Rasmussen: Romney, Huckabee crushing Palin head to head among Republican likely voters

posted at 4:46 pm on October 19, 2009 by Allahpundit

C’mon. You know I had to.

Among likely Republican primary voters, Palin now trails former Arkansas governor-turned-Fox-TV-host Mike Huckabee by 20 points – 55% to 35%.

When her opponent is ex-Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, Palin loses by 15 – 52% to 37%…

Twenty-one percent (21%) of primary voters also say Palin is the GOP candidate they would least like to see win the party’s presidential nomination. Just nine percent (9%) say the same of Romney, and eight percent (8%) feel that way about Huckabee…

Suggesting that Romney’s Mormon faith may still be a problem among some Christian conservatives, Palin leads him by 14 points – 52% to 38% – among GOP primary voters who describe themselves as Evangelical Christians. But Romney beats Palin by 26 points among other Protestants – 58% to 32% – and holds similar winning margins among Catholic voters and those of other faiths.

My suspicion, especially in light of that 21 percent figure, is that this is mainly a measure of Palin vs. Anyone But Palin and has little to do with Huck or Mitt on their own merits. Polls of Romney’s and Huckabee’s approval show that upwards of 30 percent are undecided about them versus just 10 percent for Sarahcuda. In a match-up between “I don’t know him” and “I don’t like her,” no surprise that the undecideds are going to break for the former — which is good news for Palin, since the gap’s bound to narrow as the public becomes more acquainted with the bad points of her competition. What is surprising, and what may puncture my theory, is that this is a poll of likely Republican primary voters, not the general public. It stands to reason that they’re more familiar with Romney and Huckabee than the average joe and it confounds the conventional wisdom that they’re not better disposed to Palin, who’s supposed to be the darling of the shrunken Republican base. How to read this, then? As proof that Huck and Mitt are still relatively unknown even among GOP primary voters? Or as proof that the party’s tent is actually bigger than people think?

While we’re talking Sarahcuda, Conservatives 4 Palin has a smart post about how she’s using new media to get her message out unfiltered by the media prism. Anita Dunn’s taking flak today from the right for supposedly saying that Team Barry used the Internet last year to “control” the media, but C4P is right: What she meant was that the media can’t be trusted to deliver a candidate’s message just the way he/she wants it, so the only option is to “control” them by putting the message out to the public through direct online communications. Palin’s learned that lesson better than her competitors. So far.


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AP’s criticism’s are for the sole purpose of damaging her, and by doing so he damages all of us.

And he told you this when?

Bradky on October 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Now you’re just being stubbornly thick.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 19, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Palin leads him by 14 points – 52% to 38% – among GOP primary voters who describe themselves as Evangelical Christians.

I’m sick of the Christian-bashing mentality of these polls. Evangelical, refers to being a Christian believing in the sole authority and inerrancy of the Bible, in salvation only through regeneration, and in a spiritually transformed personal life. In other words, having a righteous relationship with Christ.

Evangelical, therefore covers a whole range of beliefs yet these polls only reach a very small portion of evangelicals. It has been code for right wing Jesus freaks. The point has to be made that Mike Huckabee’s followers do not hold a monopoly on Christian conservative values.

highhopes on October 19, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Now you’re just being stubbornly thick.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 19, 2009 at 8:44 PM

No just keeping it real my Paliniac friend. Here, have some hearts and roses…

Bradky on October 19, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Love her dearly, but she’s not our influencer, she’s an influence.

PaCadle on October 19, 2009 at 8:51 PM

After all, how did AP begin this post?

C’mon. You know I had to.

He doesn’t bother to conceal his glee. Now Bradky, quit teasing me about hearts and roses. You’re giving me a hardon.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 19, 2009 at 8:52 PM

As I have stated before, Allah pushes Romney (makes him look better), but he forgot to list all the comments above which show Huckabee better than Palin or Romney with the Christian voters. This is on the Rasmussen website:

“On the other hand, Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, beats Palin by 17 points among Evangelical Christians and 29 points among other Protestants. A similar spread is evident among Republican voters of other faiths, but Huckabee has just an eight-point edge over Palin among Catholic voters.”

You see it shows Huckabee is better with them than either one of the other two.

For people on here who complain about Allah and this poll..he didn’t make up the poll. This was taken by
Rasmussen and he called voters who made up the poll, not Rasmussen himself. These are people who were contacted and put their information in this poll. His snide comments about Huckabee shows his bias against him, and, of course, he wants all of you to continue to make negative comments about Huckabee.

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 8:57 PM

2012 will require national money, national experience, and perseverance. Palin: maybe in 2020 (or even 2016), but not this time.

ParisParamus on October 19, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Paris,

Palin, after winning, can ask Mitt to be the Treasury Secretary. Now, you have him in position to influence fiscal policy, monetary policy (working with Fed), etc.

You’ve got the order mixed.

Remember, most of Romney’s people don’t like Sarah and there may some RINO’s in there from McCain’s campaign.

Why should Sarah trust them let alone Mitt?

Sapwolf on October 19, 2009 at 9:00 PM

No just keeping it real my Paliniac friend. Here, have some hearts and roses…

Bradky on October 19, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Bradky the stobbornly thick Cliche Machine, “keeping it real”. Are you channeling Newsweek editorials again?

Janos Hunyadi on October 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM

I’d like to see who supported whom in the primaries for 08…What’s your track record for picking?

ParisParamus on October 19, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I voted for Romney, but only because Huck’s campaign played the religion card on him which is a huge no-no. It’s like playing the race card. It was a lesser of all the evils.

No place for that in the GOP.

Sapwolf on October 19, 2009 at 9:08 PM

I think a lot of Palin’s supporters have become a bit too emotionally invested in her, to the point that they can’t see some clear weaknesses and are blaming the media too much.

If Palin is going to recover, she will need to realize that she has made mistakes and find a way to deal with them – she has blamed “gotcha politics”, but I don’t think that really appeals to anyone but the right. Centrists have real doubts about her, and complaining about her critics won’t help. Because of that, whether or not she has been treated unfairly, she doesn’t need supporters encouraging her to feel victimized.

RINO in Name Only on October 19, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I don’t think she is without flaw, and I’d be happy to discuss them. But just as there are people here who don’t want to hear any criticism of her, there are also some who, no matter what kind of argument you make in support of her, they don’t want to hear it. They’ve decided she’s unelectable and that’s that. I can’t speak for others but for me, it’s rather frustrating.

I happen to believe she does share a lot in common with Reagan, particularly in terms of temperament and political instinct. I also believe that she can be elected and in fact, if she decides to run in 2012 (and I think she will) she will win. That doesn’t mean I think she can sit back on her laurels for three years and expect to coast into the White House, however. Of course she has work to do. The “quitter” meme will be her greatest hurdle to overcome, I think. But I believe her book and accompanying speaking engagements (including TV appearances) will go a long way toward changing some minds. I don’t think moderates and independents know enough about her to be able to make an informed decision about her. Really, Gov. Palin’s positions on most issues are pretty mainstream. Once people learn that about her, they’ll grow more comfortable with her.

NoLeftTurn on October 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM

I also voted for Romney in the primaries, and I would vote for him again with a clear conscience if he were the prez candidate.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Update from TR: The News-Leader reports that “Sarah Palin will speak on patriotism, citizenship and civic engagement at College of the Ozarks at 7 p.m. Dec. 2 in the Keeter Gymnasium.”

“Sarah Palin is a great example of an individual who became involved in her small town community and whose efforts and success eventually placed her in the national spotlight,” said Sue Head, executive director of The Keeter Center for Character Education. “We are looking forward to hosting her at the college.”

Call me a cultist, but I am so there. ;o)

NoLeftTurn on October 19, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Bradky the stobbornly thick Cliche Machine, “keeping it real”. Are you channeling Newsweek editorials again?

Janos Hunyadi on October 19, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Ah Tyrone’s companion has arrived to defend his honor.

Bradky on October 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM

5 rules of criticism I wish all posters at HA IMHO should observe:

Let me explain them using sport’s analogies:

1)Romney and Huckabee cannot win in 2012 because they lost to McCain in 2008

That’s like saying that if a team loses in the AFC Championship that sometime in the next 4 years they have no chance to advance to the Super Bowl. Do you remember how Peyton Manning and the Colts were dubbed losers before they won the Super Bowl during the 2006 season? Past may be prologue but it is not determinative. My opposition to Romney and Huckabee is not based on past perception but on their current and future ideas and their proposed policies

2)”Sarah Palin has been Quaylized; she is unelectable”

Do you really believe there are no second acts in American life as F Scott Fitzgerald suggested? C’mon man there are hundreds of famous resurrections in sports history-Andre Agassi falling to the depths and later becoming the #1 tennis player in the world. How about Randy Moss? And in regards to Sarah Palin why are so many people purchasing Going Rogue if she is a “fallen idol”? Do you really believe that Palin’s book tour will have no affect on her poll numbers? Quayle disappeared from public life completely after Bush lost in 1992; Sarah has not.

3)Huckabee is Elmer Gantry

First Gantry was a fictional character who perverted religion and used it to enhance his personal wealth and to extend his influence and was simply a hypocrite. As far as I can tell Fox News is not a church and Huckabee is making his money the old fashioned way talking predominantly about secular and political issues not religious doctrine or the Bible. I am not a Huckabee fan but it is not because he was once a preacher.

It’s like stereotyping a wrestler as an evil person because of his persona/role in the ring.

4)Tim Pawlenty allowed Al Franken to be elected as Senator from Minnesota

This is simply not true. It’s like saying that a wild pitch caused a baseball game to be lost by denying many previous events that led up to the loss.

5)Mitt Romney cannot win the 2012 GOP nomination because he is a Mormon

That’s like saying that a black man cannot quarterback a football team. If Romney does not gain the nomination it will hopefully be because enough folks don’t find his political views palatable.

technopeasant on October 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Ah Tyrone’s companion has arrived to defend his honor.

Tell it to your mama.

Tyrone Slothrop on October 19, 2009 at 9:25 PM

PART 1

I would like to respond to some of the comments on here (I have read all the responses);

Sandybourne:
Mike Huckabee is TOTALLY AGAINST CAP & TRADE and said so on his show this weekend. You see how untruthful some of the posts are to make Huckabee look bad?

Don’t think Mike Huckabee hasn’t had any bad press like Sarah Palin…how do you think all of you had so much (wrong) information about Huckabee’s record in Arkansas? From the last campaign with all Romney’s half-truth ads and the Club for Growth who conveniently smeared Huckabee by slanting his record (like the MSM does in ABC,CBS,NBC, etc does about Sarah and all the Republican info). You know they do, so why would you not think that Romney (a rival) and CFG who had Romney’s $500,000 “donation” to smear Huckabee in the last campaign to be the absolute truth? Of course, I can’t leave out all of you for the vile and vicious comments you make about Mike Huckabee. You don’t hear things like that on Huckabee’s websites about Sarah Palin.

BTW, those who like Duncan Hunter and his stand on immigration…he endorsed Mike Huckabee after he dropped out of the race. About mid-primary, Mike Huckabee signed a pledge (the only candidate to do so) against accepting amnesty for the illegal immigrants. He wants them to go to the back of the line for getting their legal status as citizens. He changed his mind, but the good news is that
he is on the right track now.

Mike Huckabee has always been a hunter and showed that very clearly in the primaries in 2008 long before Sarah Palin was on the scene..so he wasn’t copying her.

BTW, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin all have a base of supporters right now…not just Sarah.

Mike Huckabee has always gotten great crowds when he campaigned and now when he does speeches, etc. Yes, he has made a great decision having his TV show (he saw what how Republican Establishment mischaracterized him in 2008. He won’t have that show if he joins the race, but the people who have already seen him (2+ years) will still have had the opportunity to see who he is (good name recognition and how he feels about the issues)….he didn’t have the money to put out that info last primary.

Mike Huckabee has published 5 or more books he has written. His last book,”Do the Right Thing” did try to clarify his record in Arkansas. It was on the NYT Best Seller list for several weeks. I know it won’t compare to Palin’s,but Huckabee sells lots of books. Yes, he said some negative things about Romney,but they were about how Romney doesn’t stand by his principles..nothing about his Mormon religion. Those comments were a very small part of the book. He has another “Christmas” book coming out in November, 2009.

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 9:36 PM

PART 2 – Responses to Mike Huckabee comments

Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin are both fundamentalist Christians, connect with people and are authentic politicians.

Mike Huckabee is NOT a disgrace and if he’s so disliked, why did he get 30% of the vote in this poll against Romney and Palin? He couldn’t have got 30% without having more support than just Evangelicals.

For those of you who think Sarah Palin can only go higher, remember, because she is so well known, the Dems will be sure and let everybody know she “QUIT” her term as Gov. and that will be a BIG factor against Sarah no matter how much we try to justify it. The people in America will only remember she “quit”. Yes, if she goes around the country campaigning, I believe, like Mike Huckabee, that people will start being a Sarah Palin follower because they hear her and see her. Unfortunately, the MSM will continue to bring up what happened in the Gen. Elec. My brothers have listened to those comments by the MSM and believe she is stupid (they are like lots of people) and many voters will not give her the chance to be President (wrong or right) and vote for her in 2012. If she waits until 2016, maybe lots of them will forget. Who knows! But the MSM will not stop repeating her past actions.

BTW, Mike Huckabee ran the most decent campaign in 2008. It was Mitt Romney who ran ads against any rival who happened to be in the lead. He was the one who came out with negative campaigning (with the exception of his one comment/question to the reporter about the Mormon religion.) MH immediately apologized to Romney and was on TV two different times apologizing to the Mormons Don’t think it will be MH against Sarah Palin with negative campaigning, but I’m sure Romney will be doing his share.

When Mike Huckabee was Gov. of Arkansas the spending grew because the state grew a lot during his 10 1/2 yr tenure. He had to have a bigger staff and the state was in terrible condition, so his job as Gov. was to help Arkansas and that’s what he did….raised some taxes to get money they didn’t have, and lowered taxes 99 times (which was the first time taxes had been lowered in Ark). He was reelected in a very Dem. state overwhelmingly, so lots of people in Arkansas must have liked how he governed (obviously not all – nobody has everybody like the way you govern).

Mike Huckabee is not a perfect candidate…nobody is. But he comes across as a likeable person who is civil and respectful to the Dems he has on his show but he still gets his Conservative views out there too. That’s probably why Independents and Democrats vote for him within a very small number of points as much as Romney. That will be important in the general election.

I have made posts on HA showing how very similar Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin are…will you please support and vote for Mike Huckabee if Sarah doesn’t run or drops out of the race in the 2012 primary?

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 9:40 PM

For the person who showed how Sarah Palin could win in the general election…those same figures would apply to Mike Huckabee, and he would have more Independents and Moderate Democrats cross over and vote for him (they hate Sarah) which would help MH a lot. The 4,000,000 people who watch his show every week have found out who he is and they like what they see…his show is the #1 ranked Cable show every weekend. Lots of those people are Independents and Dems too. I’m trying to show why Mike Huckabee could win in the General Election better than Sarah (at least right now).

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Hey, I LIVE HERE!!!! The one with the inaccurate picture of Huckabee’s record in Arkansas is YOU! I lived through it, I know full well what he is all about. Stop peddling half-truths. The guy is NOT a conservative, and he will never be elected POTUS!

NoLeftTurn on October 19, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Palin would stomp these RINOs in a debate.

Now, if she has any of the McCain campaign “managers”/losers on her team, then probably not.

Dr. ZhivBlago on October 19, 2009 at 10:08 PM

veni vidi vici on October 19, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Exactly why we need closed primaries.
Like him or not, Romney killed in closed primaries, early on, and lost in caucus and open primary states.

True conservatives (thinking Palin here) will always rise to the top in a closed primary.

massrighty on October 19, 2009 at 10:12 PM

ScFoxFan on October 19, 2009 at 5:31 PM

PALIN IS SUFFERING FROM A PARADOX,THE MAJORITY OF THE GOP LOVE HER (OR AT LEAST HAVE A LOT OF AFFECTION FOR HER) BUT ARE AFRAID SHE COULDN’T WIN. SO, SHE HAS TO CONVINCE THEM THAT SHE CAN.

Your analysis hits the mark and summarizes my feelings exactly. I called it “a legitimacy gap”. If the run up to the Super Bowl of the GOP (2012 primaries) was in the middle of the 4th quarter, I would agree that Palin’s outlook would be bleak, but we are hardly into the first quarter of the “game”-Palin hasn’t even hit the field yet.

How can anyone really judge the impact of her future performance on her poll numbers in the next 6 months or a year? If you can could you please tell me what the stock market will be sitting at in 6 months or in October 2010.

technopeasant on October 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM

NoLeftTurn,

You may live in Arkansas, but obviously from the polls (even in Arkansas during the primaries in how they voted for MH) there are lots MORE people who do like the way he governed in Arkansas.

From what he was given when he became Gov., he governed as Conservatively as he could and still accomplish a lot in Arkansas during his tenure.

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Thank you, Technopeasant, for your message on your 5 rules for criticism. You are fair and even handed with all three candidates.

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 10:17 PM

“This is a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party and its future.

On the one hand, you have the Reagan revolution. You have the Reagan coalition of limited government and strong national security. On the other hand, you have the direction that Governor Huckabee would take us in. He would be a Christian leader, but he would also bring about liberal economic policies, liberal foreign policies. He believes we have an arrogant foreign policy in the tradition of blame America first.

He believes that Guantanamo should be closed down and those enemy combatants brought here to the United States to find their way into the court system eventually. He believes in taxpayer-funded programs for illegals, as he did in Arkansas.

He has the endorsement of the National Education Association and the NEA said it was because of his opposition to vouchers.

He said he would sign a bill that would ban smoking nationwide.

So much for federalism. So much for states rights. So much for individual rights. That’s not the model of the Reagan coalition, that’s the model of the Democratic Party.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbWZwQ06ZwY&feature=player_embedded

beachgirlusa on October 19, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum, is even more blunt. “He [Huckabee] destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles,” she says. “Yet some of the same evangelicals who sold us on George W. Bush as a ‘compassionate conservative’ are now trying to sell us on Mike Huckabee.”

beachgirlusa on October 19, 2009 at 10:21 PM

“They don’t have a coalition. McCain doesn’t have one. Huckabee doesn’t have one. They want to transform the party into a center-left party like these so-called conservative parties in Europe, and to do that, they’ve gotta say, “The Reagan era is over,” and they have to embrace expediency, which, in the end, of course, is a losing proposition. Let me hit you right between the eyes here. If you want to find out what would happen to the country with a McCain or Huckabee president, take a look at what’s happened to Governor Schwarzenegger in California. Here was a guy who actively ran as a conservative and as a Republican and, as you know, was elected. We all know now what has happened to him.” Rush Limbaugh

beachgirlusa on October 19, 2009 at 10:23 PM

Bradky on October 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Bradky, how can you always NOT get the point?

I’m not defending anyone’s honor–is that one more of your sad attempts at sounding clever? ( another Fail )

I’m here to ridicule YOU: the resident Chunky Dummy who won’t admit he’s a lib and so poses as Something Else–but somehow always finds fault with conservatives.

You’re as transparent as you are dim………

Janos Hunyadi on October 19, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Really, Gov. Palin’s positions on most issues are pretty mainstream. Once people learn that about her, they’ll grow more comfortable with her.

NoLeftTurn on October 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM

I agree 100% on that. While the characterization of her being a bit weak on policy and experience had some truth to it, the characterization of her being a crazy right winger was just absurd.

And I also agree, some moderates haven’t been helping by continually lobbing snide comments at her. If she isn’t fit, we’ll find out in the primaries.

In all honesty, all of the “X in 2012″, “Y is the only way we’ll win,” “Z can never win”, “W is too liberal”, “Q is too conservative”, “Premise running thin is not qualified” comments are sort of driving me crazy. I know I shouldn’t blame people for being passionate, but it seems just a bit crazy to say anything about the 2012 election now – in political terms this is really an eternity, and several sex scandals, away.

RINO in Name Only on October 19, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Why does anyone even care what polls say 3+ years out from the election?
Let’s see, who was way out in front in 2005 and how did they fare?

lonestar1 on October 19, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Do you accept the results regarding health care opposition run by Rasmussen? If you do, you should have no beef with this poll.

Bradky on October 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

I think the poll’s pretty accurate, and the results aren’t all that surprising. We’ve had a year now hearing pretty steadily that Palin’s an unelectable bimbo. We haven’t had a campaign, and we don’t even know if she’s running or not. We’ll see how it all plays out in 2011 and beyond.

ddrintn on October 19, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Beachgirlusa,

To respond to some of your comments on Mike Huckabee:
First of all, the was referring to the arrogant bunker mentality of George Bush because he had Rumsfield who would not change policies which showed a stubbornness in the Administration that didn’t change until GWB replaced Rumsfield. If you remember, that’s what most people said about him not changing Rumsfield, they just didn’t say it with the exact words. The meaning was the same. He wasn’t bashing GWB, he was not bashing America, he was saying they continued to be stubborn about some Iraqi policies even when it was evident they needed to be changed.

MH wanted to give children of illegal immigrants a chance to compete for scholarships because they were being punished for the sins of their parents. He also wanted them to be on the path to citizenship first.

He wanted to ban smoking in workplaces or restaurents where non-smokers were NOT ban smoking everywhere in the U.S. MH had Ann Coulter on his Huckabee show and explained that to her.

Mike Huckabee has always supported Ronald Reagan and his limited government and strong national security. He backed GWB on the Iraq war.

He can’t help the endorsement by the NEA when he ran for President during the primaries. He supported the teachers…remember he was trying to raise the school eduction level from 49th in the nation. I don’t know about the vouchers,but I’ll bet lots of Conservatives didn’t go along with vouchers either.

Mike Huckabee is a populist as is Sarah Palin and that would help them a lot in the general election because they also care about the middle class and the poor (not just the rich and people on Wall Street as the Republican stigma seems to always be.

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 10:55 PM

As far as these polls aren’t accurate…they are for now (if that means anything). But you can’t compare them to the candidates in 2008 because Guiliani might have been a force to be reckoned with if his campaign manager had not had such a TERRIBLE plan to win the primaries….stay out until Florida…by that time, the dye had been cast.

Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin or Romney won’t be that stupid to have that same plan. Of course, name recognition had a lot to do with who is ahead. McCain had many, many Republicans mad at him for his McCain/Feingold and other Liberal legislature and they were against him…hence his poll numbers going way down. But when the choice became about good foreign policy knowledge, the electorate swallowed who they preferred to McCain because of that experience. That is exactly what Romney is doing now…following in McCain’s footsteps…beefing up his foreign policy, not mentioning Christian talking points in his speech to VV so he could still attract atheists, secular people and Independents, stressing he is now a moderate instead of a Social Conservative. He saw McCain being successful last time with this philosophy and is trying the same thing. Changing his tune again to get the votes.

Mike Huckabee either won or was a close second in the straw poll for VV right before the primary season which projected him up to the front tier and with the Christians supporting him in Iowa over Romney by 9%, he was a person to be reckoned with. I guess we could have a candidate do better than Huckabee in the VV right before the primary in 2012, but I doubt it (unless it would be Sarah Palin).

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM

RINO in Name Only,

I don’t agree with you to say that Mike Huckabee can never win (the polls are telling another story right now) or
Sarah Palin is too polarizing (she can turn that statement around if she wants to). This is really limiting our ability to really see the strengths and weaknesses in every candidate. The reason I am here is to help all of you get a fuller picture of how Huckabee governed in Arkansas and what he did and sometimes why he did it to help explain some people’s definition of him as being a liberal tax & spender in Arkansas, so maybe you can understand and maybe accept him better.

Please watch his show on Fox News, “Huckabee”. He usually talks about issues so you can hear for yourself what he believes and then decide for yourself. He also criticizes Obama and his policies like Healthcare and Cap and Trade. I don’t hear much of anybody else defending him here,and just like Sarah,some poor information is out there that needs to be explained.

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Huckabee & Romney seem like RINOs to me. Definitely not conservative, mostly Republican. If I said anymore you would be slipping on your own vomit had you a brain that could send you a synapse. But I doubt that is the case. I fear that most of the US “population” is as friggin retarded as they’re regarded in Europe.

Coronagold on October 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM

I don’t know about y’all, but this Palin supporter is happy to see those numbers. Now the left will start ignoring the irrelevant Sarah Palin and launch a campaign to destroy Huckabee and Romney. Right?

Mr. Wednesday Night on October 19, 2009 at 11:24 PM

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM

Why don’t you produce these polls of which you speak? Not that they mean anything anyway. No one is going to care in 2012 how Mike Huckabee polled in his own state in 2006.

BTW, would you expect him to have NOT won his own state in the primary? Hillary won by a huge margin as well — we see how well that worked out for her.

You are flat WRONG that Huckabee governed here as a conservative, unless by conservative you mean the telling-people-how-to-live-their-lives kind of conservative. I notice you never bother to address any of the facts I present about his abysmal record. He’s a tax-happy, ethically challenged, big government Republican who is soft on crime, soft on illegals, and big on telling people what to do. A big fat NO to him as POTUS. I’d vote for McCain again before I voted for Huckabee.

NoLeftTurn on October 19, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Now the left will start ignoring the irrelevant Sarah Palin and launch a campaign to destroy Huckabee and Romney. Right?

Mr. Wednesday Night on October 19, 2009 at 11:24 PM

Don’t hold your breath. Instead, brace yourself for loads of articles and columns and TV commentary telling us how Romney is our only electable hope, the only one who will be able to pull in those vital moderates and independents. Same sh**, different cycle.

ddrintn on October 19, 2009 at 11:30 PM

Sarah’s speaking in Milwaukee on November 6th.
I just bought tickets….

The Wisconsin Right to Life is hosting the event,
But she will be talking about a lot of things…..
I’m HONORED:)

idesign on October 19, 2009 at 11:51 PM

If Huckabee is indeed the front runner why hasn’t Obama in addition to attacking Fox News attacked the presence of Huckabee on its network and his use of his platform as a Fox host to unfairly attack the Obama administration.

technopeasant on October 19, 2009 at 11:55 PM

How to read this, then? As proof that Huck and Mitt are still relatively unknown even among GOP primary voters? Or as proof that the party’s tent is actually bigger than people think?

I’m as conservative as they come and I wouldn’t want to choose Palin either so I don’t think it’s that our tent is bigger; it may just be that some true conservatives (like me) simply don’t like Palin. I don’t like Romney or Huck either. I was warming up to Huck due to his show, but with his telling us not to “whine” over the Nobel, I’m back to really disliking him. I voted for Romney in the primary (sincve by that time, Fred! was out) but I don’t really care for him either. Whoever wins the primary though will have my support 110%.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on October 20, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Technopeasant,

Obama just ignores Huckabee too. I guess he doesn’t think because the Republican Establishment didn’t and probably won’t ever support Huckabee,that Obama doesn’t have to worry about Huckabee being a contender.

But Mike Huckabee went right to the voters in the primary of 2008, and they liked what they saw and heard from him. That’s one of the reasons I’m sure he has his show, so he can get his message out and people can get to know him. If Obama started seeing the Wash. elite defending or supporting Huckabee, I’m sure he would start speaking out about what Huckabee says about him on his show.

You know Mike Huckabee’s show is so popular because he treats all of his guests, Republicans and Dems. with respect and doesn’t interrupt them. There have been many Dems say Huckabee is their favorite Republican because he is civil to them…Huckabee does state his Conservative opinion on issues. Bill Mayer, who hates Christians, was on the “Huckabee” show and he said at the end of the interview, he said Mike Huckabee was one of his favorite Republicans. Now Mayer had crazy ideas about Chrisianity, Huckabee would smile and then tell him what Christians believe on that particular question.

Joy Behar on the “View” said Mike Huckabee was her favorite Republican. He is kind and respectful to everybody. They don’t get that on Hannity, O’Reilly or Beck.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 12:24 AM

AsiansGirl,

The reason Mike Huckabee said not to whine is because the Democrats have started being successful in labeling the Republicans as the party of “No”. We have to be a party that can tell what we would do to solve a problem,not just say “no” for the sake of being against the Dems. The people in this country need to see we are a good alternative to Obama (with his very high numbers of popularity) and if ALL we do is say how bad Obama is, we aren’t showing the American people what our ideas are.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticize Obama when he has terrible policies, like healthcare or the Cap and Trade, but we have to say why they are terrible, not just call him names. Huckabee has very good instincts as a politician, and I think reads the American public pretty good, so he was trying to telll the Republicans how to win over the hearts and minds of Americans. He was trying to help us.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 12:31 AM

When either Huck or Romney can state their position a concise of this on health care get back to me.

Good Intentions Aren’t Enough with Health Care Reform
Today at 8:57pm
Now that the Senate Finance Committee has approved its health care bill, it’s a good time to step back and take a look at the long term consequences should its provisions be enacted into law.

The bill prohibits insurance companies from refusing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and from charging sick people higher premiums. [1] It attempts to offset the costs this will impose on insurance companies by requiring everyone to purchase coverage, which in theory would expand the pool of paying policy holders.

However, the maximum fine for those who refuse to purchase health insurance is $750. [2] Even factoring in government subsidies, the cost of purchasing a plan is much more than $750. The result: many people, especially the young and healthy, will simply not buy coverage, choosing to pay the fine instead. They’ll wait until they’re sick to buy health insurance, confident in the knowledge that insurance companies can’t deny them coverage. Such a scenario is a perfect storm for increasing the cost of health care and creating an unsustainable mandate program.

Those driving this plan no doubt have good intentions, but good intentions aren’t enough. There were good intentions behind the drive to increase home ownership for lower-income Americans, but forcing financial institutions to give loans to people who couldn’t afford them had terrible unintended consequences. We all felt those consequences during the financial collapse last year. Unintended consequences always result from top-down big government plans like the current health care proposals, and we can’t afford to ignore that fact again.

Supposedly the Senate Finance bill will be paid for by cutting Medicare by nearly half a trillion dollars and by taxing the so-called “Cadillac” health care plans enjoyed by many union members. The plan will also impose heavy taxes on insurers, pharmaceutical companies, medical device companies, and clinical labs. [3] The result of all of these taxes is clear. As Douglas Holtz-Eakin noted in the Wall Street Journal, these new taxes “will be passed on to consumers by either directly raising insurance premiums, or by fueling higher health-care costs that inevitably lead to higher premiums.” [4] Unfortunately, it will lead to lower wages too, as employees will have to sacrifice a greater percentage of their paychecks to cover these higher premiums. [5] In other words, if the Democrats succeed in overhauling health care, we’ll all bear the costs. The Senate Finance bill is effectively a middle class tax increase, and as Holtz-Eakin points out, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation those making less than $200,000 will be hit hardest. [6]

With our country’s debt and deficits growing at an alarming rate, many of us can’t help but wonder how we can afford a new trillion dollar entitlement program. The president has promised that he won’t sign a health care bill if it “adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade.” [7] But his administration also promised that his nearly trillion dollar stimulus plan would keep the unemployment rate below 8%. [8] Last month, our employment rate was 9.8%, the highest it’s been in 26 years. [9] At first the current administration promised that the stimulus would save or create 3 to 4 million jobs. [10] Then they declared that it created 1 million jobs, but the stimulus reports released this week showed that a mere 30,083 jobs have been created, while nearly 3.4 million jobs have been lost since the stimulus was passed. [11] Should we believe the administration’s claims about health care when their promises have proven so unreliable about the stimulus?

In January 2008, presidential candidate Obama promised not to negotiate behind closed doors with health care lobbyists. In fact, he committed to “broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are. Because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process. And overcoming the special interests and the lobbyists…” [12] However, last February, after serving only a few weeks in office, President Obama met privately at the White House with health care industry executives and lobbyists. [13] Yesterday, POLITICO reported that aides to President Obama and Democrat Senator Max Baucus met with corporate lobbyists in April to help “set in motion a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign, primarily financed by industry groups, that has played a key role in bolstering public support for health care reform.” [14] Needless to say, their negotiations were not broadcast on C-SPAN for the American people to see.

Presidential candidate Obama also promised that he would not “sign any nonemergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House Web site for five days.” [15] PolitiFact reports that this promise has already been broken three times by the current administration. [16] We can only hope that it won’t be broken again with health care reform.

All of this certainly gives the appearance of politics-as-usual in Washington with no change in sight.

Americans want health care reform because we want affordable health care. We don’t need subsidies or a public option. We don’t need a nationalized health care industry. We need to reduce health care costs. But the Senate Finance plan will dramatically increase those costs, all the while ignoring common sense cost-saving measures like tort reform. Though a Congressional Budget Office report confirmed that reforming medical malpractice and liability laws could save as much as $54 billion over the next ten years, tort reform is nowhere to be found in the Senate Finance bill. [17]

Here’s a novel idea. Instead of working contrary to the free market, let’s embrace the free market. Instead of going to war with certain private sector companies, let’s embrace real private-sector competition and allow consumers to purchase plans across state lines. Instead of taxing the so-called “Cadillac” plans that people get through their employers, let’s give individuals who purchase their own health care the same tax benefits we currently give employer-provided health care recipients. Instead of crippling Medicare, let’s reform it by providing recipients with vouchers so that they can purchase their own coverage.

Now is the time to make your voices heard before it’s too late. If we don’t fight for the market-oriented, patient-centered, and result-driven reform plan that we deserve, we’ll be left with the disastrous unintended consequences of the plans currently being cooked up in Washington.

- Sarah Palin

Footnotes at link.
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?v=app_2347471856&ref=mf

Also, has either Huck or Romney made their views know on the weakening dollar, energy policy, Afghanistan or China (Hong Kong speech by SP). I sure have not read or seen anything yet and I am still waiting.

Clyde5445 on October 20, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Joy Behar on the “View” said Mike Huckabee was her favorite Republican. He is kind and respectful to everybody. They don’t get that on Hannity, O’Reilly or Beck.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Right here you lost all creditability when you use Behar as a source and NO I will not respond to idiocy like this.

Clyde5445 on October 20, 2009 at 12:48 AM

The sad part of all this is that neither Romney nor Huckabee are TRUE CONSERVATIVES. They are conservative on some issues and very liberal on others. Here we are in this day and age talking about how the GOP can recover, how they must get back to the basis, and the two leading candidates picked by those on the right are as center right as there are. We don’t need a RINO as a president that will only be a “light” liberal expanding government, going along with detrimental politics such as the environmental lobby, and simply giving more reasons to the country that the GOP is almost the same as the Dems.

ptcamn on October 20, 2009 at 1:06 AM

NoLeftTurn,

I will try to discuss some of the issues you bring up:

Huckabee:
Tax happy – if you call raising some taxes to get the money to improve the schools and roads, yes, he did. BUT, he also reduced taxes 99 times. He had to balance the budget in Arkansas as I’m sure you know.

Ethically Challenged – Mike Huckabee had friends who wanted to buy him and his wife housewarming presents because they bought a new house they were going to move into after he left office. They didn’t have a “Housewarming Registry”,so they made a “Wedding Registry” so they didn’t have to continually tell people what they needed. The Democrats hated him because they couldn’t beat him when he ran for Gov., so they made up ethics violations, just like the Dems made up ethic violations against Sarah Palin. They were different ethic violations, but the premise the same, try to destroy his reputation so they could beat him the next election. Did you believe everything the Democratic Arkansas paper said about Mike Huckabee? Come on, do you believe what the Dems said about Sarah in Alaska? No, you don’t, so give Mike Huckabee a break too.

Soft on crime:
I know Gov. Huckabee was very upset with the inmate who the Board released that went back and killed another woman. He said he was very sorry about that and accepted responsibility for believing the person. It wasn’t just because the inmate claimed to be a Christian, but he had a excellent record in prison that also showed he had changed. Gov. Huckabee was fooled along with the Board.
There was a poster who wrote a comment I read on a post like HA last year that said the judicial system was terrible in Arkansas and they consistently gave Blacks more severe sentences than whites. I don’t know if this is true: probably you know better than I do. As you know, unlike other states or Governors, MH took his responsibility seriously in looking at every inmates record who requested a parole and deciding if they deserved to be paroled. If there were a lot of Blacks, which there usually are in jail, that could explain why he would see that they had already served as long as the white inmates for the same crime, so he paroled them. I don’t think all states have the same policies regarding paroles as Arkansas.

Big Government:
If the state grew during his tenure, and from my understanding it did, it would automatically necessitate more spending because of more people and as you know Arkansas wasn’t exactly in good shape before Huckabee took office. I have heard lots of posters from Arkansas say he was one of the “best” Governors Arkansas ever had.

If you don’t support Mike Huckabee in the Presidential primary in 2012, that’s your choice, but he had the most excutive experience as Gov. of any of the 2008 candidates, both Dem & Repub.Gov.Jindal complimented Gov.Huckabee on his excellent help during the LA hurricane. After the storm hit, Gov.Huckabee immediately told his staff – don’t worry about all the red tape, let’s just help the people in LA. He accepted many, many victims of that hurricane in Arkansas and did it quickly. In other words, he showed leadership in that terrible tragedy.

He’s not ashamed of being a Christian, but during the debates, he was always getting the “Christian” questions and he wanted to talk about his record in Ark. because he didn’t have the money to put up ads to counterattack Romney and the CFG. People saw this and assumed that is all he was…a Christian preacher, but he had more experience as Gov. than preacher. The radio and TV pundits always referred to him as the Baptist preacher to turn off people who wouldn’t vote for a preacher. It didn’t work because he still was 2nd and he got 10-13% of the votes from Republicans, not just Evangelicals, after he left the primary. The Rombots on Townhall said,”Well Mitt Romney wanted to support McCain, that’s why he didn’t get all those votes. You know that’s rubbish because Romney couldn’t have told the whole U.S. that, and Huckabee hadn’t even campaigned in those states, but they still liked him enough to vote for him knowing he didn’t have a chance to win..he was already out of the race. You would have to go back and search on the internet for the states that came
after…I think OH was one. Realclearpolitics archives would probably have that info.

Telling people what to do:
Think about it..Huckabee was diagnosed with Diabetes and they told him if he didn’t lose weight, he could die. Maybe he was trying to help the children so they woudn’t get heavy like him and get diabetes, so he tried to make sure there was good things to choose in school. Maybe that wasn’t such a Conservative move, but given his diabetes report I’m sure it scared him enough to try and help the kids.

I have already explained about the smoking on another post I did…he wanted to stop the smoking in restaurants and businesses across America, not stop smoking everywhere. He explained this to Ann Coulter. You see how you can have a small piece of infomation, but when it’s reported if somebody doesn’t like you and wants to turn off people to support Huckabee in this case, they just leave off some of the facts which then is not accurate reporting…just like with Sarah Palin.

I guess the reason I didn’t address your issues before is because you seemed so adament against Gov. Huckabee, I didn’t think it would do any good to write you back, and I still don’t. But, I am trying to be courteous to you since you repeated that request for me to respond.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 1:14 AM

Clyde4445,

I was using Bill Mayer and Joy Behar saying those things about Mike Huckabee being their favorite Republican because they are the “extreme” liberals. If they say that, then lots of Dems who watch his show, “Huckabee” are thinking the same thing and if Obama has not brought back the jobs and the economy is still in the tank, these Dems might look at “the Republican nominee” as an alternative to Obama. But, they would probably not choose somebody they didn’t like. That’s why if Mike Huckabee is liked as a Republican by the Dems, he could possibly garner more Dem voters in 2012.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 1:23 AM

Right here you lost all creditability when you use Behar as a source and NO I will not respond to idiocy like this.

Clyde5445

Same here.

beachgirlusa on October 20, 2009 at 2:14 AM

I was using Bill Mayer and Joy Behar saying those things about Mike Huckabee being their favorite Republican because they are the “extreme” liberals.
VFT

VFT, with all due respect you appear to be very naive. If Huck is liked by Maher or Behar and their ilk that alone should tell you something….and not for the good lol

beachgirlusa on October 20, 2009 at 2:19 AM

Bradky sucks.

Americannodash on October 20, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Again VFT, I don’t mean to be disrespectful of your support of Huck, we all have our preferences. But for every argument you bring up in favor I can bring up just as many in opposition. I went through this many, many, many times in my own group with Huck supporters; believe me when I say I know his background as governor, I know his views on foreign policy and all the other issues.

And I trust my own instincts. I didn’t like the guy from the first, anyone with the slightest bit of discernment can tell a phony right off the bat, why do you think so many people use the words “snake-oil salesman” to describe him? The garbage he pulled with regard to Romney alone, (and no, I’m not Mormon/LDS) merely solidified my initial gut reaction of distrust and I was right.

These are probably the kindest words I’ve used about Huck, rest assured you wouldn’t want to hear my unkind ones so I’ll stop for now.

beachgirlusa on October 20, 2009 at 2:49 AM

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 11:19 PM

I think you must have me confused with a different RINO…

RINO in Name Only on October 20, 2009 at 2:57 AM

Some don’t. Some, like me, either avoid the polls or point out that they don’t matter either way, because they don’t. Some people, though, act like Allah just raped their dog when he posts a poll they don’t like. Stop killing the messenger.

MadisonConservative on October 19, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Jesu H. Cristo, stop the Suckup Madness!

Allah will still let you put up your Toilet Room posts even if you take a break from massaging his nether regions once in a while mmmmkay?

rinohumper on October 20, 2009 at 4:58 AM

2)”Sarah Palin has been Quaylized; she is unelectable”

Do you really believe there are no second acts in American life as F Scott Fitzgerald suggested? C’mon man there are hundreds of famous resurrections in sports history-Andre Agassi falling to the depths and later becoming the #1 tennis player in the world. How about Randy Moss?

Technopeasant

Maybe I missed it….when did we have that vote that allowed Agassi and Moss to rekindle their careers? Maybe it wasn’t on my ballot due to a typo. It’s interesting how you had to go to sports history to find examples to back up your argument instead of political history. Wonder why that is?

If politics were an athletic event, Palin might have a shot. Too bad for her it relies on getting votes. Because of that, like it or not, she IS unelectable.

xblade on October 20, 2009 at 5:25 AM

While this may or may not be true, what difference does it make, really?
In case you weren’t aware, we’re not even one year done with the Halfrican’s first year.
With three years to go, this is hardly any indication for the 2012 election!

ToddonCapeCod on October 20, 2009 at 5:47 AM

So how often has the White House responded to Mitt or Huck?

- The Cat

MirCat on October 20, 2009 at 6:54 AM

Bradky You’re as transparent as you are dim……… more brilliant than I could ever hope to be. That’s why I stalk you from thread to thread.

Janos Hunyadi on October 19, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Little dose of truth for our resident chucklehead.

Bradky on October 20, 2009 at 6:59 AM

Ronald Reagan – written off as unelectable
Margaret Thatcher – written of as unelectable

John Howard – written off as unelectable. Lost the 1987 Australian Federal general election in a landslide. He came back and won the 1996 election.

Crux Australis on October 20, 2009 at 7:05 AM

VFT on October 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM

VFT, you have some good arguments.

The problem is that if Huckabee wins.

He is a big government type. He just is. You cannot deny it.

He will not throw himself into the fight against ‘leviathan’.

He’s a big government Republican in a time where the GOP will be looking for a limited government candidate.

If you took Huckabee’s articulateness and packaged it with Palin’s reaganesque beliefs and governing record and courage, you’d have the perfect candidate who fights but also is not just a socon, but a hawk and a fiscon.

He’s not positioned right for the POTUS. He would fit possibly in other roles, but he is not a fit for POTUS.

If it was 30 years ago, Huckabee would be the one and Sarah would not be due to the country not ready for a woman.

We are ready for a woman.

Sapwolf on October 20, 2009 at 7:13 AM

xblade on October 20, 2009 at 5:25 AM

Your letting the Dems pick your candidate for you.

Her numbers will improve. The book is almost done and then she gets out and about. Nobody, not even T-Paw or Newt or DeMint or Pence or Daniels can be totally counted out.

It IS quite early and the mix is gonna change. You can count on it.

If Sarah is not electable, then by Spring of 2011, we will know it.

Sapwolf on October 20, 2009 at 7:18 AM

VFT,

How long have you been posting on HotAir?

I don’t see your posts much. Just wondering what’s up.

Sapwolf on October 20, 2009 at 7:22 AM

Mitt is not a Rino; McCain was, and is a Rino. Mitt is right of center; perhaps not a right of center as your fantasy vision of Palin, but sufficiently right of center to get the vote out. Add in Palin as VP (P in training), and we can win.

ParisParamus on October 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM

You are not thinking straight if you think first of all that Mitt is right of center. He talks it, but never has walked it. Sarah has.

He can’t get people to buy his book. He just is not the right candidate. His time has gone.

If it isn’t Palin, it won’t be either Mitt or Huck. That’s my prediction if Sarah is not the nominee.

Sapwolf on October 20, 2009 at 7:24 AM

Aslans Girl on October 20, 2009 at 12:19 AM

And if you are a woman, WHY would you not like her?

Sapwolf on October 20, 2009 at 7:26 AM

Good. She\’s a wonderful woman but she would be a disaster in a general election. Let\’s hope she takes this to heart.

Anders on October 19, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Boy, you do NOT know the woman.

She is very competitive. The quitter meme is ridiculous. She fights.

Sapwolf on October 20, 2009 at 7:28 AM

They said Sarah was “finished” so many times………..remember when she resigned from office? Ha! Everyday she gets stronger. She’s the one.

Cinday Blackburn on October 20, 2009 at 7:31 AM

Do you accept the results regarding health care opposition run by Rasmussen? If you do, you should have no beef with this poll.
Bradky on October 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Failed analogy. Unlike health care which is a current issue, this poll is an accurate snapshot of where voters are now, 3 years before the election.

Mike Huckabee is a populist as is Sarah Palin and that would help them a lot in the general election because they also care about the middle class and the poor (not just the rich and people on Wall Street as the Republican stigma seems to always be.
VFT on October 19, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Thank you for summarizing why I oppose Huckabee and am wary of Sarah. Populism is fraught with danger as a political movement as it is based on class-envy, attracts people who are particularly vulnerable to demagoguery, and pits groups against eachother.

Moreover, you are confusing the “elites” of academia (who are overwhelmingly redistributionists and “progressives”) with people who have achieved success in the free-market and promote the virtues of hard work and economic liberty. Nothing is better for the poor or middle class than a free-market which offers citizens from any background the opportunity to prosper.

Buy Danish on October 20, 2009 at 7:42 AM

MEMO TO NEOCONS…ROMNEY WAS MASS. GOVERNOR WHEN HE SIGNED THAT STATE’S CONTROVERSIAL UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE BILL!!!

BobAnthony on October 20, 2009 at 8:30 AM

BobAnthony on October 20, 2009 at 8:30 AM

Chill.

Buy Danish on October 20, 2009 at 8:33 AM

In October 2005, I believe the front-runners for the Nominations of their respective parties were Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani. See how well that worked out? McCain was near dead-last for the GOP, and Obama was being looked at as an also-ran at the time, someone whose time had not yet come but was getting his feet wet.

It’s WAY to early to put credence in ANY primary poll.

SalAOR on October 20, 2009 at 8:41 AM

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Sounds like McCain II to me.

No thanks.

(If he wins the nomination, I’ll vote for him. Same with Romney. Like I did for McCain. Palin helped me do it without the noseplugs, though).

cs89 on October 20, 2009 at 8:55 AM

I agree, CS89, I voted for McCain while holding my nose. Sarah Palin was like a breath of fresh air.

I try real hard to be open-minded about all the candidates, and Sarah, as much as I like her, looks right now like she would have a very difficult time overcoming what the MSM did to her (and are still doing). I don’t see the MSM stopping their attacks on her and bringing up all the old stuff again. They will comment consistently that Sarah Palin could not handle the pressure of being President because she quit as Gov. of Alaska, and because they will repeat that non-stop, millions of people will not vote for her because of it. Then, there is the jealousy of women voters against Sarah Palin because she’s beautiful…the polls show that Palin has a problem with the women voters. There are still many, many men who don’t want to see a woman president, especially one that the MSM has pegged as “stupid”. My brothers and sons make those comments almost verbatim what they heard on the news. It makes me sick that so many people believe this garbage.

As much as all of us watch and follow politics, it is amazing to me how many people in America don’t know anything about what is going on, so the primary comes, they watch the local channels, and their newspaper, and believe all the trash they read.

My husband’s son, just a month ago, said he thought Obama was doing a GOOD JOB! Can you imagine that! He didn’t even know the ramifications of Cap and Trade on our gas and electric bills if that legislation gets passed. There are millions of people like that in the U.S. That ignorance of Obama is what got him elected because Obama, during his campaign, told us how liberal he was going to be, but people only followed the pied piper, not listening to him.

So, when I hear all of you repeat the garbage that was put out about Mike Huckabee, it also amazes me that you watched the Republican Establishment either ignore or trash Mike Huckabee during the last election cycle so they could have their “perfect” candidate, Mitt Romney!!! Why do they like him when his record shows he wasn’t a Conservative in Mass??? He can’t be trusted to vote pro-life when he’s changed his position so many times, he also told the voters in MA that he would be a better friend to the Gays than his Dem. rival up for Gov. and he was. He was Governor during the time of the 1st state to accept gay marriage. Yes, he said I’m not for this, I have to obey the law. That wasn’t true, he could have fought it like every other state has…look at Iowa, they will have an initiative on the ballot and the people will decide. Mass. never had that on their ballot. Romney’s actions, not his words, showed his support of “gays” in Mass. Of course, we can’t forget the Romneycare that has almost bankrupted Mass. Just think, Romney wanted to take all the credit for this “mandated” health care program when everybody,(the Heritage Foundation) thinks it’s great, but if there are any problems with the legislation, now it’s the Dems fault for changing it. He can’t have it both ways. Romney left the roads in horrible condition in Mass. He wouldn’t pardon anybody because he didn’t want to be a “Dukakis” so he turned down a man who served in the armed forces with honor and wanted to have his record pardoned so he could get a job, (he had committed a very small offense as a teenager), and Romney wouldn’t pardon him. He cared more about his political ambitions that the life of that person. During the same time, other states were showing improvement in unemployment, Mass had one of the worst records in the country. This is a state that had lots of money to make improvements (unlike Arkansas), but Romney left the state almost the whole time during his last two years to campaign for President. He only was Gov. for one term.

I saw all these things last election, why didn’t all of you Romney supporters during 2008 see that? He never was a Conservative, but he put out ads and spoke to CPAC like he was the “ultimate” Conservative. You see how many people believe that garbage? The radio and TV pundits who pushed Romney every day knew his record, but they didn’t report all the facts (just like the MSM didn’t report all the bad stuff about Obama).

I know all of you are saying that about Huckabee..look at his record in Arkansas. If you had to deal with a huge $200M deficit and a court mandating to improve the schools and infrastructure in Arkansas that was horrible, where would you get the money to do those things? At least he cared about helping Arkansas more than his political ambitions for President because he could have sat back and did nothing, and then all of you could not point to him being a “tax and spender” in Arkansas. I give him a lot of credit for trying to do a good job in Arkansas. Wouldn’t you rather have a person who cares about doing a good job rather than what the polls are saying? He would do an excellent job as President for all the people in this country, rich, middle class and poor. He knows our needs and relates to us just like Sarah Palin. If you don’t think many people come to his events when he visits around the country, you don’t know what you are talking about. Why do you think he has the most popular show on Cable on the weekend? It’s because people like him and are getting to know who Huckabee really is instead of what Romney, the Club for Growth and the Republican Establishment put out about him. If Sarah had a show like Huckabee, it would help her tremendously to let people know her rather than how she is painted in the MSM. Huckabee in this poll and others has the highest approval and lowest disapproval ratings of the three candidates. That shows you that people like him. He is an excellent communicator and speech giver. The Republican Party needs that against Obama. Why can’t all of you fellow Republicans give him another chance?

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 10:11 AM

So, when I hear all of you repeat the garbage that was put out about by Mike Huckabee,

Why can’t all of you fellow Republicans give him another chance?

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Because I was awake and paying attention last time.

As I said, I’ll vote for Huck, or Romney, over Obama any day.

Huckabee, however, does not strike me as authentic. Disagree if you want, IMO the “floating cross” nonsense (yes I did see his “explanation-” Bookcase? Nobody noticed it looked like a cross before it aired?)
The “Lucifer and Jesus brothers” fiasco. The “I’m in SECOND PLACE!!!!” after Romney bowed out when it became obvious he couldn’t win.

The media is giving him cover now, but mark my words- If Huck gets the nod, Palin’s treatment last time will look like a cakewalk. Charges of racism, bringing up the “ethics” issues Huck left himself open to, “THEOCRACY!!!” fears, dragging out his family issues (son- animal cruelty, Huck & wife- wedding registry, etc.), “Did the preacher lie about having Gastric Bypass Surgery?”, you name it.

I’m not saying all the above is true. I am saying expect to hear it, and much more, over and over while we get stuck with Dems in the White House for another term.

cs89 on October 20, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Huckabee – no, never.
Romney – probably no.
Palin – yes.
Any other real conservatives out there? Get back to me on that.

SKYFOX on October 20, 2009 at 11:08 AM

For the Huck boosters on here:

Expect to see stuff like this again if he is the GOP candidate-

— The truth squad says the only finding by the Arkansas Ethics Commission that Huckabee accepted a gift improperly was tossed out by a state court. In fact, the panel investigated 16 complaints against Huckabee and found five violations. Only one, for accepting a $500 canoe from Coca-Cola, was tossed out.

Two of the complaints against Huckabee pertain to unreported gifts — the canoe and a $200 stadium blanket received by his wife, Janet. Two stem from cash the governor or his wife received but did not initially report. The panel also ruled in 2003 that Huckabee’s campaign violated state law when it used its funds to pay for an event during the summer of 2002 called Gospel Fest

During his tenure, Huckabee accepted 314 gifts valued overall at more than $150,000, according to documents filed with the Arkansas secretary of state’s office. (He accepted 187 gifts in his first three years as governor but was not required to report their value.)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313384,00.html

But he’d have no trouble winning the General….

/sarc

cs89 on October 20, 2009 at 11:54 AM

CS89,

That was a fiasco about the Mormon comment, but it was a true statement, even if he shouldn’t have said it.

He’s authentic alright. He’s also a leader. During the debates when all the other candidates were making the same responses that we aren’t in a recession, Mike Huckabee said that the people he talked to were really hurting. He didn’t agree just because everybody else said so. He also used infrastructure as a way to get the economy moving again because it would put people back to work. All the other candidates used examples already put out by the other party. Later in that same debate, Romney must have thought Huckabee had a good response, because he said he agreed with MH that building a better infrastructure would help the economy. Now the Obama administration has put that in their stimulus to create jobs…so Mike Huckabee isn’t such a bad person on Fiscal Conservative issues, and he is very original and creative in his solutions. The other candidates just repeat what’s been on the news. Mike Huckabee is a real leader.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Don’t you think that’s kind of petty to even discuss the
“bookcase” Christmas e-mail? He said it wasn’t a cross..he never tried to deny his christianity or apologize for it any other time, why would he deny it then? What did that have to do with issues anyway?

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Don’t you think that’s kind of petty to even discuss the
“bookcase” Christmas e-mail? He said it wasn’t a cross..he never tried to deny his christianity or apologize for it any other time, why would he deny it then? What did that have to do with issues anyway?

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM

What email?

It was a “Merry Christmas” campaign ad, just in case you’ve forgotten.

If he wants to put a cross in his ads, let him. But he can’t have it both ways: His campaign professionals put out an ad with an image, composed of a vertical and horizontal component meeting in the middle, zooming across the screen. What kind of image was Rev. Huckabee trying to portray? 2+2 does equal 4.

He’s authentic alright.

I could take your word for it. Or, I could rely on my own memory of the Mike Huckabee who told reporters he wasn’t going to air an attack ad- Then PLAYED IT FOR THEM!

Support whoever you want to, but go into the campaign with your eyes open. If Huckabee grabs the brass ring successfully, and ends up as the candidate, he’d better be hanging on tight. The media will give him a ride he’ll never forget.

cs89 on October 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I saw Ronald Reagan in New Orleans at a campaign rally when he was seeking the Republican nomination for President in 1980. The Charisma radiated from him. The only one in this poll that has that level of charisma is Palin. This poll doesn’t mean anything in 2012.

MCGIRV on October 20, 2009 at 2:07 PM

Joy Behar on the “View” said Mike Huckabee was her favorite Republican. He is kind and respectful to everybody. They don’t get that on Hannity, O’Reilly or Beck.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Bwwwwahahahahahaha!

Seriously, THIS is your reasoning?

Were you in a coma last election cycle?

John McCain was every far left communist’s “favorite Republican” back then. I mean my God, the New York Times enthusiastically endorsed him in the primaries. He was the darling of the talk show set.

John McCain was the “one Republican they could deal with.”

That is until he won the nomination! Then McCain became a “dangerous right winger” and “WAY too conservative.” The New York Times couldn’t wait to run stories about an affair he never had, and so on.

McCain’s talk show host buddies ripped him nightly!

Two thoughts. First, anyone who is lulled into a false sense of hope because an idiot like Behar CLAIMS to like Huckabee (or insert your favorite Republican) needs to seriously check themselves.

IF
is Behar, or other scumbag communists are telling the truth about their “love” for Huckabee (or any other Republican) then that should be the absolute kiss of death for that candidate!

If the left honestly likes someone on our side, honestly thinks they are “Teh One,” then we need to avoid them like the plague!

I want someone, a COMPETENT someone, who sends the left into a frothing at the mouth, teeth gnashing rage!

I want someone who is the polar opposite of these leftist freaks. Someone who strikes fear in their very soul! (or at least would if the left had souls, which is debatable)

This is no time for squishes, no time for pale pastels.

We need someone who is rock solid, and paints with BOLD COLORS.

That is NOT Mike Huckabee, that is NOT Mitt Romney.

You know, if America was in a really good place, and we just needed a “caretaker” a “placeholder” then a guy like Huckabee, or Romney MIGHT be acceptable.

But that is NOT where we are at.

We are literally a few votes away from losing America forever. Just a couple of signatures from being transformed into a communist nation, and losing all freedom and liberty.

We need someone who is ready to go in and fight with every ounce of their soul to make sure that never happens.

Both Mitt and Huck have the money, the time, and the media access to get that done, but are NOT DOING IT.

On the other hand, Sarah Palin is just really getting started, and is already landing solid body blows to the communists.

Sarah LOVES America with all of her being.(not saying the other two don’t)

She also, as a mother, truly feels she has real skin in the game. Sarah is thinking about the world she wants to leave her young children.

I just don’t see that fire in the belly from either Huckabee or Romney.

Sarah has what Reagan had, she has Reagan’s drive, his fire. Huck and Romney do not.

Who knows if Sarah will run in 2012. I find it hard to believe she won’t, but who knows. I do know this, no one out there has what it takes to win, and no one out there has what it takes to actually GOVERN after they do.

And by govern, I mean govern as a true, strict constitutionalist. Someone who will respect the people, and work for them, not for themselves.

I would have voted for Romney last go round, given the chance (the primaries were done by the time they got to Texas) But that was then, and this is now.

As for Huckabee, wouldn’t vote for him with a gun to my head. He’s poison. He would lose to Obama by Mondale proportions, in my opinion, but good Lord,even if he won, we wouldn’t have much. Just another Big Government “progressive” Republican.

Nope, make mine Sarah Palin! Accept no substitutes!

gary4205 on October 20, 2009 at 2:24 PM

You people pushing Palin for President in 2012 need to spend a little bit of time in CA, NY, FL, MA, NJ, CT, even TN and NC. PLEASE GET REAL.

ParisParamus on October 19, 2009 at 5:50 PM

You people pushing that Ronald Reagan need to wake up, he’s “too divisive” too “polarizing.” He’s unelectable!

Go with the real winner, Bob Dole, yeah, that’s the ticket!

gary4205 on October 20, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Associated Press just confirmed Sarah will be on Oprah on November 16th in a live interview.

technopeasant on October 20, 2009 at 3:00 PM

gary4205, if you don’t ever want to vote for Huckabee, that’s up to you.

I have a question..do you watch his show,”Huckabee” on the weekends? I would guess probably not..so how would you know if he is talking about the Obama issues or not. Remember, the MSM and Politico and other sites, very seldom mention what Huckabee says unless they can show him in a bad light (at least they think so). For example, when he was in Israel recently. Nobody is taking him seriously because our Republican Establishment didn’t and doesn’t today either no matter what the polls say. They don’t think a Christian (preacher) has a chance in the election, so they just ignore him.

Because Palin has been so controversial (in their eyes) since she was chosen to be VP, they cover her every word. They demonized her and want to continue to do that. They want all the people in America to see her as the unfit person they think she is.

I’m sure that would change for Huckabee if he won or was close to winning in the primary.

BTW, Huckabee doesn’t have a lot of money. If you remember he had almost no money for the primary, so I’m sure he is saving his money now. He isn’t rich, like Romney, and I’m sure never will be.

I never claimed that Dems think Huckabee is “The One”. They say they don’t agree with his policies, but he is a nice person.

You know there is an old saying about, “there are many ways to skin a cat”. Last election cycle many people were saying that McCain was too negative about Obama and always attacked. Huckabee can say the same thing, get his point across with humor that all the “vicious” attacking can do. Yes, with a lot more people willing to support him. Yes, it’s very important to show how Obama is wrong, but to viciously attack…I don’t think that will work in 2012 any more than it did in 2008. We have to show where he’s wrong AND give our solutions to the problem. That’s what the American people want..not just somebody who attacks all the time…eventually they tune them out.

One of the things Bill Clinton said about Mike Huckabee in the 2008 election was “don’t ever underestimate him”. Clinton used his power to support the Dems in Arkansas and he saw how “savvy” Mike Huckabee was as a politician. He has good political instincts as Sarah Palin does. You can’t be taught that, it has to be inside the person.

Most people who really know Huckabee claim he is a very likeable, charismatic, and authentic person. Those are some qualities that Reagan had and Sarah has. But because you like Sarah, don’t claim Mike Huckabee doesn’t have those qualities because that’s what makes him an excellent communicator, debater and good on his show.

On Mike Huckabee’s websites, Huck’s Army and Huc Pac, most of the people who supported him had never gotten involved in politics, including me. There are athiests, fiscal conservatives and, of course, Christians. I have read comments from some of them who believed all the bad press Huckabee got by CFG, but they decided to check into his record and found that most all of the info was slanted to make Huckabee look bad. They became supporters when they saw the truth.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Do you accept the results regarding health care opposition run by Rasmussen? If you do, you should have no beef with this poll.

Bradky on October 19, 2009 at 8:40 PM

This poll is about a race three years out, moron, that is a lifetime in politics.

The Healthcare debate is happening right now, in real time, idiot!

gary4205 on October 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Hot off the presses, Sarah will appear with the Oprah:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 20, 2009

CHICAGO — In a world exclusive, Oprah Winfrey will interview former Alaska governor Sarah Palin for an episode of The Oprah Winfrey Show to air Monday, November 16, 2009. Winfrey and Palin will meet for the very first time on the episode, which will mark Palin’s first interview to discuss her upcoming book, Going Rogue: An American Life and her first-ever appearance on the Oprah show.

Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin burst onto the national political scene as running mate for Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. Now, following her decision to step down as governor of her home state of Alaska, and on the eve of the release of her first book, Palin will speak first to Oprah in a world exclusive interview.

The Oprah Winfrey Show: Exclusive – Oprah Talks to Sarah Palin airs live on Monday, November 16, 2009 (check local listings)

http://www.oprah.com/article/pressroom/pressrelease/20091020-orig-sarah-palin-oprah-winfrey-november-16

And so it goes.

gary4205 on October 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM

I have a question..do you watch his show,”Huckabee” on the weekends? I would guess probably not..so how would you know if he is talking about the Obama issues or not. Remember, the MSM and Politico and other sites, very seldom mention what Huckabee says unless they can show him in a bad light (at least they think so). For example, when he was in Israel recently. Nobody is taking him seriously because our Republican Establishment didn’t and doesn’t today either no matter what the polls say. They don’t think a Christian (preacher) has a chance in the election, so they just ignore him.

Because Palin has been so controversial (in their eyes) since she was chosen to be VP, they cover her every word. They demonized her and want to continue to do that. They want all the people in America to see her as the unfit person they think she is.

I’m sure that would change for Huckabee if he won or was close to winning in the primary.

BTW, Huckabee doesn’t have a lot of money. If you remember he had almost no money for the primary, so I’m sure he is saving his money now. He isn’t rich, like Romney, and I’m sure never will be.

I never claimed that Dems think Huckabee is “The One”. They say they don’t agree with his policies, but he is a nice person.

You know there is an old saying about, “there are many ways to skin a cat”. Last election cycle many people were saying that McCain was too negative about Obama and always attacked. Huckabee can say the same thing, get his point across with humor that all the “vicious” attacking can do. Yes, with a lot more people willing to support him. Yes, it’s very important to show how Obama is wrong, but to viciously attack…I don’t think that will work in 2012 any more than it did in 2008. We have to show where he’s wrong AND give our solutions to the problem. That’s what the American people want..not just somebody who attacks all the time…eventually they tune them out.

One of the things Bill Clinton said about Mike Huckabee in the 2008 election was “don’t ever underestimate him”. Clinton used his power to support the Dems in Arkansas and he saw how “savvy” Mike Huckabee was as a politician. He has good political instincts as Sarah Palin does. You can’t be taught that, it has to be inside the person.

Most people who really know Huckabee claim he is a very likeable, charismatic, and authentic person. Those are some qualities that Reagan had and Sarah has. But because you like Sarah, don’t claim Mike Huckabee doesn’t have those qualities because that’s what makes him an excellent communicator, debater and good on his show.

On Mike Huckabee’s websites, Huck’s Army and Huc Pac, most of the people who supported him had never gotten involved in politics, including me. There are athiests, fiscal conservatives and, of course, Christians. I have read comments from some of them who believed all the bad press Huckabee got by CFG, but they decided to check into his record and found that most all of the info was slanted to make Huckabee look bad. They became supporters when they saw the truth.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Yes, I have watched his TV show. In fact, like watching a good train wreck, I try and catch a portion of it every week. I really love how he sucks up to liberals, and the base playing is to die for!

The damned show is just barely watchable, but yes, I do make a point of catching some of it, if for no other reason it reinforces why I will never, ever support the guy!

As for HuckPAC, the damned thing was almost broke, and there are more than a few questionable deals going on.

I will give him this though, it is a well designed, functional website, one that is dynamic, and works, in other words, the exact opposite of Huck himself!

In fact, if I wanted to go on a long extended rant about Sarah Palin, it’s the fact that her PAC website is beyond worthless. It’s hard to navigate, and really has nothing on it at all. And yet, she’s drawing in tons of support!

One can only imagine if she was actually TRYING!

As far as “Hucks Army,” everything you say about them, diversity wise, can be said of Sarah’s, 10 times over.

Most of Sarah’s supporters have never given a damn about politics in their lives, now all of them are ready to donate money, and knock doors for her, real, solid get out the vote work.

I follow her Facebook pretty closely. It is one of the most active sites I have ever seen. hell, you can go there 24/7, and folks are commenting their asses off. It is a vibrant website.

Also, as of right now (the number rises by the minute) Sarah has 937,163 supporters on FB.

Huckabee has 121,900.

There is a real passion for Sarah Palin, because she is real. People look at her, and they see a piece of authentic Americana. They see a true pioneer spirit, they see the spirit that made America great.

And yeah, the more politically inclined among us, see a lot of Ronald Reagan in her, which knowing how much she studied Reagan, makes sense.

I’ve never met Huckabee, and I’m sure he is a nice fellow, as a person. But I made a great living for 30 years by being able to sum people up rather quickly, and make decisions on them. Huckabee is certainly not my cup of tea.

Frankly, looking at his Big Government, Nanny State record, to me, he wouldn’t be that much different that George Bush, or Barack Obama on domestic policy.

Even if Huckabee DIDN’T grow government, which is doubtful, he certainly wouldn’t reel it in. He is a Statist, not a true conservative.

Sarah Palin, on the other hand would slash and burn, as is her style. You can bet that as much as she will have the power to do, depending on her majorities in Congress, she will slash budgets, and cut useless programs. She has a solid record of doing this, even with a hostile legislature.

Then there is the passion factor.

Lets say, just for giggles, that Sarah and Huck were the same on every issue, which they most certainly are not, there is a passion gap. All things being equal, which again, they are not, there is simply more passion out there for Sarah Palin.

I’ve told this story before, but it bears repeating.

In the early 1990′s, not long after Chrysler bought “American Motors” from Renault, so they could get the Jeep brand, there was serious design work on a new pick up truck for Dodge.

The previous Ram model was 25 years old. You couldn’t GIVE them away. NO ONE bought the half tons. The only thing anyone was buying, very grudgingly, were the diesels. The joke was you were buying the motor, but forced to take the truck it came in.

AMC had some serious engineers in the Jeep Division, who were set loose on a new pickup. The innards were going to make it a world beater. But what about the looks, the styling.

Conventional thinking had Dodge building a nice modern “stylistically safe” truck. Basically a truck that looked exactly like what Ford and Chevy had.

As you know, manufacturers focus group the hell out of products, especially products that cost billions just to tool up to build.

The designers showed the “safe design” to prospective buyers who sorta liked it, said they would “consider it” and that it was a “nice looking truck.”

Thankfully, Dodge understood that wouldn’t cut it.

They also had what would end up being the new Ram truck. This thing looked like nothing on the road. It was NEW it was bold, and the styling was over the top.

It was also POLARIZING!

I talked with a friend in the company a lot at the time, and the story goes that there were all but fist fights breaking out among the people in the focus groups!!!

I mean you had people that either loved the thing, and were pulling out their checkbooks on the spot, or people who hated it, thought it sucked.

History tells us that those who loved it, far outnumbered the ones who hated it.

In the first six months the truck was out, we sold more in Texas, than Dodge had sold NATIONWIDE during the previous sales year. And while Dodge didn’t sell many half tons in the old truck, it sold a LOT of diesels.

Even more startling, is the first year, Dodge didn’t even offer a Club Cab, which by then is the only thing most people would buy!

To me, Sarah Palin is that Dodge truck. Is she polarizing? To a point, yes she is. But to that end, she polarizes a hell of a lot more toward her side, than against her!

In short, what Sarah has, that other politicians can only dream of, is the passion factor. People that support Sarah Palin, REALLY support Sarah Palin.

No one else has that sort of thing.

Oh sure, folks, if it came down to it, would vote for Huck, or even Romney, because they would hope to end Obama’s reign of terror.

But people will stop what they are doing, work phones, knock doors, donate money, and do whatever asked for Sarah Palin. The enthusiasm, the passion is that strong.

It just isn’t there for the others.

gary4205 on October 20, 2009 at 4:48 PM

There is a real passion for Sarah Palin, because she is real. People look at her, and they see a piece of authentic Americana. They see a true pioneer spirit, they see the spirit that made America great.

Well said.

And yeah, the more politically inclined among us, see a lot of Ronald Reagan in her

I know I do. So does Michael Reagan

http://www.reagan.com/column.cfm?id=84

beachgirlusa on October 20, 2009 at 5:56 PM

VFT, I have to admire your defense and support of your candidate, he’s lucky to have a loyal person like you.

beachgirlusa on October 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM

gary4205 on October 20, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Pick and choose the polls you like and the ones you don’t you try to rationalize away.
Color me surprised but I guess I should apologize for interfering in your fantasy world about Sarah. Maybe in a Lifetime movie someday but never the real thing.

Bradky on October 20, 2009 at 8:42 PM

It does not matter what you print or speak. My family is going to support Sarah Palin with our time, talent, and money.

jarhead0311 on October 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM

BTW,Gary 4205, all of the work of the campaign, phone banks putting out signs etc. were VOLUNTEERS for Mike Huckabee n 2008. If you remember, he had many, many volunteers all over the country. I remember after John McCain won I went on his website and they were just so happy that some of their people were working for John McCain…lots of people were complaining that they didn’t want to help with the signs, etc. I was amazed, I thought everybody’s campaigns had the same kind of response as Mike Huckabee’s. Then I noticed that Romney paid people to do the jobs we did. I called hundreds and hundreds of calls for Super Tuesday because Huckabee didn’t have the money to advertise.

I trully believe if he had even just the money Romney spent on his 2008 campaign, he would have been our nominee for sure. It looked like there was NOBODY who could have beaten Obama in 2008, but in 2012, hopefully the people have woke up from their addiction to him and see how he is destroying our country each and every day and he needs to be STOPPED before we don’t have any freedoms left.

I wasn’t comparing Sarah’s support with Huckabee’s. I am just saying most people don’t know how many people care about Mike Huckabee. I try to explain some of the behind the scenes things that nobody knew except the people who helped Huckabee. We don’t have a lot of money in our Huc Pac, so we called tens of thousands of people in our phone banks to help out McDonnell. We also did that for the person in GA (I’m not sure what his name was). I don’t think you can put a dollar figure on that kind of support. I talked to so many wonderful people before Super Tues and hopefully I will have the chance to do it again. I found out in an article called the “Anti-Huckabee Party” put out last Saturday by the American Conservative. Here is the link:

http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/01/21/how-the-huckabacklash-saved-mccain

It is very interesting in that he demonstrates why Huckabee should be the Establishment favorite but how they interfered and blocked his fundraising in 2008 and probably will do it again in 2012 because why…he is a Christian preacher and they don’t want our Republican nominee to be a social conservative. It also talks about how they will push Romney again, but he probably won’t win for the same reasons McCain didn’t. He also states that they haven’t learned the lesson from putting somebody who is a moderate instead of a social consservative. We need to be “different” from the Dems, not Dem light!!! It will give all of you more insight in what are Huckabee’s strenghts, and not from a Huckabee supporter (me). Please read it! BTW, I think the author is a Libertarian.

I don’t usually talk about religion in these posts, but I believe God will make a way for whoever HE wants to be President, and if it’s not Mike Huckabee, I will just have to know God has a plan for whoever wins. Yes, even Obama, God has used him to wake up America on how close we are to losing our freedoms in America. In the 2010 and 2012 elections, I hope and pray the Republicans (Conservatives) will make a very strong comeback. If it’s Sarah I will be thrilled for her and all of us, if it’s Romney, I will worry because he comes from one of the most liberal states in America, so his ideas on what is normal in Mass is not normal for most of the midwest, and he will have programs like the liberal Romneycare, gay marriage, etc. and think that’s what everybody wants because it’s okay in the northeast. I have seen how he governed in Mass, and I don’t think Mr.Economic Genius, everybody calls him, did a very good job in his own state little alone what he would do for the U.S. That’s why I would have a lot of trouble voting for him if he is the Repub. nominee in 2012. He fooled lots of people in 2008, including most of the people on HA, and with all the Establishment behind him pushing him every day, and, of course his millions, he will be a very formidable opponent.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 11:00 PM

BeachGirlUSA

Thanks. I have heard so much demonization of Huckabee on HA, I thought it was time for somebody to tell some of the other side of what was reported about Huckabee’s record.

I can’t believe how much Huckabee and Sarah Palin are alike. They have so much in common. Somebody over at the original Rasmussen poll site stated that Palin and Huckabee wern’t alike, so I responded and gave a long list of how much they are alike. If people would get past their negative opinions of MH, they would see it too.

Somebody asked me how long I have been on HA. I started looking at few articles about 6-9 months ago, but the hatred and Huckabee-bashing was hard to swallow. I remember thinking, I will just respond and set the record straight on a particular post, then I realized you had to register. When Open Registration came open I joined. But I usually just read most of the articles, and only jump in when Huckabee is being attacked (like with these polls). I believe a lot more people would support Huckabee if they did their own research. The problem is that the MSM reported all the things that were slanted in CFG ads, so the internet might have the same half-truths as was covered during the primary. Over at Hucksarmy.com/forum/Mike Huckabee on the Issues will explain a lot about the complaints in Arkansas. We also used to have a “Truth Squad” to also help explain..not sure if it’s still there from the 2008 campaign.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 11:14 PM

why Huckabee should be the Establishment favorite but how they interfered and blocked his fundraising in 2008 and probably will do it again in 2012

Please name one person who would have imagined, before the campaign started, that Huck would raise the amount of money he actually did. I just don’t see how you can state they “interfered and blocked his fundraising” with a straight face.

cs89 on October 20, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Sorry, I thought that link was the story about the “Anti-Huckabee Party”. Following is he article (I didn’t have the link):

The Anti-Huckabee Party?
Posted on October 17th, 2009 by Daniel Larison

Andrew Stuttaford cites a new Rasmussen poll of Republican presidential preferences showing some sizeable support for Huckabee, and he wonders if this means that the GOP will become the “party of Huckabee.” I think this is extremely unlikely. While Huckabee was officially the second-biggest vote-getter in the primaries last year, he achieved this mostly through perseverance and concentrated support from evangelical voters. Had Romney continued to compete and waste his money on what would still have been a losing bid, it is not certain that Huckabee could have managed his second place finish.
Approximately a third of Republican primary voters backed Huckabee, and slightly less than a third of the Republican respondents would now like to see him as the nominee, so he retains a considerable base of support that he had built up last year. Does this mean that the GOP is or is going to be the “party of Huckabee”? Only in the sense that in terms of sheer numbers Huckabee’s voters and sympathizers make up the largest bloc of Republicans. The trouble is that Huckabee consolidates this bloc behind him at the expense of losing most others. The strange thing is that Huckabee’s charisma and style make it less likely that this would be replicated in a general election: where Palin won enduring Republican devotion by being strident and combative, the good culture warrior, Huckabee has typically cultivated a style on the national stage laced with humor and self-deprecation that seemed to make him less polarizing.
He is able to do this because his record on social issues is already solid and does not need to be emphasized (as McCain’s was), exaggerated (as Palin’s was) or invented out of thin air (as Romney’s was). I have thought for a while that Huckabee’s personality could have some of the appealing all-things-to-all-people quality that Obama had during the election. If the economy remains a major issue in the next election, as it most likely will be, the sheer disgust economic conservatives still have for him could be worn almost as a badge of pride in the general election. An early opponent of the bailout, Huckabee could tap into populist dissatisfaction with the coziness of corporations and government without being pigeonholed as nothing more than an obsessed tax-cutter.
Huckabee isn’t going to have that chance. Even if it seems irrational, movement activists who are not primarily interested in social issues distrust Huckabee intensely, and they will work to block him and deny him funding just as they did last time. The anti-Huckabee sentiment among movement activists is a useful reminder that all the Republican culture war defenses of Palin during the general election were aimed at mobilizing all the people whose candidate, Huckabee, they had just spent the previous 18 months mocking and ridiculing with all of the same language used against Palin. For turnout purposes, the GOP still finds Huckabee’s people useful, but its leaders and activists will not tolerate Huckabee taking the lead in the party as the nominee.
The effect this will have, as Stuttaford’s post suggests, is that most Catholic, mainline Protestant and secular Republicans will rally to whichever anti-Huckabee candidate appears strongest. This will most likely mean a coalition of voters arrayed behind Romney, who will then be a far weaker draw in the general election than Huckabee would have been. At first, that sounds implausible. Surely the more “moderate,” less “sectarian” candidate should be able to win more support, right? No, not really, because the things that make Romney more attractive to non-evangelicals in the GOP also force him to spend more time trying to prove that evangelicals and social conservatives can accept him. Aside from the complication that his religion introduces into this, this means that Romney has to emphasize social issues, on which he has no credibility, and public professions of religious faith, which are some of the things that so many Republicans and independents find viscerally unappealing about what they perceive to be the norm in Republican politics. Huckabee does not need to do as much of this because he would already have much of the right locked down. Like McCain, Romney will continually be trying to satisfy people on the right who cannot muster much enthusiasm for him, but who will wrongly conclude that he is more “electable.” That could involve another desperate VP nomination to generate interest or a campaign that actually moves right after the primaries are over. Fear of their own evangelicals could lead Republicans to embrace a technoratic wonk whom most voters will not be able to trust and whom most conservatives grudgingly accept because he is not Huckabee.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 11:20 PM

I can’t believe how much Huckabee and Sarah Palin are alike.
VFT on October 20, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Er… no.

She has her faith, states it calmly and lets others believe what they want to.

He uses his “Southern Baptist preacher” cred to appeal to Evangelicals, and to gloss over his inauthenticity.

cs89 on October 20, 2009 at 11:22 PM

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Ever heard of “less is more?”

Think “blog comments,” not “essay format.”

cs89 on October 20, 2009 at 11:23 PM

CS89,

Mike Huckabee only spent $5M on his whole campaign in 2008. That was by far the lowest amount anybody spent. He was in the black at the end of his campaign…he didn’t owe millions like everybody else. I think it was reported Mitt Romney spent between $70-80M on his campaign with a lot of it his own money. Even with all that,he couldn’t win. Mike Huckabee could only get very small donations, not large ones like the other candidates. Now we know why the large ones weren’t coming in. It was amazing how far he went on so little money. Those negative ads did damage Mike Huckabee a lot, and the perception “he couldn’t win” which was out in the news every day.

I think it’s great that Sarah gets so much money from her supporters..she will be fine for 2012 if she wants to run. I’m hoping MH will get lots of donations too…polls like this one closer to the primary would help him a lot.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 11:27 PM

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 11:27 PM

I agree that Romney couldn’t buy the nomination, though he tried. His money, though.

I disagree with your premise that Huck’s fundraising was “interfered” with. Who in 2006 or 2007 would have predicted he could raise the $5M you mention?

Glad he ended in the black, that’s a good model. I still don’t like him, prefer Palin, don’t really like Romney.

Will vote for all of the above over Obama.

cs89 on October 20, 2009 at 11:32 PM

CS89,

Sorry,I know my posts are too long, but I have so much to say.

Do look at that article above,the “Anti-Huckabee Party” (another essay format,LOL) which is the original article. He must not have been a Palin fan, but just read the article on Huckabee and Romney and you will see that the Establishment ignored Huckabee last time and are trying to do the same thing this time. That’s why Huckabee needed to have his own show,”Huckabee” (besides getting money he desperately needed)so he could put out information directly to 4,000,000 people every week and bypass the Elites in Washington DC.

VFT on October 20, 2009 at 11:35 PM

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