Rich Lowry calls his latest column “Obama the Graceless.” That’s being charitable. If he’s not blaming Bush for the woes he now finds himself in, he’s apologizing for the greatness of America, or attacking his own countrymen. Every time I……

American Research Group (ARG)

F UF
OBAMA
OVERALL 57 41
SEPT 50 45

INDEPENDENTS
OCTOBER 57 42
SEPT 36 57

OTHER RECENT POLLS OF INDEPENDENTS VS ARG:

ARG 10/21 57 32
PPP 10/21 46 44
HARRIS 10/17 40 60
FOX 10/15 42 47
ECON/YOU GUV 10/15 50 43
MARIST 10/14 45 47
RASMUSSEN DTP 10/14 na 61

COMMENT:

We are supposed to believe that Obama is polling at 57F while the Rasmussen DTP and Gallup DTP today show him at 47% and 50% respectively today.

And we are supposed to buy the supposition that Obama has had a 36 point turnaround in his Indie F/UF fortunes in one month when other pollsters do not show anything close to these numbers.

Pure propaganda!

However, he can’t do that while his press secretary continues to sound like the Baghdad Bob of media relations.

I would compare Gibbs more to ACORN’S Glen Isaacson. You don’t see that cretin anymore, but it’s too late.

ACORN and the Obamunists have the same combative attitude toward media relations and while that might play in the friendly confines of Chicago, most Americans find it off putting at best.

These guys view any critic as a threat to be marginalized or better yet, destroyed. That’s what happens when your politics becomes religion.

“If you follow the Rasmussen D.T. like I do (let’s face it, I lead a pathetic, numbers-consumed existence as a software developer), you will note that the poll numbers are in an ever-diminishing cycle downward. Ever since he went negativ on 6/30/09 he has only risen as high as -3 once and to -5 a few times. But the three-day moving average poll trends steadily downward.”

Meanwhile, Rasmussen, Harris, Fox and even Gallup are not showing anything like majority support for a public option.

I’m losing faith in all these polls. Yesterday all I heard was the results from the WaPo/ABC poll and you would think the whole country was demanding a public option. I find that hard to believe.

I’m thinking many of these polls have predetermined results based upon who is paying the bill.

joedoe on October 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM

the WaPO poll is an outlier, it oversamples Democrats and produces much different data than all the other polls.

The best way to read a poll is to look at a poll of polls wher everything is averaged out. Realclearpolitics.com is a great site for this.

Every other reputable poll I can think of from Fox News to Pew to Rasmussen to Gallup has very different findings than WaPo.

1. Who are these people that are changing their mind?
2. What event or policy (since Nov 2008) caused them to change their mind?
3. Is it possible they are just now becoming aware of what we knew 2 years ago?

Think Scott McClellan vs. Tony Snow.

Pablo on October 21, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I loved Tony Snow. :( God bless his soul.

The higher they rise the harder they fall.

How long will it take before Gibbs decides to spend more time with his family?

Very keen insight. But part of me hopes he decides to “press on in the fight” because he is such a horse’s patoot that he actually is helping to defeat his master’s agenda every time he opens his mouth. WORST PRESS SECRETARY EVAH! Oh yeah.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM

For once I agree. The Brits couldn’t handle it and the Russians couldn’t. What was possible in Iraq is not possible there because of the terrain. What is obvious however, is you can’t kick this can down the road. We are getting people killed while we dither. The only reasonable choices are “go all in” or “get out”. Half measures are not going to work.

And yes, I realize he can drag it out til then. I just meant politically, he’d be committing suicide.

Anyone ever get the feeling that he’s only appearing like Barack the Candidate long enough to get all of his crap passed and then the mask comes off? What if he really isn’t that keen on a second term, especially if things get really rough? I just don’t see how the indecision and ideology on steroids survives another 3+ years at this rate.

Wonder what’s going to happen when he gives his acceptence speech for the Peace Prize…

lovingmyUSA on October 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Isn’t that award being given on December 10? That’s a month and a half away. There is absoutely no way the man can stall that long on a decision.

And yes, I realize he can drag it out til then. I just meant politically, he’d be committing suicide.

Doughboy on October 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM

The disgusting reality is that in the mean time soldiers will die while this pimp in the oval office considers his choices on the basis of domestic politics alone. I can safely state that any soldier who dies is worth at least ten times as much to this country as that fatherless rodent in the White House.

Does that mean that Gibbs is secretly a woman? /sarc

Steve Z on October 21, 2009 at 2:03 PM

What do you mean “secretly”?

Doughboy on October 21, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Wonder what’s going to happen when he gives his acceptence speech for the Peace Prize…

Probably you’re right, although I think we’re all very confused about what to do in Afghanastan.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM

It’s not that complicated. The generals need an extra 40,000 troops. Obama has 2 choices: 1) give the generals what they requested or 2) decide that the mission isn’t worth sacrificing anymore American lives and pull us out of there. That’s it. And it’s a decision he needs to make immediately. Will he take a hit politically regardless of what he chooses? Of course. But that’s the burden of being the most powerful person in the world.

This “kicking the can down the road” routine is reprehensible. All the other crap he’s done or is proposing to do shows what a lousy President he is. But refusing to commit to a strategy in Afghanistan while Americans(not to mention other countries’ soldiers) are dying is proof that he has no business sitting in the Oval Office.

although I think we’re all very confused about what to do in Afghanastan.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM

And The Precedent’s intentional dithering, in order to bleed the US and harm our interests (i.e. giving aid and comfort to the enemy) is not “confusion”. Get a grip on reality, if you can.

although I think we’re all very confused about what to do in Afghanastan.

AnninCA on October 21, 2009 at 2:11 PM

No, we’re not.

think it’s gonna stay at that level for a little while. But if/when any of the following occur, he’ll take another hit in his ratings: Obamacare passes, unemployment hits 10%, he refuses the troop increase in Afghanistan, taxes are raised.

If he does all of those, then he’ll likely drop another 10-15 points and remain there for a long time.

Doughboy on October 21, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Probably you’re right, although I think we’re all very confused about what to do in Afghanastan.