Rasmussen: ObamaCare support dropping again
posted at 12:55 pm on October 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
After the CBO gave the Baucus summary a preliminary score of being deficit-neutral, the Obama administration hoped for a reversal in widespread opposition to the ObamaCare overhaul. Rasmussen’s latest poll of likely voters shows the opposite has happened. Opposition has firmed up at 54%, while support has dropped four points over the last two weeks:
Now that the Senate Finance Committee has passed its version of health care reform, 42% of voters nationwide favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s down two points from a week ago and down four from the week before.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 54% are opposed to the plan.
The numbers have been remarkably stable throughout the debate. With the exception of bounces following presidential television appearances, support for the plan has stayed in a very narrow range from 41% to 46%. Currently, 24% Strongly Favor the legislative effort and 42% are Strongly Opposed.
While voters are skeptical of the plan working its way through Congress, 54% say that major changes are needed in the health care system. Sixty-one percent (61%) say it’s important for Congress to pass some reform.
In the wake of Obama’s speech to Congress, the ObamaCare effort won a brief moment of majority support, 51% to 46%. Opposition rose as high as 56% two weeks later, and had bounced around in the low- to mid-50s ever since. The current 54% is about the average since Congress went on its August recess. The 42% support rating is the second-lowest in that period, after a 41% recorded three weeks ago. Even in the summer, with all of the town hall dramas across the nation, it only got to 42% once; support mainly remained in the mid-40s.
The internals of the poll show big problems for Democrats who wind up supporting it in Congress. Both men and women oppose it, the latter by eleven points (54%/43%). Only the youngest category of voters support it; majorities in all other age demographics oppose ObamaCare by wide margins, including 18 points among thirtysomethings (58%/40%) and 20 points for fortysomethings (58%/38%). Independents still oppose it by similar margins, 56% to 38%. Among income demographics, only those earning under $20K per year support it; majorities oppose it now in every other income category.
The stat of the day from the Rasmussen internals? Government workers oppose it by a majority, 55%/43%, with 46% strongly disapproving. When statists can’t even get government workers to get on board the statist bus, they’ve really overshot their intrusion in the private sector.
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We obviously don’t know what is best for us.
ctmom on October 19, 2009 at 12:58 PM
The what? What do they “favor”? There is no bill yet.
Daggett on October 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM
How will people live without ObamaCare?
Was there life before Obama?
portlandon on October 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Polls mean nothing to communists. Ask Hugo what he thinks of polls.
darwin on October 19, 2009 at 12:59 PM
The peasants are getting very uppity. They must taste the whip.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Time for another prime time press conference to boost the numbers.
LOL.
HondaV65 on October 19, 2009 at 1:01 PM
Pass it and see what happens. I dare you.
txag92 on October 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM
I smell another media blitz by Teh One and his allies.
farright on October 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM
psssst…you may want to send a memo to the msm…they keep insisting that the majority of voters want this crap sandwich…
cmsinaz on October 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM
It’s easy to support something you won’t pay for.
DerKrieger on October 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM
What a friggin disaster…
PatriotRider on October 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Okay, why is it people here bash the Huckabee poll but embrace this one? And I’m for Palin and don’t much like Huckabee, I’m just saying we need to be consistent. This picking polls is for the libtards. We’re smarter than that.
Orange Doorhinge on October 19, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Ha ha ha. This peasant is REALLY uppity and he rocks! MR. NOBEL
deedtrader on October 19, 2009 at 1:05 PM
exactamundo!
cmsinaz on October 19, 2009 at 1:05 PM
What we got here is… failure to communicate.
- Captain, Road Prison 36
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 1:05 PM
That bad polling is the result of covering illegal aliens.
WashJeff on October 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Everybody seems to agree the healthcare industry needs reform.
the lack of understanding of what this industry is really all about never ceases to amaze me….
For instance:
TO A MAN, practically everyone seems to think the “no pre-existing conditions” clause of health insurance is unadulterated evil… But take it to its logical conclusion. I get diagnosed with cancer. I have no health insurance. What do I do? I go out and buy it. So why not just wait until you get a diagnosis every time. Ridiculous. There needs to be a pre-exsting clause. Sorry Unicorn lovers. This is just one glaring example of the disconnect in this debate.
Bottom line: No one can guarantee that you go through life without suffering some catastrophe. Quite the opposite actually… sooner or later, everyboy gets something.
the entire debate is rife with this kind of disconnect…
max1 on October 19, 2009 at 1:08 PM
A full week of Ogabe speeches should produce the necessary bounce to pass the mess quickly. Bring on the “Why do so many whiteys hate you” questions from big-eyed children.
Bishop on October 19, 2009 at 1:09 PM
You’re killing me. I see quite enough of The Won, thank you very much.
Cindy Munford on October 19, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Of course they do. Who is it that has the Cadillac insurance plans? Hint, it’s not the people working at Home Depot. This is what makes it so ridiculous that unions would support this.
Union workers have far better insurance coverage on average then non-union don’t they?
Rocks on October 19, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Regarding pre-existing conditions.
My teenage son has type 1 diabetes. I would really like to know that he will be able to get insurance when he is an adult.
Insulin isn’t cheap.
redshirt on October 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM
I wonder how this was received in the Congressional closed-door meetings today? Reid: “The people are revolting!” Dodd: “Yeah. They stink on ice.”
kingsjester on October 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM
If they pass this piece of crap with numbers like these, it will prove they do not care one whit what the American people want from their leaders. Vote them all, every last one of them, out if they do this. It’s the only thing they will listen to.
NJ Red on October 19, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Please note:
Rasmussen polls are entirely reliable except when showing Sarah Palin being trounced by other GOP contenders. In that case, they are completely innacurate and downright librul.
Thank you.
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Don’t tempt him, please!
Doughboy on October 19, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Regarding pre-existing conditions.
My teenage son has type 1 diabetes. I would really like to know that he will be able to get insurance when he is an adult.
Insulin isn’t cheap.
redshirt on October 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM
max1 on October 19, 2009 at 1:18 PM
It could be you! It doesn’t matter if it is bare bones catastrophic plan. It is based solely on cost, so if you live in a state with high premiums, you could be screwed.
Actually, no matter what state you live in you are screwed because they are going to shove this crap sandwich down our throats regradless.
bopbottle on October 19, 2009 at 1:18 PM
No, they are getting the Obama administratin memo’s every day.
PappaMac on October 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Hi, Skippy. Allow me to translate what you just wrote: I have no cogent arguments supporting this travesty of a government takeover of 1/6th of the U.S. economy. So, I’ll just try to make the thread about Sarah Palin. Thank you.
kingsjester on October 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Throw in AFSCME opposition:
For what it’s worth, this article also said “a spokesman for AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka stood by McEntee”.
When the unions see the writing on the wall, (that we’ve seen for months), and the CBO finally gets REAL legislation to score what will create billions in more debt, moderate Democrats will be looking for a way out of this debacle.
Rovin on October 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM
B-b-b-but TED KENNEDY DIED!!!
CDeb on October 19, 2009 at 1:19 PM
News Update: Anita Dunn says “Let 100 flowers bloom”.
R Square on October 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Regarding pre-existing conditions.
My teenage son has type 1 diabetes. I would really like to know that he will be able to get insurance when he is an adult.
Insulin isn’t cheap.
redshirt on October 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM
max1 on October 19, 2009 at 1:18 PM
this is a tough one red-s. there are no easy answers I admit…
wish you the best..
max1 on October 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM
Zombies.
donkichi on October 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Opposition has remained strong for months yet the lefts elites and a token RINO or so are rushing to cram this down the countries throat. That is a given…what is not is the reaction when this hits…If folk simply whine a bit and then obey, what was America becomes socialist Europe on steroids. If the country says NO, loudly…and turns out at new town halls, organizes to remove the scum who vote for this, and turn out incumbents everywhere, the country wins.
I am not sure which is likely.
JIMV on October 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Everyone being able to get coverage is probably one of the only things most agree on. The Left is just going the wrong way to get us there.
Cindy Munford on October 19, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Everyone I’ve talked to about healthcare wants that for your son too. We can address pre-existing conditions without a gubmint deBaucle Bill. Our system is good. It needs tweaking, not overhaul.
Laura in Maryland on October 19, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Hows that making war on a cable news outlet working out for you all at the White House?
Losing what little credibility they had left…NO TRUST in an administration that acts so GREEN as to attack a Cable News Network that won’t take the Messiah’s communion.
I am not a Republican, I am an Independent, and I am getting ready to throw in the towel. Will these people get their acts together in any meaningful way? I kept holding out HOPE they would figure it out they need the majority of Americans Support THE CENTER OF THE COUNTRY. I am getting ready to write them off. They can’t do anything but campaign poorly.
Dr Evil on October 19, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Ramming speed!!!
Dire Straits on October 19, 2009 at 1:22 PM
I don’t want to sound cold… and I hope the best for your boy… but why should the government force strangers to pay for the insulin?
mankai on October 19, 2009 at 1:24 PM
This is all Fox News’ fault. And, George Bush’s fault, but mostly Fox News’ fault.
Mallard T. Drake on October 19, 2009 at 1:24 PM
There should be some sort of safety net for those individuals who fall through the cracks. I don’t think there is any debate on this central point.
Having said that, it makes no sense to upend an entire system that works reasonably well at delivering high quality services to the vast majority of Americans.
R Square on October 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM
Oba-Mao says — Obammunism must go forward …
Normal people would see the disaster at the end of this chasm.
tarpon on October 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM
true…
cmsinaz on October 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM
When the bill emerges from behind closed doors, without being posted on the internet for 72 hours, and without being broadcasted by CSpan – as promised by Obama- when the bill comes to his desk for his signature, poll numbers for both Obama and Democrats will spiral down. I fully expect this bill to be as messy, full of paybacks for Dems special interest, etc. They think they are hiding, but the facts will come to light when Obama signs it…
TN Mom on October 19, 2009 at 1:27 PM
So here’s the key question. What does the filthy lying coward and his corrupt party do to salvage a win out of this debacle of legislation? Scrapping the whole thing and starting anew doesn’t seem to be on the table. Parliamentary tactics that essentially pass by trickery would probably work against getting the public onboard. The blue dogs can be forced to take one for the team and sacrifice their reelection on the altar of Obama.
What is the winning exit strategy here?
highhopes on October 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM
The Obamacare polls concern a bill(or what will soon be a bill) that is being written as we speak and will be voted on in the weeks to come. It concerns 1/6 of our economy and will likely lead to a complete takeover of the health care industry by the federal government. The other poll is regarding a hypothetical matchup in the GOP primaries in 2012.
Now I can’t speak for others on this board, but personally the former concerns me a helluva lot more than the latter.
Doughboy on October 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM
I have a pre-existing condition as well, and I feel your pain. I do agree with the max1 on this. My medications and medical bills run about $10,000 a year. If I need to have a procedure done they got up to $40,000. I believe we can get a happy medium that works for both. First, keep the pre-existing waiting period. It stinks but it makes you put a lot into the system before you start withdrawing from it. Second, we should pay higher rates. I have a defibrillator implanted in me. That unit alone costs $14,000 not including parts and labor. I do not think it is unreasonable for me to pay a higher amount then someone who goes to the doctor’s office once a year for a check-up. Part of being a stand-up guy is doing your fair share. I hopefully didn’t offend you, because it was not my intention.
txaggie on October 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM
If I were a Blue Dog Democrat I’d start reaching out to the GOP now on a real compromise bill. It wills till be tough for conservatives to choke down but it will at least stand a chance of actually passing. Then the Blue Dogs will have bested Pelosi and wrested some power from her. She can’t do anything to them, their constituents put them in office, not that bitc*.
DerKrieger on October 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Cogent argument?? How about this one; You lost – badly. Whine or deal but it is what it is.
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:30 PM
I am totally against obamacare, but I really want to see a proposal that addresses the preexisting condition problem.
Maybe waiting periods, maybe a list of conditions that can’t be excluded, I don’t know.
redshirt on October 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM
That safety net already exists. Reform could have stopped at expanding the criteria to more fully cover those in the gap where they cannot afford insurance but do not qualify for Medicaid/Medicare. I say more fully because I do not advocate subsidizing insurance for those who cannot “afford” insurance because they want a bigger car or some other luxury item.
highhopes on October 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM
There is no winning exit strategy for Obama here. This was his baby and he promised the moon and he isn’t even going to get out of low earth orbit. When the Dems are stating publicly that they have to pass something just so they can claim victory, there ain’t any victory anywhere.
Johnnyreb on October 19, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Anita Dunn was just quoted as saying there will be a prime time self critism and struggle session scheduled for 8pm tonight featuring Roger Ails.
If you know Roger or would like to represent the people in a struggle session against Mr Ails, you’re encouraged to email the White House with details and your contact information.
Should be fun. Rahm Emanuel will MC.
R Square on October 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM
You sound like Obama. “I won.” So basically the moment a politician is sworn into office, the electorate must bend over and grab their ankles? I don’t remember Bush supporters using that argument in favor of his agenda.
Doughboy on October 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Difficult situation. But in all honesty, what makes you think that under Obama’s plan he will get good healthcare. He will be rationed, just like anyone else.
bloggless on October 19, 2009 at 1:32 PM
You know, I am not really a ‘black helicopter’ or ‘WalMart concentration camp’ kinda guy. I disliked Clinton as president, but didnt think him evil. This new crew however makes me think they’d go ‘Pol Pot’ on us if they could.
(( looks for his lithium ))
Shambhala on October 19, 2009 at 1:33 PM
I agree actually. Pay a little more, but still can’t be turned down.
redshirt on October 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Quick release another balloon!
bloggless on October 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM
If you do away with pre-existing conditions, people will only purchase insurance when they get sick. The universal mandate and/or higher premiums are a necessity if insurance companies have no control over who is allowed in their population base.
highhopes on October 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM
and this is why they love Chairman Mao, he’d know how to take care of this problem!
though a scary thought, imagine how funny Obama would look in a Military Uniform
jp on October 19, 2009 at 1:34 PM
And this time make sure the child is onboard, along with a litter of puppies.
highhopes on October 19, 2009 at 1:35 PM
I don’t think you will find anyone on the Right that doesn’t want to find a solution for preexisting conditions because so many of them are accidents of life. It’s just that there are far better solutions than the government. I have an HSA and pay only $57/month for a high deductible ($6k) low premium family plan. I’m blessed with a healthy family and may go years without actually using my health insurance. With a premium that low I would have no problem paying an additional $10-$20/month to contribute to a high risk pool and don’t think many other people would mind either. With millions of people contributing a marginal amount extra voluntarily through their insurance companies we could find a way to cover preexisting conditions.
I firmly believe HSA’s are the best mechanism for putting patients in control, forcing pricing transparency, reconnecting consumers with costs, and driving down prices across the board. The Democrats don’t like them because they leave the government out of the equation.
I even support them as a means to transform Medicare and Medicaid.
DerKrieger on October 19, 2009 at 1:35 PM
People have confused “insurance” with “welfare”. Note to such people: having insurance doesn’t make stuff free, it just makes someone else pay.
As you point out, an exclusion for pre-existing conditions is only unnecessary if insurance companies can charge the new customer a premium sufficient to cover the cost of the condition. Given that nobody would want to accept that, then we have to look at the bright side of pre-existing conditions: it gives an incentive for healthy people to buy insurance, before any condition develops. This incentive is what the stupid “fine-for-not-being-covered” envisioned by whatever those jerks in Washington are calling the current “legislation” is supposed to be.
And why is the “pre-existing” thing such a bogeyman? Because we have stupid employer-based health care, so people are forced to change plans when they change jobs.
The level of ignorance in this debate gives me a headache. I have yet to be convinced that the government’s plans to take over the health care industry really solve any problems that wouldn’t be better solved with simpler, less radical reforms.
mr.blacksheep on October 19, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Does anyone really think that The One’s plan will allow for good care for diabetics? It will no doubt pay for insulin, but as far as anything else, why would it? It will be too costly.
bloggless on October 19, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Please read my first post. There are many people that have preexisting conditions from childhood that face trouble when they have to go off their parents insurance plans.
Trying to find a solution for them.
redshirt on October 19, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Look up health status insurance. The govt. could help set that up for those with pre-existing conditions that did not have a chance to get the insurance before they got sick.
aikidoka on October 19, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Scr*w Rasmussen’s polls!
What are you going to believe?
Will it be your common sense — which is obviously racist since you dare to oppose federalizing health care?
Or will it be the words of the enlightened one — as spread by his federally employed sycophantic trolls(http://www.conservativeforchange.com/2009/10/eric-holder-targets-rightwing-bloggers.html) who infest our site?
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on October 19, 2009 at 1:37 PM
Your idea has merit and should be looked at when this debacle is over.
Sort of like Medicaid. Everyone contributes to it, but it is pretty much a last ditch program.
Johnnyreb on October 19, 2009 at 1:37 PM
How many who can’t afford health insurance have cable TV, cell phones, high speed Internet, etc?
DerKrieger on October 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM
How about mandating that insurance companies have to take on people with pre-exisiting conditions and how about making insurance portable between states? We mandate everything else.
bloggless on October 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Worse than that. They claim they have to pass something because Americans are screaming for reform despite the fact that the polling indicates just the opposite. IMO, it would be a tactical mistake for the filthy lying coward to bully this through by partisan tactics that avoid real debate. I also think that is exactly what he will be doing.
highhopes on October 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Cogent argument?? How about this one; You lost – badly. Whine or deal but it is what it is.
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Obama does not have a mandate. Opposition to this government takeover is not just Republican. It is by the majority of Americans. They’re not believing the b.s. You deal with it. Now allow me to be prophetic. Your next response will be: “But…but, Booosh!” Lunchtime is over. Go back to 10th grade.
kingsjester on October 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Thanks for the input, Rain Man.
NathanG on October 19, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Dr. Waugh, I read your book. It was good.
bloggless on October 19, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Sorry, you had your 8 glorious years of Mission Accomplished! Go cry to Glenn Beck if you don’t like it.
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:41 PM
I’m a government worker—municipal, not a fed. My plan is adequate but far from cadillac—-I think the reason the polling runs so high against from all govt workers (not just feds)is that we know better than anyone that it takes about 10 seconds from implementation of a gov program to FUBAR. That’s not empty cynicism—I’ve just seen it happen over and over and I’ve been a govt employee less than ten years.
mrs coastiehooligan/proud wife of a USCG vet
coastiehooligan on October 19, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Why not mandate that everything be free? Wouldn’t that be good! Free plasma TV, free cell phone, free spinners for my 19″ wheels. Wheee! Life would be great then!
mr.blacksheep on October 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Aren’t you missing your weekly KKK meeting? Maybe your sheets are at the cleaners. We know the KKK has morphed into the urban metro-sexual liberal male. You guys have done a great job at disguising it but you’ve left too much of a trail to follow. You guys could have left at least one inner city in reasonable shape …
darwin on October 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM
I’m pretty sure he rides the short bus. I believe he only posts when he steals the teacher’s computer. Then he poops himself.
NathanG on October 19, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Obama does not have a mandate. Opposition to this government takeover is not just Republican. It is by the majority of Americans. They’re not believing the b.s. You deal with it. Now allow me to be prophetic. Your next response will be: “But…but, Booosh!” Lunchtime is over. Go back to 10th grade.
kingsjester on October 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Sorry, you had your 8 glorious years of Mission Accomplished! Go cry to Glenn Beck if you don’t like it.
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Thanks for confirming me as a prophet, Skippy. Great “transparent” administration. Just not the way he meant. Everybody’s seeing through him. Face it. The majority of Americans do not want Obamacare.
kingsjester on October 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM
I smell racism.
LibTired on October 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM
I attended a “policy boot camp” on Saturday presented by the conservative Institute of Policy Innovation. It packed a theatre in Dallas during the Texas/OU game. When it came to Q&A, a woman said “If they cram Obamacare down our throats, I will NOT buy their insurance, I will NOT pay the fee. They’ll have to put me in jail!” and over 400 people rose to their feet and applauded and cheered for over a minute.
They can try to pass this, but enforcing it, especially in Texas, in a whole other matter!
parteagirl on October 19, 2009 at 1:47 PM
You misunderstand me. First, the last thing I want to have is government run healthcare. When I was laid off in 2002 thanks to Enron I couldn’t find another well paying job for the life of me. I ended up working at Domino’s Pizza (money wasn’t that bad to be honest). I couldn’t afford insurance so I went to the government run one in Houston called the Harris Country Hospital District. If you want to know where our current course will take us look no further. Four months to see a doctor and 9 months to see a specialist. A four hour wait when you finally get there. If you live near Houston Texas go to Ben Taub Hospital in the medical district and go up to the clinics. If you like what you see than Obamacare is for you.
I have a very rare type of heart problem so I need to go to some high priced doctors fairly often. I currently have insurance and I am paying a little more then the next guy because of my frequent trips. I use my HSA for my medications and hospital co-pays. I am 100% satisfied with our current system. It needs some minor tweaking, but not the over-haul that is currently being proposed.
txaggie on October 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM
I’ve been working with and for (as a consultant) State and Federal government, as well as private industry, for years. Given two equivalent jobs, one in a government department and one in the private sector, the government version will follow the 3,4,5 rule: it will take 3 times as long, cost 4 times as much, and be 5 times more likely to end in failure. And one more thing: in general, the bigger the project, the more spectacular the budget over-runs and the more profound the disappointment in the final outcome. Almost every time.
mr.blacksheep on October 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Ramming speed!!!
Dire Straits on October 19, 2009 at 1:22 PM
You mean “Rahm-ing speed?” :)
max1 on October 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM
Ironic statement coming from a Palin supporter.
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM
What’s your point? As far as the insurance company/pool of insured used to regulate rates. A medical condition one has had from childhood is a pre-existing condition when that individual wants to join the pool. It is fundamentally indisputable that it is going to cost more to cover individuals who arrive with health problems. You are not going to like this but the fact of the matter is that individuals with health problems need to pay more if insurance companies can’t regulate who is allowed in their pool of insured. In the case of temporary pre-existing conditions (pregnancy for example) the cost would be relatively low but to accept individuals with long-term health issues only when they are sick or require a lifetime of medical treatment above average WITHOUT HAVING EVEN PAID ANYTHING INTO THE SYSTEM BEFORE FILING CLAIMS is nothing more than stealing healthcare resources from the healthy and those who have paid into the system.
Get away with pre-existing conditions if you must but it has to be accompanied with the universal mandate so that those with chronic health problems don’t wait until they are ill to demand coverage- subsidized by others.
highhopes on October 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Currently my 19 year old son who is also Type 1 is going to Vo-Tech to keep him eligible on our insurance. (He was not able to manage his health very well at college last semester) I fear the same thing and keep drilling in him the importance of a good education and a future employer with a good health plan. If the public option becomes reality I fear most employers will do away with their insurance and leave their employees no option but the crappy government option.
fbcmusicman on October 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM
And it took Barry less than 8 weeks to put us on a course to triple the national debt.
Not bad!
Chuck Schick on October 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM
While you guys have had eight glorious years of hoping our men and women in harm’s way fail and get killed … of screeching that soldiers must kill their officers … of screaming that Bush must die … of preening like peacocks about Bush being assassinated … of shytting on the American flag and dragging it through the streets … of burning our soldiers in effigy and rooting for the enemy to win.
You’ve had a very busy eight years. I wonder how many of our brave men and women were killed because of your support for the terrorists of Islam?
darwin on October 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Ironic statement coming from a Palin supporter.
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM
The thread’s not about Sarah Palin or Booosh, Skippy. Do try to keep up.
kingsjester on October 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Mr. Simon, you are indeed an economic illiterate if you support the policies of this President and Congress.
R Square on October 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM
AND he has 7.5 years left! You won’t even recognize things by then!
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:51 PM
How about mandating that insurance companies have to take on people with pre-exisiting conditions and how about making insurance portable between states? We mandate everything else.
–The problem is that doing so would bankrupt insurance companies without a significant increase in premiums or a significant expansion of the group of insured.
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The problem that the GOP has is that none of its plans or proposals really address the pre-existing condition situation adequately. They don’t require that pre-existing conditions be covered and they don’t require that insurance be portable. Telling a mom whose kid has a serious medical condition “gee, I’m sorry for you” without having a solution just doesn’t cut it for most people.
Jimbo3 on October 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM
I called my Senator (Lincoln D-AR) and told her staffer that I wouldn’t pay a fine or buy government insurance and I dared them to put me in jail. What are they going to do if millions of people tell them to shove it up their collectivist arses?
DerKrieger on October 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM
I’m not a Palin supporter, dipshit. I don’t think she’s prepared to even be vice president. I believe that whoever does run, will lose by probably 8 points, just like McCain. Seriously, you are a retard.
NathanG on October 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Quick! Email the White House and you can add your name to the list of participants on tonight’s struggle session against Roger Ails. There are a lot of unemployed Acorn types so the list is quickly filling up.
R Square on October 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Blah, blah, blah. Guess what, the former male cheerleader didn’t care when millions protested. You really think that 50K zeroes waddling around DC on a Saturday afternoon is going to change anything. Go ahead, declare Mission Accomplished – you’ll feel better.
simplesimon on October 19, 2009 at 1:54 PM
You’re mistaken. The GOP has a bill that addresses portability by allowing people the same tax treatment for health insurance as that given to companies. That way people can buy their own insurance on the free market just like they do auto insurance. Once you can do that then you’re severed from your employer. And your employer can now pay you in cash what they now pay for your insurance.
DerKrieger on October 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM
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