Senate committee confirms Baucus plan will lower wages
posted at 2:10 pm on October 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The Joint Congressional Committee on Taxation has analyzed the excise tax in the Baucus plan and come to the logical conclusion that it will raise prices for insurance policies. In two letters issued yesterday, the JCT acknowledged that the increased premium costs for health-insurance plans that qualify for the excise tax will increase costs to employers offering them, depressing wages directly or indirectly as a result, depending on whether they impose the total cost increase on employees. The second letter demonstrates that the effect of the Baucus plan and its disappearing subsidies on lower-income workers is to force them into a higher tax bracket, disincentivizing gains in employment.
First, let’s look at the impact the Baucus plan has on effective marginal tax rates for Americans:

If that looks a little regressive to you, you’re not alone.
The JCT also offered this analysis of the impact the plan will have on wages:
Many employers share the cost of the insurance they provide with their employees; that is, the employer pays some portion of the insurance premium, and the employee pays for some portion. To the extent that the increased cost of the insurance policy is paid by the employer, we would expect that to exert downward pressure on wages paid by the employer. To the extent that the increased premium cost is paid through the employee share, the added cost of the excise tax can be expected to reduce consumer demand for high cost insurance products. Over time, the downward pressure on wages attributable to the employer share of the increased cost would also reduce consumer demand for high-cost insurance products.
The problem with that is the definition of “high cost insurance products”. The JCT is not talking about the upper 5% of health-care plans, not even in the initial year. In the first year of the tax, the JCT predicts that 11% of all plans will be subject to the excise tax. By 2019, the JCT predicts that a third of all policies will carry that tax, increasing costs and depressing wages in one form or another.
This also points out the earlier fallacy of the excise tax. The JCT explicitly notes that the higher costs will drive people away from these policies. That will have the effect of putting more costs on the insured through higher co-pays and fewer covered choices. However, the big problem for the Baucus plan is that it will also reduce the expected revenue from this tax, which means that it will fail to cover the costs and remain deficit neutral, even in the short term.
Baucus offers the US a broad-based, expensive disaster. It produces lower wages and higher costs instead of the other way around. Who wants to support that kind of outcome?
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Well that’s great! Lower wages mean that the people who work will be closer in income to the people who don’t work. And isn’t that really what freedom is all about?
hawksruleva on October 14, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Obama’s plan to destroy the classes and make us all into a needy, begging, dependent of the Government is getting exposed.
portlandon on October 14, 2009 at 2:15 PM
This is what spreading the wealth around looks like.
gwelf on October 14, 2009 at 2:15 PM
History calls.
lorien1973 on October 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Sweet. I can expect a decrease in my tiny teacher salary.
My school pays ~95% or so of a family policy. I pay about $67/month.
That is going to end soon I’m sure.
Since I’m looking at splitting from this dictator joint-it’s public screwl you know-quitting next year and going to another school that is more work environment friendly sounds like a finer idea bcs originally I was thinking of staying in this pesthole bcs of the med ins benefit, but since that’s going to get blown out of the water, I’m gonna take a pay cut anyhow so might as well leave for greener pastures anyway!
What a load off of my mind.
Badger40 on October 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM
Vashta.Nerada on October 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM
The only way we can acheieve peace, you know, is if we are all in the same financial boat.
Communist Russia looks better all the time.
Badger40 on October 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM
“Change has come to America!”
“Redistributive” change.
Can I wake up from this nightmare yet?
NTWR on October 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM
txt much?
SnowSun on October 14, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Ship of Fools…
PatriotRider on October 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM
And don’t forget that the punitive cuts in Medicare payments will drive doctors out of the profession, or at least force them to lower the wages of their employees and restrict spending.
Then, we’ll be left with the doctors who are smart enough to game the system and commit fraud.
Nice going, Max. You’re a slimeball and a disgrace.
MrScribbler on October 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Another Congessional Snowe Job!
chickasaw42 on October 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Susan Collins says she will vote for ObamaCare too.
SHOCKING!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091014/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul
angryed on October 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Obama?
Daggett on October 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM
The largest cost of free health care is not the health care, but that people will just stop working. We will no longer have the productivity advantage over Europe, but we will have the larger cost of being more spread out. The USA will be as prosperous as Latin America.
pedestrian on October 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM
I am slowly coming to the conclusion that it should all crater….everything,…government, financial, employment, economy…everything. Then we can, as Glenn Beck says “re-found” America. Because it seems that nothing will dislodge the statist thinking in DC, both Republican and Democrat.
There I’ve said it….now I feel better.
PatriotRider on October 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM
13 Democrats and one RINO on the Senate Finance Committee. What I want is for them to defend themselves. They voted for this. Let that partisan whore from Maine get out in front of the cameras and defend her vote for lower wages and higher taxes. She was so adamant that this is the right thing to do, let her stand by her actions. Ditto her sob sister colleague who came out today in support of this crap.
highhopes on October 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM
People who hate Americans
DamnCat on October 14, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Barry and the Statists.
farright on October 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Snowe is just doing this to get attention. She may or may not actually vote for this new entitlement program when she realizes that insurance companies saying this plan will increase premiums, they aren’t lying. She can hate them, but in the end, their numbers are solid.
I wouldn’t be mad at Snowe for this vote. It wasn’t that important. It is very early and the bill they actually vote on won’t be anything nearly like this. This vote was to move the bill toward the inevitable epic fail.
ThackerAgency on October 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Crappy ringtone
SouthernGent on October 14, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I wish that I could be so optimistic.
farright on October 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM
That’s very nihilistic but I feel the same way. Dangerous stuff.
NTWR on October 14, 2009 at 2:29 PM
The trouble with liberals is pretty much summed up by the first chapter of Hazlitt’s “Economics In One Lesson,” the full text of which is I believe online somewhere. The bottom line is that they have absolutely no ability (or desire) to trace the long term effect of an economic policy. It’s as if they’ve decided that basic logic is an inconvenience to the progressive cause.
Sharke on October 14, 2009 at 2:29 PM
I want to know: Adm. wants the public to be aware of the costs of medical care and restrain overuse and abuse of same. Then they propose total coverage on every aspect of medical care and to lower deductibles and co-pays. They lower the percent of payment for medical services so that the uninsured and the insurance companies both pay a higher amount for medical care to help support Medicare/Medicaid. Then they want to do away with the uninsured and the insurance companies and cut back on Medicare/Medicaid payments. Do none of them realize what they are doing or do they believe the public is so dumb they won’t realize what has happened until they are no longer in office.
Oleta on October 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Ed, are you suggesting Utopia isn’t a viable concept?
mankai on October 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM
The game is afoot.
WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM
This administration wont be happy until everyone of the American Citizens is on the government payroll.
They know what’s best for us and our families. We’re too stupid to know what’s best. I know how this is how they think.
Brat4life on October 14, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Okay as much as I’m into Snowe Bashing… Would there really be any difference today if she hadn’t voted with them? We’d still be in the same situation.
Sure, The Republicans would be all in alignment and Obama couldn’t tout his “bipartisanship” (as if 1 vote = bipartisanship)…
But does Snowe get some negotiating rights out of this?
Skywise on October 14, 2009 at 2:32 PM
I cant see it very well, but does that chart have the combined tax rate on the family of 4 only making $34K at 59%? Please tell me I am mis-reading that.
Johnnyreb on October 14, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Here’s the kicker….I’ve always been an optimist, and still am today.
PatriotRider on October 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Mankai, I know it qualifies me for the Politically Correct
Re-educationHappy Camps, but yeah, color me skeptical.Ed Morrissey on October 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Just raise the minimum wage.
“This msg brought to you by the committee to kill small business”
bcre8v on October 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Lower wages? Sounds like Freedom. – Bleeds Blue
lorien1973 on October 14, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Iceberg dead ahead!
rjoco1 on October 14, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Snowe’s vote made sense as the first of 4 (we have a LONG way to go, folks — reconciling 3 House bills, 2 Senate bills and then the House-Senate conference!).
Collins’ “vote” makes no damned sense at all; the bill’s only going to get worse.
“Uh, me too!” Thanks, Susan.
DrSteve on October 14, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Those who are willing to accept the idea that any bill is better than no bill, namely, those that just want to see a bill for Obama to sign. It’s the symbolism, not the content, that matters with these people.
ICBM on October 14, 2009 at 2:38 PM
“I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
– Barack Obama
John the Libertarian on October 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM
I have had it. If these a**holes think they are going to raise the cost of my insurance and raise my taxes to pay for it, they have another thing coming. I will opt out and pay the fine. No problem, if I get sick I can run by the DMV and sign up.
bopbottle on October 14, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Reminds me of my Sociology professor in 1986… his definition of Socialism “A system in which all citizens are equal”… I added “yeah, equally poor” … to which he added his thoughts on how happy the people in Eastern Europe were despite Reagan’s lies (blah blah blah)…
I couldn’t find him in 1989.
mankai on October 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM
News flash-Medicare payments to doctors on certain medications have been cut effective immediately. The payments from Medicare now will be less than what the drugs cost the doctors to buy. Okay, let’s count the ways this will affect healthcare…
2L8 on October 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Costs are obviously going to increase for those of us paying taxes, the scary part for me is SEIU taking over medical care!
Ever get waited on by one of those airline ticket agents too busy talking to her neighbor to actually help you, or the Dept. Motor Vehicle gal that thinks her uniform gives her immunity to incompetency?
Well what if you need an IV filled or a pain med administered or help to the restroom and its’ time for SEIU nurse Rachets break, You Wait!
I’m scheduled for surgery the day before Thanksgiving so I don’t miss so much work. Do SEIU Doctors work the day before Thanksgiving or just do a 1/2 assed job to get home to their turkey.
If ya think costs will increase and I do, you can bet your ass healthcare service, quality and access will decline.
In Pinnochio’s America that is redistributing the wealth Keep The Effin Change …. LIAR!
dhunter on October 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Not anymore. She, in theory, had some influence shaping the Senate Finance Committee bill but unless the filthy liar and his corrupt party are in need of GOP renegade votes from liberals like Snowe, Collins, McCain, etc. Her days of being the queen bee are over.
highhopes on October 14, 2009 at 2:42 PM
“Stupid is as stupid does”
Forrest Gump
MES401067 on October 14, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Don’t forget tonsils and forskins.
farright on October 14, 2009 at 2:43 PM
I, for one, am not going to be the only thing between and SEIU doctor and a holiday weekend.
highhopes on October 14, 2009 at 2:43 PM
And Congress. They don’t care, as they are not affected by it, at least not until there are no doctors left, then they will feel it too. Be careful what you wish for Dems.
Susanboo on October 14, 2009 at 2:44 PM
We’ve already struck the iceberg. Too many people are in a state of denial about that, and think reason will somehow prevail just because it is reason.
Meanwhile, Osama Obama and the traitors in Congress have grabbed all the lifeboats for themselves.
Their work will be complete when all of us — save the corrupt totalitarians — live like the Chicago Jesus’s brother.
MrScribbler on October 14, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Well, there IS a way around this…
All the employer has to do is, hire fewer people.
Then, everyone’s happy,
right?
franksalterego on October 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM
59% marginal tax rate! And this doesn’t even include state taxes.
What if the wife was looking for a job outside the home, the extra taxes and cost of daycare could easily exceed the additional income.
agmartin on October 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I love the assumptions in the fine print. Married, w/2 kids taking the standard deductions.
What if you have 2 incomes, have no kids and take zero deductions and your household income is more than the number quoted for this mythical family?
My tax rate is already around 45% because my husband and I failed to procreate, own a home and work hard for a living.
So is this telling me that we should sell everything and go work for McDonalds? Sweet jesus.
KrisinNE on October 14, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Should be “Federal Poverty Level” in the Exhibit, no?
DrSteve on October 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Seems like the only way to clean up the sewer.
BTW, I haven’t watched Beck’s 5pm show so I haven’t heard him mention the refounders. Has he gained more than the two he claims so far or did that die off?
VibrioCocci on October 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM
There are two intrinsic problems with our Healthcare system (neither being addressed adequately in the “debate.”) They are:
- not enough “health”
- not enough “care”
discuss! :)
max1 on October 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM
This morning on the news, an unscientific poll was done, by a Maine newspaper. Overwhelmingly, the people of her state are very unhappy with her decision. This had better be a message she heeds.
This is what I don’t get? How many democrats have to come, and go in office, before the middle class gets it? THEY ARE NOT OUT TO HELP US, OR MAKE IT BETTER FOR US!!! They just want our votes, and will tell us what we want to hear. Thank God I’m smart enough to see thru this smoke screen. No Democrat has ever helped anyone, they’ve espoused to help. The poor, after billions apon billions has been funneled their way to help them, and they are still poor. Because the democrats want, and like it that way, and they want more of us in that boat.
capejasmine on October 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM
Time to buy more ammo and send Sarah a donation!
Politicians:
Don’t mess with news organizations that buy ink by the barrell, or
citizens that buy ammo by the case!
dhunter on October 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM
There are
twothree intrinsic problems with our Healthcare system (neither being addressed adequately in the “debate.”) They are:- not enough “health”
- not enough “care”
- too many “lawyers”
Susanboo on October 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Susanboo on October 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM
yes that too Sue-boo!
max1 on October 14, 2009 at 2:56 PM
…and by “history”, I mean “number 2″.
DaveS on October 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM
A bunch of Idiots trying to make decisions for us!
It’s time for Hussein and his Posse of Clowns to get the HE!! out of our lives!
BigMike252 on October 14, 2009 at 3:11 PM
I agree. This is why they want high unemployment right now. This is why they revel in the bleak economic outlook right now. Big Daddy Government will make it aaallll better.
Soon as they get the ball rolling on this $hit sandwich, stand by for that $6 a gallon gas Ogabe thinks is so wonderful…get us all driving Government Motors go-carts.
BigWyo on October 14, 2009 at 3:12 PM
And what does it say about the intellectual honesty (or capacity, for that matter) of someone who *does* support it?
I’m so exasperated with libs that I know and talk to who can look at the mountains of evidence that this kind of thing will happen, and they don’t believe it, and/or simply don’t care.
Midas on October 14, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Good luck trying to buy ammo by the case these days.
From what I hear, the supply is just starting to come back, and now bloomy’s mentally ill criminals are prowling around gunshows, trying to expose a non-existent loophole and CA wants to register ammo.
That will just reconfirm that the Statists can’t abide an armed citizenry.
Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Then you’re double screwed.
angryed on October 14, 2009 at 3:15 PM
I’m not saying this is worth it (the budget studies), because they are. But trying to discuss this with friends and family to show them what is really being proposed is so frustrating. people just don’t want to understand it. “Reform just sounds good” to them. Uggggh.
nolapol on October 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM
You conservatives know nothing….this is why health care is needed, because fewer people will be able to afford it.
right2bright on October 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM
All of the middle class should get a tattoo on their back saying “wipe your feet here”….
We are way beyond the “kick me” sign…
right2bright on October 14, 2009 at 3:21 PM
What makes you think they’ll be SEIU. Somehow I don’t think they will see this as a service but more like industry and will be under the UAW. In which case you still wont want to be there the day before a holiday.
nolapol on October 14, 2009 at 3:24 PM
After hearing that idiot woman in Detroit that was interviewed while standing in line for stimulus money, is it any wonder that the Dems are getting away with pushing this crap down our throats?
Many of these voters don’t even know that the money being handed out to them came from the taxpayers. They think there is a pot at the end of the rainbow, and little green leprechauns are giving out the gold to Obama and he is passing it on to them!
I guess they believe leprechauns are funding the health care also. Amazing and sad how ignorant much of our electorate is.
Susanboo on October 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM
They think there is a pot at the end of the rainbow, and little
greenwhite leprechauns are giving out the gold to Obama and he is passing it on to them!Susanboo on October 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM
fixed it for ya!
max1 on October 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM
The Soviet Union would be proud. Nice job Snowe job!
twit.
FontanaConservative on October 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM
- We tell them no and they say that they know what’s best for us.
- They want everybody covered, but their plan leaves 25million of the current 30million uncovered and manages to raise the cost of everybody who’s already covered. WTF?
- Have of them say public option and half say no public option.
- We have 10% unemployment and they intend to raise taxes next year
Are these idiots mad? When, in God’s name, are the Washington elites going to stop this circle jerk? When are the sheeple of this country going to stop re-electing them?
orlandocajun on October 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM
max1 on October 14, 2009 at 3:33 PMLOL! :)
Susanboo on October 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Sen Mark Warner’s staffer told me yesterday that Obamacare would provide more health insurance for more people for less cost to everyone.
I told her that she was wrong. she was miffed.
these Senators want to destroy us.
kelley in virginia on October 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM
A shame History didn’t get a “I’m sorry, that number is no longer in service” message…
karl9000 on October 14, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Does the RNC have an answer to Snowe Job or to open primaries in northeastern staes that pick our presidential candidates?
NO
Until they do my money goes to Sarah, Joe Wilson and any other politician that has the balls to stand up and call bullsh.. wether it offends some punkass Rino like McCain or his good friends in the media or not.
We’ve got to take this country back one Commie sympathizer at a time.
dhunter on October 14, 2009 at 3:40 PM
And on top of all of that, there is this:
My question is: Is this the “Law of Unintended Consequences”…. Or did they expect it from the beginning and make it “not a bug, but a feature”?
LegendHasIt on October 14, 2009 at 4:07 PM
I nominate this comment as the theme for the GOP in 2010, 2012, 2014, etc….
And, as comment of the month.
BobMbx on October 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Today, there are 50,000 really smart kids across this country who, up until now, had planned on going to med school. Now, this same promising group of individuals will shift their focus in a different direction–be it business, law, engineering or somewhere else. 15 years from now, these 50,000 people will not be operating on your knee, diagnosing your breast cancer, delivering your baby, giving you a new heart valve or curing your skin ailment. Nope, they just won’t be there.
In their place you ask? Well, a bright, but not nearly as qualified medical practicioner who is skilled, but not a physician will serve as a physician extender. Someone who can diagnose, prescribe limited medications and who serves under a physician–but does not nearly have the equivalent training. The cost? Nearly impossible to see at the outset, but the gradual degradation of quality, speed, professionalism and a dulling of the cutting edge of the medical profession. Gone will be the incentives to become a pediatric eye surgeon, a neonatal care physician, a tumor specialist. The general practicioner will now become increasingly more encumbered with the management of acute and chronic diseases that he/she could previously refer to a specialist. Providers will be spread an inch deep and a mile wide.
Who will profit? Complementary medicine specialists and innovative providers in very short supply will deliver miracles here and there.
Who will suffer? The old, the sick, the young will increasingly languish where they previously thrived. They’ll continue to march on in silence, just as they have for centuries–they’ll be politicized, victimized or cast off just as others have been before. Gone will be the incentives to work harder in medicine—because, when it all pays the same, why work harder….?
History is calling alright, SEN Snowe…. For those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.
ted c on October 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Sorry about the strike through!
Susanboo on October 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Susanboo on October 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM
i used to know someone named sue boo
ted c on October 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM
One of those historical ironies.
If the Titanic hadn’t tried to dodge the iceberg, it wouldn’t have sunk.
If they had crashed into the berg headlong, they would have destroyed the bow, and quite possibly made the ship unsalvageable, but the only section that would have flooded would have been the bow.
Attempting to dodge the iceberg, resulted in a scrape that allowed water into the first 5 water tight compartments. This was enough water to pull the bow down far enough, that water was able to slosh over to top of the water tight barriers into successive compartments, dooming the ship.
With just the bow flooded, the Titanic would have ridden bow down, but would not have sunk.
Not saying that this has any bearing on our current problems, but it is an interesting irony.
MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Sure it does. It is summed up in the adage that when you’ve dug yourself in a hole, the first step is to stop digging. Under this corrupt administration and out-of-control Congress, we have not only to continued to dig but we’ve replaced the ordinary hand shovel with earth moving equipment.
highhopes on October 14, 2009 at 6:13 PM
“Hello, who is this?”
“History.”
“Sorry, wrong number.”
*click*
I hate it when history calls. And it is always… ALWAYS… collect.
ajacksonian on October 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM
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