Quotes of the day

posted at 10:36 pm on October 22, 2009 by Allahpundit

“Congressional leaders talk in private of being boxed in by commentators such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh — figures who are wildly popular with the conservative base but wildly controversial among other parts of the electorate, and who have proven records of making life miserable for senators and House members critical of their views or influence.

“Some of the leading 2012 candidates are described by operatives as grappling with the same tension. The challenge is to tap into the richest source of energy in the party — the disgust of grass-roots conservative activists with President Barack Obama and their hunger for a full-throated attack on his agenda — without coming off to the broader public as cranky and extreme…

“The debate means the argument over whether outspoken talk show hosts are reviving a beaten party or trashing its brand is likely to persist through the 2010 midterms and into the 2012 presidential primary.”

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“Buchanan established his through his 1992 primary challenge to George H. W. Bush. He won no states and few delegates, but inflicted serious damage on the president with a strong (near 40 percent) showing the New Hampshire primary and emerged as the uncontested leader of the G.O.P.’s economic nationalist wing.

“At the same tine, Buchanan’s vitriolic brand of cultural conservatism and isolationist foreign policy tendencies marked him as a frightening figure to Middle America—and to a large chunk of the Republican Party. He had a big base, yes, but he also scored alarmingly high negative ratings in polls…

“Given the trajectory of her overall poll numbers, that trend will probably intensify in the months ahead: More and more Republicans seem to be realizing that nominating Palin would, as John McCain’s old campaign manager put it, be ‘catastrophic’ for the G.O.P. This means that, if she does run (and it’s certainly possible she won’t), she’ll be a contender in Iowa and some other early states—and she may even pull off a few wins. But once it’s down to her and one other candidate, the party will unite to stop her.”


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LGF snarkiness over this, go figure.

bbz123 on October 23, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Folks we have had two years of the Center-Right in the saddle and we know their mettle (2005-2006)

And just as they tell you the need to moderate and do nothing is essential to the next election, so they will govern, and blame YOU for not generating the poll numbers behind reform that will draw them out of their shell.

They are all about excusing stasis and failure. They squandered a Triple Crown majority and then along came a Democrat to kick their asses.

They are like an offensive coach who insists the best you can do is get set for a 4th down punt. They will not try to score.

Are they pledging a bigger Army (as they whine its too small?) No.
Are they pledging cuts to the largest deficit? No.
Are they pledging to sell GM because we don’t run car companies? No.

You reward that thinking with power and you’ll just confirm their failings. FIRE them and let’s build a machine to destroy the totalitarian utilitarian fascist state.

Chris_Balsz on October 23, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Past is NOT prologue. The paradigm has shifted. The comparisons are weak.

Buckeye Babe on October 23, 2009 at 12:36 AM

The women of this Country are networked and ready. Time to kick ass and take names and save this Country.

D*mn right!

beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 12:39 AM

Palin never focused on cultural conservatism during the 2008 campaign, nor does she now. Her most vocal efforts have been on behalf of energy independence and national security. Her “cultural conservatism” is a narrative that the media are trying to impose at the expense of her more pressing ideas.

Palin may live according to a personal cultural conservatism, but she is enough of a libertarian to know that her values are not the charge of a believer in Constitutional freedom.

onlineanalyst on October 23, 2009 at 12:08 AM

Exactly.

Unless it’s brought up in a debate, or she’s directly asked, don’t look for a hell of a lot of talk about social issues, unless she is at something like one of the pro-life events, or special needs kind of events she is bound to headline.

It will be all red meat fiscal conservatism, energy independence, small government, and getting back to using our Constitution, you can bet on it.

This too, is Reaganesque.

gary4205 on October 23, 2009 at 12:45 AM

The women of this Country are networked and ready. Time to kick ass and take names and save this Country.
D*mn right!

beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 12:39 AM

Yes Ma’am!

HornetSting on October 23, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Article #756 declaring Palin toast. I’ll be convinced when we get to the 5000 mark.

Erich66 on October 23, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Article #756 declaring Palin toast. I’ll be convinced when we get to the 5000 mark.

Erich66 on October 23, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Some men just can’t handle a strong willed woman, Erich.

HornetSting on October 23, 2009 at 12:50 AM

More and more Republicans seem to be realizing that nominating Palin would, as John McCain’s old campaign manager put it, be ‘catastrophic’ for the G.O.P.

And the problem with what would be?… I don’t give a good g*dda*m what happens to the GOP. I’m a conservative. The GOP can go kick rocks just like the Dems as far as I am concerned. Neither have anything in common with me.

Kataklysmic on October 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM

Kind of sad, in a way, that the only true son of Reagan is the one he adopted.

I’ve thought that too, many times. I can’t understand how Ron Jr. could possibly be the biological child of Reagan (or how Patty can be either, for that matter).

beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 12:58 AM

More and more Republicans seem to be realizing that nominating Palin would, as John McCain’s old campaign manager put it, be ‘catastrophic’ for the G.O.P.

And the problem with what would be?… I don’t give a good g*dda*m what happens to the GOP. I’m a conservative. The GOP can go kick rocks just like the Dems as far as I am concerned. Neither have anything in common with me.

Kataklysmic on October 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM

Hear Hear!

HornetSting on October 23, 2009 at 1:07 AM

So nice, I’ll say it twice:

Great. Compare her to a racist publicity hound and a Hitler-loving anti-semite.

Just dandy. Scum.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2009 at 1:09 AM

She’s the next George W. Bush because she’s basically a blank canvas for the Republican and Neocon establishment. Much different than Buchanan and his actual values.

The Dean on October 22, 2009 at 11:57 PM

1. Palin has no rich daddy.
2. HK Speech of Palin is totally a different cut from GWB or any leading politician. Nationalist, pro-security but NEVER imposing like Bush. She even welcomes the rise of China as world leader … a blaspheme to all previous and existing Republican Neocons.
3. She’s a Girl.
4. She has a very engaging personality. TALKATIVE in a very positive manner. Bubbha is annoying when he’s trying to be funny.

and ….

5. PALIN IS DEPENDING THE REAL LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVES.

FUNNY BUT GWB was rumored to say that “HE DEFEATED THE CONSERVATIVES”.

TheAlamos on October 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM

Past is NOT prologue. The paradigm has shifted. The comparisons are weak.

Buckeye Babe on October 23, 2009 at 12:36 AM

Exactly.

rrpjr on October 23, 2009 at 1:22 AM

Am I right in being confused that the picture is of Sarah Palin, but the comment of the day is not from her nor about her?For someone who is supposed to be a washed-up has-been, she is sure getting lots of exposure on the national scene.Heh.

Intrepid on October 23, 2009 at 1:23 AM

Palin is no Reagan. She lacks the charisma, the communication skills, the ideological credibility, and the willingness to take the heat. When Reagan was governor, he didn’t just quit midterm and walk away. Reagan would never have done that under any circumstances. To compare her to Reagan is obscene. She is an empty suit, like obama, coasting on a narrative created out of thin air by others. And like Obama the narcissist, she already has an autobiography out 30 years too soon.

keep the change on October 23, 2009 at 1:32 AM

How come no paragraph breaks?

Brass on October 23, 2009 at 1:39 AM

She is an empty suit, like obama, coasting on a narrative created out of thin air by others. And like Obama the narcissist, she already has an autobiography out 30 years too soon.

keep the change on October 23, 2009 at 1:32

Comparing Palin to Obamba?? That’s sicker than comparing her to Buchanan.

docdave on October 23, 2009 at 2:28 AM

FUNNY BUT GWB was rumored to say that “HE DEFEATED THE CONSERVATIVES”.

TheAlamos on October 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM

He made have made some mistakes, but MY President Bush would never say this, much less boast about it!

Sarah promises to be more Conservative, but stop wailing on Bush, please!
I just love the man and wish he were still President.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 2:34 AM

This is what inspires the comparisons to Buchanan and Jackson, both of whom enjoyed similarly large and loyal bases.

There is no reasonable you can take this tenuous link and honestly justify gratuitously adding this to the piece:

Buchanan’s vitriolic brand of cultural conservatism and isolationist foreign policy tendencies marked him as a frightening figure to Middle America

“Intellectual disgrace stares from every human face.”

snaggletoothie on October 23, 2009 at 2:34 AM

Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years
The decline in Barack Obama’s popularity since July has been the steepest of any precedent at the same stage of his first term for more than 50 years.

Link

Now that’s change you can believe in. Soon he will hit barock bottom.

Geochelone on October 23, 2009 at 2:41 AM

Geez, I hope Queen Elizabeth II lives to a very old age.

It is almost inevitable that Australia will become a Presidential Republic after she dies.

Imagine having to select both a Prime Minister and a President.

Lots to look forward to. NOT

Crux Australis on October 23, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Obama won in 2008, through guilt.

He will win in 2012 – with a reduced majority, through the guilt-ridden not wanting to appear stupid for voting him in the first time.

Palin should wait, and run in 2016.

OldEnglish on October 23, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Crux Australis on October 23, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Ditto.

OldEnglish on October 23, 2009 at 2:48 AM

Obama won in 2008, through white guilt.

FIFY.

He will win in 2012 – with a reduced majority, through the guilt-ridden not wanting to appear stupid for voting him in the first time.

He will not.
Not if I can help it.

Palin should wait, and run in 2016.

OldEnglish on October 23, 2009 at 2:47 AM

America can’t wait until 2016 and neither will Sarah Palin!

Best to stay in merry Old England, pal.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 3:07 AM

Imagine having to select both a Prime Minister and a President.

Lots to look forward to. NOT

Crux Australis on October 23, 2009 at 2:47 AM

Much better than having that twit Charles as King…
It will be the end of England.

What is with you British colonists and your love affair with monarchy?!
Elected officials who are “commoners” are far better governors than benighted figureheads blessed by “royal” birth.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 3:09 AM

What is with you British colonists and your love affair with monarchy?!
Elected officials who are “commoners” are far better governors than benighted figureheads blessed by “royal” birth.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 3:09 AM

What about the Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes,etc.???

Crux Australis on October 23, 2009 at 3:14 AM

What about the Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes,etc.???

Crux Australis on October 23, 2009 at 3:14 AM

They serve their elected terms and then go home.
Nice.

BTW, when America was founded, they wanted to make George Washington our first King and he REFUSED.
“We have no king but Jesus.” was his reply.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 3:19 AM

I think Palin is her own person, I would not really say she is either Buchanan or Reagan. These are different times as well.

However, my greatest fear in all this is that the Democrats will take advantage of any fracture in the opposition to maintain control over the federal government. I hear conservatives talk about Obama’s radical agenda, I know they despise Pelosi, but like it or not the way to stop them is to beat them politically. It is one thing to say you do not believe in power over prniciple and all that, but political power is the only that will stop the Obama agenda from being enacted.

So, I guess I feel conflicted by all this. On one hand I want to see more people like Palin in government, on the other hand I do not want a string of victories to the Democrats. Especially now. That would be completely counter productive.

I just hope that in the future these local parties will be more aware of what they are doing. If they had picked a better candidate in NY23 they could have avoided a lot of this. I also hope that if Daggett hands a victory to Corzine in NJ that will act as a reminder to how these third party races usually end on the national and state levels.

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:24 AM

America can’t wait until 2016 and neither will Sarah Palin!

Best to stay in merry Old England, pal.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 3:07 AM

I like Palin, I voted for her, but unless the landscape changes a lot out there between now and then, Palin probably can’t win in 2012. And right now, we need to stop Obama. The guy is trying to kick Fox out of the press pool. He seems to think he is King right now.

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:27 AM

He will win in 2012 – with a reduced majority, through the guilt-ridden not wanting to appear stupid for voting him in the first time.

Palin should wait, and run in 2016.

OldEnglish on October 23, 2009 at 2:47 AM

“Fool me once, shame on…” If Americans vote for this narcissistic cipher for a second time then she deserves to go to he*l exponentially faster than she already is.

Monarchies in this day and age are for tourism. Love Australia and Canada but have always held against them their lack of complete independence from such things as “queen as head of state”.

As far as England is concerned, so long as they’ll have one, may Elizabeth live to be 120, so as to avoid an even bigger embarrassment with Charles.

Yes, NO more Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes and Obamas. America doesn’t need foofie royals. Washington went home early. It w/b a blessing if all our politicians went home after one term. Otherwise we have this clusterf. They forget where they came from and why they’re there. They become snooty, from the left, to the right.

Most of all they exempt themselves from the laws they shove down our throats: social security, Medicare, ObamaCare, retirement programs and etc. Whores, with apologies to whores, are a much much more honest group of people.

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2009 at 3:34 AM

Palin is Bush-light not Buchanan.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 3:36 AM

Palin has also been writing op-eds with Bill Kristol lately advocating a neoconservative agenda.

She’s a redox of the Bush years.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 3:37 AM

Palin is no Reagan. She lacks the charisma, the communication skills, the ideological credibility, and the willingness to take the heat. When Reagan was governor, he didn’t just quit midterm and walk away. Reagan would never have done that under any circumstances. To compare her to Reagan is obscene. She is an empty suit, like obama, coasting on a narrative created out of thin air by others. And like Obama the narcissist, she already has an autobiography out 30 years too soon.

keep the change on October 23, 2009 at 1:32 AM

Pound for pound, the stupidest thing I have read all day. And I have read a LOT of stupid stuff!

Sarah Palin doesn’t have charisma? Are you kidding me? They could have invented the word for her!

This woman draws huge crowds where ever she goes to speak, and the folks are enthusiastic as hell about her. Even far left wingers like Lorne Michaels say she is one of the most engaging people they have ever met.

As for Reagan, she is indeed the very embodiment of Reagan. She has the same strong convictions, the same ideals. She walks the walk daily. Plus she has more balls than every male in the GOP combined!

And if you are too stupid to understand why she “quit” then you are too stupid to be commenting on it.

Lets see, Obama was a know nothing, no nothing Chicago street thug who became a state senator after a murdering terrorist and other Chicago communists helped him out.

Obama’s only claims to fame are the fact he set some sort of record for voting “present” the greatest number of times in history, and his supported actually murdering babies that had already been born!

Obama never run a city, never run a state, never run a lemonade stand. Oh, he DID help his murdering terrorist buddy hand out Annenberg’s millions out the left wing radical groups like ACORN, but it’s not like that took any amount of intelligence, or ability.

On the other hand, Palin, who HAS owned a business, a rough and highly dangerous business, where she has worked right alongside the toughest of men.

Sarah HAS run a city, and was on the council before that. She was even the president of the Council of Mayors in Alaska. It’s not a Nobel Prize, but then again, what is!

Sarah was chairman of the AOGCC, one of the more powerful jobs in the state. Oh, and she “quit” that one too to go after a bunch of corrupt Republicans, some of whom still wear orange jumpsuits!

Then she became Governor.

Here’s the deal, she did this all on her own. No dynasty, no latching on to hubby’s coattails, no help from terrorist friends and other assorted communist freaks!

As far as books go, it’s pretty obvious the demand is there, as the pre-sales are breaking all records.

Thanks for playing.

gary4205 on October 23, 2009 at 3:39 AM

“Fool me once, shame on…” If Americans vote for this narcissistic cipher for a second time then she deserves to go to he*l exponentially faster than she already is.

Schadenfreude:

My fear is not so much that the people will vote for Obama again, but that the vote against him will be split and he will win without a majority. That is why third parties can be dangerous, they can make it possible for someone like Obama to win with 43% of the vote. So hopefully, the opposition can unite by then.

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:40 AM

gary4025:

I don’t think Palin is popular enough outside her base to win a national election. That could change I hope, I would vote for her.

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:42 AM

Schandenfreude:

BTW, when you used the words narcissistic cipher I just assumed you were really talking about Obama.

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:44 AM

Palin has also been writing op-eds with Bill Kristol lately advocating a neoconservative agenda.

She’s a redox of the Bush years.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 3:37 AM

I love people that use words they don’t have a clue about.

No doubt, Sarah is a favorite of both Bill Kristol and Fred Barnes, in fact, it was a piece written by Barnes not long after she took office that introduced me to her.

But what are you talking about. I have yet to see her co-write anything, but her book, with anyone.

Can you provide some link to back up what you profess, or does this all just live in you drug addled mind?

gary4205 on October 23, 2009 at 3:47 AM

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:44 AM

I was.

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2009 at 3:49 AM

More and more Republicans seem to be realizing that nominating Palin would, as John McCain’s old campaign manager put it, be ‘catastrophic’ for the G.O.P.

Would these be the 73% of Republicans who say the G.O.P. leadership is out of touch with the base?

Didn’t think so.

jdkchem on October 23, 2009 at 3:50 AM

Schadenfreude on October 23, 2009 at 3:34 AM

If the guilt-ridden give Obama his second term, the guilt is assuaged.

Human nature is not very practical.

OldEnglish on October 23, 2009 at 3:51 AM

Spathi:

So Barnes and Kristol like her, so what? My God, Fred Barnes has been around forever. He started out when Reagan was in office.

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:52 AM

Schanefreude:

Okay. Gotcha.

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:52 AM

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 3:36 AM

You voted for Obamao. How else does one explain the wishful thinking and unsupportable claims?

jdkchem on October 23, 2009 at 3:53 AM

The wonderful thing about these columns is that they are very helpful in showing me what I don’t want. I would rather lose with a candidate I like than help one win that I loathe. I voted McCain in the last election but it was a mistake. The man didn’t inspire me and I never felt like he cared about my issues. Many of the so-called leadership expect us to throw our support behind the moderate they choose. They say we need to be open for the good of the party. No thanks. It’s about time the moderates learned to support conservatives. You RINOs don’t have to believe everything the conservatives believe but I would like you moderates to show some flexibility for once. I will support a conservative candidate like Palin and will not support Romney, Upchuckabee or any other that has betrayed the ideals that I hold dear. From what I read I would say that a lot of conservatives feel the same. Starting now I recommend moderates like AP and other moderates on this site think about ways they can overlook their biases and support a conservative candidate. This has to be a better use of your time than constantly shrieking about Palin.

Mormon Doc on October 23, 2009 at 3:53 AM

It’s sort of sad that on a day when the Obama administration went all Hugo Chavez on Fox News, that the quotes of the day are just boilerplate Palin fodder.

Allah, you usually do better.

notropis on October 23, 2009 at 4:00 AM

“it was a mistake.”

But was it, really? I mean, what were the other options? Was there even a choice that would have let you register your true feelings?

I mean, it might have been a waste, but it probably wasn’t a mistake.

notropis on October 23, 2009 at 4:03 AM

Terry says,

So Barnes and Kristol like her, so what? My God, Fred Barnes has been around forever. He started out when Reagan was in office.

Palin signs onto Bill Kristol’s letter

I hope he starts a PAC and gets her involved in that. Every “establishment” GOP presidential candidate should join his PAC’s that way the base knows who not to support.

Bush was like an enemy within. We have to defeat the neoconservative movement BEFORE we can defeat the dems. If you try to do it the other way around, then you get a Bush-Cheney-Palin type in there and all hell breaks lose again.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 4:06 AM

You voted for Obamao. How else does one explain the wishful thinking and unsupportable claims?

Voted Baldwin actually. I’ve never voted for a dem…ever.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 4:07 AM

You voted for Obamao. How else does one explain the wishful thinking and unsupportable claims?

I wasn’t in a swing state though.

If I had been, then I would have voted Obama. Actually I doubt it would have came down to one vote, so I might have gone Constitution Party anyway.

I was certainly favored Obama over McCain though, but mostly just because I didn’t like McCain.

It’s kind of like who do you dislike more.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 4:09 AM

I don’t think Palin is popular enough outside her base to win a national election. That could change I hope, I would vote for her.

Terrye on October 23, 2009 at 3:42 AM

They said the same thing about Reagan, as well, and we know how that turned out.

Time and time again, when a true conservative runs, they win and win big. Always have.

Even Obama had to pretend he was somewhat conservative to win.

Sarah is as true red blooded conservative as they come. Right now she is the conservative’s favorite, and of course, conservatives are the largest voting block. Saw a poll a bit back claiming that every state has a conservative majority.

Obama is bleeding independents at an alarming rate, they won’t be coming back. They gotta go somewhere.

As many others point out constantly, Sarah’s lows are as low as they can get. The media, Obama’s Alaska Mafia, and the traitors in the McCain campaign have thrown absolutely everything they have at her, and she’s still standing. They have no more ammo.

Sarah’s numbers can only go up as more and more people realize she isn’t the cartoon character that she has been painted as.

Again, as others have pointed out, she doesn’t have to move all that many people to win. If she gets all or most of the conservatives, and half of the indies, it’s over. She wins.

Now if she manages to also win over the Reagan democrats, and there’s no reason to say she can’t, well then you have a mandate when she takes office. It’ll look like 1980, at the very least.

Remember, three years out, Reagan was “toxic” and polling in the single digits against the “front runners.” Reagan was a washed up B-movie actor, and maybe even “dangerous!”

We know how that turned out.

I’m not saying it will be a cake walk, nor should it be. But it’s hard to see a scenario that doesn’t end up with her as the next President.

Also, remember, the “elites” were so afraid of Reagan, when he DID win the nomination, they ran THEIR candidate as an indie. It’s why Reagan only got 50.7% of the raw vote against Carter. It still wasn’t close, but it would have been interesting to see if Anderson wasn’t in the race.

I look at it like this. There are only two kind of people in this country, Palin supporters, and potential Palin supporters. That may be over simplified, but there you go.

Again, her numbers can only go up. Everybody else has played it safe, and their numbers have a long way to fall.

Obama, of course, is done. He is totally unre-electable.

gary4205 on October 23, 2009 at 4:09 AM

Oh man… RIP Soupy Sales

Ugly on October 23, 2009 at 4:18 AM

I hope he starts a PAC and gets her involved in that. Every “establishment” GOP presidential candidate should join his PAC’s that way the base knows who not to support.

Bush was like an enemy within. We have to defeat the neoconservative movement BEFORE we can defeat the dems. If you try to do it the other way around, then you get a Bush-Cheney-Palin type in there and all hell breaks lose again.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 4:06 AM

Oh geez, I forgot, you are a Ronulan. Shouldn’t you be off spanking your monkey to an Alex Jones video?

Yes, Sarah INDEED signed onto a letter telling Obama to either $hit or get off the pot! Even pledged her full support if he did the right thing.

No one WANTS to go to war, but when one does, you support the troops with every ounce of your soul. These brave men and women are putting their lives on the line so nimrods like you and I can sit here and argue on the interweb!

It’s criminal not to support the troops after you have sent them in harms way.

I don’t expect you to comprehend this, as you have proven time and again you aren’t operating on all cylinders.

Thanks for playing though, thanks for playing.

gary4205 on October 23, 2009 at 4:19 AM

Soupy

Ugly on October 23, 2009 at 4:20 AM

It’s criminal not to support the troops after you have sent them in harms way.

I do support the troops. Bring em home.

The Neocons have Palin under their thumb (as Al Franken would say!!) so their pushing her as their new Golden cow wanna-be Reagan it seems.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 4:22 AM

they’re

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 4:24 AM

I do support the troops. Bring em home.

Advocating bringing home the troops before they’ve achieved total victory isn’t “support.”
That would be the equivalent of throwing away all they’ve fought for over the last 8 years and totally wasting the lives of those who’ve given their lives in this fight against Islamist extremist terror!
To support the troops, you’ve got to support the mission.

The Neocons have Palin under their thumb (as Al Franken would say!!) so their pushing her as their new Golden cow wanna-be Reagan it seems.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 4:22 AM

Sarah is a Neo-Conservative in the truest sense: she believes in American exceptionalism and the muscular use of the American military and foreign and defense policy to maintain us as the world’s lone, but benevolent superpower.
She knows that our enemies must fear us and our friends must trust us.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 4:52 AM

Palin has also been writing op-eds with Bill Kristol lately advocating a neoconservative agenda.

She’s a redox of the Bush years.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 3:37 AM

Incorrect!
She has written no op-eds with Kristol, although I’m sure they are friends.

Palin signs onto Bill Kristol’s letter

Palin signed Kristol’s letter: this is not the equivalent of “writing op-eds.”
As concerned Conservatives, they’re using their voice to appeal to the Precedent to keep fighting and winning the Afghan front of the WOT.
Palin does this not only as a leading Conservative but as the mother of a soldier and a very concerned American!

Bush was like an enemy within. We have to defeat the neoconservative movement BEFORE we can defeat the dems. If you try to do it the other way around, then you get a Bush-Cheney-Palin type in there and all hell breaks lose again.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 4:06 AM

Tea Party movement=what Spathi calls “neoconservative movement”

If you don’t think hell is breaking loose now (after over 7 years of peace, security and domestic tranquility under the Bush Administration), you are crazy!
I’ve never seen this country in a bigger mess than it’s in right now under NObama.
Nothing could be worse than this.
Even Jimmy Carter wasn’t this bad!

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 5:02 AM

To support the troops, you’ve got to support the mission.

No you don’t. You just want to get more of them killed for PNAC’s war of terror. You support the neocons not the troops..

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:03 AM

Tea Party movement=what Spathi calls “neoconservative movement”

Paul started the teaparty movement during the presidential campaigns.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:04 AM

Paul started the teaparty movement during the presidential campaigns.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:04 AM

Uh, no.
He didn’t.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 5:05 AM

To support the troops, you’ve got to support the mission.

Get Ron Paul into the White House, and have him set the “mission.”

Then if you don’t like that mission, then you can go be “anti-troops” since you politicize them as you do.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:08 AM

No you don’t. You just want to get more of them killed for PNAC’s war of terror. You support the neocons not the troops..

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:03 AM

How about F*ck off?
I’ve been supporting the troops since I was born!
My dad proudly served in WWII, a member of the Greatest Generation.
And my family has fought in every American war since the Revolution.
For my own part, I donate to the USO, to Treats for Troops, I give Coffee to the Troops at bocajava.com and even bought them an air conditioner back in 2003 through Operation Air Conditioner.
So, you can kiss my a$$.
Unlike you, Barack and Ronnie Paul, I believe in our mission and know our fine VOLUNTEER troops can win this war because they believe in the mission, too.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 5:09 AM

Uh, no.
He didn’t.

Rick Santelli was the guy who called on more Tea Parties after the election. He was a Ron Paul support during the GOP primaries, and he loved the tea party movement.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:10 AM

Unlike you, Barack and Ronnie Paul, I believe in our mission and know our fine VOLUNTEER troops can win this war because they believe in the mission, too.

Well we need to get Ron Paul in their so we have a sane president to decide what the mission is so we can support it.

I don’t think supporting the troops means automatically supporting whatever screwball mission PNAC makes up.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM

Get Ron Paul into the White House, and have him set the “mission.”

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:08 AM

The only person who could possibly be a worse Precedent than Maobama would be that nasty Jew-hating Neo-Nazi crank Ron Paul!

He’ll never be President-Thank God!

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM

Damn. I am beginning to loathe the new Republican brand more than I do the Chicago mobster/socialist takeover. Given a choice between the two, make mine the socialists. Perhaps, if we get deep enough into that “fundamental change” that was promised by Obama before the election, people will begin to wake up and realize that this isn’t a high school football game. Republican victory is not an end unto itself.

Push it till it breaks.

Venusian Visitor on October 23, 2009 at 5:15 AM

Well we need to get Ron Paul in their so we have a sane president to decide what the mission is so we can support it.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM

The mission is already set.
It was voted on by a bi-partisan Congress after an 18-month long national discussion/argument in what was called the “rush to war.”
Men are fighting as we type and laying down their lives for this mission.
And a good deal of them have signed up for multiple tours of duty, because they believe in the mission.

BTW, I’ve never heard of any connection whatsoever between Rick Santelli (the “Father of the Tea Party”) and that loon Ron Paul.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 5:17 AM

Jenfide,

1) We need to change the mission.

2) Where do you think Santelli got the idea?—-> Ron Paul’s Tea Party’s during the presidential campaigns that were occurring BEFORE the generic tea parties.

Supposedly the Libertarian Party of Chicago suggested the idea to him. Someone will ask him eventually I hope so he clarifies from the man himself.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:26 AM

Deep down I do believe that Palin has no desire to form a 3rd party but to reform her own.

But what makes her dangerous is if she is able to become the titular head for both the Republicans and the Libertarians. That indeed would make SP very dangerous.

technopeasant on October 23, 2009 at 5:26 AM

The only person who could possibly be a worse Precedent than Maobama would be that nasty Jew-hating Neo-Nazi crank Ron Paul!

He’ll never be President-Thank God!

huh? what did you say?

As McCain would say…“Ignore the noise my friends.”

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:29 AM

1) We need to change the mission.

NO.
Neither you nor that loon Ron Paul are a General, the Secretary of Defense or the Commander-in-Chief and for that I am immensely grateful.

2) Where do you think Santelli got the idea? Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:26 AM

Santelli got the idea from a little thing called AMERICAN HISTORY.

I despise Ron Paul.
He could never have inspired, much less thought up the concept of the Tea Party Movement.
Besides, it happened spontaneously both on Santelli’s part and the Tea Party’s part.

Most Americans don’t want or need Ron Paul to tell them what to do.

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 5:31 AM

As McCain would say…“Ignore the noise my friends.”

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:29 AM

Bwahahahaha!
Some good that did him!

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 5:32 AM

Or was it the “static and noise” my friends.

Whateva

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:33 AM

Santelli got the idea from a little thing called AMERICAN HISTORY.

Well the Ron Paul movement got the Tea Party idea from American history in 2006-2007 presidential campaign.

That was Santelli’s main influence. He just expanded the movement to the GOP across the board rather than just the Ron Paul movement.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:35 AM

Well the Ron Paul movement got the Tea Party idea from American history in 2006-2007 presidential campaign.

That was Santelli’s main influence. He just expanded the movement to the GOP across the board rather than just the Ron Paul movement.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 5:35 AM

You must be swilling that Paultard Kool-Ade by the gallon!

Santelli kicked off the Tea Party movement by making some off-the-cuff remarks on the floor of Chicago Merc when NObama’s economy was tanking.
It had absolutely nothing to do with the loathesome Ron Paul.
If I thought it did–and wasn’t a genuine grassroots patriotic movement–I’d never give it a minute more of my time.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights belongs to all Americans
not just Ron Paul and his equally idiotic cult worshippers like you!

Jenfidel on October 23, 2009 at 5:42 AM

Jenfidel,

Except that the Ron Paul movement had tea parties going over a year in advance.

The Ron Paul movement did not get the idea from Rick Santellli because that happened AFTER the Ron Paul tea parties were already going.

Spathi on October 23, 2009 at 6:00 AM

Ron Paul? I don’t look good in those Ron Paul tin foil hats.

Jeff from WI on October 23, 2009 at 6:11 AM

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/old_grizzled_third

The Ron Paul Story

Jeff from WI on October 23, 2009 at 6:20 AM

Skip the above link, it’s incorrect

Jeff from WI on October 23, 2009 at 6:24 AM

Ol’ Sarah’s been on her own on the national stage (without the millstone that was the McCain campaign) for less than a year, so let’s see what happens as we keep getting closer to 2012. So far, so good: She’s been able to keep the lefties stirred up with a Facebook page, one speech in Hong Kong, and a new book. She also deprived them of a convenient pinata by resigning as governor. That says something. You don’t get the nickname “Sarahcuda” by being a wimp.

ncborn on October 23, 2009 at 6:37 AM

This is Waaaayyy different from Buchanan’s cranky day. Gov. Palin is a leader of a “majority” movement of conservative and right of left moderates who are appalled at the current direction of the country. If the Republican establishment doesn’t get it, they will be swept away. It’s on the bus, or off the bus baby.
Randy

williars on October 23, 2009 at 6:39 AM

AllahP is Penn Gillette

Ugly on October 23, 2009 at 6:49 AM

I just love the narrative from the people who fear Sarah Palin. That would be RINOs and liberals. Then we have the narrative from some posters on here who just come off as confused as to what or who they want to support. Sarah can’t win. Oh really? I think you’re arguments are premature. Rumors of her demise are also premature. Patience grasshopper.

donh525 on October 23, 2009 at 7:02 AM

The only person that “damaged” Bush 41 was Ross Perot. If we nominate another meely-mouthed middle-of-the-roader, I can imagine that happening all over again.

Kafir on October 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM

If we nominate another meely-mouthed middle-of-the-roader, I can imagine that happening all over again.

Kafir on October 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM

If conservatives do the nominating that won’t happen. Either we get control of the GOP or it’s new party (conservative} time.

donh525 on October 23, 2009 at 7:10 AM

In Palin’s favor for a 2012 run, besides her blessed conservative ideology, is that the media “vetting” has already been done. By then, the nonsense will be dry, old news, and the general public will have little palate for Palin gossip. Okay, the nutcases will, but there will always be nutcases.

Come late 2011, when the campaigns get rolling, Palin will be a serious player for POTUS. The rest is up to us.

pugwriter on October 23, 2009 at 7:21 AM

Congressional leaders talk in private of being boxed in by commentators such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh — figures who are wildly popular with the conservative base but wildly controversial among other parts of the electorate, and who have proven records of making life miserable for senators and House members critical of their views or influence.

I’m sorry but isn’t that one role of the media? To make life miserable for Congress? Without this tension Congress would rule like the House of Lords- without any regard for the public.

highhopes on October 23, 2009 at 7:23 AM

Come late 2011, when the campaigns get rolling, Palin will be a serious player for POTUS. The rest is up to us.

pugwriter on October 23, 2009 at 7:21 AM

You mean the presumptive GOP candidate as Rudy was in 2008?

I’m sorry but the days of the left and the left-leaning media have to end. If Palin wants to run for high office it has to be because the GOP wants her, not the NYT and Keith Olbhermann.

highhopes on October 23, 2009 at 7:33 AM

I’m sorry but isn’t that one role of the media? To make life miserable for Congress? Without this tension Congress would rule like the House of Lords- without any regard for the public.

highhopes on October 23, 2009 at 7:23 AM

Congress has become nothing but quasi royalty. It takes an act of God to get an incumbent out of office. The majority of voters are worshipers at the throne.

donh525 on October 23, 2009 at 7:36 AM

Oh, the media will continue to marginalize her as best they can for a while, especially early in the campaign, I just don’t think it will stick. I don’t expect her to be leading most polls going in to the primaries, but she will be impossible to discount.

But then I picked my beloved Cardinals to win the pennant this year, too. Take my predictions with a grain of salt.

pugwriter on October 23, 2009 at 7:46 AM

gary4205 = John Ziegler

rjl1999 on October 23, 2009 at 7:56 AM

With very few exceptions, it’s my experience that one cannot reason with libs, Huckies and RP supporters.

beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM

Don’t care what the liars and their masters of the WH put out about the woman. If she runs, I vote for her, maybe even campaign, which like attending a tea party will be a first for me.

OkieDoc on October 23, 2009 at 8:12 AM

BOXED IN?!?!?!?!

A candidate can make 5 to 10 statements about the core Conservative values.

And on EVERY other issue, “IS THAT AS IMPORTANT AS PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY OR ELIMINATING THE DEBT? DON’T DISTRACT ME FROM THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FACING OUR NATION!”

barnone on October 23, 2009 at 8:17 AM

Sarah Palin is so very much un-Pat Buchanan. She supports Israel, and (I’m sure) thinks the war against Nazi Germany was good and necessary.

rbj on October 23, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Once again, the left and liberal Repubs trying to tell us what’s best for the opposition party. I don’t recall Buchanan’s tenure as governor.

WordsMatter on October 23, 2009 at 8:22 AM

I like Sarah Palin very much, but I think that she’s lacking in experience to be President. It would have been good for her to serve as VP prior to a POTUS run. At this point, I’d rather have Michelle Bachman in the race if we’re looking for a woman to run in ’12. She’s just as conservative and much more experienced and articulate.

orlandocajun on October 23, 2009 at 8:24 AM

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