Video: Chris Matthews vs. Texas tea partier

posted at 12:48 pm on October 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

Light entertainment for a slow news day per a few reader requests. It ends up devolving into an argument over whether the Keynesians or Amity Shlaes are right about the Depression, but Matthews’s repeated — and futile — attempts to bait him on things like Birtherism and secession are amusing. Watch to the end or you’ll miss the money line, a vivid illustration of that new lefty study confirming that no, in fact, for most right-wing Obama opponents, it’s not about race.

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Still blaming Bush-how long are these liberal nutjobs going to ride that train? And yes Obama’s real good because remember what Hoover did? Touche Chrissy leg thrill boy! Funny we never hear exactly what is so great about what Obama has done so far from these weenies.

Alfresco on October 17, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Can Chris Tingle get any lamer? Yes he can!

MCGIRV on October 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Does anyone really think the “well Bush did X” or “but the republicans did Y” argument works when Bush had horrible approval ratings and the Republicans lost their majorities?

Why can’t tools like Crissy realize that you can think Obama is doing a horrible job AND think the Republicans screwed up royally?

Ampersand on October 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Chrissy is a d-bag par excellence.

Dopenstrange on October 17, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Check out Matthews face, it’s like he’s hearing the free market argument for the first time in his life.

Golden Boy on October 17, 2009 at 5:14 PM

The Tea Party guy did a great job of illustrating what a tool Matthews is!

Star20 on October 17, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Thank for posting AP.

I kept wanting the Tea Party rep to say that Obama voted for all those bailouts. They can’t blame BUsh forever, although they’ll try. Congress agreed and passed it. He missed a couple opportunities. He recovered eventually from Matthews’ attempts to sidetrack him. He dId very well pounding against the pols irresponsible spending.

Clearly, Matthews lives in a bubble.

conservative pilgrim on October 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM

As a child, Matthews dressed up in his mothers underwear when she wasn’t around.

Jeff from WI on October 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM

Matthews, interesting you bitch about Texas recession rumors, but I’m betting you haven’t bitched at the Vermonters who are pushing for recession.

Anyway, this is just such a waste to watch. All it does is annoy me because Matthews lives in a bubble and is oblivious to any facts not shared with him at this elitist cocktail parties or in his daily WH talk points.

RightWinged on October 17, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Oh, and one other thing…. let me explose Matthews’ “what if Obama had done nothing” canard. He says people would have been more pissed (ignoring the fact that experts say the recession would have been over months ago if he had done nothing).

But my main point here is to throw it back in Matthews’s face, using the Iraq War as an example. What if we had 13 years of Democrats making the case that Saddam had WMDS, every world intelligence agency and the UN agreeing, and Bush decided in late 2002/early 2003 that “nah, I’m not worried” and then we’d been attacked by Iraq’s WMDs? Yeah… And by the way liberals, this is the argument to end all arguments about Iraq. I could get in to the fact that I believe WMDs were there for quite a variety of reasons, but that’s irrelevant. After 9/11, everyone thought they were which left Bush no choice (which, if you’ll recall, is why most elected Dems supported the move at the time… the “Bush lied” meme only took the scene when the 2004 election cycle was on the horizon.)

RightWinged on October 17, 2009 at 6:08 PM

As a child, Matthews dressed up in his mothers underwear when she wasn’t around.

Jeff from WI on October 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM

From his performance, I think he still must be wearing it under the suit…

landlines on October 17, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Matthews, as always leaves out the fact that Obama voted (one of the few things he did as senator) for the bailouts so that point is moot even before he makes it.

Bringing up the depression only caused him to get owned once again. Maybe that’s why he has folks on his show that 99.99999% of the time agree with his beliefs.

One last point to Chris, BUSH INHERITED A RECESSION FROM CLINTON.

jdsmith0021 on October 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM

So, evidently Chris Matthews agrees that Bush was on the right path with his deficit spending since Obama picked up the torch and ran into the endzone, then sprinted out of the stadium with the deficit expenses he enacted. If it was wrong for Bush to increase the deficit by overspending, then President Obama has tripled down on that line of thinking. How many wrongs make a right, Chris?

wordsmithy2009 on October 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM

We need more interviews like that. The Tea Party guy came off very classy and intelligent while Chrissy seemed like his panties were two sizes too small.

cjk on October 17, 2009 at 6:37 PM

I swear, whenever I force myself to watch a Matthews or Olby clip, my first thought is that these two nutbags somehow escaped from their respective rubber rooms and had accomplices at MSNBZZZZZZZZZ help them off with their straight jackets and into their $1,500 suits. It’s hard to listen to the incoherent ramblings of psychotic and schizophrenic personalities, which is why I don’t too often.

Goldy1 on October 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Just another thought. Didn’t Bush run up the deficit on the war? When is the right time to spend that surplus that Matthews thought we had? When we are defending our country against, oh say, an enemy that killed almost 4000 innocent victims on our own soil? Are the Dems mad because they didn’t get to spend the money on something else? Please tell us those who are of the liberal persuasion if you think single payer health care trumps national security?

I thought Democrats and Republicans worked for the good of America. Thanks Bill Clinton for leaving us the money to keep us safe against the terrorists. Thanks George Bush for having the nads to do use that money for the safekeeping of our liberty and our lives.

wordsmithy2009 on October 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM

So according to Krissie, cutting taxes, providing more freedom and reducing the size of government is doing nothing? What a tool.

TexAz on October 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM

I would have taken Chrissy to task for his characterization that we were facing the next great depression. Other then that this guy did an excellent job.

He did a good job of keeping Matthews on his toes by having good responses, which seemed to catch him off guard at times. Chrissy was going all over the place trying to find some nugget that he could exploit to show his superiority and he never got it.

Just A Grunt on October 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM

As a child, Matthews dressed up in his mothers underwear when she wasn’t around.

Jeff from WI on October 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM

He still does.

Mangy Scot on October 17, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Too bad people that blatantly lie like Matthews don’t catch fire.

nelsonknows on October 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM

God.. I was able to keep my head from exploding. I despise that man.

I am about to go crazy when liberals keep saying “status quo” and “you would rather do nothing.” This is 100% FALSE. We want to do the RIGHT thing, not the wrong thing. Deficits are fine when they are manageable. We have moved way beyond manageable.

cannonball on October 17, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Too bad he didn’t hit Chris Matthews with Smoot-Hawley. That was the one thing that Hoover signed that pushed us over the edge into the Great Depression, and that was not “lasseiz-faire” capitalism, but Keynesian economics.

JeffWeimer on October 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM

As a child, Matthews dressed up in his mothers underwear when she wasn’t around.

Jeff from WI on October 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM

hell, crissy’s mother dressed him up as a girl just to stop the incessant whining, otherwise.

ndanielson on October 17, 2009 at 7:59 PM

As a child, Matthews dresses up in his mothers underwear when she isn’t around.

Jeff from WI on October 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM
fify

cableguy615 on October 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Chris is flustered because the Texas gentleman is not taking the bait: he’s not a fan of big spending (R) or (D) politicians.

Neither am I. Throw ALL the bums out!

DTogo on October 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM

I can’t wait until the mid term election to knock that smirk of Matthews’s face.

Matthews is a buffoon who enjoys belittling the common man, never realizing how he diminishes his already Lilliputian-like stature.

R Square on October 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Does Matthews not realize what this size debt does to the dollar, how it can cause ramptant inflation, etc?

The Tea Party guy did a good job…Bush did a bad job with the debt, after supposedly being on pace to balance the budget by 2013..the bailouts ruined all of that, and was the worst part of his presidency.

therightwinger on October 17, 2009 at 9:18 PM

So according to Krissie, cutting taxes, providing more freedom and reducing the size of government is doing nothing? What a tool.

TexAz on October 17, 2009 at 6:56 PM

That is what Obama says. He who makes leg tingle wins.

CWforFreedom on October 17, 2009 at 9:19 PM

I had to listen to it twice, but Chrissy agreed with the guy on securing the border. Where did that come from?

Mirimichi on October 17, 2009 at 9:20 PM

What’s amazing is Chris talked to someone who put almost NO effort into the response at College Station. Phillip’s DTP sole response was to send out a notice 36 hours before the one bus left from Dallas to go to College Station; less than 30 on that bus (I was one) and the majority there were organized from the Dallas 9-12 group. Others from Dallas drove down on their own, but not through any significant effort by the Dallas Tea Party. Ft. Worth’s 9-12 group, a much smaller base, sent 3 buses.

DTP can take credit for a lot of stuff, but the implication here that they were heavily involved in College Station has to be crrected.

The effort was primarily done by a variety of other groups around the state and the Young conservative groups on campus at Texas A&M.

If you want to see how it went from someone who actually went, you can review the original video and pictures here on the North Texas Tea Party site.

michaelo on October 17, 2009 at 9:41 PM

BTW: NTTP’s only involvement was a handful that went and the video and pictures that we produce. All credit and kudos belong to the Young Conservatives and Hands Off Texas crew. They did great!

michaelo on October 17, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Again Matthews shows he doesn’t know a damn thing about history but still tries to paint this noble Texan as historically challenged. Hoover began the governmental activism that FDR kicked into high gear. It was Hoover’s tariff and federal reserve policies that caused the depression. Hoover was a centralizer who did not trust markets. FDR then kicked the centralization and spending into high gear and caused an additional and prolonged downturn. Europe had already begun to revive when FDR sent America back under for 5 more years. Cheers to this guy for showing up ideologue Chris!

vilebody on October 17, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Chrissy is such a f*ckwit.

There, I said it.

Hoover raised spending (which FDR railed against *before* he became President) and raised trade barriers. It was a one-two punch that landed us in a massive depression.

FDR then raised spending again, by several orders of magnitude, erected more trade barriers, and raised taxes. He pushed for union organization and raised wages as well, guaranteeing that companies had to lay off more workers.

Death spiral.

Kind of like Obambi is doing right now.

Wanderlust on October 17, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Wow! Now my blue state CT relatives might understand why I married a Texan and an Aggie to boot…Gig ‘em Aggies… the protesters at College Station were great. Can’t wait to retire to Texas and change my handle to Yankee-in-TX.

My husband used to introduce me as “We have a mixed-marriage because I married a Yankee” which always got laughs at Aggie get-togethers. Go BBQ brisket…Matthews is tripe, the “Ordinary” American was BRILLIANT!!!

YankeeinCA on October 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM

michaelo on October 17, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Don’t take it too hard. Hardball’s people picked this guy because they thought he was a chicken ripe for the plucking. They didn’t realize that they got a falcon until bloody strips were hanging off of Chris’s arms.

Phillip did good; don’t tear down people who do good.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on October 17, 2009 at 10:39 PM

At 9:15 he said it doesn’t “give me a thrill up my leg”……LOL!!!

Best moment ever.

nottakingsides on October 17, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Dissent is patriotic…or is that too 2008?

BHO Jonestown on October 17, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Maybe Chrissy should do a little study of history himself. Try starting with the Revenue Act of 1932. And figure out which programs Roosevelt continued that Hoover implemented. I wish this man had mentioned that even though the stimulus plan was approved, very little of the money had been spent when things started turning on their own. A jobless recovery, something Bush was beaten over the head with even with unemployment at record lows.

Sue on October 18, 2009 at 12:05 AM

I find Chris Matthews repulsive and offensive.

Watching and listening to him is an uncomfortable, unpleasant experience.

He is so misinformed on the issues, as evidenced again in this tirade of his.

Matthews also is wwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy to hyper for my taste.

Did he forget his meds?

He looks like he cannot even take a breath.

Is his blood pressure extremely high?

I would HATE to feel as hyperactive as Matthews appears to be.

Furthermore, he shouts through virtually the entire interview, and he appears to take a side of animosity and aggressiveness toward his conservative guests. I don’t see balance or fairness in his interviews, just a “I’ve gotcha!” or “I’ma gonna’ gitcha!” mindset operating in his interviews.

How can this guy continue to host a nationally televised program?

Whew.

Chris Matthews, take a chill pill. Calm down!

Now I’ve got to go meditate to find my inner calm for Matthews was so hyper that he has my whole house hyperactive!

By the way, Philip Dennis handled Matthews very well.

Kudos to Philip Dennis!

William2006 on October 18, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Initially I didn\’t want to watch this, because the professional media types have this tendency to drag regular folks on their show and treat them like crap, and the regular folks, being intimidated as would be natural, look goofy.I\’m really proud of this guy. I don\’t know who he is… but he did a super job. \”Did you really bring me on to debate Hoover\’s policies? Really? I don\’t care what Hoover did.\” Awesome stuff.

12thMonkey on October 18, 2009 at 1:43 AM

So, evidently Chris Matthews agrees that Bush was on the right path with his deficit spending since Obama picked up the torch and ran into the endzone, then sprinted out of the stadium with the deficit expenses he enacted. If it was wrong for Bush to increase the deficit by overspending, then President Obama has tripled down on that line of thinking. How many wrongs make a right, Chris?

wordsmithy2009 on October 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM

THANK YOU! Matthews kept demonizing Bush and then essentially championing Obama for carrying on all the things Bush did that were wrong. It’s one or the other.

MannyT-vA on October 18, 2009 at 2:03 AM

a couple of observations…

1) Chris was not comfortable at all!!

2) Chris lost this debate

3) The Tea Party guy should have mentioned the FACT that Herbert Hoover did not go down the cutting taxes route and cutting government spending. Hoover went down the road of increasing government spending with government project. Hmmm….anyone hear of Hooever Dam? duh, duh, duh!!! and that government spending got the USA deeper into a recession that led to a depression. It is a Liberal canard, a lie that Hoover cut government spending!!!! a huge lie that Liberals love to tell and too many Conservatives do not know how to answer it because teachers and professors don’t teach facts!

4) The Tea Party guy did well answering Chris’ silly FDR crap. However, I would have added, “Chris, Truman left with the worst approval rating in American history. People chose not to elect him again. Today historians consider him a great President. Plus Democrats like you hold him as a great President too.So, shall we believe voter reactions at the time or history, eh?” and as everyone agrees, it was WWII that pulled the USA out of the economic crisis. FDR’s policies worked for a few years, but by the time WWII began the country was slipping back into economic chaos.

The Tea party owned Chris!!!! Chris was very unconfortable. Love the Tea party’s guy comment about redneck comment. Poor Chris was clueless. and talk about making every effor to bait the Tea party guy.

I would have asked Chris if he agreed with the Liberals and Democrats who compared Bush to Hitler. Or those that claim Bush was not our legitimate President. Or those Liberals who used racial slurs against Dr. Rice.

The fake outrage from the left after 8 years of hateful attacks on Bush is pathetic.

Chris asks where were we when Bush was spending like crazy, I ask him, where was Chris when Liberals were using radical, racial slurs, hateful, virulant, disgraceful, unpatriotic attacks on Bush and his administration? Where were you Chris? why do you condemn attacks on Obama, but you were silent when Bush was attacked with much more hate and a lot worst than anything that has been said about Obama?

I can tell you Chris, when Bush was spending like crazy and growing government, I was screaming like hell, writing letters to the White House, demanding answers, writing letters to the RNC, writing letters to my Congressman and Senators and demanding that the out of control spending stop as well as the growth of government.

So, where were YOU Chris when the hateful, racist, untruthful attacks against Bush and his administration were being thrown by the left, hypocrite?

Cpt. Kirk on October 18, 2009 at 2:57 AM

This tea party guy did okay, but he should have explained the difference that Bush’s spending (even his signing of Democrat spending for the last two years) was Constitutional, (until the TARP, which is when all this major worry about the overextension of the federal government really started up) while the spending under the left has been so un-Constitutional as to boggle the mind. The left is not satisfied to spend gajillions of dollars, but they have to use that spending to grow the federal government into our daily lives and take over every power it can.

This is a feral government, now – a government reverted to wild as it broke with the domesticating constraints of the Constitution.

progressoverpeace on October 18, 2009 at 2:57 AM

and good point!

Chris was demonizing Bush for spending like a mad woman with her husband’s credit card….

then Chris praised Obama for spending like a mad woman with her husband’s credit card.

Seriously…obviously, BOTH ARE WRONG!!!! because both are exactly the same thing!!!

Leave it to a Liberal to complain and attack Republican spending and growth of government and then turn around and praise Democratic party spending and government growth.

I think their hypocrisy is lost on them. they are too hyper-partisan to realize this.

I have always said…

Clinton started us down the path of Socialism, Bush continued it and Obama has put it on steroids!

Cpt. Kirk on October 18, 2009 at 3:00 AM

Just for a laugh, imagine a show pitting Matthews against Beck.
Matthews stupid attacks meet Becks dripping sarcasm..LOL

Jeff from WI on October 18, 2009 at 5:48 AM

Every time the guy answers, Matthews has a blank stare on his face.. then pop up with another question.. As if his producer had to suddenly shout into his earpiece..

DaveC on October 18, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Anyone else remember the run-up to 2000 when then candidate Bush said we were on track to a recession, which largely denied and called fear-mongering by the Elites?
And the Federal Government’s “balanced budget” was based on a 10 year projection?
And George Bush’s response?
Anyone…?
…Bueller?

gstep58 on October 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Not 1%

Do you guys realize that not one of the hundreds of points raised here are covered by the media?

I used to feel bad that 1/10 of what I thought wasn’t being considered.

Of course the left has their tidy faked, forced intelligence reports for Iraq, predatory lending for the mortgage meltdown, the health insurance pirates and now those awfull halloween costumes that TARGET was going to sell.

Guess which will be discussed?

IlikedAUH2O on October 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM

“It doesn’t give me a thrill up my leg!” LOL!

The Texas man is brave; I don’t think I could have been grilled like he was and remained so calm. MSNBC is going into the “belly of the beast” Great job!

Mutnodjmet on October 18, 2009 at 1:30 PM

‘Let me be clear’; Phillip did a great job! I certainly offer him kudos for that (and I should have earlier).

michaelo on October 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM

I think the Chrissy’s pained face may be the result of him kneeling behind his desk when on camera recently. He surely can’t be sitting after getting his butt kicked so much as of late.

Hazzard on October 18, 2009 at 9:09 PM

“What would you do different from Obama?”

“I’d cut taxes significantly and reduce the size of the government.”

“Oh so you’d do nothing?”

Look how many times Mathews says that.

For a progressive leftist, the whole point of getting in charge of government is to DO THINGS with it.

Why, if you were in charge of the government and you cut taxes and reduce the governments size, you’re not DOING ANYTHING with it. So that = ‘nothing’.

Mr. Dennis could sit there all day and say “I’d cut taxes and reduce the government” and all Chrissy will hear is “I’d do nothing.”

manofaiki on October 19, 2009 at 6:45 AM

I just watched this, I know, very late in the game. I have to say, Mr. Dennis had it together, and that got Chrissy bothered. Like many of the other posters, I noticed how Chrissy focused on the “Do Nothing” theme and stuck with it, even though that’s way off from what Dennis said. Chrissy was too flustered by the logical thoughts to go off DNC talking points and it showed.

Torch on October 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM

There was absolutely nothing laissez faire about Hoover. In fact he tried some price controls and stimulus spending of his own. FDR did much the same as Obama in insisting that Hoover’s deficit spending wasn’t aggressive enough. Chris also makes the error in believing that the TEA party believes in not doing anything. There are some legitimate systemic problems with the economy that need to be addressed. The thing is that we could have have passed stimulus bills that addressed specific concerns instead of this 787 billion omnibus pork package.

Heftyjo on October 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I just watched this, I know, very late in the game. I have to say, Mr. Dennis had it together, and that got Chrissy bothered. Like many of the other posters, I noticed how Chrissy focused on the “Do Nothing” theme and stuck with it, even though that’s way off from what Dennis said. Chrissy was too flustered by the logical thoughts to go off DNC talking points and it showed.

Torch on October 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM

My thoughts exactly. Almost word for word.

Dennis (and most fiscal conservatives) never said that doing nothing would help the economy (although I contend “doing nothing” would be better than borrowing and wasting a trillion dollars). The action we propose is tax cuts, reduced spending, and smaller government.

Spittle boy might as well just have covered his ears and went, “la la la la la, I can’t hear you.”

UltimateBob on October 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM

There was absolutely nothing laissez faire about Hoover. In fact he tried some price controls and stimulus spending of his own. FDR did much the same as Obama in insisting that Hoover’s deficit spending wasn’t aggressive enough.

Heftyjo on October 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Not to mention smoot-hawley.

UltimateBob on October 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM

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