Paterson to Obama: You just cost NY a billion dollars, champ
posted at 2:55 pm on October 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama’s war on Wall Street has claimed one significant casualty so far: the state of New York. While the Pay Czar claws back bonuses and salaries from bailed-out investment firms, which was a condition of taking the TARP money (not exactly a voluntary act anyway), the big reduction means a big hit in New York state income revenues. Governor David Paterson took the opportunity to slam Obama over the missing money, observes the New York, er, Observer:
David Paterson, ever the friend of the White House, just attacked the Obama administration’s decision to restrict bonus pay with John Gambling on WOR.
“That probably cost New York $1 billion,” Paterson said. “And look, I’m not going to defend these people that run these companies. They’ve frittered away a lot of money in these reckless schemes. But the reality is, in the end, we’ve lost $1 billion dollars because of that act. And there goes that pipe dream legislators engaged in reacting to my cuts.”
This comes as no shock, since the Obama White House publicly pushed Paterson not to run for re-election. Paterson suggested that Obama was just cranky because the President hadn’t accomplished much in his term, and Paterson’s wife suggested that Obama might have something against black governors. By those standards, this is pretty mild.
Paterson apparently seeks to undermine Obama’s populist bragging rights on the clawback. While his progressive wing fumes over Afghanistan and Obama’s tepid support for a public option, Obama must have hoped that stripping Wall Street executives of large amounts of cash would endear himself to their class-warrior hearts. Paterson just reminds everyone that a large and unintended side effect is that the money won’t come to the state coffers, leaving the Empire State with a billion-dollar hole in the budget.
Of course, there are other side effects as well. That money won’t get spent in New York, either, at least not directly. That means the local and state economy will drag as billions of dollars that might go for consumption get seized instead. Paterson fails to mention this, perhaps not wanting to get too supply-side ahead of his primary battle against Andrew Cuomo. We can bet that Rudy Giuliani will eventually pick up that argument, though, and many New Yorkers will understand it when he does.









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Ah the
libssocialists and their “unintended consequences.”Christian Conservative on October 22, 2009 at 2:57 PM
is this Black on Black crime in Post-racial America?
or the Pot calling the kettle Black?
Janos Hunyadi on October 22, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Paterson never saw it coming……
rabidamerican on October 22, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Racist!
Aristotle on October 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Well, Paterson was overjoyed at the thought of losing Limbaugh’s tax money. Why wouldn’t he be overjoyed at losing other rich folks’ tax money, too?
beatcanvas on October 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM
I had no idea Patterson was so racist.
DrAllecon on October 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM
The obvious solution is for the state of NY to follow the federal example and come up with their own “punishment tax” on Wall Street. Surprised they didn’t try this out yet.
/sarcasm
jwolf on October 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Blue on Blue engagement. Fratricide.
(cue Hannibal voice)
I love it when a plan comes together.
Holger on October 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
What?! You mean to tell me that targeting the private sector leads to less revenue for the government?
Doughboy on October 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Came for this, left satisfied.
Enoxo on October 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
yeah, ummm, didn’t Deutsche Bank move its American HQs from New Yawk to Jacksonville Fla recently to escape confiscatory taxes and profit-strangling regulation?
–as part of A Trend: as the Viking said in “The 13th Warrior”
Don’t worry, littler brother, there are MORE
Janos Hunyadi on October 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM
I love it. It’s two parts of the Democratic Party fighting each other — screw the rich vs. high taxes (needed for running big government). More so, it’s federal vs state, fighting over the same carrion. They should learn a valuable lesson from this, but I’m sure they won’t.
LastRick on October 22, 2009 at 3:02 PM
The same scenario is playing out with health care as Reid and others carve out exemptions for their own states.
Bishop on October 22, 2009 at 3:03 PM
There’s that nasty Law of Untoward Consequences again……
drjohn on October 22, 2009 at 3:03 PM
For a blind guy, he sure sees alot better than Obama.
portlandon on October 22, 2009 at 3:03 PM
God bless a progressive tax system where so many depend on so few.
WashJeff on October 22, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Unintended consequences. The lame brains leading the blind.
Kissmygrits on October 22, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Blue on blue, heartache on heartache…
GISAP on October 22, 2009 at 3:05 PM
What a delight!
Mason on October 22, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Sad he is more worried about the loss to his state and not the loss to the individuals that earned it.
fourdeucer on October 22, 2009 at 3:05 PM
You know who should have lost a billion dollars…
New Joisey!
/armisen
Abby Adams on October 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Cannibalism on the left….love it!!!
PatriotRider on October 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I’m sure this will also have an impact on NJ but Corzine is too busy trying to save his own rear end to worry about the state.
katiejane on October 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Paterson to Obama: You just cost NY a billion dollars,
champchumpConservativePartyNow on October 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I’m still trying to figure out how this is Legal, or Constitutional…
Contract law, and the Boards of Directors dictate what these guys get paid…
Now, IF the Government has a seat on the Board of Directors, then they get a vote… but they don’t in most cases… they are just investors.
Since when does an investor get a say in breaking the contract of someone working for a Company?
And even IF the Government invested, and passed a law saying they have this power if they invested… where in the Constitution does Congress have the power to do this??? This is not the REGULATION of Interstate Commerce… but IS breaking standard contract law…
Romeo13 on October 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Oh, you mean my actions have consequences????? No matter, we’ll find another way to tax them….”That’s one for you, 19 for me….”
search4truth on October 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Don’y worry…they will lose their share as well, as well as Conn.
PatriotRider on October 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Gotta love these guys fighting over money.
What morons.
ORconservative on October 22, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Blind leading the blind.
LibTired on October 22, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Why would a promising candidate work for companies that are completely under the thumb of an administration that’s hostile to pay that’s comparable with other similar businesses?
This “Pay Czar” idea is insane. I still cannot believe that 2 of the 3 American auto manufacturers are owned by the government and now the Feds will be setting private citizens pay rates.
Asher on October 22, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Does anyone think that arrogant, indecisive, liar gives a crap?
rjoco1 on October 22, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Couldn’t happen to a nicer state government.
Techie on October 22, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Maybe now Patterson and Albany will actually do something about MTA “workers” who sit around for eight hours a day doing nothing in subway booths.
rasta16ry on October 22, 2009 at 3:14 PM
It’s going to be strange when NYC starts looking like Detroit.
ORconservative on October 22, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Ny has had what, about a century of libtard rule, and Republicans/Conservatives still can’t get a toe-hold in the state?
Only now is Paterson starting to talk about going after NY’s natural gas reserves, which could provide much needed jobs and revenues to the state. But that probably won’t happen for years given the litigiousness of NY’s envrio-wacko-luddites.
Iblis on October 22, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Ah, the irony. Patterson now feels the consequences of redistributionism AND Hazlitt’s “Forgotten Man … He is the man who is never thought of. He is the victim of the reformer, social speculator and philanthropist.”
Firefly_76 on October 22, 2009 at 3:15 PM
What am I reminded of Glengarry Glen Ross?
“You just cost me a billion dollars. One billion dollars! And one Cadillac. What are you gonna do about it? What are you gonna do about it, a–hole!”
Doughboy on October 22, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Romeo13 on October 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM
As with 90% of everything this Administration is doing. But, in order to keep the last 10%, these guys will shut up and roll over, rather than help one of thier own to file suit.
It will take 4-5 years to get to the Supreme Court. Where will we be by then?
barnone on October 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM
fourdeucer
It’s his job. (snicker)
Isn’t the Law of Unintended Consequences just great?
What’s really sad is the 565,000 jobs lost in the past month due to the “smart power” of Congress and Obama.
elclynn on October 22, 2009 at 3:19 PM
That’s a shame.
/Costanza
greggriffith on October 22, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Wow! Even the “no-name” joke of a NY governor “gets it” better than Obumble.
Speaking of NY, anyone else noticing how Troy NY keeps “popping up” in the news periodically? Wonder why???
It’s the taxpayer-funded site of George Soros’ Dinosaur BBQ
(boblonsberry.com ^ | HotAir 07/02/09 | Bob Lonsberry)What else is up there?
indypat on October 22, 2009 at 3:21 PM
But, Crazy Uncle Joe said Paying taxes is Patriotic!
**snort** Will the last tax payor in New York please turn off the lights?
kingsjester on October 22, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Thats a good point about all the lost revenue. Guess I am a populist worrying about the lost wages of individuals as opposed to the lost wages of government.
fourdeucer on October 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM
They need to send in Curly Biden as damage control. A few stories about Cathy’s Diner and those New Yorkers will be right back in the hope and change Conga line.
Hening on October 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM
He did hear the Zing though.
the_nile on October 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM
God has a sense of humor, and a plan–
PS–don’t tell Allah…
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM
MOAR PLEASE!
http://monkeysfly.net/kaistar/comedy/MOAR.jpg
rollthedice on October 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Great, I just snorted coffee through my nose!
lovingmyUSA on October 22, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Move Wall Street to Chicago and watch all those salaries, pay raises, and bonuses will be reinstated.
albill on October 22, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Rising tide lifts all ships. Some libs JUST DON’T GET IT. Others do, they just use class warfare to grab power.
marklmail on October 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Don’t give them any ideas!
Aside from the blatant unconstitutionality of the pay czar’s activities, is anyone bothered by which firms are being targeted? I mean, where is Goldman Sachs??? Did they repay all the TARP funds, or are we playing favorites again here. And, wasn’t Bank of America strong-armed into taking the funds in the first place? This is all so wrong.
Firefly_76 on October 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Boo frkn hoo.
Akzed on October 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM
New York goes bankrupt, and folds. It reopens, dingier, and more corrupt, and re-named with the gloriou….errr repulsive name of Obamagrad!
capejasmine on October 22, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Patterson: “I can see clearly now, the rain is gone.”
BuckeyeSam on October 22, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Lest we forget the source of the reckless schemes that got these companies into trouble:
1. Bawney Fwank & Co strong-arming the banking industry into making loans to people who couldn’t pay them back.
2. UAW strong-arming auto industry into benefit packages that bankrupted the companies.
But yeah – let’s go after the execs and keep Bawney and UAW in charge.
kooly on October 22, 2009 at 3:40 PM
How long before the people who got hit with pay cuts leave these companies? How many will move to companies not covered by pay caps? How many will start companies in other locations to avoid excessive taxes?
Mangy Scot on October 22, 2009 at 3:40 PM
I think we’re all bothered, but pretty much helpless until 2010 at least, and probably 2012.
In Milton Friedman’s classic “Free to Choose” he proposes a list of constitutional amendments that would serve the role of an economic bill of rights. Tops on the list, in my opinion, is this one (my memory/paraphrase): the government may not infringe on the right of anyone to price goods or services. I really wish we had that amendment, as it would greatly minimize the amount of economic damage even a radical leftwing administration would accomplish.
jwolf on October 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Wow, these Progressive Liberal Marxists are playing the blame game beautifully…
Obama: Bush is the President that caused me to buy a mop.
Patterson: Obama is the President that caused me to not be able to buy a mop for my state.
Axlerod: Fox News is the one that caused me to have to go on the talk shows and call them “non-news” so that Americans will not watch them while they buy mops.
Raum E: Whatever Axelrod said…plus I’ll break your neck if you don’t buy more mops.
Michelle O: I don’t want to mop so I’m going to play hula-hoop with the kiddies and call it “National Service”…and it will be a sacrifice!
redwhiteblue on October 22, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Hey after everything that have been thru — many times (7) I have moved Lock Stock & Barrel of my life to start anew 2 of the times it was a relo package — I hope Wall Street does the same…
wheels on October 22, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Gotta love liberal thinking. Government infringement of our founding principles of freedom and property and into personal lives of people and into private businesses is only bad if it costs the government money but otherwise has little merit on it’s own.
gwelf on October 22, 2009 at 3:48 PM
@ jwolf on October 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Need to read that; always meant to, never got around to it. That proposal would do some serious damage to the antitrust laws, which are pretty whacked IMHO anyway.
Firefly_76 on October 22, 2009 at 3:49 PM
Obama knows that punishing the rich actually has a greater negative impact on the middle class. Less jobs, higher taxes, etc. Marxist shellgame.
marklmail on October 22, 2009 at 3:52 PM
No honor amoung douchebags?
Monica on October 22, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Priceless!
Connie on October 22, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Crapping in their own nest! Gotta grab a socialist mop!
ya2daup on October 22, 2009 at 4:02 PM
It will cost the Feds money. Money not earned cannot be taxed. This impacts the state and Fed, local governments, too. Maggie Thatcher had it right. They are running out of our money.
How long are these CEO’s going to stay around working for 10% of what they were supposed to earn?
BetseyRoss on October 22, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Everything Obama does is an “unintended consequence”…that is why he is an amateur playing in a professional game.
We just need to get through these next 3 years…my God, it isn’t even one year and look at the havoc he has caused…
right2bright on October 22, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Why are Obama’s number still high? I’m so frustrated that he has made so many people unhappy and yet his approval doesn’t go down!!!
Teflon is one thing but really this is just too much.
petunia on October 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM
To a liberal, the state matters, individuals don’t.
MarkTheGreat on October 22, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Just to give The Race Card, something else to whine about.
MarkTheGreat on October 22, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Why do we keep treating Obama as “black”? After all he is at least one-half white. Start treating him as white and we could dispense with all this racist BS.
duff65 on October 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Is he saying that he can see the writing on the wall?
If so, Wow. The One can heal the blind.
ted c on October 22, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Why do we keep treating Obama as “black”? After all he is at least one-half white. Start treating him as white and we could dispense with all this racist BS.
duff65 on October 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM
BetseyRoss on October 22, 2009 at 4:45 PM
If NY lost a billion, the IRS probably lost 3 billion from NY alone. Plus that’s several billions that will be gone from creating jobs thru whatever the bank exec’s create thru their own personal spending plans — home construction, lavish parties, land and water yachts, aircraft, startups for new companies and more.
Contrary to Disney’s Scrooge McDuck vision, rich folks just don’t put their money in some oversized piggy bank that they swim in when they get home from work. They spend and invest their income creating several billions of dollars of income, typically in the small business private sector job market which is hurting so much these days. Go figure why the economy is going nowhere but down and down with these marxist Obama czar clowns in charge?
drfredc on October 22, 2009 at 4:46 PM
But…but…I thought the rich were not paying their fair share!
Just like in CA the rich carry the burden. Nice going, Bams, you’re killing the cash cows.
PattyJ on October 22, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Because Obama wouldn’t be able to be a victim anymore. His way is much better. He can play the race card and the victim card. How else could a do nothing, is nothing person succeed in the US?
BetseyRoss on October 22, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I know that. What I was saying is we should treat him as white to prevent him from using the race card.
duff65 on October 22, 2009 at 4:52 PM
If the CEO’s of bailed-out banks lose 90% of their salaries, anyone want to estimate how much TARP money will come back to the Government over the next few days?
What’s in your wallet?
Obama’s greedy hands!
Steve Z on October 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM
FIFY.
There’s no Truth in Obama, we get Consequences.
Steve Z on October 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM
While I agree you have legally framed the argument correctly, I don’ think SCoTUS will see it that way. Hope I am proved wrong.
chemman on October 22, 2009 at 5:04 PM
I may be in left field here but I think at least one of the big banks paid back their TARP plus interest and are covered by this clawback.
chemman on October 22, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Oh, I know the Supremes won’t stand in the way of this Federal Power Grab…
Question is, will the people let them do it.
Because…
When in the course of human events….
Romeo13 on October 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM
If the courts uphold this I expect to see round II of the Nixon wage and price controls. Thanks Barry “Richard M Nixon” Hussein Obama.
chemman on October 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM
i don’t remember my high school teachers telling us that we should study hard and do well in school so that we could get better paying jobs…so that we could support the D students who slacked off and would never amount to anything.
i seem to remember thinking that hard work and initiative were individual choics that would come back to reward or haunt us, depending on how hard we worked.
did i miss a class?
DrW on October 22, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Who does more economical damage to the Americans? Wall Street or Congress? I say cut the salaries and perks of Congressional leaders until they earn it using the same rules imposed upon W.S.
holymoly on October 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Comment of the day, IMHO.
UltimateBob on October 22, 2009 at 5:16 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/22/executive-pay-cuts-raise-legal-questions-resistance-futile/
Interesting article… basicly says the whole pay Czar thing if probably not legal.. but they won’t fight it because of politics and bad press…
Isn’t that called Blackmail?
Romeo13 on October 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Patterson has changed his mind on that tax hike I recall reading. That was after hundreds to thousands of other multimillionaires joined Limbaugh in leaving New York causing tax collections amongst the group to collapse. I’ll give him a little credit since he did learn from his mistake, which pus him above about 95% or so of other liberals.
jarodea on October 22, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Sound like JUSTICE to me!
GarandFan on October 22, 2009 at 6:55 PM
When I first read this I thought it said “…cut the salaries and peckers of congressional leaders….”
Oh well, works either way.
Aviator on October 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM
I didn’t know that George Soros owned a major share of Dinosaur BBQ – now, I can never go there again. Huge bummer in upstate NY…..
I don’t know how many of you folks get to upstate, but it is like a 3rd world country up here. Empty storefronts, run down houses, small farms are barely keeping their heads above water and corporate farms are not always the best neighbors. The train between Syracuse and Albany delivers some of the most depressing scenery ever and is an eye opener to anyone who remembers a thriving Empire State.
piglet on October 22, 2009 at 8:52 PM
Is anybody forgetting Limbaugh’s very public departure from NY? His revelation was followed shortly by some sort of sports executive who was poised to follow suit. How many other high paid personalities have canceled trips to NY and/or closed management facilities in NY?
Can’t be too many, but as I’m sure Patterson agrees; every little bit would help at this point. Although, now that I say that, I seem to remember a gleeful Patterson wishing a ‘don’t let the door hit you’ to Limbaugh, on his way out of the state.
classicaliberal on October 22, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Heh, not just State revenue, the IRS as well. By the time these guys file their exemptions, they’d be classified as below the poverty line and the gubmint will give them money for child credit etc. What a CHUMP.
AH_C on October 23, 2009 at 12:05 AM
$hicago Cesspool Dwellers!
Rahm the twinkle-toed dwarf,
couldn’t break a pencil-neck
even if he had 5 fingers and another 200lbs!
“Let’s Roll”
On Watch on October 23, 2009 at 5:19 AM
If Obama is cleaning the mess that Bush left behind why is the floor getting dirtier with every pass? Maybe he assumed that Paterson wouldn’t notice. Clearly, the New York mob isn’t afraid of the Chicago mob.
SKYFOX on October 23, 2009 at 9:44 AM
I bet if you really listened carefully and read the transcript of the speech you will likely find the truth. The Gov of New York told President Obama thanks for the million dollar debt CHUMP.
MSGTAS on October 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM
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