Again: Axelrod, Emanuel attack Fox News on morning shows

posted at 12:25 pm on October 18, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via Breitbart, your White House talking point du jour expressed in nearly identical terms on two different shows: Unlike MSNBC and the rest of the media that these two control, Fox isn’t “real news” because it comes with a slant. Candygram for Ax and Rahm from the New York Times: Cease and desist.

It could all be written off as a sideshow, but it may present a genuine problem for Mr. Obama, who took great pains during the campaign to depict himself as being above the fray of over-heated partisan squabbling. In his victory speech he promised, “I will listen to you, especially when we disagree.”…

On the official White House Web site, a blog called Reality Check provides a running tally of transgressions by Fox News. It ends with this: “For even more Fox lies, check out the latest ‘Truth-O-Meter’ feature from Politifact that debunks a false claim about a White House staffer that continues to be repeated by Glenn Beck and others on the network.”

People who work in political communications have pointed out that it is a principle of power dynamics to “punch up “ — that is, to take on bigger foes, not smaller ones. A blog on the White House Web site that uses a “truth-o-meter” against a particular cable news network would not seem to qualify. As it is, Reality Check sounds a bit like the blog of some unemployed guy living in his parents’ basement, not an official communiqué from Pennsylvania Avenue.

The American presidency was conceived as a corrective to the royals, but trading punches with cable shouters seems a bit too common. Perhaps it’s time to restore a little imperiousness to the relationship.

Their strategy of demagoguing Limbaugh as the leader of the GOP made sense because it invited a comparison between Rush and The One, which, given their relative popular appeal, is a good match-up for Democrats. The anti-Fox strategy makes zero sense considering that (a) the public thinks the media is too liberal, which Fox uses to frame itself as a needed corrective, and (b) Fox’s most high-profile competition, such as it is, spent a fair chunk of the Bush years screaming about fascism and insisting that Roger Ailes runs a more dangerous organization than Osama Bin Laden. Not a good match-up. I assume the Fox-baiting is simply red meat they’re throwing to liberals to try to take the heat off on Afghanistan and “don’t ask, don’t tell,” but when even the Nation’s telling them to stop whining, the move to Plan B can’t be long in coming.

Update: I should have mentioned Jacob Weisberg’s attack on Fox as “un-American” in Newsweek here, but forgot. Luckily, Meryl Yourish didn’t.


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The burden of proof is on the positive side of the argument. Del Delmonte made the assertion, it was his duty to prove it.

crr6 on October 18, 2009 at 5:19 PM

[Emphasis added]

You mean like Obama’s claim that he really has a legitmate Hawaiian birth certificate?

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on October 18, 2009 at 10:19 PM

It’s time to stop taking the network’s skewed news seriously.

Bill Blizzard on October 18, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Bill you are an idiot to cite a source that cites O’Reilly as proof that Fox News isn’t a real news channel.

You idiot, Fox’s prime time programming is the equivalent of the editorial section in the newspaper. Their daytime programming is the equivalent of Section A and Section B in the newspapers.

karenhasfreedom on October 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM

My email to the WH

Fox News is a news organization. They’re just not one in the tank for your administration. You and your staff are making Saul Alinsky proud. You are trying to isolate and demonize Fox. Ol’ Astroturf Axelrod sent out the marching orders to the main networks,”… And the bigger thing is that other news organizations, like yours, ought not to treat them that way, and we’re not going to treat them that way.”

gitarfan on October 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM

“White House: Fox isn’t a legitimate news station.

“More incite from the Axelrod:
Water is wet. Fire is hot. Dogs bark, cats meow.

Typhonsentra on October 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM

“More incite from the Axelrod:
Water is wet. Fire is hot. Dogs bark, cats meow.

Typhonsentra on October 18, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Incite, huh? Hang on to that word, though. You might need it to describe what this administration is doing.

genso on October 18, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Del Dolemonte,

Go to MSNBC or ABC or NBC. They all use AP stories. MSNBC even had 3 from Newsweak. Fox has reporters and does original news stories every day. Your non sequitur about the use of AP sories is mindless drivel.

gitarfan on October 18, 2009 at 10:56 PM

I just watched the two clips of Axelrod and Emanuel again.

Two things really struck me.

The first was the pathetically soft nature of the questions both George Stephanopoulos and John King asked. George is the President of ABC News, for crying out loud! That’s the best he could do — with that stupid cat that ate the canary look on his face?

John King of CNN was even weaker with his “so sorry I have to ask you this question because we’re really good friends for 17 years, but . . . question.

That was it?

The second thing that struck me was, no follow up by either one of them?

In his answer to John King, Rahm conveniently felt free to change the subject and begin ticking off talking points and thereby trying to downplay the significance of what the Administration — the one that he internally runs — had launched.

In the words of Anita Dunn, the White House Communications Director, they were in a “war” that Fox News had somehow declared on the Administration!

So, even if you took her words at face value — which no sane person would — does that not at least deserve a follow-up question? Or, an interruption of Rahm Emanuel to ask him to please answer the question?

Dunn was early on identified by Steve Kroft for 60 Minutes as one of the five most influential individuals on the campaign, and later on within the White House.

And Dunn is plainly as nutty as a fruitcake.

But apparently ABC and CNN are perfectly willing to say there is no need to follow up, when two of the other “big five” show up to chat about something outrageous that she said?

Trochilus on October 18, 2009 at 11:07 PM

If you take Fox “News” as a actual News organization you just might a Wingnut. Be proud of it. You are making them a lot of money. Denying the obvious is simply crazy.

Be proud you have a strong media arm that is making a lot of people at Fox rich. However, don’t insult the world by declaring Fox real News organization.

Decider on October 18, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Obama, in his smug way, can’t have dissent. This is a weak man.

Bert Convy on October 18, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Decider on October 18, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Wow! You’re just the KING of the Ignorant Trolls tonight, aren’t chya’? Calling Fox News a News Organization only insults Worthless Idiot Puppet Monkeys like yourself. And you children really don’t count in the greater scheme of things. Have fun with that bleeding ulcer you got brewing there.
Stress will kill ya’.

ronnyraygun on October 18, 2009 at 11:40 PM

Be proud you have a strong media arm that is making a lot of people at Fox rich. However, don’t insult the world by declaring Fox real News organization.

Decider on October 18, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Since you apparently have nothing more than “because I said so” to back up your “opinion” that FOX news is not a news organization, maybe you could tell us who actually is a news organization.

Or you could back up your rhetoric by actually showing us proof that FOX is nothing but a propaganda machine by the Republican Party.

“Because Axlerod said so” is not proof.

The polls and viewing numbers pretty much reduces your credibility on this as nothing more than liberal drivel.

Baxter Greene on October 19, 2009 at 12:25 AM

Decider on October 18, 2009 at 11:26 PM

It is also pretty hilarious being told we need to smarten up by someone who can’t even post a complete sentence:

as a actual News organization you just might a Wingnut.

insult the world by declaring Fox real News organization.

How about cleaning up your own backyard before you start lecturing other people on their intelligence in decision making.

Baxter Greene on October 19, 2009 at 12:31 AM

“A lot of their news programming, it’s really not news. It’s pushing a point of view,” senior adviser David Axelrod said on ABC’s “This Week.”

Hmmm. Is he talking about people like CNN’s Rick Sanchez or Jack Cafferty, the man who rolls up his sleeves to read e-mails on air that all say, “Bush sucks”? What about the line up of mad hatters at MSNBC, Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann-no “pushing a point of view” there.

gary fouse on October 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM

Platypus, interesting theory you have here, but one big problem.

I truly believe that Obambi believes he is the king pin. His monumental ego will not allow others to get him pushed aside here. There is NO WAY he bows out gracefully before he loses badly in 2012. Remember, “I WON”.

Also, I think Hillary is distancing herself from this trainwreck by being very under the radar. She had been marginalized as SEcretary of State because Obambi put others in charge of hot areas around the world and those people bypass her and report directly to him. So Hillary can go around the world, rack up the foreign policy experience while not getting sullied by Obambi’s epic failures in the problem areas. Hillary is not the face on the news in those problem areas. She is sitting in the catbird’s seat here and I believe she will not be SOS through 2012. She will cut the rope on the liferaft and allow Obambi to fail all on his own.

karenhasfreedom on October 18, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Well, I like it (since it’s my theory). :)

While I do not disagree with the ego description of the Doofus-in-Chief, he more than anyone knows that he didn’t get here by himself. He knows he can’t stay here by himself.

He needs Axelrod (who is doing what they accused Cheney of doing). If Axelrod threatens to quit, who is going to take his job? Who would walk into a sinking economy, rising inflation (gold would almost double overnight), sinking polls, tea parties, townhalls, etc.?

Only a person who had not much to lose. And the press would jump on that person. As an aside, can you imagine Gibbs tripping over his tongue trying to explain why Axelrod jumped ship?

Well, Duh Won might be a narcissist but I don’t think he’s dumb enough to order the wind to stop. He would do anything to keep Axelrod, because that’s the Chicago way.

If HRC isn’t a sitting VP or POTUS, she doesn’t stand a chance against Sarah! for the female vote. Sarah has a track record as executive while HRC is merely a senator, like Duh Won, and we all see what good has come out of that.

No, she should have turned down the SoS but they told her to take it for the good of the party. She knew Dumbo needed some grownups around so she saw it as a duty. But now she sees that it is a muzzle so if she’s muzzled while Palin is free, for the good of the party, HRC has to be freed as well. Problem is that HRC’s negatives are higher than Sarah’s, plus her base is gender driven which Sarah negates.

As long as the dem party meme is ‘the sky is falling unless Duh Won departs,’ HRC can run their same justification (take SoS for the good of the party) back on them (resign for the good of the party).

This works on many levels but the real beauty of it is that none of the polls being taken are hypothetical match-ups between Sarah and HRC. Wonder why that is? Could it be that the dems have insider polling that shows the repubs will be unable to run anybody but Sarah in 2012?

If that is so, and Axelrod believes it to be true, then the good democrat is going to do whatever is necessary to stop that (or try to stop it).

Sarah is the most dangerous person (to the dems) since RWR. They see the handwriting on the wall and it’s their epitaph writ large.

I stand by my nutty theory. So nutty it might just happen.

platypus on October 19, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Axelrod and Emmanuel aren’t doing this without the approval of the Big Guy.

Mr. Cool can get hot, apparently.

Yeah, Alinsky and all that; but I thought he’d be smarter than to pull this off. Rally the base?

SteveMG on October 18, 2009 at 12:30 PM

It’s Michelle O. that is getting bitc*y about Fox. Her sidekick is just going along.

Strings on a puppet.

Sapwolf on October 19, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Michelle O. has been a lazy and selfish part of the transplanted machine from Chicago for years.

Sapwolf on October 19, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Be proud you have a strong media arm that is making a lot of people at Fox rich. However, don’t insult the world by declaring Fox real News organization.

Decider on October 18, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Of course it is a news organization you dumbs*it.

What else would it be? Investment Bank, Oil co., Pharmaceutical?

Trade Decider for one of these REAL trolls.

Sapwolf on October 19, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Let’s see, if I want to find out what the grassroots out there is thinking should I:

1) Watch lightweight John King hanging around in a Wasilla diner waiting for more lies against Sarah Palin, or

2) Watch 50 American mothers pouring their hearts out about their fears for their children on Glenn Beck’s show?

Which of those gives you more NEWS about what is in the hearts of Americans?

Sapwolf on October 19, 2009 at 1:17 AM

LOOKS LIKE FINALLY THE WHEELS ARE COMING OF THE OBAMA MACHINE

mooseburger on October 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM

WITH THOSE STATEMENTS, YOU REALLY DON’T WANT TO BE CALLED A NEWSMEDIA SINCE BY WH OWN WORDS IT MEANS YOU ARE CONTROLLED A.K.A. A PROPAGANDA MEDIA OUTLET

mooseburger on October 19, 2009 at 1:25 AM

What’s really strange are Axelrod’s and Emmanuel’s solicitations of other media outlets to treat Fox as not “real.” (Let’s make a club and keep Freddy out, OK? Oh, and let’s pretend he doesn’t exist, either.) Wow.

happy2behere on October 19, 2009 at 2:13 AM

Axelrod

I can’t get past the eyebrows

Amazingly IMHO, their campaign is giving FOX credibility

They are making FOX the place to go if you are uncertain about Obama, bacause the other media has only good to say about everything coming out of the WH

No wonder the independents and undecided are starting to fold

Meanwhile, I think the way Limbaugh was set up to take the NFL bait (as a partner of Soros!) was also a poor decision. It set up a ‘we versus them’ division that pushed some fence sitters to identify with Limbaugh, not his opponents. It was a very bad race card in a deck with so many better possibilities

entagor on October 19, 2009 at 3:11 AM

I took a nap

Apparently, The One already lowered unemployment to 3%, came up with a winning strategy in the Afgan War, figured out a way to lower healthcare costs while insuring more people with programs to make us all healthier and got rid of both the deficit and the national debt.

Must be true ’cause he now has nothing better to do than smack at Fox News after his smash results in Copenhagen.

IlikedAUH2O on October 19, 2009 at 3:18 AM

A malevolent narcissist who is a communist MUST have everyone worship him.

How could they dare not to?

Dhuka on October 19, 2009 at 3:25 AM

…Candygram…

Whine on Wayne!
Whine on Garth!

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on October 19, 2009 at 3:35 AM

White House is doing Fox a huge favor. People who normally don’t watch Fox will tune it in to see what all the fuss is about. Then Fox has a chance to “hook em” as viewers.

Jeff from WI on October 19, 2009 at 5:28 AM

Axlerod can only confuse people who can think for themselves when he makes remarks such as he did about and news network.

He sounds like Bagdad Bob to any human with half a brain who follows the news shows.

jarhead0311 on October 19, 2009 at 6:59 AM

Thank you White House for increasing the ratings of FoxNEWS :)

Red Eye @ 3AM beats CNN @ 8PM.

Its a wonderful Conservative world we live in!

JaqobJackson on October 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM

If you can’t refute Fox News’ message, attack Fox News.
Note to the Administration: it’s not working, guys.

kingsjester on October 19, 2009 at 7:53 AM

Sending out his court jesters to do his dirty work, is he?

mozalf on October 19, 2009 at 7:54 AM

Sadly, the place where Americans can’t get “legitimate news”, or anything else for that matter… is our White House.

EVERYTHING is a political manipulation with this administration. NOTHING can be trusted. And insult to injury, it’s all because they have so little respect for our intelligence. Think about it… their beef with Fox boils down to the fact that they think we’re all sheep to be led by whoever presents the best “marketing strategy”. Phaw!

It’s disgustingly childish behavior that has become par for the course in less than a year. And frankly, I can’t even say I ever expected better. Anyone with eyes could’ve seen it coming from this thin-skinned, ego-driven, perpetual presidential candidate.

Someone needs to clue him in that he won already. And weirdly, bogeyman Fox didn’t keep that from happening. Go figure.

Murf76 on October 19, 2009 at 7:58 AM

I’m sure this has been said already on this thread…
the more I keep hearing about this on today’s shows, the more I realize this is all about DEFLECTION…instead of talking about what is really important to this nation, dear leader and his cronies would rather gin up a fight with FNC ….they can’t handle the truth

cmsinaz on October 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM

They have been handed a most remarkable historical moment—in which they get to remake the media in their own image. They have the power and they are the subject. These people in this White House are in greater control of the media than any administration before them.

Fox News is the only thing remaining between us and the pitchforks.

drjohn on October 19, 2009 at 8:13 AM

So, 0bama has found an enemy he can engage: Fox, because it’s the only news outlet on TV that doesn’t bow and scrape in the presence of his greatness.

wildcat84 on October 19, 2009 at 8:24 AM

Pretty obvious what the two points are:
One…Fox is not a news organization, “LIKE YOURS IS”. They are separating the news organizations. So they are setting up the other stations as the “information” news, and Fox as the partisan news. When they eventually go on Fox it will always be with the caveat “we are here not because you are news, but because you are gossipy”.
Second…Don’t follow Fox, they are warning ABC and CNN and the rest, don’t follow Fox’s lead. They both said they are out to make money and they don’t expect CNN or ABC to follow the weak example of reporting.
So there you have the two talking points…Fox is a gossip rag, and a warning not to follow Fox example (lean right for viewership).

right2bright on October 19, 2009 at 8:27 AM

I think there is also a revenge motive here. Obama is ACORN. ACORN is Obama. He worked for them. He worked with them.

FNC was the only channel that dared show the Giles/O’Keefe videos.

wildcat84 on October 19, 2009 at 8:28 AM

wildcat84 on October 19, 2009 at 8:28 AM

good point…wouldn’t put it pass him with his vindictiveness…

cmsinaz on October 19, 2009 at 8:30 AM

Obama’s attack on Fox is exactly the type of thing Hugo Chavez did in his dictatorship.

daesleeper on October 19, 2009 at 8:43 AM

No surprise that the president’s surrogates are attacking FoxNews rather than Muslim terrorists!

How dare a news agency challenge Obama’s truthfulness! The administration’s attack on First Amendment freedoms of the media fall in line with the rise of socialism being advanced.

It can all be explained by the general purpose phrase, “Obama hates America,” applied to every initiative the administration supports; he is trying to remake the nation into something it is not and attacking a media outlet such as Fox that challenges his credibility is part of the effort.

IntheNet on October 19, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Who cares what this lying asshat says anymore.
Like you’re going to get facts, or even unbiased opinion?
As noted above, focus on the real enemies of America, you weasel.

PaddyJ on October 19, 2009 at 8:59 AM

“A lot of their news programming, it’s really not news. It’s pushing a point of view,” senior adviser David Axelrod said on ABC’s “This Week.”

Yup, just exactly like the MSM!

GFW on October 19, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Obama can’t go on Fox because they will ask him if William Ayers helped him write his books.

Really Right on October 19, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Paranoia will destroy ya!

elderberry on October 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Sunday by urging other news organizations to stop “following Fox” and instead join the administration’s attempt to marginalize the channel.

This is what they are afraid of…they have been able to control the media, but with Fox pulling huge numbers (and making mucho money), they are worried that CNN and others will begin leaning right and actually begin challenging the president and his message.

TEL AVIV – President Obama’s presidential campaign focused on “making” the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was “controlled,” White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference.

“Very rarely did we communicate
through the press anything that we didn’t absolutely control,” said Dunn.

They are not only afraid of Fox, but more afraid that other stations that are “in line” begin questioning them like Fox.

right2bright on October 19, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Even without these butt lickers trying to explain what is obvious to everyone, (that this administration and everyone in it thinks they are magicians),

We The People are not stupid enough to believe their LIES AND DECEPTION.
We know commies when we see them.

Cybergeezer on October 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM

When Ms. Dunn (Commie Mommy) claims the Administration (Mr. ‘Give em the Shaft’, Axelrod) Controls the media, she does not include FOX because they can not control the truth, all the Administration can do is control the lies.

MSGTAS on October 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM

What more proof is needed that these Obama Administration butt wipes are creating the Manchurian Candidate scenario?

Cybergeezer on October 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Only the government can run a news organization that’s fair and equitable to all parties. That’s why we need complete control of the news. The “for profit” news channels are only critical of the Obama administration because they’re trying to make a buck.

/sarc (for now)

John Deaux on October 19, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Would you buy a used car from either of these slobs? Didn’t think so.

Cybergeezer on October 19, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Fox News is the only news I watch on TV

Libertarian Joseph on October 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM

John Deaux on October 19, 2009 at 10:14 AM

No “sarc” needed, that is indeed the line of reasoning by the administration…but the real fear is that other stations decide they want to improve ratings so they begin copying Fox.
This isn’t so much to attack Fox, as a warning for others not to pursue Fox’s standards.
The moment CNN begins (they won’t) questioning Obama, their news reporters will be called out and punished severely as a lesson.

right2bright on October 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Even without these butt lickers trying to explain what is obvious to everyone, (that this administration and everyone in it thinks they are magicians),

We The People are not stupid enough to believe their LIES AND DECEPTION.
We know commies when we see them.
Cybergeezer on October 19, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Clearly the National Socialist Democrat Party is out to get any media that they don’t control.

Fake8 on October 19, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Heh, and these are the smartest guys in the room?

I hope and pray they keep this up. It is either win it or lose it at this time in our nations history. We go the way of tinpot dictatorship or we take back the republic.

With tools like the legacy media “journalists” being willing shills (not bad enough to be just a shill, you got to be a Willing shill) added to the notion that the thugocracy in the WH will negotiate with our nations enemies without precondition yet turn and attack one of it’s own is sublime.

I love a fool and his folly.

OkieDoc on October 19, 2009 at 10:31 AM

It is truly amazing that this administration has any support left at all. Where are all the left free speech advocates? It is only free speech when it promotes a totalitarian communist agenda? I’m sorry but that is Pravda. When oh when did the American media become Pravada?

This administration needs to be repudiated! No matter how bad the Republicans were under Bush there is just no match to these Democrats thirst…no maniacal, ravenous, thirst for power over the minds of Americans!

Axelrod and Emanuel are truly despicable and need deported to Cuba where their form of news is producing such a nice life for the citizens.

petunia on October 19, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Bring… it… on…

The more mud they throw, the deeper they sink into the pit…

Khun Joe on October 19, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Fox News is the only news I watch on TV

Libertarian Joseph on October 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Sadly, me too. I used to surf the three cables but I just couldn’t stomach the others when they totally sold out to the power elite. It just disgusts me to watch anything on MSNBC anymore and CNN is so fluffy and irrelevant anymore.

It is so so so sad. I used to be such a junky for all the stations and then their agenda over took the news completely.

Fox is the last station standing. The last station who even tries to get some balance. And they do they always interview people on the left and it is just so clear who is lying when they do.

That’s why the others only pick the weirdos on the right to interview because when they pick real people the contrast is just so obvious.

And it isn’t like there isn’t a need for the more liberal side of politics to be advocated. There is a need for a check on conservatism to keep it from becomming what the left has become.

I truly fear for this country. Especially if the backlash to this becomes someone so utterly without honor as Mike Huckabee.

I sense Huckabee is yet another ploy by the left to weaken truly good Republican voices as was McCain. Huckabee is being pushed to weaken the right.

It is amazing that the same strategy they used in 2008 will probably work again.

petunia on October 19, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Go to MSNBC or ABC or NBC. They all use AP stories. MSNBC even had 3 from Newsweak. Fox has reporters and does original news stories every day. Your non sequitur about the use of AP sories is mindless drivel.

gitarfan343 on October 18, 2009 at 10:56 PM

No, I stated a fact, not drivel.

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Of course this is Alinskys’ playbook (Rules for Radicals).

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
RULE 12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
They are so predictable.

PappyD61 on October 18, 2009 at 7:36 PM

The Alinsky rules are a technique used by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis.

Decider on October 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

If you take Fox “News” as a actual News organization you just might a Wingnut. Be proud of it. You are making them a lot of money. Denying the obvious is simply crazy.

Be proud you have a strong media arm that is making a lot of people at Fox rich. However, don’t insult the world by declaring Fox real News organization.

Decider343 on October 18, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Once again, Fox news wasn’t the “news organization” that had to fire its star reporter Peter Arnett after he falsely claimed America was nerve-gassing civilians in Laos. That was CNN.

And it wasn’t Fox News ignoring Saddam Hussein’s atrocities against his own people for 10 years. That was CNN also.

And it wasn’t Fox News whose CEO had to resign in disgrace after he was busted for falsely accusing US troops of murdering Iraqi journalists. Once again, that was CNN.

And it wasn’t Fox News that fact-checked a Saturday Night Live comedy skit they thought was “damaging” to the President they helped elect. Who did that?

When you can cite us comparable examples coming from Fox News, then we’ll discuss whether or not it’s a “real” news organization.

But until you can do that, you’re not even a real troll. You’re worthless. Please don’t insult our intelligence.

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/18/white_house_we_control_news_media.html

The above should put the NYTimes to shame. As well as all the other “controlled” media.

Perhaps there are some, any?, of the once proud American media who have enough pride to repudiate the Obama administration and begin to cover real stories instead of the ones the Whitehouse feeds it.

petunia on October 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM

The Alinsky rules are a technique used by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis.

Decider on October 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

And you have a problem with using Obama’s tactics? Since when.

petunia on October 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM

The Alinsky rules are a technique used by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis.

Decider343 on October 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Payback’s a getalife, isn’t it? You’re just upset that your opponents are swinging your own methods right back at you like a wrecking ball. And succeeding in showing just how much of an empty suit your Dear Leader is.

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM

The Alinsky rules are a technique used by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis.
Decider343 on October 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Payback’s a getalife, isn’t it? You’re just upset that your opponents are swinging your own methods right back at you like a wrecking ball. And succeeding in showing just how much of an empty suit your Dear Leader is.
Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM

What’s really great is that since the National Socialist Democrat Parties agenda is based on nothing but lies and hypocrisy it makes a really nice target.

Ridicule based on truth and logic is much more effective a technique than the National Socialist Democrat Parties’ ridicule based on outright Lies and double standards.

Maybe Saul ‘Lewinsky’ should have thought this through a bit more before setting it up this way.

Fake8 on October 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM

The Alinsky rules are a technique used by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh on a daily basis.

Decider on October 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Hell yes they are! They seem to be working too!

daesleeper on October 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM

CNN’s flagship “news” program is “The Situation Room”. It’s anchored by a failed Jeopardy contestant who was a history major in college. His idea of “hard news” is to fact check a comedy skit from “Saturday Night Live”.

Fox News on the other hand for their signature news show used a guy named Britt Hume, who worked for three major city newspapers before spending nearly a decade working at the feet of a true reporting legend, Jack Anderson. He then spent almost a quarter of a century as a reporter for ABC News. While working for Anderson Hume broke a major story putting then-President Nixon in a bad light.

Not even close.

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Serious tactical error here, White House dummies. Serious tactical error. You don’t get it. You haven’t read the books, seen the movies, in other words, paid attention to the American mythology at large!!! Americans ALWAYS rally around the little guy–the oppressed. (Please refer to the following movies as examples: Dodgeball: An Underdog Story–misfits beat “the fit”; Red Dawn: when HIGH SCHOOLERS fight invaders and WIN; Star Wars–ALL OF THEM PLEASE!: Evil EMPIRE defeated by “old religion” and rag tag rebels; etc. etc. etc.) It’s imbedded in our DNA. You have set FOX news up as the little guy, the oppressed. Smarter tactic here: let Fox news ride. If it is a fluke, it will crash and burn. If it is a real source of news, it will stand and get stronger. My bet is on the latter–regardless. And by the way, Dr. Frankenstien, that glow you are seeing in the distance. That’s the light from the torches of the little people coming for your monster. Stop it now!

Driefromseattle on October 19, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Be proud you have a strong media arm that is making a lot of people at Fox rich. However, don’t insult the world by declaring Fox real News organization.

Decider on October 18, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Since I’m new here I’ll ask: Decider is one of the house trolls?

Shambhala on October 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Since I’m new here I’ll ask: Decider is one of the house trolls?
Shambhala on October 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I believe he is, we really do need a Current Troll list that we can all refer to in these situations

Juno77 on October 19, 2009 at 2:10 PM

With the vermin that infests the White House and Congress today, the only way to fix this infestation is to tent these places.
What more proof does any one need that this is what their intentions are? They’ve attacked ordinary citizens with their appointed lackeys, for questioning them face to face and having the news report these encounters. They’re using the racial animosity to create hatred against anyone that crosses their paths, and using their authority to appoint criminals that are using federal tax money to purchase sympathetic voter blocks, unions, and individuals.
This administration is creating the face of 21st century Communism.

Cybergeezer on October 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fox_biz/cnn_msnbc_ban_appearances_on_imus_140562.asp?c=rss

Let’s Play Who is an Arm of the Democrat Party?

David Axelrod called for a boycott and Both CNN and MSNBC responded. “propagandist”

George Stephanopoulos of ABC will be on Imus in the morning tomorrow?

Dr Evil on October 19, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Really, Jimbo, what do you have in mind? How are you going to find out who is paying and who is not? Water boarding?
bloggless on October 19, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Really, how are you stooges for the National Socialist Democrat Party going to figure out who to turn in?

Fake8 on October 19, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Sorry! wrong thread.

Fake8 on October 19, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Since I’m new here I’ll ask: Decider is one of the house trolls?

Shambhala on October 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Yes.

Also see crr6, Grow Fins, Bleeds Blue, Canadian MP Dave “Sheetrock” Rywall, Bill “Is It Snowing In Here or What?” Blizzard, and Wolfman’s bastard nephew Norman.

Del Dolemonte on October 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM

“I disapprove of what you say,but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Voltaire 1694-1778

Marco on October 19, 2009 at 3:49 PM

At the moment this thread has 471 comments. Most of which are smart conservative commenters. Why are we all wasting our time with this intended distraction….didn’t anyone listen to the dirty filthy liars speech on the radio Saturday. Lost the link but go find it. He is destroying yet another industry… what is going on with unemployment, jobs, the dollar, Israel, Iran, Afghanistan, this list goes on and on. Their plan is working. We are off the mark. Mass destruction of America as we know it and we are futzing around with their choice of distraction du jour. Today it is the senseless network crap… we KNOW FNC is the best and it is news. Don’t let these morons continue to take our minds off the plan…. get the white house back.

highninside on October 19, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Arguing with idiots is futile. If they could read history or talk to some of the brave people who fought in WWII, they may see just where this government is headed. If they succeed I hope that the “idiots” are the first to feel the sting of suppression of “freedom of speech”.

hillbilly on October 19, 2009 at 7:15 PM

My question is, why, if the WH thinks Fox is soooo bad. Why is it okay for the alphabet stations to make up lies? If they are so in tune for news to report news? Oh, that’s right. They only like news that follows their bs.

Rahm is such a pretty boy. In some ways I hope he ends up in prison.

Seriously, I’m seeing a loser face in both Rahm and Axelrod. They know the floor is falling. These people have no clue, they just can’t see beyond their own arrogance. I for one can’t wait till they crawl out the door. Hopefully we will get to nudge them in more ways than one.

nwpammy on October 19, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Fox News is the only news I watch on TV

Libertarian Joseph on October 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM

I, too, prefer Fox News for news on tv. But just a word of warning here: always, always question everything, no matter the source. And, don’t just watch tv. Read books, read Internet sites like this (I get a better feel of things by reading what you all have to say or talking to other people than I do from tv). My hackles are starting to come up lately – seems we are seen as nothing but lemmings – unable to calculate/analyze and judge for ourselves – are we just the masses to be tugged this way or that to serve the purposes of the powers that be? i.e., buy gold, buy gold (hmmm, who is benefiting/profiting on this latest wave?)

I’m very concerned that the next attack coming is on our free speech on the Internet. Seriously, this administration should be above bashing conservative radio and tv and their voracity is unsettling. They should be able to take criticism in stride – after all, don’t the dems have a majority? Why are they getting their knickers in such a twist? Is it that some of the criticism has hit too close to home? What happened to the President’s claim that he would have open debate and transparency?

The debate of late has become shrill and people are becoming hateful in their remarks – on both sides. Although most of you here are well behaved and express yourselves intelligently, please, please conservatives, don’t say things that only serve as ammo for the libs to bash us with.

fullogas on October 20, 2009 at 12:34 AM

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