Hoffman vs. Scozzafava; Update: Whom to blame?
posted at 2:45 pm on October 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
The NY-23 special election has been off our radar screen but the boss is blogging up a storm about it, seeing it — as, increasingly, many prominent conservatives do — as a bellwether for the party’s approach to the midterms. The RNC, NRCC, and even Gingrich are all in for liberal Republican Scozzafava; Michelle, Fred Thompson, and the Club for Growth support the upstart fiscal conservative Doug Hoffman. The question: How big should the big tent be? Evidently, per the party leadership, pretty darned big:
Scozzafava is an abortion rights advocate who favors gay marriage.
It would be one thing if Scozzafava balanced that social liberalism with fiscal conservatism. But as a state assemblywoman, she voted for massive tax increases, Democratic budgets and a $180 million state bank bailout. She also supported the trillion-dollar federal stimulus package — which every House Republican voted against.More troubling, Scozzafava in past elections has embraced the ballot line of the Working Families Party — a socialist outfit whose political DNA is intertwined with scandal-ridden ACORN. ACORN and the WFP have shared office space in New York City, Arkansas and Illinois. ACORN head Bertha Lewis, a close Scozzafava friend and political supporter, wears a second hat as vice chairman of the WFP. The WFP has been listed in ACORN documents dating back to 2000 as an “affiliate.”…
Scozzafava’s husband is a leading upstate New York union organizer. She supports the federal “card-check” legislation that would massively boost union rolls — and Democratic voting rolls — at the expense of rank-and-file workers’ free choice. And for that matter, at the expense of Republican electoral prospects. Card check is the key to a Democratic majority in perpetuity. Big Labor bosses have said as much.
I’m mystified as to how Scozzafava came to be the party’s candidate. Republicans have held the seat with 60+ percent of the vote for more than a decade; they could have named any generic right-winger to succeed John McHugh as rep and he/she would have won in a waltz. Either Scozzafava must have pulled some strings within the state party or the national leadership decided to make this a grand “big tent” gesture by deliberately picking a liberal woman, but the predictable result is an insurgency by a more traditional conservative that’s picking up steam. In fact, Hoffman’s now peeled away enough support from Scozzafava that the Democrat’s in the lead — which I’d normally consider disastrous but, given her record, might not be the worst possible outcome.
If all this reminds you of the Liberman/Lamont showdown three years ago, it should. In fact, a la Special Ned, Hoffman’s taken his campaign to the blogosphere via a new guest-posting on the boss’s site:
With her numbers plummeting – and mine rising – and only three weeks left until the election in NY-23, Dede Scozzafava has decided she needs to change her stripes to get conservative votes…
I don’t think conservatives will be fooled. The more they learn about Dede Scozzafava, the worse she does in the polls. And the more they learn about my campaign, the better we do.
We can win this thing, but we’re up against limited time and an awful RNC and NRCC decision to support a liberal candidate…
If you want to join my fight, I need you. We need money and we need volunteers – boots on the ground. If you can help, go to my website and sign up. Then show up.
Here’s his donation page. Exit question one: Which imbecilic party boss or bosses are responsible for provoking this entirely needless fight? Exit question two: If they were dead set on a big-tent gesture, couldn’t they have found a social liberal who’s at least in favor of small government?
Update: If we’re going to dump on the GOP for its amazing incompetence, we might as well have a laugh.
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Update: Via Karl, an answer to exit question one.
The next month, the district’s 11 Republican county chairmen gathered at a pizzeria in Potsdam to pick a nominee. They were looking for someone with name recognition who could prevail in a shortened campaign when the economy was voters’ top concern. Ms. Scozzafava, a former small-town mayor who has served for a decade in the state legislature, seemed the right choice.
Ms. Scozzafava spent 20 years as a stockbroker. Her family has owned the same auto-parts store in Gouverneur, N.Y., for decades. In March 2008, upset at the sex scandals surrounding former Gov. Eliot Spitzer and his successor, David Paterson, Ms. Scozzafava sent a letter to her colleagues blasting an Albany social life “that is somewhere between ‘Girls & Boys Gone Wild’ and a sorority-fraternity style mixer.”
She appealed to the Republican chairmen. “We asked, is it possible to put in place a Republican candidate that uniformly stands for all the conservative values of the far right, but is unelectable?” says William Farber, the Hamilton County chairman. “I would much rather have a candidate like Dede Scozzafava that I don’t agree with 100% of the time, but always has been honest and forthright.”










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Ann, go read ANY book by Dr. Laura. It’ll fix your broken life.
She’ll also make you see the light on keeping your personal business PERSONAL.
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Thanks darlin’
A party with no morals, that’s a REAL winner there. If you want a party with no morals/values why are you pointing out immoral behavior as if it’s a bad thing. If you have no morals then anything goes, right Ann?
What part of murder do you not understand? It seems pretty simple to me and almost everyone else on this site: If you don’t want a kid you can= abstain from sex or take a pill daily & slap a rubber on it. TA DAAA!!
SoxNation on October 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
I’m sure he’s glad you decided he was human enough.
unclesmrgol on October 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Fiscal conservatism is another “moral issue”–
Precisely. And this is where conservatives are missing the boat. Reducing everything to the “fiscal” makes us sound like accountants. How is that inspiring? It’s about human freedom — a moral issue which cuts to the quick of our constitution. Debt imperils not only our “fiscal” health but our freedom, and the definition of what it means to be American.
rrpjr on October 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
I heard Camile Paglia just threw up upon reading this pathetic tripe. So, since reality is that men “destroy” women, we have to acknowledge this and perpetuate it? You know, there’s another option, stop pathetically playing the victim and stand up for yourself, which would be my suggestion to Palin. As opposed to your tied-to-the-railroad-tracks Help approach.
I’m going to got out on a limb and guess your version of “feminism” means women should have the right to abort babies and use contraception but, heaven forbid, the woman actually appear strong and independent.
And curse you for making me defend Palin. You’re still wrong all these months later about this issue.
LastRick on October 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Two times in NY now the Republicans have run professional politicians in congressional races and are likely to lose both times. The Democrats ran a liberal businessman in one and are running a lawyer in this one, but at least they are smart enough not to be running state senators and assemblymen.
If the Republicans think they are going to win in 2010 by getting professional politicians with “name recognition”, they are totally clueless.
Patrick Banks on October 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Oh yes, and I knew I was divorcing his father. It didn’t matter to me.
I put myself through college, with an infant, and I absolutely knew that I was nuts, but I wanted him. I actually chose to get off of birth control to have that kid.
Now, don’t ask me what I think today. *haha
He is, alas, a pain in the *uttinsky a lot of the time.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Scozzafava ’12, to appeal to moderates and independents!!! *sarc*
ddrintn on October 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM
AnninCA, the abortion debate is easy to resolve.
OhioCoastie on October 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Big Tent gesture? This was more like an Alternate Universe gesture. Can someone check the ventilation at RNC HQ? Someone may be burning acorns for heat over there.
MB4 on October 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Yes, I don’t agree with most current opinions on this issue.
I knew the minute McCain didn’t absolutely come out and explain the entire “clothes” issue that he was throwing Palin under the bus.
And his current apology tour on that issue?
Doesn’t change my mind.
The jerk.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Naturellement…
Terry_Dyne on October 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Sounds like the RNC and the NRCC have worked really hard to create the perfect lose-lose situation. If the Democrat wins, we lose. If Scozzafava wins, we lose, but that’s OK because we won.
Someone please show me were I’m wrong, but I would rather have a Democrat elected that will vote like a Democrat, than to have a Republican elected that will vote like a Democrat. At least that gives you something to run against the next time around.
This is exactly why people like Rush, Sean and Glenn talk about being Conservative rather than Republican (even though Rush and Sean are strongly opposed to a third party).
Anybody else getting an uneasy feeling about 2010? Is this indicative of the kind of candidates that will be supported by the RNC and the NRCC?
Ordinary American on October 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Contradictory statement. First admitting guilt over life mistakes, then stating you subscribe that guilt is a waste of time.
It is only a waste of time if you do not learn from it and deal with it. There are many, many, many women who experience rehabilitating guilt after abortion and can not move beyond it by ignoring it.
They need help for the unnecessary trauma they and others forced on themselves. Otherwise they risk becoming embittered old feminists who encourage others to “make their own decisions” for a life without responsibility through meaningless sex, disease and abortion. A pretty sad life.
ray on October 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Really, really, really hard to see any logic or rationality in the decision to run this RINO. And what in the world is Newt thinking?
Conservatives must recapture control of the Republican party; there is really nowhere else to go. The choice to run this RINO in a district that would be a “gimme” for a real conservative provides an opportunity to bloody some Republican leadership noses and send a message that they can’t count on conservative votes if they insist on running candidates indistinguishable from liberal Democrats.
Better to lose this seat to a Democrat and strike fear into the hearts of the Republican leadership than to win at the cost of sending this RINO to Congress. On the evidence it seems likely she would vote with the Democrats on key issues anyway. Sending this liberal darling of the Republican establishment down in defeat to finish third behind a Democratic and a real conservative just might be a message so blunt even the idiots running the Republican Party will start to “get it”.
The only chance for conservatives is to force the Republican party to return to conservative values and policies. It is also the only chance for Republicans. McCain lost in no small part because conservatives admired his military record and virtually nothing else about him except the decision to add Palin, a real conservative, to the ticket. Republicans lost Congress because they departed from conservative principles and became so corrupt and free-spending as to be virtually indistinguishable fro Democrats. Republicans need to consolidate support on the right with conservatives. Most independents lean conservative, and enough of them will respond to a principled conservative platform to make some headway.
novaculus on October 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Cool — switching parties before you’re even elected. That might be a first.
Terry_Dyne on October 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
It’s a good question. Another “ringer” would simply lead to 2 more years of debating.
I think we need a clear path. We should all be ready to abdicate some “pet” issues in favor of truly saving the country.
Those who aren’t? OK, but I’m not about to follow them.
They can remain single-issue voters or ideologues.
I like Palin’s articles on solutions so far. Pawlenty, Jindal, Romney…..very much weak political stuff that reminds me of Obama.
I want meat on the bones.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Even putting the social issues aside, the following is of great concern to me.
In my very humble opinion, this connection, along with her non-fiscal con voting, makes Scozzafava absolutely positively NOT acceptable as a candidate.
Kirin on October 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Moulitsas supports Scozzafava.
That is all we have to know.
Get Sarah out there for Hoffman FAST.
Sapwolf on October 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Make amends. Move on.
Read the story of the prodigal son, if you’re confused.
Guilt simply is a waste of time in life.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Nice liberal storyline.
ray on October 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I see Thacker is back waiting for another Pedophile rapist to defend.
mcassill on October 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM
No. Guilt is God’s way of saying you did something wrong and you shouldn’t do it again.
If we cease to feel guilt over something we’ve done wrong, we’re doomed to do it again — or to advise someone else to do what we’ve done wrong.
unclesmrgol on October 17, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Thanks you, great post. Guilt is GOOD. It means you believe you committed a SIN. That is a good sign that you were able to recognize your sin.
Then and only then are you ready for healing.
Sapwolf on October 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Good job, Ann, on making this a referendum on social conservativism (everyone’s favorite political monster).
Spirit of 1776 on October 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Action is all that counts. “Feelings” are truly vehicles to get you to action.
Feel guilt? Make amends. Change.
Otherwise, it really is just victim stuff.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
She could sure help. I wonder if Hoffman has asked her?
farright on October 17, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Dems: The Republican raised taxes!
GOP: Hey, whaddya gonna do, not spend?
Twilight Zone!!!
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM
:)
It needs to be addressed.
Otherwise, I’ll never find another fiscal conservative to vote for!
We need to move forward. Give up the religious right agenda. Boy, is that going to lose votes.
Give up morality stuff. Boy, if the last exposes about the “kings” of that movement doesn’t make your stomach turn with their mistresses, etc, frankly, you’re numb to real life.
Give all that crud up.
Go back to basics. Fiscal conservatism, and commonsense.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Again, a good Dr. Laura book could help Ann in all the right places.
If she’s strong enough to handle the truth.
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Did I hear that Hoffman is a member of the NRA?
He’s got my vote if thats so.
Jed1899 on October 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Give up Morality stuff. Amazing.
Funny, individuals feel differently when it comes to their own lives. If I am a theifing person and I work for somebody and steal from them (and they have a crappy attitude like Ann) all the sudden morality means the world to them.
THAT’s when they’ll cling to morality. When they have been chagrined.
Hypocrites!
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Why are you so opposed to public expressions of morality? Hmmmmm?
OhioCoastie on October 17, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Ann,
Would you just drink your Obama kool-aid and quietly go back into the Matrix and veggie out OK?
It is where you belong. Neo took the Red. You are deep deep BLUE and belong comfortably numb.
Sapwolf on October 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM
We can now count Boehner as a turncoat and a low-level cleric supporting the GOP Ayatollahs.
HondaV65 on October 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Sapwolf on October 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Thanks Wolf! You said it best. Me not gonna try no’more!
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM
And I see another anonymous troll more interested in slander than any substantive issue. I’m glad you capitalized pedophile because it shows your respect for them. . . well done – whoever you are. well done.
ThackerAgency on October 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM
By damn can we make you Omama’s Afghanistan Czar? Cuz there’s no ACTION there.
What about his deficit reduction Czar? Same thing.
Or his Close Gitmo Czar? He needs help.
Or his end DADT Czar?
How about – his ACTION CZAR? He hasn’t done anything.
HondaV65 on October 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Is Scozzafava really Specter in drag? Has anyone sen the two of them together?
MB4 on October 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM
how about that? your middle name is ‘ass’. how ironic.
ThackerAgency on October 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM
I don’t want the gov’t telling me I can’t have an abortion (which I personally wouldn’t do anyway) but by the same token I don’t want gov’t forcing me to have an abortion, or telling me how many children I can or cannot have, or forced vasecetomies/hysterectomies, etc.
Seems to me this is an issue that should be decided by the voters of each state.
But at the same time I know it is just wrong, something is wrong when society has no regard for life; if we don’t value life what is there worth valuing? If we don’t protect the helpless in the womb, if we tear them out in pieces then we are worse than barbaric savages, we are evil with no trace of humanity.
And don’t lay it all at the feet of the religious right, I have friends who are agnostic and atheist who truly feel abortion is just reprehensible to do to other human beings.
beachgirlusa on October 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Why won’t she say?
The NRCC is stupid enough to fund a Specter?
HondaV65 on October 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Ann, maybe someone else has already stated it, but abortion is murder, plain and simple.
chai on October 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Yeah, and a lot of Lib animal rights activists support abortion too.
If you can fight for animals, why not for human babies?
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM
I don’t even need to post, just consider me in sapwolf’s corner.
Ann, you are like a trainwreck. I just keep reading. Your posts today are all about moral ambiguity.
Go hoffman. This race is appalling. Republicans will no longer win running liberals and the writing on the wall HAS to start with this racce
ORconservative on October 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I gave $50 dollars to the Conservative Party guy because he’s running against a RINO candidate who’s backed by the GOP Ayatollahs in the NRCC (which now apparently, and sadly, includes Boehner).
Let’s make this guy’s campaign RICH the way we did with Joe Wilson!
HondaV65 on October 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM
With criteria like that they could comfortably endorse Barney Frank. How about finding a honest Conservative? If that’s too much can we at least get an honest Republican? Scozzafava is neither.
Rocks on October 17, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Ann, what do you think when you see pictures like this?
I’m very curious.
Emily M. on October 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM
AP, I understand your reasoning behind the “needless fight” statement, but I offer the exact opposite and say this is a needed fight.
Either the GOP moves Constitutional or it disappears.
True_King on October 17, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Too bad they can’t get support by encouraging people’s aspirations, instead of just calling in debts. We heard this about Specter too, that the Party promised him so that was that.
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Thacker, you don’t get it. The Roman Polanski matter is a test of character, and you failed it. Epically. As you were warned at the time, we have taken note of that, and haven’t forgotten. Expect to be reminded of that, frequently, as a reminder to you and others that some things aren’t forgotten or forgiven. If the victim was any relative of mine, you’d be in the same deep hole with Polanski…
mcassill on October 17, 2009 at 5:14 PM
I don’t intend to have the abortion discussion with you again, but you bring up another issue. You got pregnant knowing you were going to divorce your husband? Did you give him any choice in the matter, and once you got your child and got rid of him did you ever consider the pain you were exposing him to by being separated from his son? Did he pay child support for the child he may have not wanted to have shared with a woman who obviously cared so little about him, and he would have only limited rights to see?
DFCtomm on October 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Not to mention the evil of purposely bringing up a child without his father around. They used to be lovingly referred to as ‘bastards’, but I don’t think the kid is the bastard in this sorry story.
cjk on October 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I am glad that Newt endorsed Scozzafava. I hope every RINO comes out and exposes themselves for what they really are, and yes, Ann, we know what you are, too.
mobydutch on October 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I just gave Hoffman $20. Let’s put some of our money where our mouth is.
Buford Gooch on October 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Reading this thread and others like it, I am absolutely convinced the mainstream Republican Party just doesn’t get it anymore. They are poised to fail miserably and fade as a party for the conservatives. Newt is off his rocker!
That leaves hardcore conservatives in a jam. We can’t sit out the elections in 2010 and not help Republicans gain in Congress. We can’t sit out the elections in 2012 and help to keep Obama in the White House.
Yet, it hurts my heart to think Scozzafava and other liberal RINOs could possibly move forward and succeed in local and national politics. We can vote for Hoffman and others like him, but continuing to cling to a Republican Party “gone mad” seems like political suicide for the conservatives.
Is there any chance of a third party emerging anytime soon that mirrors the values and principles of true conservatism?
metroryder on October 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM
No, ass, you don’t seem to get it. I don’t give a flip about Polanski and don’t even know or care who he is. You seem intent on getting a free titillating sex trial so you can know all the horrifying details of a teenager being raped at the expense of the victim and through her tears.
But for some reason you have an issue with my ‘character’. Why would I care? I don’t. Your character is in question because of your insistence on talking about raping teenage girls over and over again.
This thread wasn’t about raping teenage girls, but you want to make it one because you want to talk about it. It must really turn you on.
So you want to define me based on something that doesn’t even pertain to me. I call that someone being JUDGMENTAL of someone you don’t even know. Not a high point on the character stage. And it’s pretty pathetic really. I hope you enjoy it.
At the same time, I could say that your inability to get passed it. . . not just get passed this, but get passed some passing comments on a message board about it (CONCERNING THE LEGAL ISSUES – YOU KNOW LIKE A LAWYER WOULD – you don’t think he should have representation do you otherwise they wouldn’t have very good character according to you). . . could impugn you for being Anti-Semitic. Really, you want the Jew to pay. That shows a lot of character.
Nothing that is done now will take away from Polanski raping a girl who doesn’t want to deal with it anymore. He’ll get 5 years in jail and you’ll get your made for TV time on the stand of a Jew getting his. I don’t see that as giving you any redeeming characteristics no matter how many times you want to talk about raping teen age girls.
Why don’t you just talk about raping teen age girls on every thread I post? That is the long and short of your contributions. If you want to talk about raping teen age girls so much, maybe you’d be better off starting your own blog. This particular post was about a congressional district in NY.
Off topic posts are a banable offense. Would you like me to bring this to the attention of the ‘powers that be’? We are supposed to be ‘family friendly’ here. My character makes me feel bad for posting ‘ass’ to describe you, but it is appropriate. Thank you for your concern of my character. I have more character than you could imagine. . . but I really don’t ever want to give you the pleasure of finding that out first hand with a personal meeting. So go ahead and flame away.
I hope you get your fix of 13 year old rape victims crying for your enjoyment. I really hope that you get what you want because in this case, what you want is the only important thing here.
You are worthless anyway and I can’t believe I wasted my time on you to now. Enjoy being ‘right’ because you know how much I love raping teenage girls. There’s a string of victims behind me just waiting to be found out. I just love raping 13 year old girls. I hope you quote that for the rest of your days. It must make you feel good somehow.
ThackerAgency on October 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM
I can’t even be surprised by the RNC or Newt anymore- they’re both jokes. What UP?
This is the mushy, inclusion garbage that will minimize our chances next year. We’re infested with RINO’s and worthless Bob Michel-types, when a conservative strategy would force people to choose a way forward.
The stupid party.
jjshaka on October 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM
these are the words from someone lecturing on ‘character’. I think your definition of ‘character’ and my definition of character are vastly different. Open your Bible and read a little bit about forgiveness #1. And I don’t care if you forget anything. I haven’t said anything that I regret.
But the fact that you think I should be convicted of raping a 13 year old just like Polanski shows a lot about you. Your family must be proud.
ThackerAgency on October 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM
It certainly looks bad, but maybe there are extenuating details, such as he was a POS that knew and just didn’t care about ever seeing or caring for his son. Why do people reveal personal details of their lives to strangers.
DFCtomm on October 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I’m a conservative wife, and the only thing I’m mad at is how the Democommunists are destroying our country with their lack of morality, high taxes, socialism, and fiscal insanity. Mad isn’t a strong enough word for that. I am not now, nor have I ever been a feminist. I like men. Well, at least conservative, alpha males who know how to kill their own food; not namby-pamby beta males. You know–the ones who drive hybrid cars, are vegetarian, like movies like “Sleepless in Seattle,” and talk like Harry Reid with that little whispery voice. They make my skin crawl. Ick.
Special K on October 17, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I donated earlier after reading the article at MM’s blog, so I’m covered. How about the rest of you guys? Quit your bitchin and pull out that wallet.
DFCtomm on October 17, 2009 at 5:54 PM
I remind people about the lessons learned during the TN race:
SAY NO TO FAKE REPUBLICANS.
Enoxo on October 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM
This is EXACTLY why I became an Independent.
HAnthonyWayne on October 17, 2009 at 6:05 PM
All the stories that AnninCa tell are made up… she is an obese lesbian who had many abortions of babies from men she had one night stands with when she was younger and “confused” about her identity…ignore her…
CCRWM on October 17, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Oh, I donated to Hoffman and if any of you even have an extra few to send to him it would go a long way to start the battle of gettig the GOP back to conservatism…we need to support conservative candidates like Hoffman Rubio, Toomey etc…especialy the conservative who runs against McCain…
CCRWM on October 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM
The calculus of “electability” has changed. But to be fair, these changes may have been too recent for the GOP machinery to take into account.
Remember, this is Noo Yawk formerly represented by Hillary Clinton, and a fairly blue district to boot AFAICR. If it’s purple, it’s a really blue shade of purple. The point here is to scare the crap out of the Blue Dogs by showing them losing. If they become convinced we’re gonna choose our candidates based on a Bible verse memorization contest, they’ll relax and vote for 0bama-dont-care and crap and trade.
I still think we can do a lot better than this water buffalo, though. Sheesh.
Sekhmet on October 17, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Done and done.
DFCtomm on October 17, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Waterloo for the RNC?
SouthernGent on October 17, 2009 at 6:19 PM
CONSERVATIVE HYPOCRITES!!
I’m a diehard Rightwinger, but I’m proudly supporting Scazzofava. She’s not half bad on taxes, not nearly as bad as Hoffman & Crew are making her out to be. But more importantly, Conservatives deserve to get whacked for what they did to Bob Smither and us Libertarians in 2006.
You remember. Tom DeLay resigned. Left the Houston GOP in a mess, without a candidate on the ballot. But there was a conservative/pro-life local crime fighting hero on the Ballot on the Libertarian Party line: Bob Smither of Friendswood.
We Libertarian Republicans begged and pleaded with the local GOPs run by social conservatives, and national conservative groups to PLEASE ENDORSE SMITHER!!
Instead they chose to run a ridiculous write-in candidate Shelly Sekula-Gibbs.
She was trounced by Democrat Nick Lampson. Fortunately Pete Olson, Republican, won the seat back in 2008.
But we Libertarians still remember the Conservative betrayal on Smither.
If the Conservatives are not willing to back one of our Libertarian candidates in a fluke election, than why in the hell should we come to the Conservatives aid, in one of their fluke elections?
Eric Dondero, Publisher
Libertarian Republican
Fmr. Senior Aide, US Congressman Ron Paul 1997-2003
ericdondero on October 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM
She’s not half bad on taxes? Really? Are you kidding?
ORconservative on October 17, 2009 at 6:24 PM
If you were seeking conservative aid, then why did you appeal to the GOP, by definition, an opposing party? You seem to grasp the difference between the two in one sentence, but not the next. This post, and most comments have been in support of a candidate who is not the chosen candidate of the RNCC, so it is possible to buck the party, but it requires communication, which apparently you didn’t have.
DFCtomm on October 17, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Imagine for a moment if once, just once, we can have the base choose and actually elect a candidate…It would scare the party elites to the depths of their newly soiled skivvies. For decades the party has been run by one group while another entirely does the work and actually provides the votes. This is fine when the elites remember their candidates have to reflect their party and base but a big problem when those elites believe the candidate works for them and is to represent them…and that the voters simply are too trivial to even pander to.
JIMV on October 17, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Amen to that.
beachgirlusa on October 17, 2009 at 6:32 PM
I’m still trying to grasp the Libertarian rant. So, let me get this straight, you will back whoever you don’t currently hold a grudge against.
I think i finally found the party for AnninCA.
ORconservative on October 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM
I cut them off when they refused to remain neutral in the Toomey/Specter fight. We saw how that stupidity worked out. What we need is a complete change out of republican leadership to folk who are…republican.
JIMV on October 17, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I never heard of Smither before, but I don’t see how a “diehard Rightwinger” calls a 2006 vote against a guy who opposed the Iraq war, the war on Drugs, and promotes a consumption tax, as a “betrayal”?
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 6:43 PM
JIMV
Once people start thinking beyond the next 2 years or the next 3 years, and start thinking about finding solutions over 12 years, then we might start getting some traction. And I think they’re going to have to start thinking that way.
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 6:47 PM
As individual activists, it is our right and responsibility to support the candidate of our choosing. However, when the local party puts up a candidate – FOR GOOD OR FOR ILL – it is the national Republican Party’s duty to support that Republican candidate.
If you don’t like the candidates that the local party are putting up – the get involved in the local party and CHANGE IT FROM WITHIN!
Flame away…..
LL
Lady Logician on October 17, 2009 at 6:49 PM
LL…in most states and with most of the party organization, the folk without money or connections, the riff raff who are actually stupid enough to march in the rain of snow for a candidate, have zip, zero nada power to do anything to really influence the elites who select the candidate. Simple fact. If we are lucky, those check writing elites are in touch with their base and the candidate is worthy of support. In places like Maine, the elites are closer to democrats than republicans and their base is withering away.
When was the last time you saw one of those country club folk out in the cold or rain supporting the candidate they selected? I cannot recall a time in Portland Maine.
JIMV on October 17, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Gingrich lost me when starting doing campaign ads with Nancy Pelosi.
He is dead to the entire conservative movement.
Norwegian on October 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM
Step awaaay from the crackpipe
mcassill on October 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM
You really are a complete moron, aren’t you? Following your logic, I have the right to kill my neighbor or molest children if it makes me feel better. I mean, how dare you trample on my individual right to be happy?
The whole pro-abortion debate, ESPECIALLY late-term abortion, is a sham, and should insult the intelligence of any rational human being. Murder doesn’t suddenly become celebrated and acceptable simply because of geography.
xblade on October 17, 2009 at 7:13 PM
What is funny is today I got a call from the group Newt Gingrich runs to collect money, I forget the name. I hung up as soon as I heard his voice because of this story. Next time they call I will wait for the operator and tell them to take me off their list. This man used to be my main pick for President, now I can’t even trust him for grassroots.
What really irritates me is I think I did give money to his organization several months ago, oh where oh where did that money go? I am afraid to find out.
Daemonocracy on October 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM
That’s right, we should abandon morality because 98% of GOP politicians don’t cheat on their wives, lol.
And when did foot-tapping become a crime? Oh, that’s right….when a Republican does it.
xblade on October 17, 2009 at 7:22 PM
this is the downfall of the RNC…will not give them a single dime again…..
*sigh*
cmsinaz on October 17, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I am…
lovingmyUSA on October 17, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Have you ever been accused of nudging the foot of another man in a men’s room?
Did you plead guilty?
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Stay on topic, please.
Allahpundit on October 17, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Thanks! My hand was getting tired from scrolling :o)
KickandSwimMom on October 17, 2009 at 8:14 PM
100% of the time? Scuzzyfava appears to be running to the LEFT of most Democrats. That would make her a “Moderate Republican”. Why the Hell don’t the people supporting her show some integrity and just support the Democrat? The idiot “Republicans” are the bunch that want to guarantee minority status for their party for another 40 years.
Imbeciles.
oldleprechaun on October 17, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Sorry … but no “diehard Rightwinger” supports a woman who backs card check or has peripheral ties to ACORN.
Sorry.
HondaV65 on October 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Do you all realize how difficult it was for us Libertarian Republicans in 2006 to get the stubborn Libertarian Party folks (very well-organized in Houston btw) to allow us to make an appeal to the Republican Party to get GOP backing for Smither? It was more difficult to get the LPers on board with the idea than the Republicans, but in the end they reluctantly agreed.
Then what happened?
The Republican Party, run by social conservatives in Ft. Bend and Harris Counties royally screwed us. They gave us indications that they would back Smither, and then at the last minute the Exec Comm. of Ft. Bend GOP pulled a fast one, and decided to recruit Shelly Sekula-Gibbs to run instead as a write-in. A completely cockamanie idea. How many voters are going to write someone’s name in on the ballot, particularly a “Hypehnated Lady” which she soon became known as in Houston politics.
Smither could’ve won that race. At one point he was polling ahead of Lampson in head-to-head matchups.
Now, what does this have to do with the current Scazzofava vs. Hoffman race?
Libertarians and Libertarian Republicans are feeling jilted by our Conservative friends. Here we had the perfect opportunity for Conservatives to one time show that Libetarians were valuable partners on the Right, and what did they do? They stabbed us in the back.
As a Republican, the Smither deal has made my efforts to get Libertarian Party members more supportive of the GOP and GOP candidates all the more difficult.
They’ve been burned once. They agreed to allow Smither to seek the GOP endorsment, and what happened? They GOP screwed ‘em.
ericdondero on October 17, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Ed Morrisey supported Smither
Just for the record, Co-Editor of this wonderful website Ed Morrisey was one of the very few national Conservatives to back Smither in 2006 over the idiotic Shelly Sekula-Gibbs strategy. Ed did so on his Blog Talk Radio show. We Libertarian Republicans were deeply grateful for Ed doing this.
Other “Republican Angels” who also backed Smither and bucked the Conservatives, included local Houston GOPer Rex Lamb, and well-known national Conservative GOPer Bobby Eberle.
But Erick Erickson and RedState sided with the Shelly Sekula-Gibbs forces against the Smither candidacy.
Funny, Erickson argued at the time that “all” third party efforts were destructive to the Republican Party, and “useless.”
And now look at him. He’s the one leading the charge for Hoffman, 3rd Party candidate for Congress.
ericdondero on October 17, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Perhaps Tom Delay’s district, right after he got railroaded, was neither the time nor place to run a pro-drug, anti-war Libertarian? If you wanna fight the Right for the rest of your lives because it “betrayed” you by honoring its own values, the very differences that make you register in another party, go right ahead.
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 9:43 PM
It depends on your state. In more states than you realize if you just got involved in your local party you will have the opportunity to have your say.
But if you don’t try, you will never know….
LL
Lady Logician on October 17, 2009 at 9:49 PM
We have tried, that’s how we know. CA, for instance, just had the state party totally cave on tax hikes.
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 9:56 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa Chris Balsz, hold on a minute there. I AM THE RIGHT!! I challenge you to find a more hardcore Rightwinger on the entire Right blogosphere. Ask anyone about me – the infamous “Dondero.”
It’s not “the Right” I am challenging it’s Conservatives on the Right.
The Right consists of two wings: Conservatives AND Libertarians.
Ironic, I’m the one being a loyal Republican here, and supporting the Republican nominee for this Congressional seat. You all are the ones bolting the Party.
And besides Scazzofava is not that much of a squishy moderate. She’s moderate to conservative. If she was a Liberal Republican, along the lines of Geraldo Rivera, Jim Jeffords, Lincoln Chaffee or Arlent Specter, than you all would have an argument. But she’s well within the John McCain/Lindsay Graham certainly Susan Collins/Charlie Crist wing of the GOP.
ericdondero on October 17, 2009 at 10:20 PM
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