PPP poll: Obama 47, Huckabee 43
posted at 6:48 pm on October 22, 2009 by Allahpundit
This is the seventh time PPP has conducted this poll and the seventh time Huckabee has polled closest to Obama. Speaking to the weakness of the field of potential Republican candidates he’s the only with a positive favorability rating and even then it’s only 33/29…
Romney is actually the most popular of the Republican candidates with independents, sporting a 38/28 favorability rating with them and holding Obama to just a 41-40 lead. One thing he’ll probably have to contend with to a greater extent if he gets the 2012 nomination is his religion- 34% of respondents say they have an unfavorable opinion of it to 21% who look on it positively.
These monthly hypotheticals from PPP are always fun to blog, and it’s worth flagging this one if only so that we have an easy point of comparison for Palin’s ratings after her book drops, but look closely at the crosstabs and you’ll find some screwy data. For example, last month Huckabee’s favorable rating among Republicans was 70/12, better than even grassroots darling Sarahcuda’s at 69/22. This month? Palin’s at 72/18 while Huck stands at … 56/13, with fully 31 percent undecided. A 14-point drop in one month for no apparent reason? Smells fishy. Likewise, even PPP calls the drop in Palin’s favorable rating over the last few months “mystifying.” She’s only net +1 even in the south?
Head to head with Obama, she loses 52/40 — and in the south, she edges him by a solitary point. Anyone buying that? As for the numbers by age, she’s the only Republican named in the poll who loses a clear majority to Obama in every group. Even Pawlenty, whose overall numbers are worse than hers, manages to keep The One below 50 percent among those 46 and older. Exit question: Any predictions on where her favorable rating will be after the book comes out? Right now she’s at 36/51 and holding.
Blowback
Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.
Trackbacks/Pings
Trackback URL
Comments
Comment pages: « Previous 1 2
AP,
Did you even look at the polling data. It was 766 registered voters. No cross of Dem/GOP/Ind. Also there numbers do not add up.
ConservativePartyNow on October 22, 2009 at 7:34 PM
I’m still getting over HRC’s victory over Rudy in the GE last year. After all, wasn’t that what everyone said was going to happen?
Lou Budvis on October 22, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Yeah I’m sure that had nothing to do with the lefty Huckster supporting the Corn Ethanol cartel.
chicagojedi on October 22, 2009 at 7:35 PM
I agree, it’d be fantastic to see a conservative rock star/outsider emerge, but short of that?… I’d vote for Palin over Huckabee/Romney/Gingrich/Pawlenty any day of the damn week.
MoronThisLater on October 22, 2009 at 7:33 PM
MoronThisLater: So far,yes,SarahCuda is the only choice!
Sarah Palin seems the only one,willing
to fight!:)
canopfor on October 22, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Push poll… telling US who THEY want US to run.
CC
CapedConservative on October 22, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Look, I wish people would quit trying to take Sarah out of a race she hasn’t even entered. Can we all take a breather and see how she fares with her book and speaking engagements?
As far as Huck goes, I will not vote for him. He is a snake oil salesman with baptist populist credentials. I hope he is NOT the nominee. But then again, maybe it doesn’t matter since the republican party is a dead, dying inverted turtle at this point.
KickandSwimMom on October 22, 2009 at 7:42 PM
This is McCain all over again. Huck helped us get where we are now, no way Huckaphoney! Don’t Tread On Me
indiekole on October 22, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Jesus, the Unholy Alliance of the White House, the Mainstream Media, and Teh Mittens strikes again.
It won’t work, fellas. Sarah ain’t goin’ to quit.
victor82 on October 22, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Let me give you some counterintuitive information that suggests that Huck’s is actually falling back and that his previous support may have been “soft”:
1)Huck has dropped 12 points in his favorables (F) since August (45 to 33) and 5 points since September (38 to 33)and there are additional 12% who are in the “not sure” category as opposed to last month.
2)Huck as dropped 8 points in his conservative F in the last two months (61 to 53).
3)Huck lost 7 points in his F among men and 3 points in his F among women over the last 30 days.
4)Especially Huck lost 14 points, yes 14 points in his F among Republicans ( 70 to 56)over the last month.
5)And Huck lost 12 points in F among white voters in the last 60 days (50 to 38).
CONCLUSION:
Why is this happening to Huck who appears on the surface to have been breezing along for the last several months? I can only speculate but I think it may have something to do with the word that Palin’s book was going into release on November 17th and that evangelicals who shifted their surpport to Huck over the last couple of months may have decided to go into the undecided category. And that leads me to believe that Huck’s support may be “a yard wide but an inch deep”. Will he rebound in the next poll? Stay tuned.
technopeasant on October 22, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Exit Question: If these polls really mean anything, why do they even both with that whole election thingy?
MikeA on October 22, 2009 at 7:58 PM
txag92 on October 22, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Ya but will you shut up after she wins?
heshtesh on October 22, 2009 at 7:59 PM
As I mentioned in the Headlines thread. Huckabee is an excellent speaker. He’s an excellent debater. These numbers would change in a drastic manner for Huckabee after a debate with Obama. He would make Obama look silly.
apacalyps on October 22, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Huckabee? Why not? I prefer Romney but maybe Hugh Hewitt has brainwashed me.
Either way they are both smart, decent men I’d vote for either in the general.
Anders on October 22, 2009 at 8:06 PM
txag92 on October 22, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Before your assigned to Hot Air tomorrow could you have them change the tape?
heshtesh on October 22, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Folks who are Palin supporters let me give you some solace:
1) See my above post on Huckabee’s declining favorables in many categories that few people have pointed out
2)In a head to head matchup with Obama Sarah has gained 3 points (53-38 to 52-40)
3)although Sarah has lost 8 points among conservatives in the last 3 months (73-65) she still leads Huck by 12 points and Romney by 16 points.
4)Sarah is leading in Hispanic F among the 3 front leaders Palin 40 Huckabee 38 Romney 34.
5)And finally at 72 F Sarah has a 16 point lead over Huck and a 18 point lead over Mitt among Republicans. I would call that significant especially with 80% of voters in the 2008 GOP primaries being Republican members and that number expected to be the same in 2012.
technopeasant on October 22, 2009 at 8:17 PM
So either way we’re screwed.
antoniojvr on October 22, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Aggie, you sound like you either went to UT or maybe you’ve just been hanging out with some of those orange people. Come back to the maroon & white…there is always hope that the good, conservative underdogs can win! You should know that! Reality never let me believe that a group of Chicago Marxist thugs would take over America and swipe our freedoms away on a daily basis…while the media and the people just sat by and let it happen. Just repeating something doesn’t make it true. Conservatives working together for the cause of saving America from the wrath of Marxism will foster a true leader to emerge….and it just might end up being Mrs. Palin. Be patient…and Gig ‘Em!
redwhiteblue on October 22, 2009 at 8:25 PM
No presidential election this week or next.
Horse, then cart. In that order.
ted c on October 22, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Sssssssssssssssssss.
Cicero43 on October 22, 2009 at 8:29 PM
In one week we have Huckabee beating Romney, Palin, Gingrich, Pawlenty in the Rasmussen poll. Then we have Huckabee beating Romney head to head in the Rasmussen poll. Today we have Huckabee within the margin of error with Obama in PPP and y’all are saying that the polls are fake.
Huckabee stands up for what he believes in and is not afraid to tell the folks where he stands. But, he does it in a non-offensive way, which can be inviting to the independents and democrats. They may not agree with him on the issues, but they like him and trust him.
Huckabee has more governing experience than Romney, Palin and Pawlenty combined. Heck you can even throw in Obama’s executive experience and still Huckabee has the most.
The Washington insiders and the money men of the party may not want Huckabee, but it looks like the folks may say differently.
texasconserv on October 22, 2009 at 8:29 PM
He or Romney will NEVER get my vote or financial support.
rlwo2008 on October 22, 2009 at 8:38 PM
OT:
Mark Levin just read from Sarah Palin’s Facebook that she has endorsed Doug Hoffmann.
technopeasant on October 22, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Really? I thought they were daily. Silly me.
Cindy Munford on October 22, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Until they realize they’ve been suckered by Huck.
beachgirlusa on October 22, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Why aren’t my comments showing up?
beachgirlusa on October 22, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Wow, the Huckster would still lose. Stop the presses! I’m so excited!
Jeff from WI on October 22, 2009 at 8:55 PM
I want to thank AP, Ed and all of the staff of Hot Air for turning a nauseating two year presidential campaign into a three and a half year campaign of dry heaves.
TwinkietheKid on October 22, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Where’s the part where Meghan McCain beats Palin by 30 points?
Dr. ZhivBlago on October 22, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Alright, Anders! Well, done. See, the truth is slowly getting out. This is one of the great things about Huckabee’s new hit TV show on Fox News is that he is able to show people that he is qualified on the issues and show them he is a solid conservative.
apacalyps on October 22, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Best laugh I’ve had all day.
beachgirlusa on October 22, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Huckabee is horrible. He has done a good job hiding his rotten record and political hypocrisy so he does decent in some polls where he represents the (R). Under a microscope you see the liberal streak and vindictive nature (see the West Virgina Caucus, 2008) of this lightweight, empty suit.He would get shellacked by Obama no matter the state of the nation. He is all of Obama\’s incompetence without the charm or speaking ability. His politics are McCain wearing a cross.Which reminds me….why does he have all this cred with religious folk. It looks like an act to me….being from a religious family, ive never got the feeling religion is anything but a banner for him to carry. He doesnt project anything but creepy late night tele-evangelist to me.We need to nip this Huckabee thing in the bud– I dont want him allowed to be a factor in 2012…..thats how we got McCain…..Huckabee is the kind of guy that will sabotage the whole nomination process if he thinks he is going to lose. I just dont understand how anyone could see the guy as a leader or an example of what the Republican party should look like-He makes me feel kind of ill, actually.
alecj on October 22, 2009 at 9:44 PM
This is one of the great things about Huckabee’s new hit TV show on Fox News is that he is able to show people that he is qualified on the issues and show them he is a solid conservative.
apacalyps
Best laugh I’ve had all day.
beachgirlusa on October 22, 2009 at 9:39 PM
+1000
alecj on October 22, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Allah, would you vote for Huck against the One?
Diane on October 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM
The one? NO!
Alfresco on October 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM
If I want your opinion, I’ll give it to you.
apacalyps on October 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Pinky and the Brain have arrived, lol.
apacalyps on October 22, 2009 at 10:39 PM
alecj on October 22, 2009 at 9:44 PM
+1
ORconservative on October 22, 2009 at 10:58 PM
I think your all missing Liz Cheney. She really knows how to hold her own.
Bambi on October 22, 2009 at 11:09 PM
To be frank, I need to read up more on Huck. I can say that even though he appears, on the outside, to be a solid Conservative, there are two things that make me instinctively mistrust him:
The first is his still-unexplained move in the primaries to continue running long after he had fallen back and served no purpose but to split the Conservative vote. It seemed oddly vindictive toward Romney and it still does today. To a great extent, I think we have Huck to thank for having McCain as our nominee. And no, I’m not a raging Mitt fan, but he would’ve been a helluva lot better than McCain.
The second is – and YES, I am showing my bias, albeit one based on long experience – the fact that the only Huck fans I know are Baptists and/or Evangelicals. Granted, this is only anecdotal, but it appears to me that Huck’s primary appeal is his common religious views with many people. I’m Christian, too, but I struggle to relate to Evangelicals, whose practice of the religion seems dramatically different from mine. By no fault of his own, Huck’s image is a reflection of the people I know who support him, and that doesn’t cast him in the best light.
So, for me, the jury’s still out on Huck, but I tend to prefer Palin at the moment. We’ll see how things look in a couple years.
Animator Girl on October 22, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Alecj is making himself look dumb and you’re applauding him? Are you absolutely insane?! Alecj hasn’t a clue. Check it out. I’ll show you he doesn’t have a clue as to what he was talking about. He said… alecj just said, “He (Huckabee) is all of Obama’s incompetence without the charm or speaking ability.” OK, forget the incompetence part, blah, blah. I could defend against that with facts. Here’s the part I wanna show you that proves how out to lunch alecj is — when you say Mike Huckabee has no charm or speaking ability — OK, that’s incompetence. Everybody knows Governor Mike Huckabee is the best speaker, best debater and most charismatic of the Republican candidates. Not only that, but he makes a lot of witty remarks and can be very funny. OK. Even his critics admit to this. When you post a big long message arguing otherwise is simply nonsense. It shows you don’t have a clue. That’s what you clapped for ORconservative. A dumb poster making himself look dumber.
apacalyps on October 22, 2009 at 11:53 PM
I didn’t like Huck from the first, anyone with the slightest bit of discernment can tell a phony right off the bat, its why so many people use the words “snake-oil salesman” to describe him. The garbage he pulled with regard to Romney alone, (and no, I’m not Mormon/LDS) merely solidified my initial gut reaction of distrust and I was right.
beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 12:15 AM
apacalyps is the perfect example lol
A troll is a troll, of course, of course….
beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Keeyriemenee!!!! We have at least two years before any serious polling is started.
Puhleeeeeeezzzzzzz….
Amendment X on October 23, 2009 at 12:33 AM
I won’t vote for the Huckster on a bus. I won’t vote for the Huckster even if I must.
I will not eat blue eggs and ham, Sam I Am.
wildcat84 on October 23, 2009 at 12:40 AM
LOL
beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 1:08 AM
I just threw up at the thought of having to support Obama.
petunia on October 23, 2009 at 1:12 AM
Madison Conservative,
That’s an unfair post against Mike Huckabee..the same way that the Club for Growth showed that video when Huckabee was in the primary.
What happened that you don’t report or CFG doesn’t report is that Mike Huckabee had to BALANCE THE BUDGET in Arkansas and he knew that the Democratic Legislature had vetoed anything he had tried to do to balance the budget…so he said those words to get them to do SOMETHING that would help balance the budget.
Don’t show only one side to a story…be fair to Huckabee! You want everybody to be fair to Sarah…so give him a break too!
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 1:26 AM
BeachGirlUSA,
No, you were not right about Mike Huckabee..he is not a snake oil salesman…you are confused. That title should only belong to Mitt Romney. He’s the candidate who tells the voters whereever he goes just what they want to hear..that’s called pandering. He’s the candidate who can’t make up his mind what he believes about the issues..flip flopper anyone! He is the person who is not trustworthy like a snake oil salesman…say whatever you can to get the sale (votes).
Mike Huckabee doesn’t do that. Why do you think the Washingon Elite can’t stand him..he won’t worship at their feet..he is his own man.
He went to Israel (his 11th time), and the reporters asked him what he thinks about Pres. Obama’s policy to DEMAND the Israelites stop building in their own country (Gaza Strip). Because Mike Huckabee is a private citizen, not an elected official in America right now, he said that America should not be telling another country where they can build in their own country. That’s like some other country coming here and telling us we can’t do construction in Manhatten!! Would America stand for that? No way, and Israel shouldn’t have to either. He also stated his support for a 1-state govt in Jerusalem, not a 2-state that Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama and everybody else has supported for years. Huckabee said that all the recent times that the Israelites have given in to the Palestinians, what did they get in return? They had rockets shot over the fence into Israel from the Hamas because they had more access in Gaza. What do you think would happen if Israel and Palestine share Jerusalem…Hamas and Al Quada would have a field day killing the Jews every day with their martyrs. This took real leadership on Mike Huckabee’s part because no other President has had the guts to say this. He didn’t go along with the crowd.
Mike Huckabee immediately apologized for that comment (which is the only thing he did against Mitt Romney or the Mormon religion), and then he apologized twice to the Mormon people. What more did you want him to do? He made a mistake…he isn’t perfect,but neither are any of the other candidates or any of us.
If you had followed Mike Huckabee, you would know he is the most consistent candidate…he stands up for the principles he has always had. He didn’t change them to win the position of Governor in a very Democratic state, Arkansas. (unlike someobody else we know). MH maintained his positions against abortion even in that Democratic state, and I think they respected him for that. How about you???
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 1:43 AM
Animator Girl,
Thank you for NOT making up your mind definitely against Mike Huckabee.
I think Mike Huckabee stayed in the race for two reasons:
1. Because he really wanted to give the states left to go in the primary a reason to come out and vote. If he left the race and McCain was declared the winner, most of those states’ voters wouldn’t even come to the polls. Maybe even if they couldn’t stand McCain..they had no other choice. Obviously it was a VERY long shot for MH to win, but he took the lumps from the MSM and (people like you) who wanted him to quit. He never put down McCain, so he didn’t hurt him by staying in the race.
2. He spent his money (even though he didn’t have much), and didn’t QUIT! He still was in the black when he left the primary race..the only candidate who didn’t owe millions in the red after they left the primary. You wouldn’t believe all the people from all over the country who thanked MH for not QUITTING until he really had lost…until John McCain had the electoral votes to win. Until Texas, after which Huckabee left the race, McCain had not gained the number of electoral votes to win. He really gave McCain a lot more attention than he would have got in the MSM because Hillary and Obama were in the news all the time. After Mike Huckabee left the primary, John McCain complained because he didn’t get any press.
Mike Huckabee is supported by Christians more than any other candidate. I’m not only speaking about Evangelicals, but in the last Rasmussen poll, he was supported by all types of Christians. BUT, to get over 30% of the vote in that poll shows he is ALSO supported by Independents, non-Christians and Dems. Even in this poll, he is the candidate closest to beating Obama…do you really think he could be that close with only Christian voters? In one of these PPP polls a few months back, Mike Huckabee won the highest number of Independent and Democratic votes…more than Romney. That shows you how much his base is growing. This is probably because he has a huge audience who watches his, “Huckabee” show on Sat & Sun at 8:00 p.m. EST. They are seeing who MH is and what he believes about Obama and the issues and they are liking him more and more. How about you…why not watch his show and make up your own mind?
Personally I am an Evangelical and I try to accept other people no matter what kind of religion they practice. Does that mean I agree with their religious practices..no, but we have freedom of religion in this country and everybody has the right to practice what they want. Mike Huckabee has stated this same principle many times. Remember, during the debates he was the only candidate asked religious questions even though Mitt Romney was a Bishop in the Mormon religion. They did this so people who aren’t Christians would be turned off by Mike Huckabee (the Christian pastor). MH even commented one time during one of the debates that he wanted other questions besides religious ones..he wanted to discuss his record in Arkansas.
There was a lot of misinformation about his record from Romney and the Club for Growth, but Mike Huckabee didn’t have the money to put ads out to correct the record. Yes, he is a Christian and not ashamed of it. He has said it is what defines him. He means he trys to live as a Christian every day and not just SAY he is a Christian.
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 2:10 AM
AlecJ,
I want to tell you the truth about the W.VA caucus. After the first round, neither Mitt Romney nor Mike Huckabee had enough votes to win (50+1). So, Ron Paul came up to MH and said he would tell his supporters to vote for MH if MH would give him the delegates if he wins. Mike Huckabee agreed (BTW, this is normal and happens at every caucus that doesn’t have a clear winner during the first round. The other candidates work deal) BUT Mike Huckabee did NOT have a deal with John McCain. John McCain was way down in the votes in the first round, so his supporters automatically voted for Mike Huckabee rather than Mitt Romney who they thought was McCain’s biggest rival. Did you think they would vote for Romney?? Come on, even you can figure that one out! So much for your vindictiveness from Mike Huckabee.
Just maybe he gets all of his credentials with the Christians because he used to be a “Pastor”. Yes, he also “LIVES” his Christian faith, not just talk about it and people who have paid attention to MH (unlike you obviously) saw that in him.
BTW, Mike Huckabee is the BEST communicator, speaker and debater in the Republican Party, including Sarah Palin. He can handle himself very well with the MSM questions and he has liberals on his show every week and does very well debating with them. That’s why he would be the best nominee from the Republican Party because he would shine during his speeches and debates.
Why don’t you watch his show and then you would know more about Mike Huckabee instead repeating lies that you have heard?
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 2:23 AM
For all of you Repubicans (Conservatives), this poll is made up of voters just like you who happen to believe Mike Huckabee is Presidential material and somebody who relates to them. I wish you would stop with your snobbery comments calling him a country bumpkin in such a derogatory manner. If we don’t win in 2012, it will be because of Conservatives??? like you who think you are so much better than a man who HAS SHOWN lots of leadership (10 1/2 years as Gov. of Arkansas means more executive experience than any of the other 2008 candidates, both Republican and Democrat). He did a great job in Arkansas…being voted for two terms with it being a Democratic state, showed that most of the voters thought he did a good job in Arkansas. For people who say they won’t vote for Huckabee if he wins the nomination are showing their ignorance about who Huckabee is and what his record really is in Arkansas. They would rather elect Obama than swallow their pride and support the Republican nominee…that’s what is really sick!
Also, Alluh has just reported this poll, he didn’t make it up…so why blame him for what it says.
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 2:35 AM
Notropis,
Mike Huckabee has the #1 cable show on the weekend with over 4,000,000 viewers (voters)….not just 1M. Obviously you have never watched his show. Why don’t you watch him so the next time you post, maybe you will have a better grasp on the truth!
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 2:45 AM
Technopeasant,
You have a point with your numbers about Mike Huckabee. I guess we will just have to wait and see what the future polls show.
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 2:55 AM
Phony? Romney was the phony. He had a lot of nerve to attack other Republicans, particularly on issues he himself has flipped on. Governor Huckabee has fought his whole life protecting innocent un-born children. For Romney to compare his pro-life stance to Huckabee’s and then turn around and attack him was absolutely disgusting. You’re just as dumb as Alecj who was just telling everybody that Huckabee isn’t a good speaker.
Either you’re a liar or ignorant of Mormon theology (what Mormons believe) because if you knew what Mormons believe then you’d understand that Mike Huckabee’s question was very relevant especially when Romney was calling himself a Christian to appeal to Evangelicals. What the Mormons do is insult the intellectual integrity of Christians everywhere by insinuating that Mormonism and Christianity share the same philosophical tenets. And you clowns let them do it.
apacalyps on October 23, 2009 at 2:56 AM
Ordinarily people live and learn, but you, you just live.
apacalyps on October 23, 2009 at 3:00 AM
I’ll take polls seriously when the 2012 election is closer.
However, the economy will most likely be in a bad shape around that time and it will be the predominant factor in who people will vote for in that election.
Hence, Mitt Romney will make a excellent candidate given his business and political experience in fixing organizations which are facing economic problems.
Palin and Huckabee don’t have that.
Conservative Samizdat on October 23, 2009 at 3:57 AM
Excuse me…but Mormons are Christians. There are theological differences between Mormons and Christians just as there are with Evangelicals and Catholics or any other differences between one Christian faith and another.
The LDS faith may not be your kind of Christian but they are of the Christian faith.
The term “Christian” is so arbitrary and vague because between denominations, theologians, and comparative religionists there are considerable disagreements about which groups can be “properly” called Christian, disagreements that arise primarily from doctrinal differences between groups.
Those who study comparative religion have objectively placed the LDS faith in the Christian family of religion.
Generally speaking, all a Christian is someone who believes that (1) Christ was the Son of God who was sent to earth, born in Bethlehem, and (2) died on the Cross to atone for the sins of man kind.
Thus, the problem is that when Christians demand that Mormons stop describing themselves as “Christian,” they leave us with no good way to acknowledge what is at the core of our theology, which is—sorry-Christians—Christ’s atoning sacrifice. All of the weirdness—the pre-mortal existence, the three distinct (and physical) personages of the Godhead, boy prophets digging up gold plates in the woods, strange and mysterious undergarments—none of it means anything without Christ.
You may disagree with the doctrines of the LDS Church but it is a CHRISTIAN religion. If you want to learn more about about the various objections to why Mormons are not Christians and the LDS response to such objections, I suggest you start here.
I think its an insult to intellectual integrity of Christians everywhere by insisting that one religion is more “Christian” than another. Its the same kind of insult when some black people telling other black people that they’re not “authentically” black because they don’t behave the same way that they do.
People hate it when they let others decide if they are or are not “authentic” members of whatever group they are a part of. And that’s what is going on here when you say that Mormons are not Christians.
Conservative Samizdat on October 23, 2009 at 4:18 AM
“….no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
Article VI U.S. Constitution
beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 7:39 AM
With very few exceptions, it’s my experience that one cannot reason with libs, Huckies and RP supporters.
beachgirlusa on October 23, 2009 at 8:01 AM
For such a weak showing last time, selling out Romney for his religion, A$$ kissing the man handpicked by the RNC that lost our election, a bleeding heart for immigration, Huckleberry is finished before he starts. Lets hope the RNC is smarter than this.
bluegrass on October 23, 2009 at 8:09 AM
We need a retired military officer to run and just kick Obama’s ass all across the country.
I can’t get enthused about any of the current candidates. Too many flaws and too much for the MSM to slander them with.
NoDonkey on October 23, 2009 at 9:16 AM
I predict Huckabee will fade as time goes on. Palin is only now agreeing to do interviews. He’s had his TV show.
AnninCA on October 23, 2009 at 10:13 AM
I don’t agree Huckabee will fade as time goes on because since he’s had his show in the last year, his popularity continues to rise with Independents and Democrats because they are seeing who he is and where he stands on the issues that are important to them. Now IF he runs in 2012, he will have to leave his TV and radio programs, but the people who have seen him and have changed their minds about him from the last election or just found out who he is will not forget when it comes time to vote. I’m not saying they will choose MH, but at least he will have a much better chance in 2012.
I have my personal opinions about religion, but I will not put down any other religion because it’s not mine. I might not agree with them, but we all have our own beliefs. Personally I like Mike Huckabee because he lives by his Christian faith, not just mouthing it, which means a lot to me. I am not bigoted against other religions, and I know Mike Huckabee isn’t either. He has stated many times he accepts people from other religions. He doesn’t like Mitt Romney because he has no principles that he stands up for.
He trys to tell people what he thinks they want to hear to get their votes (pandering). He changed his positions to run as Gov. and Senator in Mass., then changed his positions to run as President. How could people trust him not to change his positions again???
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Bluegrass,
If Mike Huckabee is finished before he starts why is he leading in most of the polls as the #1 Republican to run in 2012? In the Rasmussen poll, Mike Huckabee got 29%, Romney 24% and Palin 22%. You don’t get 29% in the polls if the only voters are the Evangelicals voting for you. Remember the polls are taken randomly (not by faith, etc.).
So it looks like Mike Huckabee has only just begun! I think there is a song out there about that. LOL
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Conservative Sanizdat,
People think Mitt Romney has GOOD business sense, but it didn’t translate into how he governed in Mass. During the time he was Gov. in Mass, most other states had improved their unemployement, but Mass. was one of the worst states for that.
Of course, the votes won’t forget about his Ronmneycare which has almost bankrupted that state and is very liberal. Romney likes to say he is a Conservative, but his record in Mass. speaks otherwise.
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Hmmmm.
@ AllahPundit
Who gives a rat’s ass about polls?
Polls are meaningless drivel unless the selected polling population is precisely indicative of the voting population at the time of election. And even then polling is irrelevant -until the time of election-.
Hell I’ve been involved in politics for over twenty years now and I have yet to -ever- be included in any poll that wasn’t an online poll. A member of the GOP for years and I never got a phone call asking for my opinion.
So go ahead and keep wanking off on these polls about Palin. Meanwhile it accomplishes nothing constructive and frankly just makes me think you are engaging in some ridiculous self-masturbatory nonsense.
memomachine on October 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Hucklebuck is nothing but a puppet for Don Tyson. Follow the money trail and I’m sure it will lead to the fact that it’s Tyson who’s been paying for these polls showing Huck as the most electable Republican against Obummer. Tyson plucked Huck from his tent revival medicine show and made him lieutenant governor and then governor of Arkansas. If, by some unlikely miracle, Huck were to win the White House, we’d get Tyson pulling the strings behind the scenes instead of George Soros. That’s no deal at all. It’s like exchanging Dr. Evil for Frank Nitti.
Percy_Peabody on October 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM
All I know is I’ll vote for anyone as long as their name is not Barack Hussein Obama…Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmmm……
adamsmith on October 23, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Don’t bet the farm on it, you’ll lose. Bet you like the Little Rockers huh
bluegrass on October 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM
I have my personal opinions about religion, but I will not put down any other religion because it’s not mine. I might
Again, you’re implying that Huckabee is more “Christian” than Romney is because Huckabee lives by his Christian faith. How do you know that Mitt Romney doesn’t live by his Christian/LDS faith? How do you know that Romney merely professes his belief in Christ but doesn’t live it?
Many people will disagree with you on that. Some people think Huckabee is also mouthing his faith and not actually living it.
For example, if Jesus had a son, what would he do if he found out his son was violating state animal-cruelty laws.? Would Christ try to quash the investigation into that matter?
Is that an acceptable thing for a Christian…especially a minister…to do? Sweep that incident under the rug?
I’m sure he raised his son to be a good law abiding Christian boy when his son tried to carry a gun into an airport.
If Huckabee really accepted people from other religions, why did he make Romney’s faith an issue? Why did he pretend ignorance on LDS doctrine only to contradict himself by revealing that he does know alot about LDS doctrine? Why did other members of his campaign staff also bring up various aspects of LDS doctrine?
Mike Huckabee claiming that he doesn’t like Mitt Romney becuase he believes that he doesn’t stand up for the principles he advocates is a weak accuse to hide his dislike for the LDS faith.
Its also a case of the kettle calling the pot black. Many people think Huckabee doesn’t have any principles to stand for either.
Conservative Samizdat on October 23, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Conservative Samizdat,
You are really being petty about Mike Huckabee. Who cares about his dog??? Who cares about his son??? Do you think the voters will care what his son did or did not do with a dog??? Come on…be real! We as parents cannot be responsible for everything our children do…Mike Huckabee was a parentl
Did I compare Mike Huckabee and how he lives his Christian faith with Romney??? I never even mentioned Romney, you ASSUMED THAT I WAS COMPARING THE TWO. Shame on you! I am talking about lots of Christians who go to church on the weekend and never even try to live each day according to how Jesus wants us to. Why do you as an LDS have such a chip on your shoulder. It is MY feelings that I CARE about the values the next President would have. I know Mike Huckabee has excellent values.
Mike Huckabee was asked many questions from that reporter for over one hour trying to get MH to say something against the Mormon religion. Mike Huckabee finally asked the reporter one question about the Mormon religion, which he shouldn’t have done, and he apologized for it right away to Mitt Romney. He apologized twice to the people of Mormon faith, once when he was on Larry King show…I saw the tape, and I don’t remember when the second time was. That is the ONLY time he brought up Mitt’s faith. I have heard other LDS people claim that Mike Huckabee was putting out an ad that stated that he was a Christian Leader in Iowa which really meant that he was saying Mitt Romney wasn’t. Just like you ASSUMED what I meant by making an innocent comment about Mike Huckabee trully living his Christian faith and thinking I was comparing it to Romney, is just what all the Mormons did when they thought that ad was against Romney. Mike Huckabee knew that Iowa had a lot of Evangelical christians, and he wanted them to know that he was a leader and a Christian….that’s all!! Do you see how something so innocent like my comment and Mike Huckabee’s ad can become twisted into something it’s not? I don’t know of anybody on his campaign staff that said something about the LDS religion. Are you ashamed of your religion that you don’t want anybody to ask you about it? I would welcome anybody to ask me about my Christian faith. After the terrible repercussions from asking that question from the reporter, do you really think Mike Huckabee would want more trouble by having his staff continue to bring it up. I’m sure he would have wanted the whole situation to be resolved.
It is the TRUTH that Mike Huckabee doesn’t like Romney because of his lack of principles and how he attacked him with his half-truth ads that hurt MH so much. Mitt Romney and his surrogates “donated” $500,000 to the Club For Growth during the time of the Iowa primary. The CFG was viciously attacking Mike Huckabee every day and running millions of dollars in ads against him. You you think that was just a coincidence??? I don’t!!! It is in the public records that showed this “donation”. When Mike Huckabee was President of the Governor’s Assoc., he was friends with Mitt Romney. It wasn’t until the primary that Mitt showed his true colors. None of the other candidates liked Mitt either because he was the only one running critical ads against the other candidates. That’s against the 11th Commandment of Reagan that you don’t do that against your own party. Everybody did that except Mitt….later in the campaign, John McCain started putting out critical ads against Romney too. Many times I have heard Mike Huckabee say he has nothing against other religions. When he was Gov. of Arkansas, he didn’t force his religion on those people. He is not a bigot, and neither am I. You just seem to have a huge chip on your shoulder. Not everybody is talking about the Mormon faith all the time.
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Remember in the last few days, Matt Lewis had a article in Politics Daily about Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney..of course he completely dissed Huckabee. The following article is in response to Matt Lewis’s article from Kevin McCullough from Townhall. Everybody please read, it’s very interesting:
“Why my friend Matt Lewis, is absolutely wrong…
Posted by: Kevin McCullough at 12:24 PM
I look forward to the 2012 election cycle. I’ve been writing about it since November of last year.
I’ve defended the three top names in the GOP field each against scurrilous attacks from the media that seeks to demonize anything non-Obama. And within the Republican ranks the dirt is already flying.
For Sarah Palin the mud slinging against her never really stopped. Between McCain camp operatives that should be booted from the GOP and not welcomed back, the pervy antics of pervy David Letterman, all the way to opportunistic ex-boyfriends of her daughter who is prostituting himself for ten more seconds of fame, Palin has endured lie after lie, attack after attack, and has done so with grace. I have defended her against other conservatives who said she did the wrong thing in stepping down from office. Practically speaking there is NO WAY that she could run a “lower 48″ campaign for President, raise the money necessary, attend events, and be where she needs to be–while governing Alaska. Her resignation allows her successor plenty of time to stand strongly for reelection in her state.
Romney’s conversion to conservatism in the last election was strongly questioned. But his continual laying out of his policy positions and his fervor with which he committed himself to those positions, particularly at places like Values Voter Summit demonstrated, in my mind a clear demarcation of accountability that he was willing to be measured. His critics like Sandy Rios and Gregg Jackson continued to openly question his commitment to his pro-life, pro-marriage positions, long after his elimination from contention in 2008. Jackson et al going so far as to continue to spam with unwanted e-mail a large number of conservative “prominents” nearly once weekly until McCain had named Palin as his running mate. I personally interviewed the Governor multiple times, had in depth discussions openly, it is my personal opinion that the Governor was then and has been since, deeply committed to his conservative principles.
Governor Huckabee though has, as I’ve already stated multiple times in print, positioned himself as the absolute front-runner for the nomination in 2012. In securing his weekly gig with Fox News Channel, the highest rated cable weekend show of all the news networks, he has established for himself a brand, messaging platform, and a wide variety of issue related subjects that will be nearly impossible for his opponents to attempt to steal from him in 2012. (Which is exactly what Romney’s people–not the governor personally–attempted to do in 2008.) A dozen or so Romney-related PAC’s ran a covert slime operation so sinister against Huckabee in 2008 that it literally poisoned the well. The National Review ran with the plan, albeit unknowingly I believe, and assisted the mega-phoning of the distortions of Huckabee’s positions in ways that defy credulity. As a result Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and Peggy Noonan were all highly influenced by the Romney-staffer malfeasance and repeated these distortions and in some places lies about Huckabee. Again I believe that Rush, Ann, and Peggy depended highly upon the credibility of NRO in repeating the distortions. The National Review also never ran a negative story on Romney, and repeatedly ran pieces distorting Huck’s record and even his campaign positions. It was to no surprise that NRO ended up endorsing Romney.
So what does all of this have to do with my friend Matt Lewis?
To be candid, his current piece in politicsdaily sounds as though he’s still drinking the National Review cool-aid from 2008. And to be gut level honest, he’s grossly mistaken, because the entire landscape has changed.
In today’s well written piece Lewis asserts that Palin would be heart-choice, while Romney would be the brain-choice for conservatives in 2012. He discounts Huckabee without explanation. He tries to do all this on some assertions from historical patterns.
Towards the end of his piece he makes another assertion that no “Reagan” is waiting in the wings for 2012.
I love Matt Lewis, he is a humble, genuine, good-natured guy. He’s also one of the nicest guys in an increasingly rancorous and ugly punditry business. I have loved his insights from the first time I read him.
But on all of the above he could not be more mistaken.
Huckabee IS the Reagan in waiting. He’s the most humble of the three Governors. He has the ability to take a room filled with tension and dissolve it with laughter. He has the best brand emerging into the narrative of the post 2008 election cycle. And he has the ability to cross all kinds of typical, narrow, sliver-like divisions and bring new people into the conservative fold.
Most underrated is his ability to think on his feet, and to speak clearly, plainly and very simply, yet with clearly conservative positions that advance the idea of limited government, strong national defense, personal responsibility/reward, and most importantly he will have the strong, overwhelming support of the base of the party that was so detestable to McCain.
His humility will shine like a spring of fresh water against the desert of Obama’s arrogance. His message of ending the federal government’s ability to bully you with the IRS will be in direct contrast to Obama’s use of all political office elements to hurt his political opponents.
He will also have 2-3 years worth of “debates” on tape dealing with all sorts of messy political issues from his shows on Fox, where he is currently inviting 2-3 liberals per time to come on and debate the merits of his positions on issues. He had already won the vast majority of the Republican debates in 2008, but this sort of weekly interaction is only making him even BETTER as a public communicator.
And ultimately THAT is his biggest similarity to Reagan. Both were Governors, both used media to advance their message, ideas, and solutions following a failed primary in which both finished in second place. Both had the ability to reach people that had been turned off by the internal warring of partisan affairs. Both have the ability to see and project an image of America at her very best.
Additionally Matt is wrong, because the points I’m making are actually taking hold. Rasmussen’s latest numbers put Huckabee in first place among the three all by himself. His negatives are also extremely low by comparison to Palin in the same poll.
I was the first pundit to predict Obama would be president, and at that time I was very lonely in doing so. No one believed that it would happen.
I have been the first longest and loudest that those who underestimate Huckabee are vastly missing the feelings of the grassroots.
And because of Obama’s wrongs against “We The People” 2012 will be a more engaged, energized, and informed group than has voted for the GOP in a while.
In doing so they will look for inspiration, humility, specific solutions, and the experience at the executive position to make it happen.
And in the collapse of Romney’s “greatest achievement” in state mandated health insurance reform that still allowed for public assistance and $50 abortions in his state, let’s just say that people are going to be reading more of the fine print than the headlines this go around.
And Huck will be one that increasingly people will feel confidence in, by doing so.”
http://kevinmccullough.townhall.com/blo … 794647a821
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Percy_Peabody,
Your statements are the most ridiculous bunch of lies I have heard on HA. The Rasmussen and the PPP polls are very upstanding polls and they have been for years…..long before Huckabee was even around. I’ll bet you wouldn’t be putting down these polls IF your candidate had won them! There is NO way Tyson is behind these polls. How do you explain then that Romney won one of these Rasmussen polls earlier this summer…was Tyson foods behind that too??? What a farce!
Mike Huckabee won the Lt. Gov. race…then he got to be the Governor the first time because the Democratic Gov. was indicted for a crime..he stepped down and because Huckabee was Lt. Gov., he got to be Gov. How does any of that have anything to do with Tyson Foods? Mike Huckabee did such a good job that the VOTERS in Arkansas elected him two more terms as Governor. You really ought to be ashamed even saying these stupid statements because everybody on this site, whether they like Huckabee or not, have to know how unbelievable these claims are and that your statements are completely untrue!!!
VFT on October 23, 2009 at 10:03 PM
I’d love to respond to this sick twisted infatuation you have that Mormonism is Christianity, but unfortunately, I don’t have the time right now.
apacalyps on October 23, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Comment pages: « Previous 1 2