Jobless claims rise again
posted at 10:55 am on October 22, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Once again, initial jobless claims have “unexpectedly” risen after a few weeks of slight declines. The AP, among others, heralded the decrease from the 550K level to 520K as an indicator of economic recovery. They’re still sticking with that story, although it’s getting harder to justify it with claims increasing:
The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for jobless benefits rose more than expected last week, after falling in five of the past six weeks, as employers remain reluctant to hire even with the economy showing signs of recovery.
The Labor Department said Thursday that new jobless claims rose to a seasonally adjusted 531,000 last week, from an upwardly revised 520,000 the previous week. Wall Street economists had expected only a slight increase, according to Thomson Reuters.
Economists closely watch initial claims, which are considered a gauge of layoffs and an indication of companies’ willingness to hire new workers.
The four-week average of claims, which smooths out fluctuations, fell slightly to 532,250, the lowest since mid-January and about 125,000 below the peak for the recession, reached this spring. But claims remain well above the 325,000 that economists say is consistent with a healthy economy.
We need to keep in mind that unemployment is a lagging indicator of an economy. Firms shed jobs after the economy turns sour, not usually in anticipation of a downturn. They show reluctance to hire until employers start seeing increases in business to justify new positions. The economy will recover before we see a large number of new jobs lower the unemployment rate.
However, initial jobless claims in this stratospheric level indicate that firms are still shedding jobs, not just showing a reluctance to rehire. The number of unemployed people continue to rise, and many of them are now falling out the back end of the statistics, as the AP acknowledges:
When those [extended benefits] programs are included, the total number of recipients dropped to 8.8 million in the week ending Oct. 3, the latest data available, down about 50,000 from the previous week. That decline is likely due to recipients running out of benefits, rather than finding jobs, economists say.
As this demonstrates, the jobs lost are a cumulative total. Losing 214,000 jobs in September is not an improvement from earlier this year when we lost 700,000 jobs in a month, because those initial 700,000 jobs are still lost. It’s a reduction in the rate of disaster, which is better than losing jobs at the same rate, but that isn’t a realistic outcome anyway. The jobs lost at the beginning of the recession were the ones employers could afford to shed; the ones left now are existential jobs, where the employers either have to retain staff or close doors altogether.
As for the signs of economic recovery, there are a few, but none that come close to hitting home like unemployment. And it seems unlikely (although not impossible) that the economy grew at a 3% annual clip while shedding this many jobs in the third quarter.










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orfannkyl on October 22, 2009 at 10:56 AM
China says its economy grew 8.9%. Hmm. I doubt that, but I’m sure it grew faster than ours.
andy85719 on October 22, 2009 at 10:57 AM
mankai on October 22, 2009 at 10:57 AM
In Planet Bizzaro’s regional office, the White House, a 3% decline in the number of job losses equates to 3% growth of the economy.
New math and all that.
BobMbx on October 22, 2009 at 10:59 AM
How many of those newly unemployed voted for Ogabe. Hope and Change, folks, Hope and Change.
Bishop on October 22, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Wow, those economists are geniuses!
Such analysis! What would do without them?
mankai on October 22, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Great point.
We’ve got great news, good news, and news that could be better but could be worse…
unless you’re an administration that actually wants the economy to shed jobs in order to create dirty, cold palms and hungry mouths that will do your bidding and willingly accept your agenda, then this isn’t great news.
ted c on October 22, 2009 at 11:01 AM
“The economy grew or didn’t shrink by 3%.” – Joe Biden
mankai on October 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM
I’m going to go to China, where they have job openings. 8.9% growth (probably more like 3.9% in real numbers) is growth and I want to get one of those jobs. I’ll be the only none Asian in the factory.
andy85719 on October 22, 2009 at 11:03 AM
I think the red head has giving up looking for a job by now and is no longer considered unemployed.
WashJeff on October 22, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Namely…? Other than ridiculous claims of recovery by the likes of Paul Krugman and Obama’s personally approved media, I’ve heard nothing of the sort. What evidence, exactly, suggests a recovery right now?
jwolf on October 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Unemployment? Who cares…Michelle Obama can spin a hula hoop 142 times before it hits the ground (yes they counted). Then she runs an obstacle course and eats *gasp* healthy food!!!
Brat on October 22, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Most overused phrases for economic reports:
“more than expected”
“less than expected”
These “experts” are never right? Must be hanging out with the Weathermen!
WashJeff on October 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Let me be clear, I inherited unemployment
/
BHO
nyx on October 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Let me make this perectly clear, I should have won the Nobel in economics.
bluegrass on October 22, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Can we joke about her and this story without getting the ban hammer? There’s a goldmine of jokes here! At least have a caption contest!
WashJeff on October 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Proud Rino disagrees.
BadgerHawk on October 22, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I think that unemployment line has grown exponentially since that photo was taken….
PatriotRider on October 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I’m thinking something along the lines of her midsections’ gravitational field keeping the hoop in orbit, but that may or may not be appropriate.
BadgerHawk on October 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I’m officially moving to New Dehli. India’s economy is actually growing. I think I’ll be a customer service representative.
andy85719 on October 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM
WE SAVED THE ECONOMY. – Rahm Emmanuel (D)
NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE,. – Rahm Emmanuel (D)
O BAM A
O BAM A
O BAM A
Good Lt on October 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM
That article is making me dizzy.
I re-read this “sentence” and I think I now have it sorted out:
Got it. 531,000 is considerably larger than 325,000, so things are still going down hill.
forest on October 22, 2009 at 11:09 AM
mmmm mmmmm MMMMMM!
forest on October 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Maybe AP will open a thread for us in the 5PM Eastern hour, that when he usually has a couple pallet cleansers, to have at it.
Like the gravitational angle!
WashJeff on October 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Did I do that?
/
BHO
nyx on October 22, 2009 at 11:12 AM
they said the stimulus would work now, didn’t they
I see another Nobel coming.
bluegrass on October 22, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Rising unemployment means the economy is recovering – Proud Rino
Being unemployed gives you the freedom to act – Bleeds Blue
Success – crr6
Etc etc etc
lorien1973 on October 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Obama’s got 15 days til the next jobs report comes out. He better try to ram health care through, cause if unemployment cracks 10%(“unexpectedly” of course), his remaining political capital will evaporate.
Doughboy on October 22, 2009 at 11:15 AM
That decline is likely due to recipients running out of benefits, rather than finding jobs, economists say.
and nobody thinks there is a connection between when someone runs out of benefits and that same someone decides to finally pick up the want ads and get a freakin’ job
max1 on October 22, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Most of my daughters U of I college grad friends (with actual usable degrees such as engineering, business, etc.) are doing the following…
Bartending
Waiting in restaurants
Part-time jobs
Baby sitting
Sitting at home
Sending out resumes…endlessly
Nothing
But don’t worry, we are in a recovery and the recession is over…
PatriotRider on October 22, 2009 at 11:16 AM
So many people taking advantage of funemployment, do they know something the rest of us don’t?
Bishop on October 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Just make sure mumble a lot. They apparently fire people who are too intelligible. The last “Dave” I dealt with was clearly employee of the month.
highhopes on October 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM
time for:
STIMUUULLUSSSS 2 – Return of the Pork
SDarchitect on October 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Blame FOX News for this bullsh*t
bluegrass on October 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
10% unemployment is the new normal.
Stepping on our own d*ck is the new foreign policy.
Failure/surrender is the new victory.
Fascism is the new freedom.
I think I see a pattern.
SKYFOX on October 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
GREAT Post!!!
LOL
right4life on October 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
10% unemployment is the new normal.
Stepping on our own d*ck is the new foreign policy.
Failure/surrender is the new victory.
Fascism is the new freedom.
I think I see a pattern.
SKYFOX on October 22, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Its called Hopenchange
bluegrass on October 22, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Odumbo–Come on na. It’s not my fault. I know i promised millions of shovel ready jobs, the problem is there ain’t enough shovels
rjoco1 on October 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
It’s hardly a feat keeping a hula hoop in motion when you have a huge “ledge” in the back which prevents it from dropping down below the waistline. That poor piece of plastic simply couldn’t have gone anywhere.
highhopes on October 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
So many people taking advantage of funemployment, do they know something the rest of us don’t?
Bishop on October 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM
yes they know that they have no pride..
plus you don’t even have to wait in a line of shame to pick up your funemployment check these days. Just email in for it and they’ll send it right to mommy and daddy’s house while you’re making yourself a PB&J sandwich, sparking up a doobie and settling in for a “Battlestar Galactica” marathon.
max1 on October 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Obama = a walking man-made disaster.
Kokonut on October 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Truth of the matter is…the GDP could grow by 20%, but if companies don’t stop shedding jobs and start hiring soon…Obama and the Dems are toast…even Bill Clinton understood that.
AUINSC on October 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Everyone should take a look at the U.S. National Debt Clock and watch the numbers change. The National Debt climbs continually, as does Fiat currency created. But for now, the total Currency + Credit Derivatives is falling even faster (due to credit destruction), so you can put the inflation calls on hold for a while (although the dollar’s homocide will lead to higher prices at the pump).
In contrast, Private Debt is going over the waterfall, which is a bad sign for a consumer driven economy. Our recent prosperity was built on debt — now that debt bubble has popped. The only category of personal debt you will see climb is Credit Card Debt, which likely means people are living off of their remaining credit lines. Not good. What happens when they reach their limits?
This is an unmitigated disaster. We’ve got serious systemtic problems and Obama is not doing a single thing to rectify any of them — and he’s making most worse. The idea we’re spending precious time arguing over a multi-trillion dollar health scheme care can only be categorized as insane. Let’s face it — we’re a failed fiscal state led by a Socialist Mop.
Someone tell me where new jobs will come from?
flyfisher on October 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Nothing changes hope into despair like funemployment. Is Obooboo deferring their massive studenet loans?
Laura in Maryland on October 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Any one remember when it was 4.5% and then the Democrats took over? Thanks Nancy, Harry, and the trollops that followed the ONE.
Rovin on October 22, 2009 at 11:24 AM
The good news is that repo men, foreclosure agents and soup kitchen employment are all at all time highs.
Hope and Change!
NoDonkey on October 22, 2009 at 11:26 AM
This sounds like being unemployed is a sign of economic recovery. A good sign at that and really hits home.
fourdeucer on October 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM
I expected it.
Give me the Nobel for economics. I also predict that the numbers will be revised again, making it worse.
AND. . . next month . . . Unemployment numbers will rise AGAIN.
Not even the Christmas hiring bump can cover up the admins handling of what should have been a crisis no bigger than the S & L’s but. . . they keep digging.
With the policy moves in this “greatest legislative session in history” they’ve long since gone beyond blaming it on Bush.
Unemployment going up in December will have to be blamed on Dickens.
Jason Coleman on October 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM
nothing another 1.4 trillion deficit and a 800 billion stimulus package, and nationalizing 1/6 of the economy won’t fix. – Obama
lorien1973 on October 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Christmas hiring bump should -already- be happening. That’s the problem. It’s not. It’s going to be a disasterous season for retailers.
lorien1973 on October 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM
When a train runs off the tracks, it slows down. Even though it eventually comes to a complete stop there was still a disaster. It certainsly does not mean there is not a whole lot of clean up to do before another train rolls on through.
TubbyHubby on October 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Barackus Hubris Maximus *Hail Caesar!* inherited this development, just like each and every single other thing that doesn’t live up to the Hopey Changey bullcrap, from the George W. Bush White House. It is all George Bush’s fault.
Don’t you guys n’ gals know anything?
SilverStar830 on October 22, 2009 at 11:30 AM
China is also mortgaging it’s future. Their pollution problems get worse every year and one-child per family has screwed up the demographics by encouraging abortions of female children.
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/
Asher on October 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM
In February the BLS is supposed to reset their Birth/Death model with a “benchmark revision.”
ManipulationOverestimating job creation via the Birth/Death model is about the only thing that has kept U-3 below 10%. But two weeks ago they admitted they overestimated new jobs created by roughly 850,000 jobs.flyfisher on October 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM
But that was a jobless recovery. Now this economy, this is a real recovery. If there’s one thing this White House knows, it’s the difference between what’s real and what isn’t.
Doughboy on October 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I don’t pretend to know how they arrive at these numbers, and after nearly a year of hearing 1/2 jobs lost every week have begun to have a numbing effect on me.
I am thankful everyday that I have managed to hold on to my job even though I have watched my department get decimated. Soon anybody who has a non union, or non government job will be on this administrations enemy list and they will go after us just like they have financial institutions, insurance companies and those in the media who don’t toe the party line.
I don’t know if anybody in the Democrat circles have done any sort of real world calculations about how they are going to fund all of their great state sponsored, government programs when the pool of citizens who are going to be paying for them is getting smaller and smaller. The more they tax the business owners and the remaining employees the more they are going to add to the out of work roles, until such time as the economy really does implode.
Joe Biden may want to call this a depression, but me I am just depressed.
Just A Grunt on October 22, 2009 at 11:33 AM
THAT was the worst economy evah!
THIS is the best-worst economy evah!
Because there are “green shoots” visible.
Just because they only exist on Joe Biden’s skull, doesn’t mean that they’re not real.
NoDonkey on October 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
China’s growth is a near myth that cannot be verified by any outside source. Read it about it online. Their economy is growing, but you have to consider it in completely different terms. It’s easy to turn $1 into $2, a lot harder to turn $1 million into $2 million.
lorien1973 on October 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
But think of all the jobs saved by the administration! /sarc
I was reading a piece that said the Obama admin was upset with how the various States were reporting the “job creation” of the Porkulus. Apparently, many jurisdictions were not “properly” tallying the number of “saved” positions.
Revenant on October 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Unless the smartest people in the room/WH can figure out how to employ all Democrats, they are in real trouble. The number of job losses is getting less than huge because there are less people employed to begin with.
I’m depressed too and really can not see how we get out of this.
ORconservative on October 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM
That debt clock should scare any sane person into reversing course on a dime.
fourdeucer on October 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM
It is happening Lorien, it’s just not nearly enough to do anything to the unemployment numbers.
Usually, you have seasonal unemployment in construction starting in about a month, and the Christmas hiring bump makes up for that and then some.
NOW though, the construction sector is bleeding out already AND the cold weather is causing shut-downs of sites for the winter here locally (I’m in ALABAMA! Think about that!) There’s a run on plywood & Tyvek here now as contractors see we aren’t getting another 4 weeks of exterior work done this season.
So we’ve STILL got layoffs coming in the construction sector that’s still left, AND anemic hiring for Christmas help. There’s some hiring going on, but most stores are talking with their staff’s about keeping hours in house. It’s almost better to work your key people overtime than it is to train up a new staffer. Plus, general uncertainty doesn’t make existing employees comfortable with new hires, even if they’re seasonal.
Even waitstaff’s are pondering this after a lean few months, why give up tips when you can cover 2 more shifts to make up for tips already declining.
Rough, cold, wet, poor Christmas coming folks.
Jason Coleman on October 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Because HE cares.
flyfisher on October 22, 2009 at 11:38 AM
I agree. Its difficult to tell with China; the numbers are probably cooked, and outsiders are completely reliant on the dictatorship to give us good numbers.
Here are some videos shot in China about the Chinese economy. Seeing shots like these makes it easy to doubt the accuracy of the information we get from there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ektMQGbW3wk
http://video.iptv.org/video/1218530801
Revenant on October 22, 2009 at 11:38 AM
It kills me that the AP seems puzzled that employers aren’t hiring despite the “recovery.” Until employers know just how deep the Corncob of Socialism is going to be buried in them, why hire?
Patrick S on October 22, 2009 at 11:39 AM
I’d like Obama to explain to us why private businesses should hire new employees.
Because his is the most anti-business administration ever. Not even close. It’s not up for debate.
Maybe he can explain to them that profits are overrated and what really matters is “giving back”?
What we really need to do, is to give back Barack Obama. Chicago can have him.
NoDonkey on October 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Why yes, my friend…
… We are all going to die a horrible death.
Seven Percent Solution on October 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I think Barry baby is soon going to wish he were back in Chicago.
ORconservative on October 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM
That’s really sad. Some of the pictures of the kids towards the bottom are awful.
BadgerHawk on October 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM
This was a problem with FDR. Business never knew where they stood with the administration, and when business is uncertain, they tend to maintain the status quo at best.
ICBM on October 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM
I wish he was back there now.
Dave R. on October 22, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I’ve been worrying about our debt and spending for decades. I’m damn good with a calculator. I look at those numbers and they make me sick because I know it has to end. I think it’s time for the states, or groups of states, to begin planning for their own currencies. When the dollar finally becomes worthless for anything but fireplace tinder, we DO NOT WANT any part of a global currency.
flyfisher on October 22, 2009 at 11:45 AM
The funny thing (in a bitter dark kind of way) is the fact that the administration seems confused why revenue based on worker’s wages has declined so much. They honestly don’t seem to understand that fewer people working means fewer people are getting paid. It’s tough to see how these stupid people are going to be the ones who come up with a solution.
highhopes on October 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Where it stops NOBODY knows. They’re raising the debt limit to 13 trillion and hiding in the military bill!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28586.html
xler8bmw on October 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM
I’ve been wishing that since 1/20/09.
highhopes on October 22, 2009 at 11:47 AM
They’re lawyers and politicians.
They have a shortfall in revenue, they sue or tax someone. Problem solved.
They fail to understand you can’t base an economy on that sort of thing.
At some point, someone somewhere is going to have to produce something that another individual will willingly pay for.
That simple fact has not penetrated the skull of our brilliant president and his minions.
NoDonkey on October 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Can anyone still attribute the economic decline to bad judgement or can we attribute it to malicious design. Eliminating corporate and small business taxes with a freeze on regulations and an all out effort at energy independence would put a big dent in unemployment.
fourdeucer on October 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM
This chart pretty much sums it up.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/SsdKai2JmWI/AAAAAAAAGgM/69Fd8pPGr0s/s1600-h/2007Revised.jpg
I sure wish Ed would post it with this story about the job loss being “unexpected.” I’d think at this rate of drop, a pull up of any kind would be the “unexpected” thing.
UnderstandingisPower on October 22, 2009 at 11:52 AM
The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for jobless benefits rose more than expected last week, after falling in five of the past six weeks, as employers remain reluctant to hire even with the economy showing signs of recovery.
This sentence makes no sense. Laying people off and not hiring people are two different things.
The increase in claims is due to people being laid off, not because companies are reluctant to hire. And if companies are still laying people off, how can the economy be recovering? The economy will start to recover when companies STOP laying people off.
ramrants on October 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM
A million jobs lost in financial services, housing, and construction. These jobs are not coming back. The few companies remaining in these industries are facing mountains of new regulations, lawsuits, and taxes. They have no reason to hire anyone.
rockmom on October 22, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Just wait til the white House starts talking up the improvement in unemployment mext year.
Due entirely to people exhausting their claims and dropping off the rolls.
jjshaka on October 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM
When the French revolution comes to America, I expect that the guillotine manufacturers will be hiring for multiple shifts — so that they can gear-up for 24-hour production.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on October 22, 2009 at 11:55 AM
So, as I count it, wouldn’t that put the unemployment officially over 10% nationwide?
ConservativePartyNow on October 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM
I know a lot of folks have subscribed to the idea that all this economic turmoil is intentional. Even Rush is championing that on his show. But I still can’t bring myself to believe that Obama is doing all of this on purpose.
Ok, scratch that. He could be crazy enough to pull a stunt like that. But Congress? Why in God’s name would they go along with a plan that ensures their electoral defeat and a loss of power for their party?
Doughboy on October 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM
jjshaka on October 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM
What will the Democrat base care, anyway?
Most are chronically unemployed or college students and those who aren’t, are featherbedding union hacks, trust-fund millionaires or “artists”?
So to them, everything is just ducky.
NoDonkey on October 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Right on the money.
This is the malicious intent of socialism- to destroy private initiative.
The German economic miracle in the 1950′s was predicated upon the removal of regulations and taxes. Obama is doing exactly the opposite.
jjshaka on October 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Let me be clear…
With Stimulus: Peaks at 7.9%
W/O Stimulus: Will hit 9%
mankai on October 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Even with the pictures. I still plan on moving to China. I love making products for no one and getting paid. Did you see how they counted their stimulus bill as part of the GDP off the get go. They didn’t even wait for it to show up in the numbers. They just looked at where the funds were allocated and said the GDP grew there. We should do that. Then the economy would be growing at 10%. /sarc
andy85719 on October 22, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Hanlon’s razor
My collie says:
CyberCipher on October 22, 2009 at 12:00 PM
In Iowa, the state that launched Obama’s nomination, and eventual presidency, they are almost 65,000 jobs below the mark that he promised with the porkulus bill.
bigred on October 22, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Funny,
How China’s economy is growing, and their GDP is gaining strength, no matter the numbers you use.
Why?
They’ve increased production, and foreign trade, relative to consumption.
If that were happening in this country, we’d call it “Reaganomics” or “Supply-Side Economics”
Whereas,
in this country, the morons in charge, would rather play politics with the economy, and try to prove Reaganomics wrong, using a Demand-Side strategy.
As if, you could make money flow from the bottom up.
franksalterego on October 22, 2009 at 12:01 PM
FWIW, Romer is now saying that unemployment will remain above 9.5% through 2010.
ICBM on October 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM
This is about right – the only thing that will create jobs is increased demand. No demand, no jobs. If your revenue is down or static, you’re not going to hire new workers. I know for a fact that capital expenditures have fallen through the floor. Noone is expanding b/c of all of the econ. uncertainty.
I wonder if Obama really thought that his plans would keep UE below 8% because once it goes over 10%, he can try the “I told you so” argument” but the “and….” counter will hurt him.
volnation on October 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Good question, but they own the house, senate and Executive and until the elections they seem hell bent on destroying capitalism.
fourdeucer on October 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM
True- I suppose my hope is that a year from now those trying to get jobs will have realized the impediments Obama has constructed and will vote for change.
2010 is going to be a huge election, one way or the other.
jjshaka on October 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM
WHERE ARE THE F-ING JOBS AND WHERE IS THE GOP?
txag92 on October 22, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Yes it has, and the red head ran out of Unemployment benefits looking for work, but just finally got a job as a prostitute housing adviser for ACORN.
Jeff from WI on October 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Sorry, but China isn’t playing Reaganomics, it’s playing Ponzi scheme. It fudges numbers to lure investors into its trap. Then it takes their money to pay out the current investors. Then it uses the economic gravitas garnered by a growing economy to purchase tanks and weaponry and new spy machines to threaten its citizens and neighbors with. The Chinese stimulus was basically and accounting trick to pad its GDP. It just added $700 billion and said its GDP.
andy85719 on October 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM
We are so f***ed.
We need to put the Congress critters who spent money like water behind bars.
Still, we are so f***ed
nyx on October 22, 2009 at 12:08 PM
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