Ziegler: Why I got the boot from WCPAC

posted at 9:05 pm on October 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier today, I wrote about John Ziegler’s confrontation with the ACU’s David Keene and his eventual expulsion from Western CPAC.  This evening, John writes an exclusive column for Mediaite, along with exclusive video, explaining the incident and the background that led to it:

I have a really hard time with people who claim to be crusaders for the conservative cause but who are really only in it for either personal and/or economic aggrandizement. In my media career I have found that vast majorities of the elite among conservative politicians and media stars fit into this pathetic category. One of the most aggravating aspects of the heat I have taken over the past year for my efforts to shine light on the injustice of the media coverage of the 2008 election is that I often get accused of being one of those who only craves personal attention and has less than pure motives (which considering I was a long time radio talk show host, a career infested with such scoundrels, I can actually begrudgingly understand).

To me, now more than ever, the conservative movement must purge itself of those in its “leadership” who are not worthy of the cause they claim to champion. Over the past year I have begun to suspect that David Keene, the head of the American Conservative Union and the Chairman of CPAC (the largest annual gathering of conservatives) may fit into this category. …

So, with this as the backdrop, I went to Western CPAC in Newport Beach this past weekend as a scheduled speaker and an exhibitor. I also went with the full intention of getting David Keene to address at least some of these issues.

It became clear to me that the best way to do this was, rather than going way off the topic of my speaking panel (I was there to talk about my arrest at USC’s Katie Couric journalism award ceremony) and making an unnecessary scene that probably wouldn’t even make sense, was to get an interview with David Keene. Keene agreed to do a sit-down interview and the guys from Orange County Films (who had videotaped the Couric episode) volunteered to shoot whatever happened that day.

This is the first of three videos at Mediaite:

Rather than write too much about this myself, I’d encourage everyone to read John’s article and watch the videos. From my perspective, the only thing John did that crossed any kind of line was when he followed Keene into the speaking hall — where Keene was obviously trying to run away — and he had to be asked to stop repeatedly to keep from disrupting one of the panels. Instead of just dropping it, the event organizers escalated the problem by first kicking John off of his panel and then making the entire issue public when John had already agreed to leave — an agreement in which I was involved, for full disclosure, and which fell apart while I got sick in the hotel (I had some problems with my diabetes medication this weekend). The final act of this little drama was, from my perspective, completely avoidable by Western CPAC’s brain trust.

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Conservatism is about ideas, not personality.

Coming from a supporter of the party of Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Palin, and Limbaugh, this makes no sense.

Grow Fins on October 18, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Beck, Coulter, Palin and Limbaugh have the best conservative ideas at the moment. But that’s not enough. Their lives are open books of success of conservatism.

Politics is all about personalities: Trusting that the carrier and speaker of ideas will follow the same ideas when his or her chance comes in.

Please note: Idea without work (i.e., actually doing it) is a dead idea. This is where so many so-called conservative leaders fail. I know. I reviewed the works of T-Paw, Huck, Romney, Daniels, Barbour, Palin, Crist (obligatory), Gubernator (obligatory), Sanford (obligatory), Perry, etc.

Palin and Perry’s works are NOT “perfect”. But they at least achieved 95% of their major promises. And their accomplishments have long-lasting, positive effects on the economy. Palin’s career is so striking. She did what she promised to the Alaskans … in just 2 years.

Palin was the most efficient Governor in modern American History.

Jindal is currently making a pact with the Devil with his CARBON MARKET idea.

So, next time bring some accomplishments and actual deeds when you speak of “conservative ideas”.

HERE’S A CLUE:

WHEN THE SO-CALLED CONSERVATIVES SAY PALIN IS UNELECTABLE BECAUSE SHE’S DIVISIVE … THAT IS THE TIME WHEN THE SO-CALLED CONSERVATIVES ARE PRACTICING PERSONALITY-BASED POLITICS … NOT PRINCIPLES.

SO, ATTACK PALIN’S PRINCIPLES AND WRITINGS, NOT HER PERSONALITY AND PERSONAL LIFE PLEASE.

TheAlamos on October 19, 2009 at 3:37 AM

WoW! I lost a lot of respect for CPAC…

Tim Burton on October 19, 2009 at 3:39 AM

Ok, this guy’s purse strings are being pulled…

desertdweller on October 19, 2009 at 6:03 AM

Who cares?

Terrye on October 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM

Let’s see, Keene bashed SP repeatedly, not only backed Spector but has been a friend for 30 years, and is on the take.

Sounds like we have located part of the problem with the conservative movement.

Time to stick our fingers down our throat and purge!

John was a bit pushy and confrontational but this guy deserves it.

conservnut on October 19, 2009 at 7:04 AM

Who cares?

Terrye on October 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM

I for one do… that was the so called “conservative “movement on display…
Or more accurately, once again, exposed for what it is not…

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 7:08 AM

OK that was intersting, we all want to target weak conservative leaders but I have to say that that interview had me sympathizing with Keene up until Ziegler nailed him witht he Arlen Specter bit. He threw in a lot of red herrings I thought and the interview was all over the place and seemed like a personal vendetta, but as good as Keene handled himself for the most part, the fact that he supported Arlen Specter simply because he was a “friend” is inexcusable. He then refused to endorse Toomey after Arlen switched party’s because of this friendship and that is no excuse when it comes to promoting good policy and values.

I’ll watch the other clips now but just want to say that Keene is right about siding with FedEx over UPS, even if he wanted a little green in return.

Daemonocracy on October 19, 2009 at 7:16 AM

This doesn’t matter. It’s a bunch of empty suits proclaiming they are conservatives. The only real people that matter, are the voters, and the grass roots people.

Jeff from WI on October 19, 2009 at 7:22 AM

I admit Palin was treated horribly during the campaign. It was unfair. It’s politics. It is not other politicians haven’t been treated harshly.

terryannonline on October 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM

McCain once made a joke once about Chelsea Clinton being ugly.

terryannonline on October 18, 2009 at 9:54 PM

I have never seen a politician who was attacked hourly like Sara Palin and the attacks still continue. If the Republicans went after a female Democrat politician and her family like the Democrats when after Sara Palin all he!! would would have blown up. Please name a politician and family that were crucified like the Palin.

And for McCain making a joke about Chelsea Clinton….that was uncalled for, but how can you compare that to what the Palin’s went through everyday?

yoda on October 19, 2009 at 7:30 AM

I don’t know Jeff…
In principal I do agree but these stuffed shirts are stuck on the same page of the same old playbook and they really don’t want to change…and when they make a stab at it you get a website like what Steele did…ug

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 7:33 AM

John Ziegler’s confrontation with the ACU’s David Keene and his eventual expulsion from Western CPAC. … Instead of just dropping it, the event organizers escalated the problem by first kicking John off of his panel and then making the entire issue public when John had already agreed to leave…-Ed Morrissey

@^@`oops the cat’s outta the bag!
Evidently, Mr. Keene and his toadies are not only “Pay to play” closet Democrats, akin to the likes of Spectre –, but are the invisable hand puppeteer manipulators of the Conservative movement as well.

Wondering, how much Mitt had to pay to have Keene’s Conservative Spitshine applied to his anti-gun, pro-abortion, Romneycare brogans by CPAC? Oh yeah, and Mitty’s $dollar a vote$ internet voters, who bought the right to be counted in that CPAC straw poll which Romney Won in 2008? Lefty shenanigans & dirty tricks eating at the heart of Republican party, what a shame…

Bye the bye, Nice Shootin, and in
the Middle of the Target Mr. Ziegler.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on October 19, 2009 at 7:37 AM

Didn’t Keene introduce Romney for CPAC this year? So that means that Keene was backing Romney?

texasconserv on October 19, 2009 at 7:52 AM

Ziegler better watch it before he gets .. fax blasted!

the_nile on October 19, 2009 at 8:02 AM

Jim Lacy:

He was disruptive to me in the lunch line

…and you just don’t disrupt me when I’m looking at food. Nom, nom, nom.

Pablo on October 19, 2009 at 8:25 AM

I thought Keene was very patient with Ziegler, but Ziegler acted like an out of control radio shock jock rather than an interviewer. Should he have been kicked out? Probably not. Was Ziegler acting like a royal donkey? Definitely.

AngusMc on October 19, 2009 at 8:27 AM

Zeigler is just too rabid…calling Keene “corrupt”, needs a little more then a mike and an accusation.
John is too obsessed with Palin, and too obsessed with his own ideas…both aren’t 100% correct.
But Keene was wrong for bashing Palin. Saying she “bailed out” is just plain wrong and gave the left a huge amount of fire power. To say “I respect her”, and then bash her doesn’t work out.

right2bright on October 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM

McCain once made a joke once about Chelsea Clinton being ugly.

terryannonline on October 18, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Do you understand simple math…
If something is done once….and the other side does wrong hundreds, you are equating a pattern with a slip.
Where has common sense disappeared?
One wrongly worded joke, equals jokes about raping girls, ridiculing Trig, lying about a cheating husband, photoshopped pictures….sheesh, how embarrassing to use that argument.
“John said a joke about Chelsea, so what they did to Palin was…”, I can hear the whine of your voice.

right2bright on October 19, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Get ready to rumble. Can’t wait for CPAC next year.

RobCon on October 18, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Yes, let’s continue to enrich Keene!

True_King on October 19, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Ziegler’s a bit over the top for my taste, but he tends to be right on the media issues IMO.

Kind of makes a scene, often says the right things, but often in a “Look at MEEEEE!” kind of way.

Sort of a turn off, but it is nice to see the curtain pulled back from time to time. Ziegler seems to be just the guy to do that.

cs89 on October 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Ziegler seems more interested in making the story about him than the issues at hand. His style is unnecessarily obnoxious and accomplishes nothing other than to antogonize and close down his subject while giving himself another platform to promote himself.

Had he recited direct quotes in context and calmly steered the interview, Ziegler might have been able to actually reveal something. Instead, he deliberately inflamed the situation in order to get the results we see here.

Additionally, his continued obsession with being the self appointed defender of Sarah Palin’s honor is downright weird. I think Sarah can take care of herself and she probably wishes Ziegler would just go away.

Ziegler is a strange and unlikeable guy who drowns his own stories with his amateurish grandstanding.

RadClown on October 19, 2009 at 9:34 AM

I’d like to see or hear the videos and audio where she was whining. The fact of the matter is they ,sadly even so called conservatives,don’t want her to be the spokesman for the gop,exactly what they are saying about Rush.

ohiobabe on October 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM

I like Ziegler’s work, but this is weirdly out of line. If he has evidence to suggest Keene is on the take, he needs to present it, and pursue that line.

I thought Keene’s responses were measured and reasonable here. Ziegler did not really pursue a line of reasoning, but pushed innuendo into Keene’s face.

Not a good interview.

rogersnowden on October 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Ziegler did not really pursue a line of reasoning, but pushed innuendo into Keene’s face.
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I agree ,after he asks the ??? ,leave it alone,then it’s not the one asking the ?? that looks bad but the one that did not want to answer.We can form our own opinion w/out going to this extreme.

ohiobabe on October 19, 2009 at 9:50 AM

I know John gone thru some rough stuff wihe press but it seems to me he needs a little more tact.There’s something about him that even turns me off sometimes.

ohiobabe on October 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Sheeze… That was difficult to watch. Zieg, I think you’re on the right track… but I would have taken you out if you had harrassed me like that.
Dude, you made your point 5 minutes in. Don’t marginalize yourself by being a pr*ck.

edgehead on October 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM

…obsession with being the self appointed defender of Sarah Palin’s honor…Sarah can take care of herself and she probably wishes Ziegler would just go away. -Clown

A psych, and a mind-reader, all rolled into one clown! – oh my!

Listen-up clarabelle! Without Ziegler giving Keene a hotfoot, most of us would never know what a POS he, and the WCPAC promoters really are. I like Zieglers style, he keeps the situ humorous as he deconstructs hypocritical pompus phonies — great skill, we need more like him, and fewer of you on the conservative side!

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on October 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Dude, you made your point 5 minutes in. Don’t marginalize yourself by being a pr*ck.

edgehead on October 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM
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Exactly,yes he’s on the right track but leave it alone after a couple of probing questions and we can come to our own conclusions.

ohiobabe on October 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM

A psych, and a mind-reader, all rolled into one clown! – oh my!

Listen-up clarabelle! Without Ziegler giving Keene a hotfoot, most of us would never know what a POS he, and the WCPAC promoters really are. I like Zieglers style, he keeps the situ humorous as he deconstructs hypocritical pompus phonies — great skill, we need more like him, and fewer of you on the conservative side!

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on October 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Yeah, we need more people like you who think making fun of screen names constitutes intelligent discourse.

Like Ziegler, you seem more interested in vomiting invective rather addressing the sum and substance of what I said. Who’s the clown here? I just love the smell of irony in the morning.

RadClown on October 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM

You’re all missing the point of what John was doing…
He was exposing the “old boy “ network…Something the network in AK can tell you about…
John is laying the ground work for Sarah to take them on, on a national scale AND they know it…
Look how flustered Keene got …he openly said he wanted to punch John…lol!
Jeff from WI spoke of a grass roots effort… Here it begins…

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Related to this discussion.
Here in VA, on October 17th, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, VCDL, a pro second amendment group, held a “Freeedom Rally” outside the annual “Republican Roundup” fundraiser for the 7th District of Virginia. The 7th is currently represented by House Minority Whip, Eric Cantor (R-VA).

For the last five years, the GOP has held their event on private property that bans the carrying of firearms, but allows alcohol consumption.

Here is a short timeline of the dispute, from the President of the VCDL:

http://www.vcdl.org./static/innsbrook.html

With freinds like these, who needs enemies? The protest was fairly well attended but unseasonably cold weather did limit the turnout, probably to both events.

Just goes to the arguements made earlier about the GOP being very “clubby” and not really interested in constiuents voicing their opinion.

riverrat10k on October 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM

You’re all missing the point of what John was doing
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I don’t think so,we just disagree with how far to take it.

ohiobabe on October 19, 2009 at 10:11 AM

For those interested, here is a link that has some photos of the VCDL protest against the GOP’s choice of the fundraising event site.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/31805-10.html

riverrat10k on October 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Basic common sense and psychological analysis dictates that when you cannot successfully rip a persons words you must attach the person?

MSGTAS on October 19, 2009 at 10:18 AM

It’s ok for the left to use such or similar tactics… but not for us…
Being civil has its merits…I agree…but how has that worked in the last 40 or 50 years…
There comes a time when you have to take the gloves off…
What I see is an oligarchy and that’s got to change if this republic is to survive.

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM

There comes a time when you have to take the gloves off…

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM

There’s a difference between taking the gloves off and being hostile for its own sake. The situation called for a scalpel and Ziegler used a meat cleaver. He helped no one, revealed nothing new and actually hurt his own message by acting like a fool.

RadClown on October 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM

fixed it

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM

fixed it

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM

My next peeve, Jerry. I am American first, one world government, ehhh not so much.

riverrat10k on October 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM

RadClown on October 19, 2009 at 10:36 AM
in your opinion…but again…Keene threatened violence…
They are terrified of the truth…
btw…I know someone who can fillet a fish with any kind of knife…so long as it has a sharp edge…;)

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM

riverrat10k on October 19, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Me also…but not for me…for the little ones.

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:51 AM

If anyone’s at fault here it’s David Keene. After telling John Ziegler the interview was OVER, he kept turning and responding, turning and responding, and responding, and responding….!

Keep up the good work, John.

Yephora on October 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM

I’m amused that another commenter has labeled me an “establishment Republican” without knowing a single fact about me. Ditto for those who have taken my criticism of Ziegler’s sorry excuse for journalistic professionalism as an indication that I’m not a conservative.

There are far too many Hot Air readers who oppose Obama’s cult of personality with … their own cult of personality! Someone else hit the nail on the head by indicating conservatism is about principles/ideas more than it is about persons.

Look, our political atmosphere is simply not healthy right now, and the Left deserves the lion’s share of the blame for this. But the notion advanced by a considerable number of Right-leaning bloggers and readers that we should fight fire with fire is worse than absurd–it contradicts one of the most fundamental principles of conservatism that the ends cannot justify the means.

Real conservatism is process-driven, with faith in the system to produce a correct result. It is not ends-driven, and it never can be. This is what separates the authentic conservatives from the populists (who constantly wave their pitchforks in the air).

Are all elected officials conservative merely because they’re “elite”? No, but neither does merely being one of the “lil guys” make one a conservative. Conservatism is as conservatism does, y’all.

cackcon on October 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM

in your opinion…but again…Keene threatened violence…
They are terrified of the truth…
btw…I know someone who can fillet a fish with any kind of knife…so long as it has a sharp edge…;)

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Ziegler was looking for a violent reaction with his constant repitition of the same question peppered with name calling. It became obvious he was no longer even interested in an answer and was just trying to antagonize the guy and draw attention to himself.

If some people think that’s enlightening and informative, then to each his own. I find it unprofessional, immature and useless.

RadClown on October 19, 2009 at 11:33 AM

btw…I know someone who can fillet a fish with any kind of knife…so long as it has a sharp edge…;)

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM

I’m sure that someone isn’t Ziegler. That ham handed oaf has all the precision of a train wreck.

RadClown on October 19, 2009 at 11:37 AM

So what? Keene calls himself a conservative. Snowe calls herself a Republican. It’s not what you call yourself (or anyone else calls your for that matter). It’s what you DO and support with your time and resources.

CC

CapedConservative on October 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM

had to step out…tcob

Ziegler was looking for a violent reaction

again…in your opinion…I don’t think so…imho
antagonize him…you betcha… ;)
keene was exposed for the fraud he is…all he had to do ignore John and it would have ended…but he always had to get the last word in…that’s the way I saw it.

btw…I know someone who can fillet a fish with any kind of knife…so long as it has a sharp edge…;)

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 10:48 AM
I’m sure that someone isn’t Ziegler. That ham handed oaf has all the precision of a train wreck.

RadClown on October 19, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Gee… I didn’t even think of that… ‘)

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 12:30 PM

This doesn’t matter. It’s a bunch of empty suits proclaiming they are conservatives. The only real people that matter, are the voters, and the grass roots people.

Jeff from WI on October 19, 2009 at 7:22 AM

NO. EVENTUALLY REPUBLICAN VOTERS GENERALLY FOLLOW WHAT THESE ELITE PSEUDO-CONSERVATIVES TELL THEM WHEN ELECTION COMES.

IT MATTERS, INDEED.

TheAlamos on October 19, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Wahh! Sarah Palin! Wahhh!

Dr B on October 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Uh, Mr. Ziegler, might I suggest a film interview with Mike Huckabee instead?

Amendment X on October 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Add Mitt while you’re at it!

Sultry Beauty on October 19, 2009 at 1:28 PM

–it contradicts one of the most fundamental principles of conservatism that the ends cannot justify the means.

Are YOU kidding me? If you wanna take out the U.S.S.R. during the Cold War by building massive amounts of Nuclear weapon stockpiles and putting Pershing Missiles on their front is intelligent means that many say wasn’t in good and peaceful spirit. Like the the MOST CONSERVATIVE President in my lifetime, Ronald Reagan, understood about conservatism: INTELLIGENT MEANS comes to a JUSTIFIABLE END.

Sultry Beauty on October 19, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Are YOU kidding me? If you wanna take out the U.S.S.R. during the Cold War by building massive amounts of Nuclear weapon stockpiles and putting Pershing Missiles on their front is intelligent means that many say wasn’t in good and peaceful spirit. Like the the MOST CONSERVATIVE President in my lifetime, Ronald Reagan, understood about conservatism: INTELLIGENT MEANS comes to a JUSTIFIABLE END.

Sultry Beauty on October 19, 2009 at 1:35 PM

No offense, ma’am, but your ensuing argument seems to indicate no disagreement with my point. In fact, the concluding statement that proper means usually lead to proper ends is virtually identical to what I said. The only concern would be whether the means President Regan used were correct/proper. I tend to believe they were, for the most part, although I certainly regret that we’ve never amended the constitution to keep pace with the nation’s expanding global role from the early Twentieth Century onward.

The problem you face, however, when using ends to justify means, is that there is no limit to bending or breaking with what you might consider absolute principles. So are they really absolute? And if not, what is the point of having these principles in the first place?

cackcon on October 19, 2009 at 1:47 PM

I’ve never considered the ACU – ever – to be an arbiter of conservatism. Have you seen the ACU’s ratings? They are a joke!

Keene is a sell-out, and so is the rest of that sorry looking bunch in that hotel. Have you ever seen a more unattractive, soft, pudgy, stodgy bunch in your life? What a herd of betas. And the whining! Sheesh. Who is inspired by any of them? Embarrassing.

I am so done with playing politics as usual. Listening to Keene pontificate on what Palin should’ve done was an on-the-spot lesson in why politics as usual is killing the conservative movement.

Until a balls-to-the-wall conservative leader rises up and treats this political battle for the soul of America like the frakin’ WAR it really is, then I’m not interested.

Yeah, I’m lookin’ at you, Schmuckabee and Momney – you smarmey nanny-staters.

Redhead Infidel on October 19, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Ziegler is definitely obnoxious with his interview skills. Ask the question once, underscore the point, and move on.

However, he’s right about the conservative “leaders,” which in many cases are not only not supportive of conservatives but also overtly greedy and, in my opinion, amazingly incompetent.

AnninCA on October 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM

IMHO, Ziegler needs to let Palin go. Overall, I\’m a Palin fan, but even I think there is something to criticize in the way she \”bailed out\” of the Governor\’s chair.In general, I even like Ziegler, but this interview didn\’t do it for me. He seemed overly combative instead of asking tough questions. I don\’t know enough about Keene\’s actions to defend or support them, but in this interview it seemed like Ziegler came in with an agenda and wouldn\’t take a reasonable explanation at face value.IMO, Keene\’s rebuttals sounded fine to me. So he doesn\’t agree with Palin\’s handling of the media and resignation. Fine. I would agree with him on some of that. So Keene is a personal friend of Spector. Fine. Spector is clearly not a conservative, but if Keene sat out any campaigning because he felt he had a conflict of interest, what more could you ask for? At least he recused himself from that fight.In short, Ziegler came off combative and it didn\’t help his cause.

PersonalLiberty on October 19, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Ziegler is, by definition, combative.

AnninCA on October 19, 2009 at 3:22 PM

I think Ziegler hurt himself by not knowing when to stop. When Keene said the interview was over, it really should have been over. Then let the fact that Keene refused to answer questions and ran away become the news.

But on substance, Keene doesn’t look so good. It helps to explain why Palin gets attacked so much. We need to elect a president who will clean out some of the deadwood in the party rather than winking at the corruption.

I wonder who that might be…

tom on October 19, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Before I give my opinion of the incident, I will say I agree with Ziegler that Keene is corrupt elitist and a poor leader in the Conservative movement.

That said, Ziegler was too combative. Ziegler is a professional and knew he was going to get this response if he kept pushing. It was by design, not unlike the whole “balloon boy” escapade. He created this commotion for the camera.

While I highly disagree with Keene’s answers and opinions of Palin, Spector, and Fed Ex, he answered the questions. Badgering and insulting him is not going to get him to change his opinions. Do I think Keene is an elitist putz? Yes. Do I think he is trying to sabotage Sarah Palin along with his fellow Country Club Liberal Republican compatriots like Brooks, Noonan, Parker, etc.? Yes. Do I think he is deserving of contempt? Yes. However, Ziegler’s provocative strategy only served to make Keene look better and more reasonable.

Ziegler should have interviewed Keene and still pressed him on his Palin quotes, Fed Ex controversy, and Spector endorsement, but stopped short of personal insults.

Following the interview he could have used the interview footage and juxtaposed it with Keene’s earlier statements and positions resulting in a great editorial. It would have done far more damage to Keene’s credibility than provoking him. Provocation for provocation’s sake is counter productive when Michael Moore does it or when John Ziegler doe it.

DeathB4Tyranny on October 19, 2009 at 5:45 PM

I\’m a Palin fan, but even I think there is something to criticize in the way she \”bailed out\” of the Governor\’s chair.In general.
PersonalLiberty on October 19, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Are you forgetting the ROE in AK? The progressives plan was to inundate her with frivolous law suits and ethics complaints to keep her bottled up and always on the defense…and the plan was given the OK from people like keene …pure and simple…saul showed them the way…. It wouldn’t shock me to learn that it all came from the WH…

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 7:51 PM

How come no one is talking about this treaty the “0” is going to sign in, of all places, Copenhagen???
Here are two links that every American should be required to see… Here, please notice the date they want this study done by and when is that treaty gong to be signed? Umm…
And
here, well, I‘ll let Lord Monckton say it …

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Damn…wrong thread…senior moment…

jerrytbg on October 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM

…I just love the smell of irony in the morning.

RadClown on October 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM

That’s not irony ‘Clown, thats your sock!

The irony is, that those (Keene, ACU, et al) who want to shoot/punch/attack conservative messengers like John Ziegler, Sarah Palin etc, attempt to mask the origin of their own rotten odors. They, have hidden agendas, but pop-up & echo the left-wing mob mantra when they can cause damage to those not annointed by them, then they go silent, hiding their stinky charade, till the next opportunity to attack genuine conservatives, or manipulate issues via their lobbyists.

“In my seven and a half years in Congress, that was the most unusual alignment I ever saw,” says Largent. “I saw people at the ACU, who are typically very conservative in their views, basically prostitute themselves to a monopoly. My experience is that there are few people in Washington that are pure, and David Keene is surely not one of them. To hide behind the moniker of the ACU and then hold some of the positions that he holds is wrong.”–Steve Largent

http://www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/nr_comment072203c.asp

How many knew that David Keene, was the “pay to play” guy, the left-footed wolf in conservative sheep’s clothing, the Quisling of the Conservative movement? How many knew he was in Arlen Spectre’s vest-pocket for 30 years? How many knew he was tossing grenades at Sarah Palin, and under whose banner was he attacking her?

Well, many many more conservatives know about Keene’s character now — thanks to the Bulldoggedness of a reporter, who did his job, and exposed a fraud like Keene, and his thugs at WCPAC, to the ridicule they’ve earned!

Either we have ideologically pure Conservatives at the tip of the spear or we don’t. If not, let’s not fool ourselves into believing that we are armed and ready to take on the Socialist forces who are massing against us.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on October 20, 2009 at 3:41 AM

Keene is part of the problem. Palin, Ziegler, and Beck are part of the solution in returning the party to the people.

Not one dime to the Republican’s will I give. That was clear to me long ago unless they cleaned up their act. It does not appear so.

DWB on October 20, 2009 at 7:19 AM

Ziegler nailed Keene. ‘Nuff said. But, it was childish the way he bickered with him about his credentials as a reporter and his reputation toward the end of the interview.

He lost the appearance of objectivity in the first interview. Perhaps that wasn’t his goal but it made me wince.

keebs on October 20, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Last I checked, Sarah Palin was candidate for Veep in 2008. It’s 2009 now. Does anyone else find Ziegler’s obsession over Sarah Palin a tad…off? Get over it, move on, dude.

After her resigning as Guv, she’s not going anywhere if she runs for national office again. Check her poll numbers. And yes, I liked her. In ’08. Movin’ right along……

quikstrike98 on October 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Palin…Check her poll numbers.
quikstrike98 on October 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Why?
Has she announced that she is a candidate for an election? When she throws her hat & heart into the ring, that’s when the polls may become interesting, till then I’m enjoying the leftys and mods, of both parties, punch themselves out.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on October 21, 2009 at 12:11 AM

It is pretty clear that it is people like Lacy and Keene that are the reason we are loosing these elections. So long as prominent endorsements are for sale to the highest bidder, and friendships with liberals trumps true conservatism, then people will continue to be disillusioned by the Republican party.

Jewels on October 21, 2009 at 12:43 AM

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