity-Personality — the Right ALWAYS wins when we stick to issues and the strong leadership (and leaders) appear when we do stick with issues and demand those issues be represented.

But beware the Left’s constant game-playing as they continue to pose as “conservatives” while being anything but that. They disrupt Right-cohesion when people on the Right are not aware and diligent in remaining wise to this.

Lourdes on October 22, 2009 at 7:34 PM

NoStoppingUs on October 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM

So you are saying that if we continue to vote for Dem-Light that somehow the party will become more conservative?

Your right! I don’t get it….

If conservatives don’t start standing on their principles now, then it will be to late because the Democrats will have all of the moderate(R) votes they need in the future to continue their failed policies.

Nelsa on October 22, 2009 at 7:26 PM

I agree that it’s wrong to continue to support “Democrat-Lite” candidates. And a GOP that’s bent on being a New Liberal Party.

We win on the Right, just as you just said and as I did earlier here, when we support issues and demand that candidates represent those issues.

The Left runs on “candidate stars” which is just plain old theatre (look at their ‘heroes’ in the Senate, as also those they get into the Presidency — look closely at their lives and we find utter charade from what’s been campaigned upon, which is why I deem the Left’s ‘strongest’ aspect to be theatre, they pose good actors, campaign upon good actors as personalities and then go on with their same Marxist/Socialist plans toward the same corrupt goals).

Issues is where the Right wins. And getting these false-fronts (RINOs) out of office because they hurt, harm and embarrass everyone. They also do a great deal to ruin confidence among the Right in elections.

Lourdes on October 22, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Lourdes on October 22, 2009 at 7:34 PM

A question someone asked on here recently… and then amazingly enough my son asked that same day…

How do you get involved in LOCAL Republican Politics, unless you already know someone on the inside?

I know there are local groups… but I sure don’t see them on the web… or advertised…

I get a lot of things asking for money… but sure don’t see any local events or communication happening…

Romeo13 on October 22, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Here’s my public request: every individual who is considering or currently engaged in running as a GOP candidate for public office, who has morality “compromises” in their lives (especially current ones), please withdraw from running.

Mistresses and funds-compromises, public bathroom stalls, anything like that, please seek some other form of employment outside the GOP as to public office.

Lourdes on October 22, 2009 at 7:41 PM

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