US reversing itself on missile defense … again?

posted at 2:15 pm on October 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

In what has become a dizzying display of the diplomatic Hokey Pokey, the US has reached an agreement with Poland to install land-based missile interceptors.  Vice President Joe Biden went to Poland to smooth ruffled feathers and apparently to execute a second reversal in the last six months from the Obama administration:

The Obama administration reached a new agreement Wednesday with top Polish government officials to place a new generation of missile interceptors on Polish soil, a surprising turnabout from just a few weeks earlier when it had appeared the U.S. was ready to abandon its missile defense program in Eastern Europe.

Vice President Biden and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk emerged from a lengthy private discussion to announce that Poland’s participation in the missile defense system was, essentially, back on — though in a new format that involves delivering a smaller number of defensive weapons in 2018.

Mr. Tusk said through a translator that he considered the revised proposal “a very interesting idea.” “We are ready to participate in this project,” he said.

The hastily arranged vice presidential trip, which will also include stops in Romania and the Czech Republic this week, was intended to soothe relations and reassure the fledgling NATO members that the missile program was not being scrapped, and that the evolving policy should not be viewed as a snub and a weakening of U.S. defense security commitments in the region.

In April, Barack Obama offered his support for missile-defense systems in eastern Europe, especially based in Poland and the Czech Republic.  Last month, without warning American allies, Obama reversed himself and said the US would not be pursuing land-based missile defense systems in eastern Europe.  The White House then hailed Russian remarks that appeared to indicate that Moscow would take a harder line on Iran, saying that their concession on missile defense had improved relations with Russia and allowed for more cohesion on a national security issue.

However, Russia reversed itself last week, calling further sanctions “unproductive” — or more accurately, never reversed its earlier position on sanctions on Iran.  Russia has a badly stumbling economy, and they need trade with Tehran.  That means more to them than “reset buttons” from Hillary Clinton, so they are not about to impose pain on themselves, regardless of what Obama does with missile defense.

And now it appears that the US has reversed itself again.  The Obama administration insisted that they would opt for sea-based interceptors as a more feasible and less costly method of protecting against Iranian missile strikes, which got the support from some in the military community.  Those supporters have to wonder what the White House is thinking now, or what rationalization they’ll offer for another flip-flop from Obama.

Update: Polish newspapers report that Biden offered to build a US Army base in Poland as a security guarantee.  Not sure if that was in place of missile interceptors, or in addition to them.

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Expiration date. Obama has them.

Enoxo on October 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM

That’s why I want Obama out. He is so incredibly chaotic. I am a huge believer that any system works. Be consistent.

Even systems where I don’t like the basics work better than chaos.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I guess that picture in his house isn’t just for color coordination after all. He lives by the words.

Cindy Munford on October 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM

AARRRGGHHH!!!!!!

Tyrs Fury on October 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM

You put your left foot in
you put your left foot out……

faol on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

… dizzying display of the diplomatic Hokey Pokey

The Hokey Pokey led by Elmo on Sesame Street? If this weren’t so serious, it might be funny.

publiuspen on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Now Hillary! should go to Moscow and get our OVERCHARGE button back.

Cicero43 on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Well, The One certainly keeps us on our toes, that’s for sure.

Yakko77 on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

See, here we thought the administration was just naive or something, but really it’s all part of a brilliant plan to keep our enemies off balance. Who knows what we’ll do next. Not even us.

kc8ukw on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

President Windvane.

Which way is the wind blowin’ today Joe?

portlandon on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

They were against it before they were for it, but after they were against it sort of? My preschooler is more coherent than this administration.

Laura in Maryland on October 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM

See, here we thought the administration was just naive or something, but really it’s all part of a brilliant plan to keep our enemies off balance. Who knows what we’ll do next. Not even us. OBAMA.

kc8ukw on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

portlandon on October 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM

The Obama administration insisted that they would opt for sea-based interceptors as a more feasible and less costly method of protecting against Iranian missile strikes

The sea-based interceptors are no longer viable since the Artic ocean will remain frozen.

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Do over!

mankai on October 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

I am a huge believer that any system works.
AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Did communism work? It was certainly a “system.”

Think, then type.

Cicero43 on October 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM

You know this is just going to pi$$ off the Russians to no end. I actually wonder if he thought this through and did it because of that? If so, I applaud him.

Johnnyreb on October 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

amateurish and weak

ThackerAgency on October 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

I am a huge believer that any system works. Be consistent.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Bush was pretty consistent over 8 years. People wanted change. I we got it…good and hard.

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

President Windvane.

Which way is the wind blowin’ today Joe?

portlandon on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

You’re getting him mixed up with Edwards aka Senator Whethervain. Plugs is is Vice President Windsock, and couldn’t he use one right about now?

Laura in Maryland on October 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

I suspect this is the downfall of the “Alinsky” method.

It’s negative. It doesn’t produce leadership skills that focus on positive outcomes. It’s the defensive skills program.

I worked in corporate America for years and succeeded by ignoring negative campaigns/programs.

They never really worked.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

The sea-based interceptors are no longer viable since the Artic ocean will remain frozen SOON BE TRANSFORMED INTO A CLUB MED RESORT.

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM

FIXED (by Al Gore)

mankai on October 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Bush was pretty consistent over 8 years. People wanted change. I we got it…good and hard.

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Well, that’s the downside of consistency. By the end, people REALLY know why they are opposed. *haha

That’s OK. Bush is a big boy. He can take it.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:24 PM

You know this is just going to pi$$ off the Russians to no end. I actually wonder if he thought this through and did it because of that? If so, I applaud him.

Johnnyreb on October 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Now for tomorrows announcement that states are open to drill off their coasts for oil in 3…2 1/2..2…1 3/4…

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Maybe he’ll be honest?

“The Russians told us they’d go with sanctions, on Ir-ahn. And, they didn’t! So let me make this perfectly clear, we won’t not be putting missile defenses, in Poland. With assistance, from Ir-ahn.”

Nah, wouldn’t happen. There’s nobody to apologize to if he does that.

Blacksmith on October 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Any bets that this will be back off after Russia reconsiders its position on Iranian sanctions?

txaggie on October 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Wow! Even his expirations come with expiration dates!

jwolf on October 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Training Wheel President

Cicero43 on October 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

That’s OK. Bush is a big boy. He can take it.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:24 PM

That he can. Obama could definitely learn from him on media relations (i.e., go about your business).

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Me thinks that little decision a couple of weeks ago did lots of damage and these nutts have realized it, hence the reversal.

Dritanian on October 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

The adults are clearly in charge.

Too bad Barry can’t organize the international community.

Maybe the world is racist?

omnipotent on October 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Wow! Even his expirations come with expiration dates!

jwolf on October 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Thank goodness Obama does not run a grocery store.

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

It’s like watching a tennis match from hell. The ball goes back, and forth, back, and forth, back, and forth….and you really never understand the meaning behind it all. UGH!!!

capejasmine on October 21, 2009 at 2:27 PM

By the end, people REALLY know why they are opposed.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:24 PM

But they don’t. Remember those surveys after the election last year, showing that huge numbers of Obama voters still thought the Republicans controlled Congress?

jwolf on October 21, 2009 at 2:28 PM

This administration is a total embarrassment.

DrStock on October 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM

So , they’re back to the full system ?

the_nile on October 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM

But they don’t. Remember those surveys after the election last year, showing that huge numbers of Obama voters still thought the Republicans controlled Congress?

jwolf on October 21, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Well, George was in charge. He vetoed without apology.

We all knew.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM

TThat he can. Obama could definitely learn from him on media relations (i.e., go about your business).

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM
hat he can. Obama could definitely learn from him on media relations (i.e., go about your business).

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I like that quality. Hillary has it, too.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM

The BBC article I read on this implied this was a newer smaller more efficient system not intended to stop Russian aggression only Middle Eastern missiles. “Smart power”

AnotherOpinion on October 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM

diplomatic Hokey Pokey

You put your left foot in,
You put your left foot out,
You put your left foot in,
Then you stick it in your mouth…

29Victor on October 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Buying Seniors, buying Nam Vets, buying small business owners, buying Poland…

Connie on October 21, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Foreign policy? You mean we have to have a foreign policy? That’s above my pay grade. Does it have to be set in stone? I didn’t learn this at community organizing school.
Obama

hip shot on October 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Me thinks that little decision a couple of weeks ago did lots of damage and these nutts have realized it, hence the reversal.

Dritanian on October 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I think it’s more that they tried to cut a deal with the Russians that fell through. Or more accurately, the Russian reneged. Once that happened even The One didn’t feel comfortable selling out the Poles. So we’re back at square one.

Obama’s a little embarrassed, lefties have their collective foot stuck in their mouth and the much needed missile defense system is back on the table. Not a bad day.

Trent1289 on October 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM

That he can. Obama could definitely learn from him on media relations (i.e., go about your business).

WashJeff on October 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM

I don’t think he can. He’s really not ever done anything. He’s the campaign candidate. Right image at the right time guy.

He’s not evil. He’s just so in over his real head.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM

And now Poland has kicked Obama’s ass. Who is next?

pedestrian on October 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM

WOW! that was a strong Head Spin…..Did he say RedRum with puke slobbering out of his Orphus?….hmmmm. either way…still a >twinkie.<

hawkman on October 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Cindy Munford on October 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Art Imitating Life … Obama’s Politics of Maybe, On Second Thought Maybe Yes, Maybe No

Rule #1 for being the President of the United States … The last thing in the world any voter should want, no matter what party they are from is an indecisive President.

As Michelle Malkin states, “if Barack Obama’s lack of authority and certitude weren’t costing so many lives, this would be comical”. Maybe? This is exactly the type of mentality that is needed when dealing with terrorism, the Iran nuclear threat and the war in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Barack Obama and the politics of maybe, wait a minute and on second thought. GOOD GRIEF!!!

A picture truly is worth a thousand words. The below piece of art is just some of the many one’s that “The One” has picked out for the White House. This one below is entitled “I think I’ll … ” by California artist Ed Ruscha.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/10/08/art-imitating-life-obamas-politics-of-maybe-on-second-thought-maybe-yes-maybe-no/

lovingmyUSA on October 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM

You put your left foot in
you put your left foot out……

faol on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

- – - – - – - – - – - – - -
Actually Mr Hair Plug is getting good at the Chicago Two Step

bluegrass on October 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Any question now that troop levels are going up in Afghanistan (after Obama gets some form of a health care reform bill he can sign)?

Angry Dumbo on October 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Lookn out Tom Delay, you got competition

bluegrass on October 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:29 PM

A. You missed the clear meaning of the statement. The Democrats had a Congressional majority, and far too many voters were oblivious to this basic fact.

B. Even your “veto” point is ridiculous. Bush issued fewer vetoes than Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc. None in his first term, 12 total.

cs89 on October 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM

txaggie on October 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Wouldn’t suprise me.

katiejane on October 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM

faol on October 21, 2009 at 2:19 PM

that’s what it’s all about
*clap clap*

cmsinaz on October 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM

pedestrian on October 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM

By the end of his term it will be easier to list the countries that haven’t wrung concessions out of the US.

txaggie on October 21, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Good, now stick with it this time Barry.

Isn’t it amazing what can happen when Mr. Reality knocks at the door?

Tony737 on October 21, 2009 at 2:37 PM

This flip-flopping is so confusing to the world. No one knows his conviction from day to day and it is destructive to our allies and strengthening to our enemies. This is not the sign of a LEADER. We are rudderless in a stormy ocean.

rjoco1 on October 21, 2009 at 2:37 PM

The BBC article I read on this implied this was a newer smaller more efficient system not intended to stop Russian aggression only Middle Eastern missiles. “Smart power”

AnotherOpinion on October 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Yes, Poland is so very afraid of attack from Iranian missiles. Obama just didn’t want to admit that he is a complete idiot, so he gives one of our best allies half a loaf.

pedestrian on October 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I knew I was going to need more whiskey today…

lovingmyUSA on October 21, 2009 at 2:38 PM

It looks as if Obama flipped on Missile defense after Russia flipped on sanctions last week. If so, kudos to Obama — I guess.

jonezee on October 21, 2009 at 2:39 PM

B. Even your “veto” point is ridiculous. Bush issued fewer vetoes than Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc. None in his first term, 12 total.

cs89 on October 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Well, he had Republican backing initially. Later, even Pelosi knew he’d veto.

But that backs my perspective, actually. If Congress absolutely knows where you land, then there is not going to be a lot of energy behind challenges.

Why bother?

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:39 PM

and that the evolving policy should not be viewed as a snub and a weakening of U.S. defense security commitments in the region.

say it ain’t so, Joe…

cmsinaz on October 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM

This flip-flopping is so confusing to the world. No one knows his conviction from day to day and it is destructive to our allies and strengthening to our enemies. This is not the sign of a LEADER. We are rudderless in a stormy ocean.

rjoco1 on October 21, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Yes, and I think that’s a lot more destructive.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Europe gotta be lovin’ them some Obama about now, huh?

Good news (for Euroweenies) is that this new about-face is just a transparent bluff.

Note to Obama administration: When you’ve already shown your cards, it’s too late to bluff.

notropis on October 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM

lovingmyUSA on October 21, 2009 at 2:35 PM

That’s the one I was talking about, thanks. We live in interesting times.

Cindy Munford on October 21, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Once again…dumbfounded.

NavyMustang on October 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Diplomacy’s a long, shady process.

ernesto on October 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM

According to the Polish news media, they\’re talking about deploying the sea-based SM-3 sometime in the future and not a resumption of the original project. That means Aegis destroyers in the Baltic Sea. I doubt the system will be as effective or confer any sort of protection from threats from the Middle East at all. The Russians won\’t be pleased. The operational cost will be huge.

year_of_the_dingo on October 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM

I just think that people are probably waking up to the “weakness” factor.

It’s not about appeasement. If you had a pacifist who definitely drew the line in the dirt, you’d have the same strength as Bush.

What’s important for any American president is to take a stand.

That’s where Obama is goofy.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM

For God’s sake! Can’t the man just eat his waffle?!?

Sugar Land on October 21, 2009 at 2:42 PM

I am in favor of a robust national defense so, um, good for Dear Liar? That just sounds weird, but I have to give credit where credit is due. But I won’t hold my breath until the missile defense is in place.

rbj on October 21, 2009 at 2:43 PM

As with the fact that the dithering is the strategy in Afghanistan, here, the flip-flop IS the strategy. It is the slow bleeding of the US and the total devaluation of the word of the US that he is aiming for, and this is how he does it.

It’s either The Precedent or the US. People must choose.

progressoverpeace on October 21, 2009 at 2:44 PM

The hastily arranged vice presidential trip, which also will include stops in Romania and the Czech Republic this week, was intended to soothe relations and reassure the fledgling NATO…

Some one finally realized that Russia is no friend of the US and will do nothing to help them with Iran.
Amateurs are in the White House.
(And interesting that Hillary got shunted aside on this move.)

Wait until later this winter when Russia starts cutting off natural gas deliveries to the Ukraine and other countries.
We will see how Obama reacts.

albill on October 21, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Right. Russia is saber rattling again and I,too, fully expect them to cut off the gas again, maybe try taking over a small country again.
Obama sure as hell won’t do anything, he’ll still be deciding on troops in Afghanistan.

ORconservative on October 21, 2009 at 2:47 PM

This embarrassment to the US would not have happened while Hillary was still alive.

pedestrian on October 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Obama still wearing his training pants.

Alden Pyle on October 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

is this for real?

Phoenician on October 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

So is this a result of the Obamao White House not having a flipping clue what they’re doing and just making it up as they go along? Or is this a result of the Obamao cult’s utopian vision that if we make the first move, remove missile defense, bare our throat to the enemy, that they will suddenly stop being the enemy and we can skip down the lane together toward world peace? If it’s the latter it raises serious questions on foreign policy. Are we going to continue to ignore the Norks detonating nukes? Are we going to keep giving Iran gobs of time to develop and distribute nuclear bombs? Are we going to allow Russia to inch towards control of Eastern Europe? Are we going to make peace deals with the Taliban so we can cut and run in Afghanistan? Has the Obamao administration learned the lesson yet, or will they continue to concede on every point to madmen, dictators and unmitigated evil? Or does Obamao still believe in some impossible utopia and think he got that Peace prize for the inevitable world peace he feels destined to usher in?

chicagojedi on October 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Leadership! He’s doing it wrong!

ihasurnominashun on October 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Hey, look: On-The-Job-Training in action!

ZenDraken on October 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Another Whiskey Tango Foxtrot caper by the wacky bunch at the White House.

Who are apparently sniffing glue and inhaling paint when they come up with this stuff.

The adults are in charge.

The adult jackasses, that is.

NoDonkey on October 21, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Ooops! Does this mean Barry will have to give the Peace Prize back?

Does ANYONE in this administration know what they are doing?

GarandFan on October 21, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Hey, look: On-The-Job-Training in action!

ZenDraken on October 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM

LOL!

j_galt on October 21, 2009 at 2:53 PM

This was Obama’s plan all along . . . Double Secret Probation . . . he really fooled those Russkies . . . now he’s got them right where they want him . . .

tpitman on October 21, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Training Wheel President

Cicero43 on October 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Hah! I was going to work up something snarky about “let me be clear.” Nevermind!

smellthecoffee on October 21, 2009 at 2:54 PM

You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around……Kindergartners playing kindergarten games

ihasurnominashun on October 21, 2009 at 2:54 PM

the US has reached an agreement with Poland to install land-based missile interceptors.

Phailure.

karl9000 on October 21, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I would ask CSI to do a forensic analysis of the ‘signed documents.

I saw a few days ago that what they were talking about was Patriot missiles which are final phase intercepts, easily neutralized by nukes.

Patriots are last ditch, the defense system was boost and mid flight intercept.

Do the hokey pokey and spin around, the Oba-Mao is a shuck and jive artist.

tarpon on October 21, 2009 at 2:56 PM

If this indeed means another change Mr. Obamas plans for missile defense in Europe, the change would be one that is welcome in Eastern Europe (at least by those in favor of original plan). Because even several times modified plan for land based missile defense assets in Poland is better than no plan at all.

JanisB on October 21, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Barack Hussein Obama…

Making Brett Favre look resolute.

Mmm, mmm, mmm.

turfmann on October 21, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Note the year of deployment: 2018. The administration is basically promising the next administration will sail a couple Aegis destroyers into the Baltic Sea. This is complete vapor-ware.

year_of_the_dingo on October 21, 2009 at 3:00 PM

SMART Power!!1111111!!!!!!!!!!

jukin on October 21, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Smart Diplomacy.

Kafir on October 21, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Honestly, I have no problem with this move. It’s much better to use missile defense as a bargaining chip then to simply give it up.

That said, while its better than abandoning the Poles altogether for nothing, we shouldn’t be using an ally’s security as a bargaining chip.

But I guess at least our friends know that when we betray them, we’ll try to get something for it.

RINO in Name Only on October 21, 2009 at 3:04 PM

All he has to do is declare that Russia isn’t a legitimate country. Problem solved.

Jim Treacher on October 21, 2009 at 3:05 PM

We put our missles in,
We put our missles out,
We put our missles in,
Wave Joe Biden all about.

We do the Hokey Pokey and we turn our troops around,

And that’s what it’s all about.

Lily on October 21, 2009 at 3:05 PM

“And now it appears that the US has reversed itself again.”

I have a feeling this isn’t over yet…

Seven Percent Solution on October 21, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Jimmy Carter is SMILIN!

jukin on October 21, 2009 at 3:08 PM

This is Obama’s reaction to getting stiffed by the Russians. Obama thought he had a deal, the Russians didn’t hold up there end of the deal.

Putting those missiles back into play is an impulsive reaction to a perceived insult.

Skandia Recluse on October 21, 2009 at 3:09 PM

chicagojedi on October 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM

I think the answers to your questions are “all of the above.”

jwolf on October 21, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Second guessing…he made a mistake, we told him and he retreated…at least he retreated.
Nothing like a 28% approval rating to change your mind.

right2bright on October 21, 2009 at 3:11 PM

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