Hoffman vs. Scozzafava; Update: Whom to blame?
posted at 2:45 pm on October 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
The NY-23 special election has been off our radar screen but the boss is blogging up a storm about it, seeing it — as, increasingly, many prominent conservatives do — as a bellwether for the party’s approach to the midterms. The RNC, NRCC, and even Gingrich are all in for liberal Republican Scozzafava; Michelle, Fred Thompson, and the Club for Growth support the upstart fiscal conservative Doug Hoffman. The question: How big should the big tent be? Evidently, per the party leadership, pretty darned big:
Scozzafava is an abortion rights advocate who favors gay marriage.
It would be one thing if Scozzafava balanced that social liberalism with fiscal conservatism. But as a state assemblywoman, she voted for massive tax increases, Democratic budgets and a $180 million state bank bailout. She also supported the trillion-dollar federal stimulus package — which every House Republican voted against.More troubling, Scozzafava in past elections has embraced the ballot line of the Working Families Party — a socialist outfit whose political DNA is intertwined with scandal-ridden ACORN. ACORN and the WFP have shared office space in New York City, Arkansas and Illinois. ACORN head Bertha Lewis, a close Scozzafava friend and political supporter, wears a second hat as vice chairman of the WFP. The WFP has been listed in ACORN documents dating back to 2000 as an “affiliate.”…
Scozzafava’s husband is a leading upstate New York union organizer. She supports the federal “card-check” legislation that would massively boost union rolls — and Democratic voting rolls — at the expense of rank-and-file workers’ free choice. And for that matter, at the expense of Republican electoral prospects. Card check is the key to a Democratic majority in perpetuity. Big Labor bosses have said as much.
I’m mystified as to how Scozzafava came to be the party’s candidate. Republicans have held the seat with 60+ percent of the vote for more than a decade; they could have named any generic right-winger to succeed John McHugh as rep and he/she would have won in a waltz. Either Scozzafava must have pulled some strings within the state party or the national leadership decided to make this a grand “big tent” gesture by deliberately picking a liberal woman, but the predictable result is an insurgency by a more traditional conservative that’s picking up steam. In fact, Hoffman’s now peeled away enough support from Scozzafava that the Democrat’s in the lead — which I’d normally consider disastrous but, given her record, might not be the worst possible outcome.
If all this reminds you of the Liberman/Lamont showdown three years ago, it should. In fact, a la Special Ned, Hoffman’s taken his campaign to the blogosphere via a new guest-posting on the boss’s site:
With her numbers plummeting – and mine rising – and only three weeks left until the election in NY-23, Dede Scozzafava has decided she needs to change her stripes to get conservative votes…
I don’t think conservatives will be fooled. The more they learn about Dede Scozzafava, the worse she does in the polls. And the more they learn about my campaign, the better we do.
We can win this thing, but we’re up against limited time and an awful RNC and NRCC decision to support a liberal candidate…
If you want to join my fight, I need you. We need money and we need volunteers – boots on the ground. If you can help, go to my website and sign up. Then show up.
Here’s his donation page. Exit question one: Which imbecilic party boss or bosses are responsible for provoking this entirely needless fight? Exit question two: If they were dead set on a big-tent gesture, couldn’t they have found a social liberal who’s at least in favor of small government?
Update: If we’re going to dump on the GOP for its amazing incompetence, we might as well have a laugh.
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Update: Via Karl, an answer to exit question one.
The next month, the district’s 11 Republican county chairmen gathered at a pizzeria in Potsdam to pick a nominee. They were looking for someone with name recognition who could prevail in a shortened campaign when the economy was voters’ top concern. Ms. Scozzafava, a former small-town mayor who has served for a decade in the state legislature, seemed the right choice.
Ms. Scozzafava spent 20 years as a stockbroker. Her family has owned the same auto-parts store in Gouverneur, N.Y., for decades. In March 2008, upset at the sex scandals surrounding former Gov. Eliot Spitzer and his successor, David Paterson, Ms. Scozzafava sent a letter to her colleagues blasting an Albany social life “that is somewhere between ‘Girls & Boys Gone Wild’ and a sorority-fraternity style mixer.”
She appealed to the Republican chairmen. “We asked, is it possible to put in place a Republican candidate that uniformly stands for all the conservative values of the far right, but is unelectable?” says William Farber, the Hamilton County chairman. “I would much rather have a candidate like Dede Scozzafava that I don’t agree with 100% of the time, but always has been honest and forthright.”










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It’s almost like the RNC wants to force a third party.
I am not donating a dime to the RNC. SarahPac and other worthy conservatives gets my money instead.
Norwegian on October 17, 2009 at 2:48 PM
As I posted in the Headline section:
Is it wise to split the votes between Scozzafava and Hoffman in a solid Republican district and most likely have the chance of the dems gaining another seat congress?
Look I’m all for real conservatives winning elections, but we can’t keep handing the elections to the dems on a silver platter. No doubt Scozzafava is going to get more votes than Hoffman because of the dreaded R by her name. Spliting the vote is just giving Pelosi more power and another seat.
I would vote for Scozzafava. Hate to lose that seat to a no name dem off the street. It would be very embarrassing.
BJ on October 17, 2009 at 2:48 PM
I saw this earlier and donated. It doesn’t take much people.
Theworldisnotenough on October 17, 2009 at 2:48 PM
If she wins, New York can have its very own Olympia Snowe. Just what the Republicans need!
ProfessorMiao on October 17, 2009 at 2:50 PM
What is with NY GOP? They blew the the special election to replace Gillibrand as well.
Mark1971 on October 17, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Steele has been so diappointing. His “What up dog Black Republican in the house!” schtick is pathetic.
Theworldisnotenough on October 17, 2009 at 2:50 PM
READ MADISON’s GREENROOM ARTICLE ON THIS!
As sassy Neicy Nash says, “Oooh, I’m going in…for HOFFMAN!!!
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 2:50 PM
That clip was actually pretty funny. +1 to Stewart.
MadisonConservative on October 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Glad you put this up Allah. I was stunned to read the background of Scozzafava. With this being a reliably republican district, the party could have put up a solid small-government, somewhat socially conservative candidate (this is N.Y. after all) and still walked away with a win. This is setting up to be a fist fight between the warring factions of the republican party. If Scozzafava wins, I am absolutely changing my party affiliation to independent. I will not be associated with a democrat-lite party.
KickandSwimMom on October 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Why is she even a Republican? She’s not even a RINO…
ninjapirate on October 17, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Party head, BJ? You’re doing it wrong.
Editor on October 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I’ve donated to Hoffman…..He’s running as true Conservative. Check his web site.
Crimefyter on October 17, 2009 at 2:55 PM
This is stupidity. If you are going to get a leftwing wingnut, then better a Dem than a “Republican”.
bill30097 on October 17, 2009 at 2:55 PM
I have heard rumors that Scozzafava could switch parties. I am a conservative first, and cannot support this candidate. What the hell is Gingrich thinking?
ICBM on October 17, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Idiots. We’re doomed if we walk into 2010 with this bunch of clowns running the show. And God help us if we are still stuck with these bone heads going into 2012.
AUINSC on October 17, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Unbelievable that Gingrich endorsed her.
texasconserv on October 17, 2009 at 2:57 PM
The GOP nominating Scozzafava is as stupid as Sean Hannity providing the difference for the RINO Chris Christie to barely beat a real Conservative i the GOP primary in the NJ primary this year for governor.
bill30097 on October 17, 2009 at 2:57 PM
The vaunted GOP leadership strikes again.
Terry_Dyne on October 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Yep – it’s the final straw. He’s dead to me.
Editor on October 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Can we all admit that Newt is a moronic machine politician now?
Lehosh on October 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM
With Republicans like this, who needs Democrats?
Jeff M (Formerly Jeff_McAwesome) on October 17, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Wait a second… apparently from the twitter feed she supports the 2nd amendment… but she refuses to comment on what her vote would be on ObamaCare…
FFS, she supports card check and has ACORN-WFP backing… give a break…
Dude, I support Crist over Rubio(I think he should take another job and go against Nelson), but this is ridiculous…
ninjapirate on October 17, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Can’t the GOP allow some breathing room on abortion?
Frankly, it’s just such a really worn-out issue.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Hell, even Medved has endorsed Hoffman. He’s broken his “third party vote” rule, which I believe is his most coveted rule of all.
Editor on October 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I want to play poker with the RNC guys who thought this up. I will supply the beer and nuts. You guys just bring cash for chips.
Mr. Joe on October 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Looks like “conservatives” have the possibility of winning BY STAYING AWAY FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
GarandFan on October 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/1/788504/-NY-23:-The-most-liberal-candidate-leads-(and-its-not-the-Dem)
Kos has endorsed Scozzafava.
Mark1971 on October 17, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Hell, even Medved has endorsed Hoffman. He’s broken his “third party vote” rule, which I believe is his most coveted rule of all.
Editor on October 17, 2009 at 3:03 PM
That’s shocking! Can you say why he decided to do that?
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Um, do the facts not speak for themselves?
Editor on October 17, 2009 at 3:06 PM
She is so weak you have to break ranks and vote principals. She is probably not going to win anyway and ironically the Democrat is much better in this race than her.
As for the whole third party thing, in general it is bad idea for conservatives. Third parties only work for the side that does not divide its vote. Now fourth parties? Then you are onto something. Get the moonbats to start their own Mezzaluna movement from the Democrats and then we can cleave off the GOP.
But in this race, you have to vote your principals.
Mr. Joe on October 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Yes, Editor. I take your point, LOL!
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM
This is where Sarah Palin needs to make an appearance for Hoffman. She would easily put him over the top. He’s running from the right and an appearance by her has no risks for him, only a huge upside potential. She’ll also help him raise huge amounts of cash.
DB9 on October 17, 2009 at 3:08 PM
NY politics is in an uproar, right?
I find that the punditry often hides the obvious issues on a state level. They are not good at putting stuff into perspective.
They are lazy and make every story into some kind of national story. That’s exactly what happened to Alaska, when Palin was selected to run. All of a sudden, their state was being misinterpreted in more ways than imaginable.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:09 PM
My sentiments exactly, screw the RNC RINO’s! I donate to conservatives and conservative PACs only, just donated to Hoffman.
farright on October 17, 2009 at 3:09 PM
DB9 on October 17, 2009 at 3:08 PM
I couldn’t agree more. Perfect opportunity for both of them.
Crimefyter on October 17, 2009 at 3:13 PM
THAT’S what you got from this discussion?
Wow, you’re a cartoon.
Lehosh on October 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM
She doesn’t stand for the values of any right… let alone the far right…
ninjapirate on October 17, 2009 at 3:15 PM
No.
Fallen Sparrow on October 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Who could possibly be surprised that the GOP supports hardcore liberals? That’s what they’ve done for years.
The Dean on October 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM
It’s much better to have liberal Scozzafava lose now so they can elect a conservative/moderate next election. To create a situation this bad there must be saboteurs in the RNC and NRCC who will do anything to keep the GOP from winning.
Steele is a geek/tool/clown. No wonder he couldn’t win his own elections. He is now doing the same for the entire GOP.
ray on October 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Dude, it’s not only about abortion… for you to only point that out just shows your obsession…
ninjapirate on October 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I meant dudette
ninjapirate on October 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Oh well, I do agree that this was an odd choice. Fiscal conservatives will absolutely be a shoo-in in most places.
I disagree with people on abortion. It’s just a dead horse. If that’s going to be the “cut,” then I think most GOP candidates will lose.
It’s time to move on regarding that issue. Let privacy rule.
It’s nobody’s business. It’s a medical decision, which should be left to the indvidual. You cannot claim to protect individual rights while still maintaining the right to dictate decisions.
Won’t wash.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM
You’re obsessed…
ninjapirate on October 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM
And we would rather have a candidate we agree with at least 70% than an honest liberal like Scozzafava with whom we agree with very little. Be prepared for the loss Farber, you own it.
ray on October 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Of course, I agree. I just was picking up on one point over the socially liberal stance on this.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
This is getting so old.
What is the point of having even a two party system, then. Lets just unite with the Democrat party and then we’ll have the biggest freakin mother of all big tent parties on the planet!
I am beginning to think the RINO’s are funded by the Dem party to screw things up. How come Dems could care less about having a big tent? Why?? Because they have RINO’s working for them on that over here!!
JellyToast on October 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Even if Dede wins as a Republican, her vote is good for nothing more than her promise to vote for Boehner for House Speaker and not Pelosi. I wouldn’t count on her vote for any substantive Republican policy; she would be worse than Olympia Snowe.
It boggles the mind why the national party thinks this way sometimes. I believe in a big-tent GOP–but this is way too far.
Revenant on October 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Don’t you think there is somewhere less extreme to go before you hit “pro-abortion rights?”
katiejane on October 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM
So, that’s how it works then? A couple of brainless, ‘good ole boy’ county party chairmen set around a pizza joint and pick the RINO because they just decide, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that a conservative can’t win?
AUINSC on October 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM
I do think the GOP tent is expanding to include people who aren’t into controlling personal values and decisions.
Fiscal conservativism is the glue.
Without that, I can’t see that there’s much connection.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:31 PM
More troubling, Scozzafava in past elections has embraced the ballot line of the Working Families Party — a socialist outfit whose political DNA is intertwined with scandal-ridden ACORN. ACORN and the WFP have shared office space in New York City, Arkansas and Illinois. ACORN head Bertha Lewis, a close Scozzafava friend and political supporter, wears a second hat as vice chairman of the WFP. The WFP has been listed in ACORN documents dating back to 2000 as an “affiliate.”…
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 3:31 PM
No such thing as “time to move on”.
Privacy doesn’t extend to killing people.
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Yes silly neo-cons just jump on the murder babies bandwagon already!! Cause it’s like, you know, such a silly fight…
THANKS Ann!
I pity you
SoxNation on October 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Well, then don’t complain about “death panels.” That’s the same thing, just on the flip side.
Either you exit out of medical decisions……or not.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Hmm. If I parsed this correctly, he never agreed with her, but he supports her because she’s always been honest and forthright?
Well, that just about sums up Jimmy Carter, doesn’t it?
OK, if it’s so private, why are they reaching into my pockets to fund it? Why are they requiring Catholic Colleges to offer abortion plans when they don’t want to? Why are they requiring the national health plan to fund what you think is a private decision? Why did they quash a bill making the mother’s choice that her child is a child result in a tax break 9 months early?
The Freedom to Get An Abortion is way more solid than Freedom of the Press — with Freedom of the Press, they don’t buy you a press when you ask for it…
This topic became non-private many moons ago. Mr. Hoffman gets my $25.
unclesmrgol on October 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
SoxNation on October 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Oh snap Sox! You hit that outta the Park!
Thanks!
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM
It’s funny how you use the term ‘breathing room’ in support of abortion. Abortion is about killing babies. I’m all for any sort of contraception to prevent a pregnancy. But once someone is pregnant, you are looking at a new taxpayer unless something horrible happens.
Why doesn’t the government want new taxpayers? Most of the aborted babies are minorities. If abortion wasn’t legal, the minorities would have more clout in the electorate.
I am appalled that we allow abortion at all in a civilized society. Abortion is a barbaric concept. . . we don’t want it, kill it. breathing room?
ThackerAgency on October 17, 2009 at 3:36 PM
The real measure of Doug Hoffman as a politician is whether he can get this guy’s hat handed to him.
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM
I really would love to vote for fiscal conservatives, but I’m not about to walk into any small tent that will push this issue.
I think that’s the key to rebuilding the GOP. Focus on TRULY getting out of corporatism, back small business, reseed Americans with ideas and drive, and get out of morality issues.
Otherwise, it’ll be just another typical election. People are tired of the entire morality meme. There have been way too many exposes about GOP politicians who were high on their horse and then, turned out to be, typical politicians, with mistresses on the side, using tax-payer money to fly to see them, tapping their feet under bathroom doors.
Give up that theme. It’s a loser.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Why yes, more liberals on the Armed Services committee is just what we need.
Terry_Dyne on October 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
So basically, this woman was picked because 11 chairmen were high on pizza and probably alcohol one night and didn’t want to find a conservative?
Speedwagon82 on October 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I really only have one answer. I never get to dictate how my taxes are spent. Why should you?
LOL*
I laugh, but I’m serious. I hated Viet Nam. I lost many real friends there, and I hated every single minute of that war.
I never got to say, “Not one penny!”
We sometimes have to just move on.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
How many non-sequiturs can *you* spot?
Purple Fury on October 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
You might want to read ALL of the article.
Right now we need fiscal conservatives to help stem the deficit monstrosity and out of control spending that is bankrupting our children and grandchildren’s futures.
Scozzafava is NOT even CLOSE to being a fiscal conservative and her incestuous ties to ACORN are NOT acceptable.
Hoffman just got a $100 donation from me.
Kirin on October 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Is murder moral? I mean it is in the Bible so it could be considered a religious concept. Abortion is wrong not because of religion, abortion is wrong because it is murder.
Until you can argue that we need to get rid of the murder outlaw for ‘morality’, you can’t argue that abortion is merely a ‘moral’ issue.
Abortion is barbaric, and society should be ashamed for approving it. . . and even supporting it. It is a horrible thing to ‘legalize’ killing babies.
Bottom line, Abortion is about killing babies. Whether or not you think it is right to kill that baby determines whether or not you think abortion is just great.
ThackerAgency on October 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM
You write like someone carrying around a lot of guilt on a particular subject. Forums are not a place to find absolution or counseling. Perhaps you should look elsewhere.
ray on October 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM
WHOAH THERE NELLY.
Now your argument is about whether or not TAX DOLLARS should be used to kill babies.
My argument is that the barbaric practice of killing babies is as wrong as any other murder. TAX DOLLARS for murdering babies is another issue altogether.
ThackerAgency on October 17, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I simply want to support fiscal conservatives. If they are derailed by all the social agendas of various far-right?
I know I’ll probably rethink. Voting always comes down to weighing pros and cons.
I do NOT want a repeat of the 80′s.
Just MY 2 cents. I’m just not that into religious right issues.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Then why bring it up? Two dozen responses to this article and the first person to bring it up: you. Hey, guys, can we stop talking about the Magna Carta? I mean, seriously, time to move on.
LastRick on October 17, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Apparently Steele and Gingrich have but it remains an issue to those of us who support the right to life plank in the republican party.
fourdeucer on October 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Thank you Dr. Phil. :)
No, just an old feminist here.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
if the dem wins, a big if, they can be defeated in 2010. As for the GOP leadership, after 9 months of passionate grassroots activism has shown a thirst of leadership, its a level of tone deafness based on living other peoples work for too long.
rob verdi on October 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
It’s murder, Ann. It’s a modern-day Holocaust. So, no, we can’t.
Special K on October 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
It shows how much contempt people in DC have for America. America would be a lot better off without DC.
ThackerAgency on October 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
I agree with Steele and Gingrich. I think that Gingrich is actually extremely bright and astute. Steele is too, but it’s harder to see, given he’s a goof in execution.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Can’t the Left allow some breathing room for the fetus?
Geochelone on October 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Yep, Markos nails it here: support the “Republican”, she actually represents the liberals’ best chance of getting their agenda passed. Which is why I didn’t agree with him on this:
If there was anything remotely moderate about her, Markos wouldn’t be supporting her.
LastRick on October 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Most old feminists have a lot of guilt, so it’s close to target. Acknowledgment is the first step.
ray on October 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM
That’s OK, K. I think everyone gets to have personal values and draw the line in the dirt.
But not about taxes, unfortunately.
That, we ante up, because we are part of a country. That is not within our control.
We do get to vote. If that’s your “deal-breaker,” then it’s how you’ll vote.
It has ceased to be a dealbreaker to me, anyway, unless, as I say, it gets to where this is a repeat of the religious right values era.
I’ll bow out, in that case.
I am very much in favor of anyone’s personal spirituality. I do not support turning personal morality into political memes.
No thanks.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:49 PM
If you’re that old you should know by now that the equally ancient feminists sold you a bill of goods!
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
bu11sh1t it is a states rights issue, not a federal concern.
Onager on October 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Ann, those two sentences together might just be the most selfish, heartless, uncaring thought I’ve ever seen expressed on this site.
Jeff from WI on October 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM
When Scozzafava loses, it will make a strong point that we will not vote for socialists.
ray on October 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM
So don’t. Vote for Hoffman.
rrpjr on October 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM
I do.
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Hey, McFly. Scozza-whatever is backed by ACORN. Can we agree that should make her a nonstarter as a candidate. There’s no way I’m giving that issue away.
BuckeyeSam on October 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
B.S.
Because your first reaction when Palin was insulted by Dave Letterman was to say (and I paraphrase) that she needed male colleagues to come to her defense because only from males would the defense be “valid”. Well, look I found it here:
How is that “feminism”? The sexism against women is so “deep” that only men can save women? You know what I think is deep…?
LastRick on October 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Aw, ray…I have guilt about SO much in life. But not that. I feel guilty over trying to have a career, commute, and still raise a kid. That’s my type of contemporary issue.
Boy, did I fail.
I feel guilty over divorcing when I was angry. Boy, looking back, I sure could have calmed down. Nope, I was just plain too mad.
I feel guilty over not getting up to speed fast enough to help my mother, who suffered from a disease that many people think is a moral deal. I was way too mad, didn’t get it, didn’t help her enough.
I have TONS of guilt. But not over what you’re thinking.
I subscribe to the philosophy that guilt is a waste of time. I think it’s much more sensible to simply change, move into different behavior, and let it go.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Ann, don’t you have a bloody therapist?
You bleed your dysfunction all over the place. We don’t really care. You’re embarrassing.
Or we care just as much as you do about unborn, innocent babies! NOT AT ALL.
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM
When you voted, did you vote for politicians who wanted to stay in Vietnam, or leave it?
Given that abortion is the slavery of our times (what other industries let the humanity of a person depend upon another person’s choice?), why should we ignore it?
unclesmrgol on October 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM
No male has helped Palin. McCain’s statement today are too late and a dollar short.
He let the blame pile up.
Men can destroy women, and often do, through just such tactics.
Feminism isn’t about not acknowledging the reality.
That’s why I personally like some of the newcomers on the scene within the conservatives.
Only the really old-style gals aren’t yet acknowledging this.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM
I feel guilty over divorcing when I was angry. Boy, looking back, I sure could have calmed down. Nope, I was just plain too mad.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
How’s that feminism working for ya? It made you angry. Didn’t work so well for you.
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM
Fiscal conservatism is another “moral issue”–the idea government can’t just help itself to people’s wages.
Chris_Balsz on October 17, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Well, here’s how I view it. You’re talking about a group of cells.
I think it’s rather dysfunctional to be so invested in this.
It reminds me of some horrid tale from a different era, where priests scared people silly about the afterlife.
I fail to see why you think that’s “functional.”
But I do respect your own right to “never have an abortion.”
That’s OK.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I’d agree, except I meet “conservative” wives, too.
Trust me. They are way mad. :)
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Appreciate that. I do respect your right to never have one too.
unclesmrgol on October 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Leave. That was a true deal-breaker for me at that age.
If abortion is a deal-breaker for you, I get that.
It just isn’t for me.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I have to admit that the Stewart gag re the Microsoft paperclip was funny.
The stupidity of the Republicans not running a conservative candidate in a conservative district was beyond incredible. Are they not getting the message that the public is fed up with fiscal suicide?
onlineanalyst on October 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Oh way…..way….way…..over that stage.
I’ve raised my son.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM
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