Rasmussen: Huckabee 29, Romney 24, Palin 18
posted at 4:29 pm on October 16, 2009 by Allahpundit
In July it was Romney 25, Palin 24, Huck 22.
Then again, Rudy Giuliani once pulled something like 45 percent before last year’s primaries. Perspective.
These numbers reflect an improvement for Huckabee since July when the three candidates were virtually even. Huckabee’s gain appears to be Palin’s loss as Romney’s support has barely changed.
The numbers for Huckabee and Romney look even stronger when GOP voters were asked which candidate they would least like to see get the nomination. Pawlenty came on top in that category with 28%. Palin was second at 21% while 20% named Gingrich. Romney and Huckabee were in the single digits with 9% and 8% respectively…
Romney leads all prospects among voters who attend church once a month or less. Huckabee leads among more frequent churchgoers. Huckabee holds a huge lead among Evangelical Christians with Palin in second and Romney a distant third.
The person Republicans would least like to see win the nomination is … Tim Pawlenty? I thought the rap on T-Paw, at least for the moment, is that he didn’t inspire strong feelings one way or another. As for Sarahcuda, on the same day that he took the July poll, Rasmussen ran another one asking if her decision to resign would help or hurt her presidential ambitions. The split was 24/40 — and yet she was still ahead of Huckabee at the time. If it’s not her resignation that’s hurting her now, as I speculated this morning, what is? Too much Levi Johnston freak show collateral damage, maybe? I don’t think most people even know who he is.
Not to worry, says Matt Latimer. Authenticity shall triumph in the end:
Palin isn’t going away (at least not yet) because in her own way she represents what Barack Obama represented for many Democrats: someone who stands apart from the corrupt and cynical Washington system that has let true believers down. Republicans remember that Palin stood up against the crooked Republican establishment in Alaska—while out-of touch GOP senators in Washington actually applauded Alaska’s crony-in-chief, Ted “Bridge to Nowhere” Stevens, after he was booted out of office amid scandal. (The charges against Stevens were eventually dropped.)
The rank-and-file are tired of the bland phonies running the GOP. They are tired of Republican compromises that bloated spending and expanded the federal government. And they feel helpless against a team of buddies running each campaign more cynically than the last. GOP voters just might be ready to burn their village down in order to save it. You can almost hear the line now. What’s the difference between a hockey mom and Robespierre? Lipstick.
If the grand pooh-bahs of the GOP think they can find someone to push her aside, their pickings seem drearily slim. Version 2.0 of the governor affectionately known in some circles as “Mitt Rom-bot” is currently under construction. It will probably function just as lamely as the last. Poor Governor Romney. Every move the Mittster makes looks like it has first been diagrammed in a PowerPoint presentation. When commentators noted that even his hair looked too perfect, his aides mussed it up. It ended up looking perfectly disheveled. We’ve had enough inauthenticity for a while.
We’ve had enough ideological inauthenticity, but using the degree of dishevelment of Mitt Romney’s hair to measure that isn’t really a game I want to play. Palin and Huckabee might be the most personally authentic, salt-of-the-earth candidates of the bunch, but does that necessarily mean they’re less likely to get rolled by Democrats if elected? Because that’s all I care about. If Mitt can get jobs growing again between trips to the country club, good enough. Personal authenticity can be useful as a proxy for ideological authenticity, but ultimately it’s only the latter that’s important. Sometimes it feels like that’s a minority position these days.
Let’s poll this one. I’m curious to see, just for a goof, how La Liz does in the mix.
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Since the last election Huckabee & Romney have constantly been in the public eye.The Huckster with his show on fox and both being on Hannity’s show ever other week.The only time i can remember Palin being on national T.V.is when she stepped down from gov.It,s way to early to talk about a front runner just remember 2 years before the 2008 election Clinton was a shoe in and nobody gave Obama the time of day.In politics 6 months is a life time 2+ years is a eternity.
thmcbb on October 17, 2009 at 9:55 AM
AP’s favorite polls – Huck’s surge.
Hot Air’s Poll: PALIN’S SURGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Palin, who has not been seen on TV since July???????
We know it.
She is what she says she is.
Pro-life? She didn’t abort her child. She didn’t force Bristol to go to abortion.
Whatever Palin’s error in Bristol … it was already washed and filled by LOVE. The fruit???? A HEALTHY AMERICAN BOY NAMED TRIPP.
TheAlamos on October 17, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Enough with the Huckabee stuff.
drjohn on October 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Contrast. Before the election I was all about personal liberties (legalizing marijuana). But now, however, I’m more about freer markets. I’ve always been about freer markets, but more so now.
Libertarian Joseph on October 17, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Alright, if you’re so morally bankrupt you can’t comprehend this, let me try spelling it out for you.
a) Ethics laws prevented Huckabee from receiving gifts valued at over $100 dollars.
b) Rather than comply with the ethics laws and wait until he was out of office, or accept the tangible good wishes of his friends in lesser dollar amounts, the Huckster, married some 30 years, registered for wedding gifts to take advantage of a loophole in the law.
Now, you’ve set up some cute straw men (and in time for Halloween too, thanks eversomuch…) so you can knock them down, but the fact remains that your “Godly” candidate played fast and loose with the ethics laws (again! FIVE ethics violations!!) so he could receive gifts he was not legally entitled to receive.
Laura on October 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM
A sampling of 750? What a joke.
Firebird on October 17, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Just took the poll and it shows Palin winning 60% of the votes.
It must really suck to be a RINO here……LMAO.
David in ATL on October 17, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Too early in the game to put much faith in polls. Huck-a-by is enjoying a surge right now as a result of a lot of face time on tv with his show on Fox. When it gets down to talking positions and the ebb and flow of a campaign things will look a lot different.
Hot Air’s poll is interesting though. These are folks that stay on top of the political discussion and are engaged all the time, not just during an election year like most of the electorate.
Hmmmmm, bad day AP?
conservnut on October 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM
@2Brave2Bscared, exactly! Huckabee is the typical clueless mushy conservative. He doesn’t understand islam and doesn’t understand socialism either.
modifiedcontent on October 17, 2009 at 10:15 AM
60 % for Sarah Palin. Imagine that. Gosh. If this were to happen nationally…Hmmmmm.
kingsjester on October 17, 2009 at 10:17 AM
The Huckster is not on my die hard hubby’s must see TV anymore. Hubby says that he has gotten completely off track and as irrelevant as the other RNC presidential candidates. (OK, so he can play a guitar and interview other celebrities, with the exception of playing an instrument?, so could Obamamunism. I’m shocked because I never paid Huckabee any attention to begin with, but my husband was sold on him. I voted for him in the primaries simply because he was the only GOP candidate I didn’t despise. And, Excuse me, but I think all those blue state Republicans need to stay where they are at and try to change their interstate neighbors hearts and minds before they try to represent the rest of us. I’ve had it with all those LIBERAL Conservatives and the buddy system they play with all the RINOS…that hasn’t advanced the cause for working Americans and I have no reason to believe even if we just keep doing the same thing over and over that we will ever get different results. We wouldn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but we want our freaking country back!!! No Romney or Huckabee! For the millionth time,,,they couldn’t even beat McCain!!! What part of that do people not understand?? Sarah Palin had to be a very exceptional candidate to drag McCain close enough to the presidency that it wasn’t a total landslide/embarrassment. That in itself, was a gigantic accomplishment! Yi Yi Yi!!
DanaSmiles on October 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM
If the party keeps encouraging Huckabee many will leave. I hate communism but the theocracy Huckabee would bring would be the end of the US. People better wake up a do better than this or Obama will be re-eleted. Heck I’d probably vote Obama over Huckabee even knowing full well what Obama brings. Huckabee is worse.
Most of us know Mitt can’t get anywhere with the prejudice that Huckabee perpetuates and represents so Sarah wins by default. Just like John McCain.
Huckabee truly is the end of America forever.
petunia on October 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM
I personally think the Huckster is congenitively unqualified. Whatever your theistic position, his declaritive that the “constitution be more aligned with the bible” is disturbing enough that he ought not even be remotely considered. That sentiment is in direct contradiction to the motivations that created our constitution.
Cheney, Palin & Patraeous singularily, or in any combination are light-years and away far better options to lead our nation.
Archimedes on October 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM
A Palin, Cheney ticket makes my legs tingle.
David in ATL on October 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Huck’s dimples are simply adorable. And his recipe for popcorn squirrel is pure genius.
Geochelone on October 17, 2009 at 10:34 AM
You are nuts.
darwin on October 17, 2009 at 10:38 AM
So its better to render support for a false Messiah who wants to subvert the Constitution and personal freedoms than for a man who supports the real Messiah and that America should revert bsck to its Judeo-Christian roots.
technopeasant on October 17, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Palin? Cripes…we’re gonna get killed in 2012 if she doesn’t figure out how to appeal to anyone other than the rabid Palinites.
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Besides all that, Huck is a religious bigot.
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM
It appears at least 75% of the HotAir community agrees.
Norwegian on October 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM
There has been a lot of interest in the Gallup and Rasmussen polls out today which appear to show support for Governor Palin slipping. I have va few thoughts…
I don’t think these polls are that bad because they don’t mean anything. Her numbers are lower simply because Huck has a TV show and the “plastic fantastic” Mitt, like Chuck Schumer, never misses a chance to be in front of a camera. Gov. Palin, on the other hand, has been out of the spotlight now for quite a while. As soon as she begins touring for her book, these numbers will quickly turn around. Huckster is a joke. If anyone thinks he will ever win anything, I have some swampland in Florida for you. It will come down to Gov. Palin and Mittens. Mittens will be from the well-financed RINO wing and Palin from the grass roots. If Mittens wins, the GOP will splinter into two groups and the Democrat Party will be donimant for a generation.
As to the polls, remember Gallup uses “adults” which makes it suspect. I don’t personally believe Gallup is trying to cook the books, I just think that the further you get from likely voters, the less accurate any survey is. It’s cheaper and easier for Gallup to use adults. Once we get closer to an actual election when these polls actually mean something, they will use either registered or, better yet, likely voters. Gallup also has a track record of characterized by significant volatility.
Regarding Rasmussen, he uses likely voters and is, in my opinion, the best pollster out there. But again, this far from an election, hypothetical polls surveying people who aren’t even officially running are pointless. I just looked up a few of Rasmussen’s polls on who the 2008 Republican nominee would be.
From November 2005: (close to where we are now in terms of 2012)
Rudy (26%), Condi Rice(24%), McCain (21%), Newt (7%), Bill Frist (5%)
From November 2006:
Rudy(24%), Condi Rice (18%), McCain (17%), Mitt (9%)
From March 2007
Rudy (37%), McCain (16%), Romney (10%)
Note: McCain, the eventual winner, was 21% down to Rudy as late the spring of 2007. Huck, who basically came in second, isn’t even polled. Rudy lead the whole way and flamed out in spectacular fashion at the last minute. Rice didn’t even run. My point: nothing significant can be ascertained from these polls this far away from an election.
DB9 on October 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM
The economy is the most pressing issue. Romney is the money man and has gubernatorial experience. Being a Mormon, religion will not be something he pushes, whereas Huckabee and Palin have too much religion around their necks.(They’ll beat Palin to death with the witchdoctor video). Romney really is the best to beat the One if you’re going Republican…
The Sarah Palin thing reminds me of Obama’s campaign. More emotional than logical. She’s the Obama of the Right….She has her fair share of Zombies too….
adamsmith on October 17, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Mittens is the John Kerry of the right.
DB9 on October 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Sorry, but if Mr. “open borders” and I’m for protecting illegals Huckabee is the next Republican candidate, you’d better get use to calling Obama, Mr. President. With all these early speculation polls it appears the MSM is trying, again, to select our next candidate.
Hobbes on October 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM
*Rolls eyes*
Mike Huckabee is as much a religious bigot as Rush Limbaugh is a racist.
Oh yeah, there was that little incident about him saying that Mormonism taught that Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers. Of course, he was right about that. And of course he backed off of the comment about as soon as he said it because it offended people.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I’d almost wager money that in 3 years time neither of the three will be serious contenders.
Yakko77 on October 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Huck’s problem is not his religion. It’s that he is a big governrmnet liberal on fiscal policies. He’s a pro-life Democrat who calls himself a Republican.
DB9 on October 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Giuliani should have been president, but the primary schedule was stacked against him and his organization failed to come up with an effective strategy around it.
The “conservative base” has hijacked the Republican party, making it impossible for an urban classic liberal/pro-capitalist candidate to win the nomination.
modifiedcontent on October 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM
I enjoy watching APs constant efforts to prop up Huckabee. Ironically he does so to spite those of us who support Palin and Beck because he considers them to be “bible thumpers” who offend his atheist sensibilities. He must not have gotten the memo that Huckabee is 10 times the bible thumper that Palin is, and probably much less tolerant of atheism.
Kataklysmic on October 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Here’s his comment when asked about Mitt Romney’s religion:
That was an indirect attack on Romney’s faith. You may disagree, but that’s how I perceived it. I think he’s a skunk.
vermillionsky on October 17, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Huckabee is George W Bush with a better mouth. More ‘compassionate conservatism’. We don’t need another one of those.
A Huckabee candidacy would be the last straw for real conservatives to bolt the GOP and leave it to the Bible-thumpers.
JEM on October 17, 2009 at 11:22 AM
modifiedcontent on October 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM
THE CONSERVATIVE BASE HAS HIJACKED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
That is laughable because since Reagan every Republican candidate Bush Sr. Dole, Bush Jr and McCain have been moderates; if it had hijacked the party you would have thought they would have been smart enough to put one of their own in the top slot once in the last 20 years.
technopeasant on October 17, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Yes, God forbid Republicans/conservative vote with anything other than their wallet in mind.
Would Rudy have been better than Obama? I don’t see how anyone couldn’t be but there is no way I’m voting for someone who supports abortion on demand (please note I am not an abortion absolutist, I’m merely against it as a means of birth control) and stands against our Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms… among other discrepancies I’m sure.
Why should the “conservative base” sacrifice their principles and morals to elect a worthy candidate?
Yakko77 on October 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Wow. With “evidence” like this, it’s a wonder I didn’t see his flaming bigotry before! Come to think of it, isn’t Rush Limbaugh a racist?
Seriously. Give me a break. Asking a rhetorical question now is an “attack” based on bigotry? And never mind the fact that Mormonism does indeed teach that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers.
Of all the things to criticize Huckabee about (and there are a boat load) this is NOT one of them.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM
But the gifts were under $100. AND they were from friends of his wife based on a \”bona fide personal, professional or business relationship.\” Which is legal. AND Huckabee had nothing to do with the registry. It seems to really bother you it was a \’wedding\’ registry. Maybe you don\’t comprehend that anybody might use that type of registry for anything other than a wedding. Here\’s the deal: In all of these complaints and attacks, not one has resulted in it being found that Huckabee did something illegal. He has seen nine ethics complaints rejected. You don\’t hear the resolve which made the back page. You hear the accusations, which make the front page.
ceruleanblue on October 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Huckabee’s “Christian radicalism” is grossly exaggerated. One off-hand reference to Mormon theology aside, the man is as politically correct as they come for liberal Republicans such as himself.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Glad to see that Liz Cheney has a two point lead of the greased up hair slicky. : ).
I can actually see Liz Cheney as President of The United States!. The second coming of Margy Thatcher.
hawkman on October 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM
If you look at Reagan’s record, really look at it, you will see that he was not as conservative as the fanboys claim. Certainly, not as conservative as the keyboard conservatives of today. For example, Reagan raised taxes more than once.
Reagan won twice, that’s what it’s all about. Many people just plain liked the guy, too.
Moesart on October 17, 2009 at 11:40 AM
So basically your feeling is that the Hotair web poll is probably more legitimate and accurate that the one published by Rasmussen? Interesting take.
ceruleanblue on October 17, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I would agree with this. But yes, Reagan was very likable.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Everyone who knows anything about Evangelicals knew exactly what the huckster was doing. If you don’t 2brave, that’s your problem. As far as I’m concerned, if we’re all God’s children, and satan was kicked out of Heaven, where did he come from, is there another source that we don’t know about? While the huck was governor he spent money to come to Utah to rail against the Mormons.
As far as seeing Romney everywhere, I’ve only seen him a couple of times and wondered where he was. He is so far above the rest as far as his business experience etc., he would’ve brought smart, intelligent, experienced men and women into the oval office, instead of these “professors” who have never run anything, or these marxists who want to completely change our way of life and bring us down to 3rd world status a la georgie soros.
Bambi on October 17, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Just like how Reagan couldn’t even beat Ford, right? Yeah, he was such a loser. Oh, and I guess you’re right about Palin…she’s almost as exceptional as John Edwards was in 2004.
ceruleanblue on October 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM
I’m not a small-government absolutist, Ron Paul is 50% right on the money and 50% bat-guano-scary.
I really don’t want to know, or care, where (or even if) a candidate attends church.
I want to hear a lot more about a robust foreign policy and a limited domestic role for the federal government than I want to hear about abortion.
I want to hear absolute opposition to global climate governance and containment of the EPA even if the candidate is personally undecided on anthropogenic global warming (and as my one absolutist position I will not, under any circumstances, vote for a committed climate alarmist.)
I want to hear an economic policy that promotes business growth, ensures no entity is ever considered ‘too big to fail’ but also recognizes two key constraints: free trade is an element of a trade policy but is not one in itself, and countries that don’t actually make stuff eventually lose their place to those who do.
I want a candidate who will teach that the real lesson of Columbus Day is that a civilization that does not organize for its own defense will eventually be subsumed by one that does.
JEM on October 17, 2009 at 11:56 AM
OT:
Harris interactive poll has Obama’s approval at 45% and with indies at 40%.
technopeasant on October 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM
If Huckabee is the nominee in 2012 I will be about as enthused as Anita Dunn at a Glenn Beck comedy concert.
kagai on October 17, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Reagan showed how to win elections. The Republican Party just can’t seem to figure out that he was right. You run above the party and not be of the party. Just as Sarah will do. None of the others have figured that out. Sarah will run as a Republican, but she will be Sarah. The rest of the party will follow along because they are just that, followers. Sarah is a true leader. The others in the poll, not so much.
Liz Cheney is the one without experience. However, she certainly is going to be a player very soon. I love her just as much as Sarah. She has good genes and is certainly media savy and takes no prisoners. These two ladies are going to save us. They would be my “dream team”.
We have a lot of good people in the wings, but they aren’t Pawlenty, Huckabee, or Romney.
BetseyRoss on October 17, 2009 at 11:58 AM
There is no Republican presidential wanna be who excites me in the least. The sad fact is that the dingbat messiah will get re-elected no matter what happens in the real world.
Really Right on October 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Of course Huckabee never actually said those words. You probably shouldn’t use quotations for things you just imagined he said. What Huckabee said is that he was in favor of amending the constitution to define marriage as one man and one woman…and that this would meet God’s standards, and that this would be easier than changing God’s standards. Now I’m not a Christian, and I can understand how that might bother someone who doesn’t believe in a God. But it’s not even close to being theocratic.
ceruleanblue on October 17, 2009 at 12:04 PM
And once again, the polling thing turns into the abortion litmus test. Pretty much how we got a communist in chief in office now. You have to understand that even conservative independent Libertarians like myself look at these religious types as the “700 Club” being injected into politics. That’s the view of any Reagan Democrats,independents,moderate Republicans and Republicans not subscribing to social conservatism. Not good if you want to win an election.
It amazes me that people who are so opposed to the government getting between them and their doctor regarding insurance(count me in) have no problem using the government to get between a woman and her doctor regarding personal health and life choices. As if making abortion illegal will end abortion. That kind of thinking has worked out so well for years with the war on drugs. Complete disconnect logically. The propaganda used by the pro life movement is as bad as anything the commies on the other side employ. Case in point is late term abortion. Those fetuses do not generally look like the baby on the Gerber Baby Food jar. They lack faces,brains,etc., and are not viable after birth. A “ditzy” female is not going to spend $7500 on a last minute decision. The less than viable fetus can endanger the mother for no other reason than laws bringing them to term.
All this is predicated on personal belief, something the founders wanted people to have freedom to exercise as citizens. Keep voting pro life and see communism as something that will be here permanently. Not to mention losing 51% of the vote. As I stated, If you think outlawing abortion is going to put a dent into it, you can rent a unicorn from San Fran Nan to ride down the Barack Obama Rainbow Highway….
adamsmith on October 17, 2009 at 12:06 PM
With that comment you have just explained in a few words the absolutely vapid argument that the Libs used to manipulate white guilt. Thank you!
BetseyRoss on October 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM
ceruleanblue on October 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Christianity teaches that Jesus is God and always has been God. Satan is a a fallen angel, a creature, who was created through Jesus Christ (John 1:3).
Mormonism on the other hand teaches that both Jesus and Satan were born spirit brothers by God the Father. This is pure heresy from a Christian standpoint.
Maybe Huckabee’s comments were driven by sheer political opportunism, rather than by any desire to speak the truth in order to distinguish real Christianity from the cult of Mormonism. That’s entirely possible. But either way it doesn’t make him a “religious bigot,” unless speaking the truth about Mormonism is considered bigotry.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM
vermillionsky on October 17, 2009 at 9:11 AM
right on. Paster in chief.
ORconservative on October 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM
It amazes me that seemingly thinking human beings such as yourself do not recognize murder when you see it. You libertarian/”socially moderate” types suffer from a serious disconnect.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Who gives a crap about Mormons? The guy has anointed himself “THE Christian Candidate” and thinks the country should be run more in line with biblical teachings.
He’s an unmitigated F**KING religious BIGOT!
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM
If Huckabigot somehow gets nominated in 2012, a third party run by a real conservative (like Palin or Cheney) would be inevitable.
I agree with Dan Riehl’s take on this: “Huckabee..is not a conservative. Anyone suggesting that remains blinded by those wonderful crosses they saw dancing across their TV screen in last year’s Huckabee campaign ads. Fiscally, he’s a populist, at best. And he actually has quite a liberal streak. Distributing income is just as much a desire with Huckabee as it is with the Left. He simply wants to use those tax dollars in a different way.”
Norwegian on October 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM
I guess by Mr. “open borders” and protecting illegals, you mean the same guy who was endorsed by Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project. And what does Rasmussen releasing a poll have anything to do with the mainstream media picking a cadidate? No, these were actually likely GOP voters that picked Huckabee.
ceruleanblue on October 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Good Stuff
http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/10/sarah-palin-must-choose-her-battles.html
Firebird on October 17, 2009 at 12:25 PM
It is blatant opportunism to inject religion into a campaign in a way to cast aspersions on Mormons for the exact things they believe. Yes it is an attack and the fact that you can’t/wont see that tells me all I need to know about those who don’t reject Huckabee out of hand for his religious bigotry.
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM
UNelectable.
nico on October 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Are you stupid? That’s not a rhetorical question either.
The reason I ask is because you seem to be under the impression that Huckabee’s the only candidate out there mixing his politics with his religious/morality beliefs. Earth to csdeven: we all do it. Everybody wants their own morality legislated, even you. So I guess we’re all bigots.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
No, I choose to reject Huckabee for legitimate reasons, not made up nonsense.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 12:33 PM
I think your problem might be your bias against Evangelicals. When did Huckabee ever rail against Mormons? Oh, never.
ceruleanblue on October 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Don’t bother with the moron. You don’t have to be a believer to see the stupidity in the Christian belief that Satan isn’t related to Gods creations.
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 12:37 PM
It’s just too bad Huckabee’s a crummy theologian. Otherwise he wouldn’t be a such an open-borders socialist.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 12:39 PM
We all do it? WTF, you got a mouse in your pocket? The only moralities I want legislated are those contained in the constitution. A set of rules made for all men through the democratic process. I do not want the bible, a book written by those not elected by the people, to be the guiding book for the citizens of this country.
Do you even think about what you want to write before you write it?
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM
You don’t even know what Christianity teaches, you ignorant fool.
Of course he’s related to God’s creation. He’s a creature, created by God, just like you and me. But Jesus is not a mere creature, he is God Himself.
Mormonism doesn’t teach this, however. Mormonism says that Satan and Jesus are spiritual off-spring of the Father, both begotten in time.
Try doing a bit of study before commenting further.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM
The problem with Huckabee’s statement is that he claims he doesn’t know much about Mormonism, yet he gives himself away about how much he actually knows about the Mormon faith with the follow up question he asks.
Huckabee is pretending he doesn’t know about the Mormon faith but reveals himself to be a liar by faking ignorance on a small, minor, doctrine. The only way he could asked that question is if he studied Mormonism.
Well, how much does Huckabee know about the LDS faith?
Mike Huckabee clearly knows alot about the LDS faith since he attended and gave the keynote address at the 1998 Southern Baptist Pastor’s Convention in Salt Lake City. What’s even more interesting is that one of the convention activities was going door to door in Utah neighborhoods to convert Mormons. Promotional materials about witnessing to Mormons were distributed during and after the convention, including the oft-repeated line about Jesus and Satan being brothers.
Huckabee is a liar because he expects people to believe he never picked up much of anything about Mormonism after having a lead role in the denomination most dedicated to converting Mormons and after having spoke at a major convention focused on those activities.
The other thing about Huckabee’s response was that Huckabee’s question about LDS belief that Jesus and Satan were brothers is that it was a calculated question at exploiting anti-Mormon sentiment that is held by some Christians.
Huckabee certainly knew what he was doing when he asked that question about whether or not Mormons believed that Jesus and Satan were brothers. Huckabee’s comment looks less like an honest question and more like one part of a coordinated attack on Romney’s faith and scaring away potential voters from Romney.
So, Mike Huckabee is a (1) a liar for faking ignorance about Mormonsim and a (2)slimy dirtbag for playing the religion card against Mitt.
Conservative Samizdat on October 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Nice deflection. The guys a bigot and you can’t face the fact that you agree with his bigoted outlook on belief in God.
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Yes, you have you worldview and Huckabee has his. You both think you’re right and the other wrong. You both think your morality is better than the other guy’s. All you need to do is argue your case. Leave the “bigotry” nonsense out of it.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Oh, he did rail against the Mormons.
He attended and gave the keynote address at the 1998 Southern Baptist Pastor’s Convention in Salt Lake City.
Conservative Samizdat on October 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM
We have to fight it, or we’ll deserve our collective fates. I choose to side with Mitt Romney as our best chance to turn back this tide or Marxism, and I hope everyone here will join with me in that support.
scotash on October 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Still waiting for you to prove me wrong vis-a-vis the Mormon theology, sweetheart.
By the way, I know you were a big Romney guy this past election, so your defensiveness regarding his Mormonism isn’t all that surprising. Your patriotic talk of defending the Constitution, however, is. Wasn’t Romney the guy who gave Massachusetts socialized health car, and who was for TARP before he was against it? And this is the guy you wanted to be president?
I would be careful if I were you. Throwing stones in glass houses and all that jazz.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 12:56 PM
Huckabee is giving his viewers direction in how to fight against Obama’s leftist policies. He is directing his supporters to donate time and energy in getting conservatives a win in November 2009-McDonnell and in the 2010 races-Rubio, Van der Platts. While Huckabee’s PAC does not rake in the big bucks from the beltway elite, his PAC does rake in volunteers who are working for the conservative cause.
Go Huckabee 2012!!
texasconserv on October 17, 2009 at 12:57 PM
New information from Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ … _romney_39
Additional data released from Rasmussen in its 2012 survey: In a head-to-head contest against Huckabeee and Romney only, it’s Huckabee 44 and Romney 39.
In addition, intensity favors Huckabee. Both candidates are viewed favorably by 78% of republican likely voters; however, 46% of those voters have a very positive feeling about Huckabee, whereas only 34% feel that strongly about Romney.
texasconserv on October 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM
scotash on October 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM
I thought Romney was our boy, too, until McCain slapped him around time after time. This is the same McCain who did such a beautiful job of surrendering to the dingbat messiah.
We need a strong Republican candidate who has the intellectual and moral courage to say “STFU, you lying f**ks!” to the lying f**ks that constitute the dingbat left. That person does not exist.
Really Right on October 17, 2009 at 12:59 PM
that’s what infuriates me the most…and they get away with it by the RNC…
cmsinaz on October 17, 2009 at 1:03 PM
I’ll give you number one. Number two is still a no-go.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Hold on…there has to be more choices out there! How about a brainstorming thread on who we’d like to see run, instead of (or in addition to) a poll of likely candidates? Seems to me there are a lot of solid, savvy conservatives waiting in the wings.
jbtripp on October 17, 2009 at 1:12 PM
No one needs to study when you AND the scriptures give Satan male genitalia.
You Christians just refuse to make a lick of sense when you start judging who is and is not a Christian. Your attitude is why rational people, who are predisposed to being faithful, run screaming from you.
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 1:12 PM
Ick! That creep Huckaphony makes my skin crawl!
Oh, and he DID play the religion card against Mitt. Conservatives aren’t above that when it comes to Mormons. He didn’t have togo there to get to Mitt…he could have gone after his pro-choice switch OR the crappy idea of Mandated Health Care in Mass.
Huckafraud!
Gob on October 17, 2009 at 1:15 PM
The constitution gives the power to have government health care TO the states. So what Romney did was in agreement with the constitution. Then we can argue the merits of it. I myself would probably not vote for it, but the people of MA certainly had the right to do so.
I didn’t agree with TARP at all and I distrust Mitt because of his support for it. But if I had to choose between Mitt and Huck, I would Huck’s bigotry makes him completely untenable.
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Your rampant confusion now has me confused. What in the world are you talking about?
No, you run kicking and screaming from God because you’re a sinner and you hate him.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM
+1
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Gilchrist supported him on other things besides open borders. Regarding the polls, come back in 3 years and we’ll talk again.
Hobbes on October 17, 2009 at 1:20 PM
God created Satan and Satan is a male. Ergo, why do you bristle at the idea that Satan is a male and ergo related to Christ like any other brothers are?
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 1:22 PM
True. But it doesn’t say much about Romney’s supposed conservatism. I don’t trust socialists in any capacity, state or federal.
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Good grief you’re an idiot.
Are you serious? Did you actually READ my other posts? Are you really this dense?
2Brave2Bscared on October 17, 2009 at 1:23 PM
Gawd, Suckabee’s got NOTHING. Ugh. :P
RedNewEnglander on October 17, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Why did you leave out Bobby Jindal in your poll?
As to you idiots out there who like Huckabee, what the *(&%*&^ is the matter with you?
highhopes on October 17, 2009 at 1:58 PM
How can people still like Huckabee when any cursory review of his record shows someone who was weak on illegal aliens, immigration control, criminals, taxes etc…?????
Huck SOFT ON CRIMINALS:
If you’re wondering how Gov. Huckabee’s hundreds of clemencies compare with neighboring states, get ready for a shocker.
___ Huckabee leads the pack.
___ He has issued more commutations and pardons than all of the six neighboring states combined.
http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_08_11_04/huckabee8.html
PollyTix101 on October 17, 2009 at 2:05 PM
CFR touts Huck’s sympathy for illegals
The evidence of Huckabee’s record as governor…is that he helped create Arkansas as a sanctuary state, serving the interest of the Arkansas corporations that wanted to exploit the cheap labor readily available from an open flow of illegal immigrants.
This, Huckabee’s actual record on immigration while governor rather than his newfound border-security rhetoric, is a record the CFR globalists appear to be signaling the organization is prepared to embrace and promote with increased coverage that curiously coincides with Huckabee’s recent rise in the polls. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=45060
__________________
OLD BUT RELEVANT.
PollyTix101 on October 17, 2009 at 2:07 PM
I forget you Christians believe in the Trinity. The better question for you is this:
What does God do with his Jesus skin suit when he wants to be the Holy Ghost or the bodiless God? At the baptism of Christ, all three personages were present at the same time. This is the proof of the separate nature of the Godhead. But you’ll try to convince us that this was Gods way of proving to us how powerful he is right? As if making the world wasn’t enough.
csdeven on October 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Huck raised taxes more than Bill Clinton in AR.
This Huck lunacy needs to stop.
Largely on the strength of that tax cut, the Cato Institute awarded Huckabee a B rating in 1998, listing him as one of the country’s “top ten tax cutters.” But it was largely downhill from there. He was awarded a C in 2000 and 2002, a D in 2004, and an F in 2006. “Mike Huckabee of Arkansas went from being one of the best governors in America to one of the worst,” the Institute declared. “The main reason for the drop was his insistence on raising taxes at almost every turn throughout his final term.”
According to the Tax Foundation, the state and local tax burden on the average Arkansan increased from 10.1 per cent to 11.3 per cent under Huckabee. When he came into office in 1996, Arkansas ranked 30th in the nation as the state with the highest taxes. When he left at the beginning of this year, it had risen to 13th. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/huckabees_record_on_taxes.html
PollyTix101 on October 17, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Huckabee is simply useful to take out other candidates, so is being promoted exactly like the last campaign to split the primary vote. He would not create a theocracy but IMHO he is the tedious candidate the independents will ignore.
I dislike Huck ever since I heard his remark about how he shuts up folk complaining about illegal immigration. He would ask them if they ever lost a job to one. Huck has said he has never met a man who lost a job to an illegal. The shallowness of that remark was out and out proof the man is limited or has blinders, either of which we do not need in a President.
Huck gets the votes now because he has a percentage of evangelicals disgusted with the secularist/gay/atheist agenda and because he has an open platform on FOX with his Oprah style program to build image.
Huck will win polls against Romney and Palin now because he is familiar but he is the weakest candidate.
I find it pretty disgusting the same strategy may be used in the next election which is such a critical election. The Bush globalists smell Obama’s weakness and it is their big chance to swing the nation into a borderless investment launching pad, where the new markets they play are not the DOW, and the workers they pay are third worlders with like minded rulers. The American citizen is simply a pawn who must bow their rules or be replaced
The immorality of legislators who no longer read or write the bills they rubber stamp is not exclusive to the DEMs.
The next election is a turning point, not between socialism and capitalism, but between liberty and exploitation, between sovereignity and borderless obedience to unaccountable international commissions
For this we need someone who is not owned by the bosses or the next election might be with pick axes
entagor on October 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM
If you think these jokers in Washington want to tax our junk food, just wait if there’s a Huckabee presidency. You’ll go bankrupt trying to afford your Ring-Dings and Coke Classic for all the taxes we’ll be paying on it. And you’ll probably get fined if you don’t log your minimum 10 miles per week of jogging either. But yeah, let’s elect Huckabee president. What’s not to love about him for defenders of liberty across the land?
NoLeftTurn on October 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I think that’s why he reminds me of Obama, but opposite on some issues (fewer than people imagine, I suspect).
He’s one of the simplistic communicator types who undermine real discussions about real issues.
AnninCA on October 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM
And who will Huck team with this time to derail Palin?
JellyToast on October 17, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I really liked Huck when I first heard about him early last year. I was actually pretty excited about him.
Unfortunately, when I looked into him more, spent time studying his record and who supported him and who didn’t, plus looking carefully at his positions,,, I decided he’s a little about Bill Clinton.
JellyToast on October 17, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Wow, you just can’t admit your guy was wrong, can you?
Five admonitions from the state ethics commission and a $1000 in fines. Those are the facts. Nine ethics complaints were rejected, but there were fourteen total. It’s positively Clintonian (oral sex is not sex, yeah, right) how you Hucksters dance around your guy’s ethical lapses.
Laura on October 17, 2009 at 2:45 PM
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