Quotes of the day
posted at 10:35 pm on October 19, 2009 by Allahpundit
“[N]ow, after nearly a month of deliberations by Mr. Obama over whether to send more American troops to Afghanistan, frustrations and anxiety are on the rise within the military…
“‘The extremists are sensing weakness and indecision within the U.S. government, which plays into their hands,’ said Mr. Tradewell’s statement on behalf of [the Veterans of Foreign Wars], which represents 1.5 million former soldiers…
“A retired general who served in Iraq said that the military had listened, ‘perhaps naïvely,’ to Mr. Obama’s campaign promises that the Afghan war was critical. ‘What’s changed, and are we having the rug pulled out from under us?’ he asked…
“Another source of tension within the military is the view that a delay is endangering the 68,000 American troops now in Afghanistan. ‘McChrystal has troops out there who are risking their lives more than they need to, partly because we have not filled in the gaps and we have not created a safe zone in southern and eastern Afghanistan,’ said Michael O’Hanlon, a national security expert at the Brookings Institution.”
***
“But, in recent years, Taliban leaders have drawn especially close to Al Qaeda… Today, at the leadership level, the Taliban and Al Qaeda function more or less as a single entity. The signs of this are everywhere. For instance, IED attacks in Afghanistan have increased dramatically since 2004. What happened? As a Taliban member told Sami Yousafzai and Ron Moreau of Newsweek, ‘The Arabs taught us how to make an IED by mixing nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel and how to pack plastic explosives and to connect them to detonators and remote-control devices like mobile phones. We learned how to do this blindfolded so we could safely plant IEDs in the dark.’ Another explained that ‘Arab and Iraqi mujahedin began visiting us, transferring the latest IED technology and suicide-bomber tactics they had learned in the Iraqi resistance.’ Small numbers of Al Qaeda instructors embedded with much larger Taliban units have functioned something like U.S. Special Forces do–as trainers and force multipliers…
“[T]he last time the Taliban controlled a state, it was not so interested in realpolitik; after September 11, the group made clear that it was prepared to lose everything (and it did) rather than betray bin Laden. Since then, the Taliban’s leadership has grown more closely aligned with Al Qaeda’s worldwide goals — not less. Today, the Taliban seems to view itself as the vanguard of a global movement that is waging God-sanctioned holy war against the infidels. Foreign policy realists want to gamble that this group, once back in power, will suddenly transform into an ultra-rational clique of Henry Kissingers. Anything could happen, I guess. But, given everything we know about the Taliban, is that really a wise wager to make?…
“It can be a peaceful nation again. And, if America is to keep Al Qaeda at bay, it must be.”
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“The Taliban haven’t changed. Last year, men on motorcycles used water pistols to squirt acid in the faces of girls going to school. This year, the Taliban have taken to spraying poison in the courtyards of girls schools. What Biden is essentially proposing is to concede more and more of Afghanistan to such people while relying more heavily on U.S. air power to kill Al Qaeda terrorists. Since air strikes are far more likely to kill innocent civilians than are U.S GIs, Biden’s vision is — for Afghan women in particular — a vision of hell. On the ground, you live in beast-like submission, and from the air, chunks of your village are periodically set aflame.
“Somewhere, Donald Rumsfeld is chuckling.”









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What if the the frustration and demoralization of the US military is the desired end result?
just a thinking exercise…..
ted c on October 19, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Obama has not been deliberating about this for a month. He has many more important things that he spends his time on. He has no concern for the troops. In fact, he rather dislikes them and their leaders.
GaltBlvnAtty on October 19, 2009 at 10:40 PM
But, you don’t understand. The Taliban is a part of the Afghan culture and should be a part of its’ government. The Administration said so. /
kingsjester on October 19, 2009 at 10:41 PM
80 days that Ogabe has failed to make a decision on what to do with the troops in Afghanistan after being told by McChrystal what was necessary.
Bishop on October 19, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Perhaps every military family should send the President a photo of their husband/wife/son/daughter/mother/father now serving to remind him of who is at risk.
publiuspen on October 19, 2009 at 10:41 PM
When you lose Brookings…
When liberals compare you to Rumsfeld…
Tick tock, Bams.
PattyJ on October 19, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Are you assuming that someone up there would give a rip?
ted c on October 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM
No, Obooboo will just pass on the info to ACORN so they can register our fallen heroes for the next election.
Laura in Maryland on October 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM
The troops lives are at increased risk because Stanley McChrystal, Barack Obama’s hand picked General for Afghanistan, has, in an attempt to win “Hearts and Minds” and Flowers and Unicorns from Muslims, changed the ROE to be very unfavorable for the lifes and limbs of his troops.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 10:45 PM
But the war on Fox News is progressing as planned.
Yakko77 on October 19, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Isn’t Fauxbama more concerned with the war on free speech?
Juno77 on October 19, 2009 at 10:45 PM
You beat me to it.
Juno77 on October 19, 2009 at 10:46 PM
As I keep saying, “The dithering IS the strategy.”
Most people refuse to acknowledge the enemy The Precedent is really fighting, even though it’s obvious. He’s been dithering since he got in, intentionally, as everyone can see now, and you just have to ask, “Who does that hurt?”
progressoverpeace on October 19, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Obama is putting off announcing his plan to send 35,000 troops to Afghanistan until after the VA and NJ elections. Can’t tick off those left wingers or they might not vote.
huckleberryfriend on October 19, 2009 at 10:47 PM
I’m sick of whining liberals claiming to “support” the troops. Give them what they ask for our get the &@%# out.
This is no different than hippies spitting on our guys returning from Vietnam. Hey Kerry – are your ears burning?
Laura in Maryland on October 19, 2009 at 10:47 PM
8 months and O has failed to make a desion period. Why isn’t anyone talking about that… What has 0 done/decision made on anything??
Indian Outlaw on October 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Obama is futily waiting some salvation through events that would either allow him to withdraw completely or some weak plan endorsed by the generals that would allow him to “fulfill” his obligation as CNIC by sending 10k troops instead of 40k or more.
Zerobama the fascist pig wants to run like hell and make sure the taliban and AQ have a nice, safe place to reorganize. If that happens the only positive we can draw from it is waiting till they collect anmasse in an afghanistan city then smoke them all at once.
Either way, it’s too late for zero to try to act like he gives a rats ass about our troops, when it’s only his ass he cares about.
Spiritk9 on October 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM
President Obama has seen fit to replace the sitting ISAF commander with a General McChrystal. Suffice it to say that Gen McChrystal’s understanding of the Warrior ethos is somewhat askew from the mainstream. Also let us cut to the chase and identify him more as a political mouthpiece than a field commander. Add to this the dubious addition of General James L. Jones, who unlike McChrystal has actual combat experience but still shares the same ultimate goals and one world vision as both McChrystal and Obama. What you have here is an unholy trinity injecting their shared philosophy of ‘spare the civilians at all cost’ – even though those civilians are not US citizens and are in fact complicit in their own misfortune. The new ROE presented by McChrystal and under which operation Khanjar was mounted is nothing less than disgraceful, immoral and fatal for our Marines, Sailors and Soldiers on the ground. The Marines and Soldiers that are ‘holding’ territories of dubious worth like Now Zad and Golestan without reinforcement, denial of fire-support and refusal to allow them to hunt and kill the very enemy we are there to confront are nothing more than sitting ducks. Denying them even the ability to fight, which is their only purpose for existing, to defend themselves in a foreign land that sees them first as agents of the devil is detestable to the secular world and immoral to the rest of us.
- John J. Bernard (1stSgt USMC ret) – 7/23/2009
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Bambi’s delay isn’t due to not knowing what to do, it’s not knowing whom to blame.
PackerBronco on October 19, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Barry’s war is with America, not her enemies.
anXdem on October 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
He missed the memo. “when you are in charge, you must make a decision” OH but wait he’s never been in charge of anything… not even a waffle house. He eats em everyday, but damn sure couldn’t run one.
Indian Outlaw on October 19, 2009 at 10:50 PM
1. Obama waffling = “what if Bush did it” OF THE DECADE. Can you IMAGINE if Bush frittered around waiting to decide while soldiers died?
2. Obama never had to make sole decisions on anything important. I’m really trying to think, but other than picking Biden (and even then Hillary was out b/c of Michelle not b/c of Barack), he’s never picked something on HIS SHOULDERS ONLY. This is hard for him. ANd people are dying while he waits.
3. If we want to win, we start fighting to win. That means killing lots of Taliban, with no mercy, and no prisoners.
Colin Powell had it right in Gulf War I — the whole ‘highway of death’ to Basra wasn’t imaginary. Yet now, we are handcuffed by ROE that make us as weak as the Peace Corps with pea shooters.
4. But it doesn’t matter, because everyone on this thread already knows what Obama’s going to do: first, he’ll say “well we need more troops” but he’ll simultaensouly say “we won’t send that many more” – and more soldiers will die. and whether or not Karzai is clean as george washington or dirty as boss tweed, he’ll say “we have to trust the afghan government to meet certain benchmarks” – and more soldiers will die. and as AQ/Taliban slowly return to the cities in afghanistan, obama will tell his commanders we need a “new way of thinking”, even though urban counter-insurgency is one good thing we CAN do after lessons from iraq, but we won’t push ahead – and more soldiers will die. and when finally women are vieled and forbidden from government, obama will say “i dont like it, but your values are your values”, and we will scratch our heads and say this is what the soldiers died for? and finally, when we retreat to bagram and all the other bases as refuge from the bifurcated afghanistan, 90% taliban, 10% not, we will look at the map and realize the situation looks exactly like it did back on september 10, 2001.
and the whole time, more soldiers will have died.
everyone here knows it’s going to happen. but this time, strangely, nbc won’t be waiting at Dover AFB.
Carry on.
battleoflepanto1571 on October 19, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Obama: “Why can’t I just vote “present”?
Emanuel: “Trust me. You just can’t.”
Rod on October 19, 2009 at 10:54 PM
General McChrystal has bought into the argument that there are those in the Islamic culture of Afghanistan that want what we have and need and want our help. He is wrong, and, to quote yet another scripture, ‘he has left his first love.’(stolen from Rev 2:45 describing the cold heartedness of the Ephesians to the Church) has been telling us that his real concern is for the safety and well-being of another people at great cost to his own. The General’s first responsibility is to his oath as it is for all sworn and elected officials. He has determined that the protection of a foreign entity, be they friendly or not (I dare say the events of the past several weeks say, not) is far more important than the lives of the Americans fighting in that foreign land. The latest example can be found in this link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8289200.stm. This is a quote taken from the article that should make every American angry: “In a statement, Nato’s International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said that tribal militia launched attacks on foreign and Afghan military outposts from a mosque and a nearby village.”
The General is flirting with treason as defined as an act of disloyalty toward the sovereignty of this nation. Willful destruction of the uniformed forces of this nation certainly seems to qualify.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM
We all know that the Son of Man is thoughtful, but damn! Just a couple of months ago He was still saying that we just have to win this “war of necessity”.
Could it be that he’s trying to figure out a way to bug out of Afghanistan? Why yes, it is.
Really Right on October 19, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Perhaps he’s hanging on for December, when he can surrender all sovereignty to the UN?
OldEnglish on October 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Is it possible that Obama is a great military strategist who is lulling the Taliban and Al-Quaida into a false sense of security and will then wipe them all out in one fell swoop when their guard is down?
Mwaaaa Haaaaaaa! Ha!
Rod on October 19, 2009 at 11:02 PM
This elitist simpleton doesn’t realize his hesitation is encouraging every dictator and enemy in the world to pile on the pressure.
Tragically, it is also encouraging the Taliban to increase their attacks and the US casualty rate in an effort to turn the “wavering” US resolve. Our current casualty rate can be directly attributed to incompetent leadership at the top. You, Obama, are killing our troops – not that you care.
sclemens on October 19, 2009 at 11:05 PM
My “prediction” is that Barack Obama will give his hand picked general, Stanley McChrystal, at least half the additional 40,000 increase in troops that he requested, which would be on top of the previous 25,000+/- additional troops requested.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Yes.
R Square on October 19, 2009 at 11:07 PM
My guess is Obama will give 20,000 more troops and a CD collection of his speeches.
R Square on October 19, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Well…..
… at least Barack Obama will go down in history for something.
Seven Percent Solution on October 19, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Mullah Obamao told the San Fran crowd that he and Nancy P. have been busy “mopping up a mess that someone else created.” Re this remark, Taranto observed over at WSJ’s “Best of the Web,” Obamao didn’t “inherit” anything; he sought the presidency. Furthermore, this continual whining sounds like a teenager crying that he never asked to be born.
onlineanalyst on October 19, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Too bad, at least we could have taxed him at 40% is he had.
R Square on October 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Or maybe 15,000 more troops, a CD collection of his speeches and a 30 minute workout and gardening combo video from the lovely Michelle.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Entitled: The Best of Barry- collected exclusively from over a thousand teleprompters.
anXdem on October 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM
What are we waiting for?
… We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. …
-Barack Obama Quote
canopfor on October 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM
That sounds like the intro to a masturbation manual.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Or a manual for a jircle cerk.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM
We should have been so lucky, Instead, it was an anthem of national suicide.
progressoverpeace on October 19, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Well at least we will die happy. Allah can have a picture of Meagan McCain placed in front of him.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Now that was guffaw-worthy. I’ve got to (ahem) hand it to you.
Those two citations that you posted, MB4, are really disturbing. (I wish you wouldn’t post them in blue though–hard to read.)
onlineanalyst on October 19, 2009 at 11:23 PM
To me they look maroon. The color does not seem to be under my control. They are links and so I guess HA gives them a color because of that.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Hopey/Changey,
Military Leader…..
Leader of the Free World…..
Liberal National Security/Foreign Policy Extraordinaire
===========================================================
On AM radio,at the top of the hour news spot,last night,
I get to hear Rahm Manuel’s soundbites,on Afghanistan,and
the talking points now are,
there will be no troop increases till,there is a credible
partner in the Afghanistan government!!!!!!!!!
Btw,since the Liberal media are always b*tchin about fair
and balanced,
i would like to hear,equal time for what the Republicans
think,on Rahms and Obama’s assessment on said Lefty talk’n
points,
on Afghanistan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on October 19, 2009 at 11:31 PM
… We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. …
-Barack Obama Quote
canopfor on October 19, 2009 at 11:16 PM
That sounds like the intro to a masturbation manual.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:18 PM
MB4: Self service and self abuse!Ya think,ahem,hehe:)
canopfor on October 19, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Rumsfeld chuckling? Nobody’s laughing at this mess.
Win or win, that’s our two choices here.
Mojave Mark on October 19, 2009 at 11:33 PM
And Obama did make that critical decision of marijuana policy. The guy’s a veritable genius for misplacing priorities … and that’s the good news.
Dusty on October 19, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Politics aside this is a tough fight, both domestically and in Afghanistan.
Domestically, people are weary of war. If we escalate we would be in war for a whole decade! Far beyond any military commitment of this size before.
In the region, the only true way we can be successful as I can see it is to somehow gain control of Pakistan’s situation. Bush tried to do this by paying off the government there but that’s not working.
In order to be successful here it seems like we would need to escalate into Pakistan. I don’t care who is President, that is an EXTREMELY TOUGH SELL given the situation.
Correct me if I am wrong here but This really is a no-win situation. Escalate now and the minimum commitment is at least 5 years. Plus, we don’t know how the neighboring countries will respond. Will they aid the rebels to get at us? More lost lives, time, and money.
No good can come from escalation as I see it. What are other folk’s thoughts here?
ckoeber on October 19, 2009 at 11:40 PM
***
“The Taliban haven’t changed. Last year, men on motorcycles used water pistols to squirt acid in the faces of girls going to school.
============================================================Payback,can be a b*tch!!
A-10 Chases down Taliban on Motorcycles.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=092_1226978719
canopfor on October 19, 2009 at 11:42 PM
I am “assuming” that you mean another 10 years as it has already been 8 years. I believe Michael Yon (seemingly trying so hard NOT to make the sale for staying) said it could be a 100 year war.
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:44 PM
The only way that this circumstance turns into Vietnam II is if the American people and their “weak tea” representatives in Congress turn into jelly again.
It is time to ask yourself: What kind of America do you want?
I want the one that stands for something more than sound bites. Goddamnit.
hillbillyjim on October 19, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Next up on Obama’s list…Bail Out
If the US purchases the entire Afghan poppy seed crop for one year…That will appease them.
F15Mech on October 19, 2009 at 11:49 PM
I am inclined to agree with Yon, and thus I would like to stay and win. What are needed are quick numbers on annual costs for military operations and education of the populace over twenty years. If we can make a desert bloom…
And as far as domestically people being weary of war–what exactly has tired them? Not being able to always count on celebrity gossip being the top story on page 1, or occasional documentaries on the war that they do not watch giving them momentary pangs of conscience as they turn to Dancing With the Stars? (note–if you like that show, nothing wrong with that).
This war is not WWII and, “domestically”, the people aren’t being rationed or drafted, so I don’t exactly see what is tiring them. Get a little sack, folks. This world we are in is getting more integrated. We are going to have to manage this, or be managed ourselves. Get used to it, and grow up.
Horatius on October 19, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Woohoo! Phillies win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rockmom on October 19, 2009 at 11:53 PM
While I’m at it, anyone who got sucked in by an idiotic slogan such as “Yes we can!” probably deserves the shit they’re gonna have to eat. The problem is that the rest of us have to feed at the same trough.
hillbillyjim on October 19, 2009 at 11:54 PM
I guess it depends on what your endgame is. If you care about gaining some semblance of a decisive victory over Al Qaeda, and demonstrating that America will not flee the battlefield when things get tough, then you escalate.
rockmom on October 19, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Tell everyone that you know: November 2010 is our chance to keep our country from sliding into liberal oblivion.
Get the word out.
Start now, if not yesterday.
hillbillyjim on October 19, 2009 at 11:58 PM
He’s shutting down that front to move the troops to outside the Fox News building.
Sapwolf on October 19, 2009 at 11:59 PM
How long can a Nation last whose leadership values the lives of the enemy and foreign civilians above that of its own military?
- John Bernard
MB4 on October 19, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Xmas, or for someone or something else to make the decision for the President so he can claim illegitimate legitimacy for, cut and run.
Then the media will ignore the bloodletting and decent into darkness aftermath.
Speakup on October 19, 2009 at 11:59 PM
I still believe the endgame for Obama is far more radical than almost anyone yet has speculated: the complete winding down of all American military commitments overseas and the building of a “fortress America” at home to ward off any potential attacks.
rockmom on October 20, 2009 at 12:00 AM
And that’s my point. Even if we completely turn this thing around it’ll be another five years.
I just don’t see escalation, especially into Pakistan which is looking more likely, is what we need.
ckoeber on October 20, 2009 at 12:03 AM
or -
The complete winding up of all American military commitments overseas (thus getting the troops out of the way) and the building of a “prison America” at home to ward off any potential uprisings.
MB4 on October 20, 2009 at 12:04 AM
More than one way to slice that cake as I see it. The Taliban is kicking our asses even though we have more money AND better guns.
Maybe we have one hand tied behind our back and if General McCrystal talks about a real gameplan instead of more troops I’m all ears.
But just more money and bodies? THAT to me is the ‘weak tea’. We need a little more creativity here.
ckoeber on October 20, 2009 at 12:07 AM
So, ckoeber, what do we need?
Do we need to apologize more sincerely?
Should we kowtow to the extremists of Islam and offer them our necks?
Don’t be shy now, ckoeber; what shall we do?
Your idiot savior has no idea, and neither do you.
Here’s a starting point: We shall not submit.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Our enemies need to know that we mean business.
If we don’t back Jug-eared Jesus with serious action, then no one will take us seriously.
That’s it in a nutshell.
Or a sound bite.
The problem is that our “Dear Leader” couldn’t lead an army of ants to a fxcking picnic.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Being a Vietnam vet – this is like deja vu all over again (not nearly as bad, I know, but still … it can’t help but to prompt unpleasant memories)
Rod on October 20, 2009 at 12:17 AM
We have already submitted. Islamic (Shariah) law is enshrined in the U.S. sponsored Afgan Constitution and Obama’s General Stanley McCyrstal has changed the ROE to favor Muslims at the expense of American troops.
Diana West -
If you read McChrystal’s report, the general makes it very clear that his change in strategy, not his change in troop levels, is his top priority. But this change in strategy is almost always left out of debate — and certainly out of the conservative end of the debate, which focuses on giving the general the forces he wants to win. What McChrystal actually wants to win — the support of the Afghan people, which is the basis of his new strategy — is never mentioned.
This strategy change to “population protection” at the expense of “force protection” (or, better, this strategy change intensification because certainly key aspects of such a policy have long been in place) is in fact a politically correct and ineffective recipe for defeat, and, therefore, something right up the boss’s alley.
Although in Washington they may talk about the 90,000 soldiers in the Afghan National Army, no one has reported actually seeing such an army anywhere in Afghanistan. When 4,000 U.S. Marines were sent into Helmand Province in July to take on the Taliban in what is considered one of its strongholds, accompanying them were only about 600 Afghan security forces, some of whom were police. Why, you might ask, didn’t the ANA, 90,000 strong after eight years of training and mentoring, handle Helmand on its own?
U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines — despite being told repeatedly that they weren’t near the village.” What Landay describes sounds like a disastrous manifestation of what Afghanistan commander Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal talked about all summer — what I’ve called our war on civilian casualties. It is being waged, the hallucinatory thinking goes, to win Afghan “hearts and minds” and thus the “counterinsurgency” against the Taliban. McChrystal and this strategy currently enjoy the support of both the Obama Left and the surger-cons on the Right, who, under the auspices of a new conservative think tank, the Foreign Policy Initiative, recently wrote an open letter to President Obama specifically applauding the president for choosing the McChrystal team, and expressing confidence in its new strategy.
Topsy-turvy worldwatch:
1) Stupid war goal: Minimize civilian casualties in order to win hearts and minds and unicorn and rainbows and … Dream on, holistic ones.
2) Further restrict US troops’ ability to defend themselves.
3) Pay money to casualties’ “survivors” “even where cause of death/injury is unclear, thus creating Afghanistan’s only growth industry since opium.
4) Report to Senate that civilian casualties have fallen 40 percent while US-led coalition casualties have risen 75 percent without a paper bag over head.
5) Expect (receive) pat on back, not demand for resignation.
Is it just me, or does Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s increasingly pathological obsession with “the people we seek to protect” — Afghans — to the exclusion of everything else, including the body parts of his own troops, begin to resemble the pathological obsession of another famous, albeit fictional, commander (whistling begins … )? Key is the shared blndness to national interest and enemy strategy.
MB4 on October 20, 2009 at 12:20 AM
Rod, thank you for your service. I was a kid back then, but I tend to think of the current lib behavior as just as bad as back then. They pretend to care and “support” the troops, and then they allow our heroes to die (Obama), put them down (Kerry), or defame them (Murtha).
At least back in the day, everyone knew what garbage these hippies were and where they stood.
Laura in Maryland on October 20, 2009 at 12:27 AM
We don’t win by destroying the Taliban. We don’t win by body count. We don’t win by the number of successful military raids or attacks, we win when the [Afghan] people decide we win.
- General McChrystal (in London last week)
Pre-occupied with protection of our own forces, we have operated in a manner that distances us — physically and psychologically — from the people we seek to protect.
- General McChrystal (from his COMISAF assessment of the war in Afghanistan)
If I were President I would name Stanley McChrystal to head to Peace Corp.
MB4 on October 20, 2009 at 12:29 AM
I’m with you, MB4.
I don’t understand why any competent member of any news agency would suppress the fact that all of the Jihadis want us dead, and are actively working toward that goal. It isn’t hard to learn that simple truth; all you have to do is listen to the enemy telling you so.
For us, the only strategy that is worth a damn is to win.
That’s a hard goal to accomplish when you’ve a bunch of ostriches with their heads way up their sand.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 12:32 AM
h/t to Entelechy, just because.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Saw John Fn Kerry on TV today, explaining why we had to wait, play our cards carefully, see what comes out of the investigation into election fraud, insisting we don’t make a move until we know who’s really in charge over there.
That’s all codespeak for ….. Hip Hip Hooray, I think we found a good excuse to surrender, again.
You bet it’s deja vu, complete with Kerry the Coward leading the retreat.
fogw on October 20, 2009 at 12:36 AM
To me Islam is the enemy and if we are going to fight Islam we need to fight Islam when and where and how we choose and in a way that puts the lives of our troops at minimal risk.
MB4 on October 20, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Lady Entelechy, out of sight but not out of mind.
PercyB on October 20, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Yes.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Definitely, PercyB. Schadenfreude is a tasty morsel, when properly served.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 12:41 AM
The fates are with you, Watson.
semloh on October 20, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Pakistan is actually taking on the various extremists in the provinces bordering A’stan. Winter snows are coming which makes movement between A’stan & P’stan difficult as the border area is mountainous. A large boost in forces at this time could seriously weaken the terrorists, trapped between two large hostile forces.
A second benefit is having a large mobile force in place on the other side of Iran if things turn hot there.
As far as waiting for a stable A’stan government, I thought the idea of us being there was to take the fight to the terrorists, not nation build.
GnuBreed on October 20, 2009 at 12:49 AM
Indupitably.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 12:52 AM
You seriously think that President Obama is planning to suspend the constitution?
In reality, let’s just focus on the midterms.
ckoeber on October 20, 2009 at 12:54 AM
You really think these are ordinary times?
In reality, let’s focus on the fucxing facts.
Facts, sir.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 12:57 AM
Whats been amazing to me, is that the Press has been giving Obama a pass, and “time to study this”.
Guy ran for President and spoke about Afganistan many times. He was in office for months… while a WAR raged… and is only NOW studying the situation and coming up with a strategy?
Romeo13 on October 20, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Not gonna happen when Hussain is enforcing hudna in favor of the taliban
macncheez on October 20, 2009 at 1:00 AM
Dude. Sounds like JFK’s relationship with the military.
Just sayin’.
People wondering if the ‘rug is being pulled out from under us’?
Where have we heard that before.
B Man on October 20, 2009 at 1:00 AM
Tough talk here. 100,000+ troops? Massive bombing runs?
Been there, done that..
We don’t need a bigger gun. Better ideas, please.
ckoeber on October 20, 2009 at 1:05 AM
Saying Obama sucks is one thing but MB4 writes this:
There isn’t much facts in the statement above.
ckoeber on October 20, 2009 at 1:09 AM
macncheez on October 20, 2009 at 1:09 AM
No. Why suspend it when he can just slowly eat away at it.
MB4 on October 20, 2009 at 1:09 AM
MB4 and I might disagree on the origins of the wisdom of Twain, but we both know an enemy when we see one. United front and all, you know.
ckoeber, your arguments so far have failed to entertain me, much less inspired me to respond seriously. So, as PercyB would say:
La.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Allow me to make this simple for you:
You will not divide us: you will not conquer us.
Too bad for you.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Definitly not. Certainly not for an extended perriod of time. You must have missed my last 1,000 comments.
Certainly not to be ruled out if good opportunity presents.
MB4 on October 20, 2009 at 1:16 AM
You must take it in the context of what it was a counter possible “scenario” to.
MB4 on October 20, 2009 at 1:18 AM
They “better idea” is to recognize that Islam is our enemy, not our new friend.
MB4 on October 20, 2009 at 1:22 AM
Touche.
PercyB on October 20, 2009 at 1:24 AM
Uhhh, OK.
So translate that into an actual strategy and then this statement can make sense within this discussion.
Talking tough is easy. All you have proposed, based off of a rudimentary interpretation of your statements, are more troops.
That isn’t a cohesive strategy. That’s just the military’s version of throwing money at the problem.
Again, ideas please.
ckoeber on October 20, 2009 at 1:24 AM
Just because I care.
hillbillyjim on October 20, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Then wage a PR campaign?
Look, Islam is a religion, not a country or organization.
That requires convincing people that Islam is a failed ideology, etc.
Guns don’t work really well in PR campaigns. Ask practically 95% of dictators, past and present.
ckoeber on October 20, 2009 at 1:26 AM
Obama? I’d sooner trust a snake.
PercyB on October 20, 2009 at 1:27 AM
Thanks?
ckoeber on October 20, 2009 at 1:29 AM
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