Moderate poison

posted at 2:10 pm on October 15, 2009 by Doctor Zero

Commenting on the idea of General David Petraeus as the only potential presidential candidate who could unite the Republican party, Allahpundit says:

Among the major Republican candidates, the only one who truly excites the base is Palin, yet she’s sufficiently poisonous to moderates at the moment that Bob McDonnell won’t even take her up on her offer to campaign for him in Virginia while sitting on a nine-point lead. 

I’m sure Petraeus would receive an eager and respectful hearing from both Republican and independent voters, if he decided to pursue a career in politics. (Democrats would haul those disgraceful “General Betray Us” signs out of storage, and begin inventing imaginary racist quotes they could post online, citing each other as reliable sources.) I find the classification of Palin as “poisonous to moderates” debatable, however.

Allahpundit didn’t pull this description out of thin air – various polls show her doing much better among conservatives than moderates, and of course liberals hate her the way that creepy little kid and long-haired girl in “The Grudge” hated anyone who came into their haunted house. A recent Pew Research poll gives Palin a 62% approval rating among moderate Republicans, which is a little north of poisonous, but far below her 85% rating with conservatives.

Opinions among the broader electorate are harder to judge, especially when we’re less than a year into the current president’s term… and discussing a private citizen, who last expressed her feelings about elective politics by starting a Facebook page, and racking up 925,000 supporters. She has some work to do with independent and moderately liberal voters, but there’s no reason to declare her task impossible in advance. Note that Allahpundit astutely qualifies his toxicology report by saying she’s “poisonous to moderates at the moment.” Things change in the world of politics, sometimes very abruptly.

Why should Palin be such a hard sell for moderate voters? After all, she was tapped as a running mate by the most moderate moderate to ever moderate his way to a crushing electoral defeat, John McCain. She’s clearly much more conservative than he is, but are we supposed to believe the people who adore McCain’s maverick centrism will completely disregard his… shall we say… moderate endorsement of Palin, and treat her like a radioactive wolverine? What did she ever say, or do, to send these enlightened, open-minded moderates stampeding for the hills? Her style isn’t “divisive” or confrontational, unless we are meant to conclude that strong criticism of the radical Barack Obama automatically infuriates middle-of-the-road types… in which case they seem more like a herd of sheep than a wise company of level-headed independents. All of the superficial reasons cited for Palin’s alleged inability to connect with moderate voters are exactly the kind of trivia they’re supposedly able to think beyond.

When we speak of moderates, there are really three distinct groups under discussion: liberal Republicans, conservative Democrats, and true independents. The truly independent voter should, I think, be strongly disposed to reject an incumbent for poor performance. Someone who could vote for Bush in 2004, then Obama in 2008, should be extraordinarily eager to hear new ideas, when the current occupant of the Oval Office clearly isn’t taking care of business. Conservative Democrats should be less than eager to re-elect a leftist radical, especially since he seems keen on turning the Reagan Democrat states into economic disaster areas.

Liberal Republicans would actually be the hardest of the three moderate groups for a serious conservative to win over, given their long-standing distaste for the right wing of their own party, but they might be willing to jump onto a campaign headed for victory. They were certainly quick to bail out of the Straight Talk Express, despite their ostensible love for John McCain. If Sarah Palin ran against Obama and looked like a winner in the last months of the campaign, she shouldn’t be surprised to see some fawning op-eds from people like Peggy Noonan, as they suddenly discover a luminous aura of energy and charisma around her. That’s what courtiers do. “Moderation” can dissolve in the frantic scramble for relevance. Anyone who could swoon over the “superior judgment” of the guy who filled his administration with tax cheats, 9/11 conspiracy morons, and NAMBLA supporters will have no trouble revising their opinion of the “seemingly very nice middle-class girl,” if she’s up six points over Obama in the October 2012 polls.

How does Sarah Palin improve her standing among moderates? By talking to them. A true moderate can hardly define themselves through stubborn closed-mindedness. Palin’s book sales suggest people are interested in hearing what she has to say. Her writing and speeches show that she’s gotten better at saying it. Of course, not having to shamble along with the zombies of the McCain campaign helps with that. Everything I’ve seen of Palin since the end of the 2008 campaign is remarkably consistent with the performance that brought the house down at the Republican National Convention. That speech was intoxicating, not poisonous.

People sincerely interested in hearing both sides of the political argument aren’t going to judge Palin by a comedy skit, or Katie Couric interview, from four years ago. It doesn’t mean they’ll stack copies of Going Rogue into a giant pyramid, like Xerxes’ seat from 300, and carry her into Washington on their backs… but at this point, it’s equally ridiculous to say that she doesn’t have a fighting chance with them, if she wants to take it. There certainly isn’t anything “moderate” about the man she would be running against.

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Palin is not electable as president. Stop focusing on her and concentrate on finding someone who is.

txag92 on October 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Another bullseye by Doctor Zero.

Bravo, Sir, Bravo!

Norwegian on October 15, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Word to Big Bird! (I’m channeling Michael Steele)

D0WNT0WN on October 15, 2009 at 2:15 PM

of course liberals hate her the way that creepy little kid and long-haired girl in “The Grudge” hated anyone who came into their haunted house.

This is the level of writing HA showcases from it’s commenters? Yeesh.

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

“All of the superficial reasons cited for Palin’s alleged inability to connect with moderate voters are exactly the kind of trivia they’re supposedly able to think beyond.”

Money quote.

NebCon on October 15, 2009 at 2:17 PM

You da man, Doc! Spot on masterfully assembled proposition and conclusion, presented like the wordsmith you are.

kingsjester on October 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM

The way things are going now, moderates will be hard core conservatives by 2012.

Daggett on October 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM

of course liberals hate her the way that creepy little kid and long-haired girl in “The Grudge” hated anyone who came into their haunted house.
This is the level of writing HA showcases from it’s commenters? Yeesh.

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

I for one think it’s a terrific line… so is the Xerxes image…Yeesh indeed.

max1 on October 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Dude, it is true.

SnowSun on October 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM

“Moderates” by definition are those voters who know little, care little, and in the end vote for whoever they think their friends are voting for. Palin should not “moderate” because doing so will be abandoning the principles that have gotten her the current following of (at least 57,000,000) supporters.

Our goal is not to appeal to moderates, but rather to cure them of their moderation. Palin does that very well.

joe_doufu on October 15, 2009 at 2:23 PM

If she is the nominee in 2012, she will be elected, because by then, the cry will be ABO anybody but obama

ConservativePartyNow on October 15, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Liberal Republicans would actually be the hardest of the three moderate groups for a serious conservative to win over

Liberal Republicans will simply never vote for Palin or any other real conservative in meaningful numbers. Their “we’re better than the proles” elitism just won’t crack, regardless of how bad things get. Thus was born the John Anderson third party candidacy in 1980.

If Liberals won’t pick Reagan over Carter, or for that matter Mccain over Obama, there’s no hope for them. Get the votes by appealing to Independents and conservative Democrats.

Terry_Dyne on October 15, 2009 at 2:27 PM

I find the classification of Palin as “poisonous to moderates” debatable, however.

I agree. Nice piece, Dr. Z. Palin IS electable. Far more accomplished than Bozo.

President Palin.

dogsoldier on October 15, 2009 at 2:27 PM

moderate Dem here, I love Sarah!
Romney/Palin 12

ginaswo on October 15, 2009 at 2:27 PM

This is the level of writing HA showcases from it’s commenters? Yeesh.

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Considering the source, I’d say DZ should view this as a compliment.

TheUnrepentantGeek on October 15, 2009 at 2:28 PM

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Someone sounds jealous.

Snowed In on October 15, 2009 at 2:28 PM

This is the level of writing HA showcases from it’s commenters? Yeesh.

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Hello, apostrophe hypocrisy!

Abby Adams on October 15, 2009 at 2:29 PM

On the next episode of Crr6 Showcase… oh wait…

LibTired on October 15, 2009 at 2:30 PM

This is the level of writing HA showcases from it’s commenters? Yeesh.

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Wh’at l’eve’l of wr’iting wo’uld l’ive u’p t’o yo’ur stand’a'rd’s?

Ronnie on October 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Abby Adams on October 15, 2009 at 2:29 PM

“Apostrophe Hypocrisy” would be a good name for a rock band.

Snowed In on October 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM

This is the level of writing HA showcases from it’s commenters? Yeesh.

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Perhaps there’s a market on HA for the ad hominem tweets that you supply, dude. Talk to Allah; maybe he’ll hook you up.

Mr. D on October 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM

When we speak of moderates, there are really three distinct groups under discussion: liberal Republicans, conservative Democrats, and true independents.

Palin has a good chance at winning over the independents. Barry is rapidly losing their support, especially as he’s forcing Obamacare down their throats. Conservative Dems are up for grabs as well, much the way Reagan Democrats were in 1980. We’ll get a better picture of how vulnerable the Dems are with this group after the midterms next year, particularly in the Blue Dog districts.

As for liberal Republicans, if we’re talking about the socially liberal, fiscally conservative bunch, you would think she’d do well with them. But it’s put up or shut up time for this group. If they’re truly fiscally conservative, then they can’t be out there supporting what Obama’s doing. People like Snowe and Collins have no business using the word “conservative” to describe any aspect of their political ideology if they’re back trillion dollar bills that they’re not even reading.

Doughboy on October 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM

A BIG THANK YOU to you, Doctor Zero! No politician has excited me since Ronald Reagan like Sarah Palin. And unlike Obama, she has already been tested by fire. Her skin is sufficiently thick enough to run and win!

parteagirl on October 15, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Terry_Dyne on October 15, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Anderson was my congressman way back when I lived in Illinois. I didn’t know anyone who liked him and was always mystified when he won reelection.

NebCon on October 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I like Palin- a lot- but think 2012 is too early for her to try again. IMO, Liz Cheney will be ready for 2012 and would be great paired with a domestic/business-focused republican.

LASue on October 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Is this an open letter from Doctor Zero to Allahpundit?

It’s very powerful and effective.

cubachi on October 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM

they seem more like a herd of sheep than a wise company of level-headed independents.

That’s because they are. A herd of sheep that is. I tend to put “moderates” in the same category as “undecideds.” They wait for a majority to form and then join it. In the meantime, we’re led to believe this inability to make up their minds about basic core issues translates to them somehow being so much smarter than the rest of us rabble.

And it’s almost amusing to hear the leftist stenographers in the media suggest that any criticism of a democrat by a Republican will automatically send these moderates to the left in droves, yet democrat criticism of Republicans doesn’t seem to have the same effect.

CurtZHP on October 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The way things are going now, moderates will be hard core conservatives by 2012.

Daggett on October 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Word.

unwashed minion on October 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Sarah Palin is not any of the things the left has portrayed her as. She is pro-choice, but not in your face pro-choice. She is for abstinence being taught in schools, along with contraceptives. Just not explicit demonstrations. She is for conservation. There are so many issues that the left has attached to her that aren’t hers. If the middle would give her a fair hearing, without the constraints of being #2 on the ticket, they might find she is not Tina Fey’s creation on SNL.

Sue on October 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM

This is the level of writing HA showcases from it’s commenters? Yeesh.

crr6 on October 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Wh’at l’eve’l of wr’iting wo’uld l’ive u’p t’o yo’ur stand’a’rd’s?

Ronnie on October 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM

B’waah’aaha’aah’aah’aah’aa’haa…

nolapol on October 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM

txag92 on October 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Really, what is so hard about WHERE ARE THE JOBS? as an issue? Must we get into this litmus test of “Gosh, I hope my friends aren’t embarassed by this Republican?”

When everyone who takes a stand and takes the arrows is cut down, who’s going to stand for you?

BradSchwartze on October 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM

OT:

During the week of Oct 19 some of your favorite shows on major networks will be promoting Obama’s call to volunteer service. They are using tv shows and actors to promote a political agenda. Scroll down for a list of networks and shows. Nothing like some prime time brain washing.

http://www.eifoundation.org/press/release.asp?press_release_id=244

Pi$$ed about CSI.

milwife88 on October 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Wouldn’t a moderate HAVE to consider Sarah Palin as a viable candidate for President?

Otherwise, he wouldn’t be a “moderate” anymore….

landlines on October 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM

LASue on October 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM

She doesn’t have the experience yet politically and her last name IS a handicap.

She is articulate, but we don’t know what she would do on domestic issues and we don’t know the kind of leader she is.

Don’t make the same mistake the Dems made with Obama.

I like Liz, but I’m not jumping on her bandwagon until I see real evidence of her courage and selflessness in the political arena.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Like the vain Queen in Snow White, libs want to see only themselves as fair, and beautiful and smart. But the mirror always tells the truth. Sarah, a woman of the people from the land of Common Sense, “is a thousand times fairer than you.”

publiuspen on October 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM

How does Sarah Palin improve her standing among moderates? By talking to them. A true moderate can hardly define themselves through stubborn closed-mindedness

But she doesn’t seem to be interested in doing this. Moderates generally don’t share her views on health care, abortion, the environment, or the various wars we’re in or will be. But if she attempts to connect with moderates, or shows a heretofore little-seen spirit of compromise (more drilling but more investment in green technology, as well, for example) her base will call her a traitor and find someone else to vote for.

She’s in an interesting position.

On the article as a whole, the “they hate her now but they might not hate her later” is about the most most milquetoast conclusion since the last economist went on TV to explain that “on the one hand…on the other hand…..”

Fun to see the concealed Gay culture reference though.

“It doesn’t mean they’ll stack copies of Going Rogue into a giant pyramid, like Xerxes’ seat from 300″

Does this mean a greater tolerance of The Gay Agenda on Hot Air?

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Palin is not electable as president. Stop focusing on her and concentrate on finding someone who is.

txag92 on October 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Everytime I come here and look for another name from you I never see one. All I ever see is “Palin is unelectable” and “none of the above”. Can we please have a name?

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller…..

BTW, again Gig ‘Em

Kudos to AP for letting the Good Doc post this in the Palin negative area. As usual his analysis is spot on. Thanks Doc!

davek70 on October 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM

milwife88 on October 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM

I’m glad the two NCIS shows didn’t do it.

kingsjester on October 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Palin 2012!

Irenaeus on October 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Palin is not electable as president. Stop focusing on her and concentrate on finding someone who is.

txag92 on October 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Letting the left pick your candidate are we?

She will win because she stands for everything Obama is not.

She is the anti-Obama on just about every issue.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Doctor Zero,
Email me. Editor then the at symbol then PoliSat.com

Jim

Jim Wrenn on October 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Hello, apostrophe hypocrisy!

Abby Adams on October 15, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Wh’at l’eve’l of wr’iting wo’uld l’ive u’p t’o yo’ur stand’a’rd’s?

Ronnie on October 15, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Hilarious. The world’s going to hell and I’m laughing because of you two…:)

bravecowboy on October 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Does this mean a greater tolerance of The Gay Agenda on Hot Air?

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM

If you’re looking for love, Dr. Jones, there are plenty of internet sites for you.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Way off base. Sarah can win by doing 2 things.

Talk to all Americans.
Be a leader and don’t play it safe.

The election won’t be won by appealing to moderates. It will be won by being the most competent candidate who can communicate the best ideas for the future.

huckleberryfriend on October 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Palin is not electable as president. Stop focusing on her and concentrate on finding someone who is.

txag92 on October 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Without resorting to the talking points of the DNC or their pet media group, the MSM, perhaps you can explain why she isn’t electable.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Does this mean a greater tolerance of The Gay Agenda on Hot Air?

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Keep bleedin Blue.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Sarah does need to speak to moderates. She already has the right flank ready to jump off a bridge for her. If she plans to run she needs to talk intelligently about the economy, small government, taxes, defense and avoid the more divisive issues like abortion, gay marriage etc.

brandozilla on October 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM

A true moderate can hardly define themselves through stubborn closed-mindedness.

Nice try. But in the end I believe you’ll find you can lead a certain pundit to water but you can’t make him think.

Stephen M on October 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Keep bleedin Blue.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Give my best to Xerxes and the boys!

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM

txag92 on October 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Without resorting to the talking points of the DNC or their pet media group, the MSM, perhaps you can explain why she isn’t electable.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Txag92 is not a troll or a democrat, steele. She just has an opinion that you do not agree with. Now, if you posted more often, maybe you would know that.
BTW, if you are related to Michael Steele, could you please tell him to pull his head out of his ass…

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Sarah will win over enough moderates and independents the way she did in Alaska.

And believe me, a huge chunk of the indies are fiscal conservatives and she stands for them.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Dr. Zero is a national treasure with his superior analysis.

Geochelone on October 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Sarah will win over enough moderates and independents the way she did in Alaska.

And believe me, a huge chunk of the indies are fiscal conservatives and she stands for them.

Its not as easy that. Winning independents in a swing state like Florida or Ohio, is very different from winning them in a red state.

brandozilla on October 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Give my best to Xerxes and the boys!

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Sorry, not Persian or Greek.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Dr. Zero is a national treasure with his superior analysis.

Geochelone on October 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I believe he needs to join Ed and give us more more more of his superior analysis.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Give my best to Xerxes and the boys!

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Sorry, not Persian or Greek.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Is Bleeds trying to tell us something? I already told him to try another type of website for that sort of thing.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I agree with Rush about Palin, although I can’t quote him word for word, it’s something to the effect that you know when you have someone they fear, because of their attacks and hatred towards that person. If that is true, then Palin is the right person.

I like Palin a lot, but I am not sure that 2012 will be the right time, although that is several lifetimes away from now. The way things are going, I could probably get elected in 2012. I swear I could do no worse than the one.

kam582 on October 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Conservative Dem who likes Palin here.

ConDem on October 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM

“Moderates” by definition are those voters who know little, care little, and in the end vote for whoever they think their friends are voting for.

joe_doufu on October 15, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Most Americans are moderates. Your definition is entirely incorrect. Moderates are those whose views are far from the extremes of the left and right wings the political spectrum. Moderates and centrists do care deeply about issues and tend to be well educated and well informed.

I’m not sure that Palin will have much traction with moderates but she seems to be making a genuine effort to recast herself.

lexhamfox on October 15, 2009 at 2:55 PM

The truly independent voter should, I think, be strongly disposed to reject an incumbent for poor performance.

If there is a fundamental flaw to your reasoning, it would be assuming that this disposition will lead to them overlooking the ways in which Palin is decidedly not moderate. Not to mention that most independents, most americans even, will never, ever consider their vote as thoughtfully as you have here.

ernesto on October 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I am not a Palin die hard, but she does represent a basic mindset that is reflective of what the average person in this country once held as truth. She lives that image, and is far from being an extremist.

The fact that someone like her, who is down to earth and simply speaks her mind can be such a polarizing figure just goes to show how screwed the media and culture of this nation has become. Her ideas have not set her apart, but the assassination of her character by the Democratic spin doctors has been thorough. She instantly became an icon rather than flesh and blood, and instead of being the god of hope and change, she is represented a backwoods, conservative idiot over and over until Joe and Jane America believe it and have a good laugh when she appears.

It’s tragic.

Hening on October 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Txag92 is not a troll or a democrat, steele. She just has an opinion that you do not agree with. Now, if you posted more often, maybe you would know that.
BTW, if you are related to Michael Steele, could you please tell him to pull his head out of his ass…

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Was that really called for? It was a legitimate question; without resorting to the standing cr*pola from the left just why is she not electable. What has she said or done, or not said or done that makes her not electable? Facts, not made up “quotes.”

And no, I’m not related to that Michael Steele — English/Irish. If you want him to get his head out of his backside then you’ll have to tell him yourself.

And some of us have been around these parts longer than others, makes no nevermind, your opinion is as useless as mine.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Its not as easy that. Winning independents in a swing state like Florida or Ohio, is very different from winning them in a red state.

brandozilla on October 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Look, if you want her to preach big government to get moderates, you’re wrong.

That is what got us in trouble in the first place.

In Ohio, job losses and imploding private sector are killing us.

She will talk about cutting taxes and regulations to help business recover and hire people and grow. She will also talk about how the state gets most of its electricity from coal and how Cap&Tax needs to be stopped. She’ll talk about the huge budget deficits under Obama and the national debt that is killing their children.

This WILL resonate with Ohioans.

These are the issues in Ohio and her solutions and beliefs are far better than Obama’s.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM

The very most important 1st step for 2012 is having a candidate that is instantly recognizable, be it good bad or indifferent makes no difference. All publicity is good publicity and Sarah has the name…..
The 2nd most important thing is the qualities that candidate possesses, and she possesses absolutley EVERYTHING necessary to run and win. You guys give the left waaaay too much credit in being able to de-rail her…

We need a star with brains and a little bit of beauty sure don’t hurt either. I honestly can’t think of anyone else out there that could win….

Tim Zank on October 15, 2009 at 2:58 PM

How does Sarah Palin improve her standing among moderates? By talking to them. A true moderate can hardly define themselves through stubborn closed-mindedness.

And, yet, the most stubbornly closed minds are among those who proudly tout their own “moderation”.

Crawford on October 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Give my best to Xerxes and the boys!

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Sorry, not Persian or Greek.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Is Bleeds trying to tell us something? I already told him to try another type of website for that sort of thing.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Nah. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I just find it funny whenever I stumble across another example of a conservative’s (though maybe DZ’s more of a libertarian) affection for a movie with…such an interesting graphic design strategy. Based, of course, on an army that had moved far past “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Palin is history, old news. The future of the GOP, per the amazing wisdom of Kathleen Parker, is Meghan “Jugs” McCain.

Erich66 on October 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Yeah, it was.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Hening on October 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM

You won’t think like that though in a year and a half.

Only the leftists will not vote for her no matter what.

She doesn’t need the 40% that won’t vote for her. That 40% already includes SNL’s crowd and Letterman’s. Who cares?

All she has to do is move 5% back to the GOP column and she’s POTUS and gets the western states and eastern red states back and probably Iowa. I think it will be a huge win because Obama is a disaster and Palin running the campaign will be much better.

I don’t see as many Obama stickers anymore. People are regretting it.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Based, of course, on an army that had moved far past “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Well, you’re in the wrong thread. We’re talking about Sarah Palin and how great she will be if she decides to run.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM

It always amazes me how much of the Left’s brainwashing conservatives actually internalize. According to the Left, she is simply unelectable because of her high negatives with independents. According to the Left, she can only appeal to the rabid right-wing evangelical base of the party. The Frums, Parkers and Noonans join this chorus and wring their hands at the folly of even thinking of nominating someone like Palin.

Then there are the competitors, like Huckabee and Romney who, through their pet pundits, urge the unelectability meme out of pure self-interest.

The reason Ronald Reagan eventually became President is because he understood that the American people will ultimately cut through the crap thrown by the Left — whether due to the mask slipping off the opposition or their policies eventually ripping the mask completely off, which is occurring as we speak.

Palin will reintroduce herself to the public through her book and her public appearances. My guess is she will be better selling herself to independents than she was at selling McCain to conservatives.

Mongo Mere Pawn on October 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM

While some of the Palin naysayers are looking for their “perfect” candidate (good luck with that) I will continue to support a Reagan Republican/real conservative over any RINO version 2.0 or the next guy who thinks it’s his turn (Dole, McCain, etc.). If she decides not to run, OK, I’ll cope, but I won’t vote for anything less than her level of conservatism and dedication to constitutional principles.

SKYFOX on October 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM

I don’t claim to be able to define a “moderate” but if someone tells me they are a moderate and voted for Obama I don’t see how they could be considered serious about ideas, issues, the future, their kids, their country or anything except the empties of concepts, Hope and Change for the sake of Hope and Change.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Mongo Mere Pawn on October 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Spot on + 1000!!!

Tim Zank on October 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM

We have one of those: Proud Rino.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Way off base. Sarah can win by doing 2 things.

Talk to all Americans.
Be a leader and don’t play it safe.

The election won’t be won by appealing to moderates. It will be won by being the most competent candidate who can communicate the best ideas for the future.

huckleberryfriend on October 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

well said. If those things can’t win the day with the American voter then its all over and moderates don’t matter — the people with the best aim will be the ones to side with.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Based, of course, on an army that had moved far past “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Well, you’re in the wrong thread. We’re talking about Sarah Palin and how great she will be if she decides to run.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM

So, now that you mention it, with 56% of Americans supporting allowing gays to serve openly in the military (a figure that will continue to rise) and that figure, of course, disproportionately representing people beyond her base, how will Ms. ‘cuda negotiate the marriage rights, DADT and other related issues? The divisive, hard-line approach of Bush Cheney, or the moderate approach of Barack Obama, who will surely have ended DADT once he gets as many Blue Dogs past 2010? How does she approach one without alienating the other?

Let me see the inner moderate.

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 3:09 PM

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM

There are a lot of “proud RINOs” and they are useless.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 3:09 PM

She’ll talk about the huge budget deficits under Obama and the national debt that is killing their children

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 2:56 PM

First off, unless she has a plan to reduce the national debt, its not a winning issue for anyone. Secondly, the national debt hasn’t killed anyone’s child. That’s an enormously silly thing to say when you’re trying to make a political point.

ernesto on October 15, 2009 at 3:10 PM

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM
There are a lot of “proud RINOs” and they are useless.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Agreed.

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Palin gets a chance to reintroduce herself to moderate GOP and independent voters during the 2010 campaign cycle, which also will combine with the personal popularity of Obama and his programs.

If you go back to the 1970s, there was a large segement of moderates and independents who wouldn’t vote for Ronald Reagan if he had been on the national ballot in 1976. Or 1977. Or 1978. Or 1979. But by 1980, Carter had done so many things wrong and the nation appeared to be so screwed up in both domestic and foreign policy, that the “Stop Reagan” attempt with John Anderson’s third party candidacy fell apart in the final two weeks of the ’80 election, as people decided that, despite what the Democrats and the big media were telling them, they’d rather take a chance with Reagan than go four more years with Carter.

That’s the situation Palin will face if she runs in 2012. She has to work at lowering the threshold at which moderates say they’ll vote for her, while at the same time Obama has to increase his negatives to the point that those swing voters come ’12 would rather take a chance on Sarah than four more years of Barack. As with Reagan, it’s not going to be easy given all the negative spin, and if she wins it’s going to be close at least until the final weeks, but the Reagan-Cater paralell is what the Palin people should be looking at if they plan to challenge Obama.

jon1979 on October 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Get on topic. Are you that easily disoriented?

DarkCurrent on October 15, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Wonder is Txag92 is old enough to have been around when Reagan ran unsuccessfully in the 1960′s or 1970′s? I was a kid then, but from reading what people at the time said, it was said numerous times that Reagan was “unelectable” also. How did that turn out?

To say she is or isn’t with such frequency and certainty 3 years out is laughable. Neither of us really knows if she is or not, though you are entitled to your opinion.

ReaganConservative3 on October 15, 2009 at 3:16 PM

It’s hard to see why people cant see her for what she is. She’s a very nice woman, good mom and wife, great on energy policy and a good governor. Beyond that, she’d get McGovern numbers if she ran for President at best.

She has shown not a hint of what Reagan had in terms of an established and very well read base of policies, core values and ideas, please stop comparing them.

Dash on October 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM

well said. If those things can’t win the day with the American voter then its all over and moderates don’t matter — the people with the best aim will be the ones to side with.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Yep. Keep the right vision and persuade the middle. If that doesn’t work, let it burn baby and then get that piece of land in Kentucky where you can be more self-sufficient before the riots and rebellions start.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM

…she was tapped as a running mate by the most moderate moderate to ever moderate his way to a crushing electoral defeat, John McCain.

Republicans win when they run as conservatives.

Period.

N. O'Brain on October 15, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Why should Palin be such a hard sell for moderate voters?

Because you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Palin was introduced to America as John McCain’s gimmick-token-female running mate. Her candidacy seemed to be a cynical attempt to woo Hillary supporter with identity politics. Palin could have ameliorated that by distinguishing herself in interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric, but she failed.

Independent voters won’t take her seriously until she demonstrates a vast intellect that dispels the “I can see Russia from my house” image. Certainly, lefties treated her unfairly, but her image problem with independents is largely of her own making.

Enrique on October 15, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Dash on October 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM

And your dream candidate is?

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 3:21 PM

ernesto on October 15, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I meant killing their financial future you ‘big dope’.

Ernesto, you’ve been trolling her for how long and still playing stupid games.

Obamacare will kill children literally through abortion and rationed care via the Zeke’s chart.

Sapwolf on October 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Republicans win when they run as conservatives.

Period.

N. O’Brain on October 15, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Ding. Ding. Ding. WINNER!

HornetSting on October 15, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Without resorting to the talking points of the DNC or their pet media group, the MSM, perhaps you can explain why she isn’t electable.

johnsteele on October 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM

txag92 isn’t one to resort to DNC or MSM talking points.

Perhaps he/she will return to elaborate. In the meantime, calm down.

DarkCurrent on October 15, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Get on topic. Are you that easily disoriented?

DarkCurrent on October 15, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Topic is how to sell Palin to moderates. I want to know how she’s going to deal with an issue that played well with conservatives in the past but has moved against them recently.

I mean, it’s easy to say “republicans win when they run as conservatives,” or “when they promise to balance the budget” (good luck selling that). I want to hear how you’ll play a wedge issue in ways that bring moderates into the fold.

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM

If, as you say, Obama ends DADT, then it won’t be possible to reinstate it. There will be gays serving in the military when the next President is elected into office. Therefore your desire to know how she will handle this is a moot point.

ladyingray on October 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I like Zero. I wish Michelle would dump Allah Idiot and make him fulltime. Allah Idiot brings this site down.

revolution on October 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Gays in the military is not even close to the most pressing issue for the President of the United States. She should simply say she agrees with DADT (assumming she does) and move on to serious issues. Like the long-term security of the United States, for example.

DarkCurrent on October 15, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Independent voters won’t take her seriously until she demonstrates a vast intellect that dispels the “I can see Russia from my house” image. Certainly, lefties treated her unfairly, but her image problem with independents is largely of her own making.

Enrique on October 15, 2009 at 3:20 PM

That vast intellect of Obama is working out so well right now isn’t it. Independents are running away from Obama in droves.

When Palin starts to speak on her terms, much of that Tina Fey crap will become irrelevant w/ swing voters.

davek70 on October 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM

DarkCurrent on October 15, 2009 at 3:41 PM

You are forgetting that the long-term security of the United States isn’t even on the radar for liberals. They are only concerned with social issues.

ladyingray on October 15, 2009 at 3:44 PM

You are forgetting that the long-term security of the United States isn’t even on the radar for liberals. They are only concerned with social issues.

ladyingray on October 15, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Exactly. They’re apparently most concerned with how to create social chaos by pushing low-priority issues like gays in the military up front and center.

DarkCurrent on October 15, 2009 at 3:58 PM

So, let me see if I have this right. The leftist in the media spout lie after lie after lie about Sara, file false charges of malfeasance in office against her, the leftie talk and commedy (hah!) shows pillory her night after night, and good moderate Allah Pundit believes all this poison and finds her poisonous. What a maroon. He will be the reason I de-bookmark hot air when I have finally had enough. Btw, please, let’s not have an athiest blogging on about evolution and creationism. He seems to have a lot of baggage in that area.

TimothyJ on October 15, 2009 at 4:03 PM

What did she ever say, or do, to send these enlightened, open-minded moderates stampeding for the hills?

I know the answer to this question: she attacked Barack Obama. The moment she did, she became known as “that woman” to the Obama fan club.

You wouldn’t think that would matter so much to liberal Republicans, at least, but apparently it does. Besides, they see their grip on the Republican party slipping away every time crowds turn out to see her.

tom on October 15, 2009 at 4:04 PM

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