Russian security advisor: We reserve the right to nuke you preemptively
posted at 6:12 pm on October 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
Just a little follow-up to Ed’s post earlier, tracking the progress of The One’s global disarmament efforts.
Hey — the committee did say that Nobel was aspirational.
In an interview published today in Izvestia, Nikolai Patrushev, the secretary of the Kremlin’s security council, said the new doctrine offers “different options to allow the use of nuclear weapons, depending on a certain situation and intentions of a would-be enemy. In critical national security situations, one should also not exclude a preventive nuclear strike against the aggressor.”
What’s more, Patrushev said, Russia is revising the rules for the employment of nukes to repel conventionally armed attackers, “not only in large-scale, but also in a regional and even a local war.”
Gulp. If I were in Georgia — or in any other country Russia considers part of its sphere of influence — that formulation would make me pretty anxious…
In the interview, he takes a swipe at the United States and NATO, saying that the alliance “continues to press for the admission of new members to NATO, the military activities of the bloc are intensifying, and U.S. strategic forces are conducting intensive exercises to improve the management of strategic nuclear weapons.”
“The military activities of the bloc are intensifying”? After Obama just pulled long-range missile defense out of Poland and the Czech Republic? The oddest thing about this isn’t Moscow’s willingness to nuke its neighbors — I’ve always taken that as a given, even though none of them could ever conceivably threaten Russia — but the fact that they’re willing to rattle their saber so soon after The One made a major concession to them. Are they trying to make him turn hawkish? Because that’s what’s going to happen, whether he wants it to or not, if foreign policy somehow becomes a key issue in 2012. Why not string him along for a bit and see if they can milk a few more concessions out of him? Who knows? He might be willing to yank eastern European missile defense entirely if they play ball on Iran.
Well, at least we know it can’t get much worse. Or can it?
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Say hello to Mr. Bear.
Have fun with that ‘reset’ button, Dear Leader.
CPT. Charles on October 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Go Jawbone that Russian security advisor Obama. Tell him you have a plan and that he doesn’t need to read it. Mind the fact that the plan will never be put onto paper. Just tell him what you need to sway him and if he is reticent, then impugn him and call him too stupid to know what is good for him.
That is how democracies work right? All I have is my experience in the USA the past 12 months to guide me.
daesleeper on October 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Hey, this is Bambi. He may talk hawk but he’ll fly dove. The Russians have already figured that out.
PackerBronco on October 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
You call him a killer. He’s a professional fighter, not a killer. We are getting death threats. We are not involved in politics. All I want is for my husband to be safe, and to be treated fairly. You have this belief that you are better than us. You have this belief that this country is so very good and we are so very bad. You have this belief that you are so fair and we are so very cruel.
Nicoli Koloff: It’s all lies and false propaganda to support this antagonistic and violent government.
Paulie: Whoa. Violent? Hey, we don’t keep our people behind a wall with machine guns.
Nicoli Koloff: Who are you?
Paulie: Who am I? I’m the unsilent majority, bigmouth.
Fishy.Gov on October 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Worst part is, Hillary went over there to meet with Putin. He declined. And instead held a press conference about wanting a singing competition with the Chinese.
Yipes. Respect her authoritah!
lorien1973 on October 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Sure glad we got rid of that Eastern Europe missile shield huh Barry?
portlandon on October 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM
In the face of a Russia willing to use nukes preemptively….Obama will offer more concessions.
It isn’t the results of the talking to another nation, it is the mere fact of talking to another country that is all important from an Obama perspective. It is all about intentions and appearing to be conciliatory…never about results. Can’t have results when you vote “present.”
Thus…to use a well-worn phrase…we are so screwed.
coldwarrior on October 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM
The Russians know how to play the game, and they aren’t messing around.
LOL. What are you smoking these days, allah? You still just don’t understand The Precedent. Not one bit.
Oy.
progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Oh, it can get worse alright…
bernzright777 on October 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM
geepers
I just can’t see that happening…he is what he is, a pansy ‘can’t we all get along’ type of guy, no fire in the belly except when it comes to fox news…
cmsinaz on October 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Barack is going to wee wee about this! Hope he’s not wearing a dark suit!
Cybergeezer on October 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Russia paranoia can never be assuaged.
It’s bottomless.
SteveMG on October 14, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Bambi meets Bear. Kumbayah, Mr. Bear. Please be nice to me or I will community organize you.
petefrt on October 14, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Because the Russians know they are going to get tons more concessions out of The Precedent. The Precedent is LOOKING to give the US away. The Precedent wants to weaken the US more than the Russians do. When will you understand this? The Precedent wants our nation to BURN – more than the Russians do. You’ll see.
progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM
They know oboobi is a big pu_ _y, There gonna push the u.s as far as they can. And given this administrations track record so far, that’s a long way.
SHARPTOOTH on October 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM
What’s funny is the Russians would never walk all over a President Palin the way they stomp all over Obama’s lame ass.
They know she has balls.
They also know Obama doeesn’t.
darwin on October 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM
That may well be Obama’s spin…but the reality is always different from his campaign spiel. I am at a loss how anybody could look at what this guy has done, thus far, and conclude he would ever use force, under any circumstances…and no, Afghanistan doesn’t count…it was a pre-existing condition that he’s already floundering on.
AUINSC on October 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Sounds like the Russians are not very impressed by the Nobel One or the empty pantsuit.
farright on October 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Russia to Obambi: “Hey kid, pull my finger.”
fogw on October 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.
pwn3d
Ordinary1 on October 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Obama can see Russia from his knees.
Jim Treacher on October 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
Wait a few weeks until winter starts to set in Europe, then watch Russia pull the plug on gas to the Ukraine….and others.
Before you know it Putin will have Obama paying to rebuild the Iron Curtain…and then they will trick Hillary into pushing the new “Reset” button which “accidentally” launches the first tactical nuke missile toward Georgia or other location.
albill on October 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM
True believers will just blow this off as bluster.
aikidoka on October 14, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Hey libs…it’s so nice that cowboy’s not in office anymore.
SHARPTOOTH on October 14, 2009 at 6:23 PM
I better start to learn russian…along with spanish..I want to join the WINNING SIDE!!
dosvedanya yanqui capitalist dogs
right4life on October 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM
When Blitzer’s zipper isn’t blocking this view.
fogw on October 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
glasnost.
bluelightbrigade on October 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
I can’t believe this is happening. That is what you get when you vote for a naive, inexperienced community organiszer. Odumbo has been poked in the eye so many times in nine months, now they are rubbing his nose in it.
rjoco1 on October 14, 2009 at 6:25 PM
our potus is a prime bukake candidate for the russians.
what a schlemiel.
bluelightbrigade on October 14, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Something is clenched alright, don’t think its a fist tho.
Neo on October 14, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Ask yourself this. If you were Russia, what would you do? Obama is the best chance they have had to advance their agenda for a long, long time. Does anyone really expect them to not run with it?
MikeA on October 14, 2009 at 6:27 PM
He just won the Nobel for peace. There is no way he will be more aggressive and chance making the prize look like a mistake.
This move was announced right after he won the prize and I’m betting it was done so on purpose. Maybe they bribed the Nobel committee.
RagTag on October 14, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Or glass jaw, i.e. can’t take a hit.
MikeA on October 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
That belongs in a catalog of epic burns.
TheUnrepentantGeek on October 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I really don’t think Russia can make Obama turn hawkish, unless it be
chicken-hawkish.
Dhuka on October 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
The Russians need nukes to continue punching above their weight. These statements merely formalize what’s been known for a long time – that Russia, lacking the wherewithal to defend itself conventionally, has been nuclearizing its border defense. (Russia also happens to have developed a new warhead which it claims can be maneuvered evasively against terminal phase missile defenses.)
With a weak and retiring US superpower, or a US perceived that way, all sorts of dangers increase, of course, but Russian conventional military strength is still largely in tremendous decline, in some key areas, like its blue water navy, probably irreversibly in decline. In turn, despite the dangers, it means that Russia kind of likes a world in which nukes and terrorism/low-level warfare neutralize US advantages in conventional arms.
CK MacLeod on October 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
I didn’t vote for him so why do I have to suffer with the rest of you?
RagTag on October 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Oh, I missed that part…well, we are unilaterally disarming now, stopped all nuclear weapons research, etc…and yet somehow I feel it probably can get much worse with this administration.
AUINSC on October 14, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Holy Cow!!!!
fourdeucer on October 14, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Exactly
CWforFreedom on October 14, 2009 at 6:32 PM
i feel somehow safer under Obama’s regime.
/s
bluelightbrigade on October 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Me to and I don’t think we have seen anything yet. The goal is to remove the USA as a world power and while they have not done so yet they are working very hard to do so.
RagTag on October 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Pres. Obama won’t turn hawkish. He can’t. It would be tantamount to him admitting he was wrong and we know that’s not gonna happen.
I think the Russians read Obama pretty good.
suburbanite on October 14, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Better News: We’re going to allow Russians to inspect our nuclear sites. Yes, Russians will not be inspecting our nuclear sites. Hope’N'Change, baby!
amerpundit on October 14, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Don’t be foolish, they recognize who Obama is, they know him, they know his support.
They know that for him to get conservative support he would have to give up health care, ACORN, unions…they know him, they have studied him, and they have come to the same conclusion that most of us have.
He is weak, erratic, naive, afraid to make a mistake, afraid to make a stand, and he has no friends to back him up.
The military dislike him, we dislike him, no one trusts him…the problem is, Obama may over-react because he has no sense of history, and he doesn’t know how to engage.
right2bright on October 14, 2009 at 6:38 PM
I don’t think the Russian bear is too concerned about unicorn farts.
ICBM on October 14, 2009 at 6:39 PM
It may end up being true. How many of the first world nations care about the third world ones? If the USA is removed from the first world stage then it is likly that nobody will care about us and we will in fact be a lot safer. From outside forces that is. internally is another matter and I think in a few years we will be hard pressed to differentiate ourselves from the typical third world totalitarian hellhole.
RagTag on October 14, 2009 at 6:39 PM
And the answer is even simpler…historically Russian has never let an opportunity pass.
right2bright on October 14, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Yeah, but we got the Norwegians…
d1carter on October 14, 2009 at 6:40 PM
He doesn’t have to. He won.
RagTag on October 14, 2009 at 6:41 PM
They’re going to inspect OUR weapons? WTF?
Esthier on October 14, 2009 at 6:41 PM
In the words of Will Ferrell, “This presidentin is hard!”
AmericanUnderground on October 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Damn, I so need a t-shirt with that saying on it :)
nwpammy on October 14, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Time to learn to speak Russian; Barry is going to roll over and play dead.
redfoxbluestate on October 14, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Well, the more I think of it, the more Obama’s moves make sense here…As President of Earth, he feels it’s his duty to make sure the Russians properly counteract the US’s imperialist, aggressive instincts…a new era of peace and social justice is upon us, PBOH.
AUINSC on October 14, 2009 at 6:44 PM
My first thoughts on hearing this were that this must have been a parallel to the Bush Doctrine. Strike first if you’re going to be attacked.
This is… way… more open… We’ll nuke you if you tick us off…
Maybe if they gave the peace prize to Putin he would’ve changed his ways…
Skywise on October 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Yeah, this has nothing to do with the Bush Doctrine.
Moscow is talking about using nuclear weapons in even small, local wars because they piss the Russians off. They’re talking about using nukes like grenades.
amerpundit on October 14, 2009 at 6:46 PM
If he dies, he dies.
keep the change on October 14, 2009 at 6:49 PM
The bear has the boy just where they want him … And the boy hasn’t a clue.
tarpon on October 14, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Yeah but so what? The gigantic group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSFG) would have squashed the conventional forces of NATO if they had been ordered into battle during the Cold War. The most powerful American armies were confined to the US zone fo occupation, for political reasons, and didn’t face the most powerful Soviet Divisions. However the Iron Curtain border was nucelarised so there was no conventional armed struggle. What, aside from mass immigration, can threaten a country with nuclear defenses anyway?
aengus on October 14, 2009 at 6:55 PM
How Sarah Palin would handle the bear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU2R2rfnPW4
gary4205 on October 14, 2009 at 6:57 PM
There’s always the possibility that the Russian government if both trying to push Obama to see just how wimpy he actually is, while at the same time they remember that Carter was followed by Reagan, and if they don’t take advantage of America’s weakness right now they may get a far stronger president who won’t tolerate the same type of saber rattling after 2012.
jon1979 on October 14, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Why? Why? This reminds me of Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks… Also reminds me of the book The Ezekiel Option… The US president turns his back on Israel. Russia and Iran move to attack… Doesn’t end well…
CCRWM on October 14, 2009 at 6:58 PM
And the Secretary of pantsuits couldn’t even get an audience with Putin. How’s that reset button working out for you?
Nozzle on October 14, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Allahpundit wrote:
Or perhaps we are hearing the voice of utter contempt for now impotent trapped (formerly) useful idiots? With the West’s craven lack of resolve before genocidal Jihad, with Iran within reach of nukes and control over the Strait of Hormuz, with Israel isolated and maneuvered into a kill-zone by Pres. Obama’s foreign policy team, with impending hyperinflation and national bankruptcy …
.
As Caroline Glick wrote in the Jerusalem Post a year ago last September …
Our World: Your abortions or your lives!
By CAROLINE GLICK
Expect the Obama administration to become even more hystronic about its domestic critics.
Mike OMalley on October 14, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Barry Soetoro… Losing the Cold-War that Reagan won 20 years ago…
phreshone on October 14, 2009 at 7:01 PM
don’t the Joint Chiefs or any military types get to comment to the President. doesn’t anyone show him any satellite pictures (or have we given all of those to NK to re-launch as practice).
he might be a p*ssy, but doesn’t anyone at the WH see the facts?
kelley in virginia on October 14, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Russia is dragging Obama around by the gonads.
rplat on October 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM
nevermind, bambi doesn’t listen to McChrystal, & bambi is the one that put McC in charge of Afghanistan in the 1st place.
so bambi isn’t going to listen to anyone with a brain.
kelley in virginia on October 14, 2009 at 7:03 PM
AP, you’ve got it backwards, my friend. You think that the Russians could extract more concessions by playing nice with Obama. Russia thinks they can extract more concessions by saber-rattling.
I think they know Obama better than you do. Get tough with him, he backs down. Appeasement is what he does. I mean, he gave away missile defense in Eastern Europe and he can’t even get a commitment from Russia for sanctions on Iran. They are playing him like a fiddle.
JohnInCA on October 14, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Right out of the Nostradamus prophecies or at least as see by the History Channel.
RagTag on October 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM
I don’t like Barack Hussein Obama because his is gonna get me, my family and my country killed.
I slept very well under GWB’s watch. Terrorists killed, taxes low, economy growing.
Under Obama’s watch I’m fearful of terrorists, the economy, my taxes, my earnings, my security, my retirement plans.
To hell with this b-stard, I’m tired of being tired.
Andy in Agoura Hills on October 14, 2009 at 7:06 PM
But……but….. he is ashamed and must apologize for winning the cold war. Just think of this as cold war reparations.
RagTag on October 14, 2009 at 7:06 PM
… but to the American people, not so much.
Seven Percent Solution on October 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM
The Sov…er, Russians realize they need to act quickly to take advantage of a unique opportunity. If they wait for more unilateral concessions from Obama, they might not have time to restore the Sovi…er, Russian Empire before Obama gets tossed from office.
Even if Obama were to turn hawkish in the 2012 election cycle, a couple years of Soviet boots on the ground in Eastern Europe will be nearly impossible to dislodge.
steveegg on October 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Now you know why the only item from The Year of Freedom to be recognized 20 years later was the ChiCom crushing of said aspirations.
steveegg on October 14, 2009 at 7:11 PM
C’MON he won the Nobel Prize,
Russia would not attack us, now that “the world loves us more than ever”?
And he wants government healthcare, he can’t deal with issues like Russia.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/06/survey-us-admired/
A non-veiled threat toward Israel?
dthorny on October 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM
If you weren’t a Green Room contributor, that would be the Comment of the Day™
Ah, taheckwitchit; that is the Comment of the Day™.
steveegg on October 14, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I guess Russia isn’t feeling that Nobel Peace vibe.
mizflame98 on October 14, 2009 at 7:14 PM
They’re trying to make him look like an incompetent jackass but he’s outsmarted them.
He looked like an incompetent jackass long ago.
Let’s hit the “reset” button on the Obama “administration”.
NoDonkey on October 14, 2009 at 7:15 PM
smart power
rob verdi on October 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM
That’s what happens when you elect a to toddler play with the big boys.
scalleywag on October 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I’m starting to wonder if showing weakness to thugs only encourages them to continue acting like thugs. But how could that be? People are nice!
Blacklake on October 14, 2009 at 7:16 PM
The Bear not only walks in the woods, but he has been stretching his paws since Barry the Ineffectual has arrived on the stage.
onlineanalyst on October 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM
What could go wrong…?
Seven Percent Solution on October 14, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Wheres the love?!
So only America is falling for the color/racist crap?
Why doesn’t B.O cry racism? It seems to rattle America, let him try it with Russia,China,North Korea,Syria,Iran,…
christene on October 14, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Are the Russkies trying to give Obamao a teachable moment?
onlineanalyst on October 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM
He’s doin’ it wrong….
James on October 14, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Obama is going to get people killed.
A LOT of people.
wildcat84 on October 14, 2009 at 7:28 PM
John McCain looked in Putin’s eyes, and saw evil.
Putin looked in Obama’s eyes, and saw Erkel.
And laughed and laughed and laughed.
mrt721 on October 14, 2009 at 7:29 PM
I’ve interviewed Joel Rosenberg a few times. The scenario you lay out is based on the prophesies in Ezekiel 38 & 39. Russia and Iran and others (NOT Iraq) attack Israel and no one comes to Israel’s aid. The Battle of Gog and Magog is still sometime in the future. You can see how this may not be that far off… Read “Epicenter” by Joel Rosenberg.
Thank God for God. He wins the battle AND the war!
Ordinary1 on October 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM
More to the point.
CPT. Charles on October 14, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Satan’s working over time, I have a feeling it’s closer then we think, in a blink of an eye.
DITTO
christene on October 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM
I thought Jessee cut them off.
Oldnuke on October 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Eh. I doubt this. His rhetoric may turn hawkish, but if we’ve learned anything over the past year it’s that Obama is all talk and no action.
He’s leading us to some bad times ahead.
BakerAllie on October 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Why didn’t any bloggers call Obama out on this?
1. Obama said he didn’t ask Russia for any concession when pulling the missile system because he wasn’t going to let Russia dictate our policy.
2. When asked why he pulled the missile system he stated Russia’s consternation.
blink on October 14, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Can be dragged around by what you don’t have.
Mangy Scot on October 14, 2009 at 7:47 PM
The latest White House response to what is next for Afghanistan will be weeks away at best….
Weeks?
Meanwhile…what happens? Good people get killed. Our “allies” continue to see us as weak. Our enemies see us as without fortitude.
Jump forward to an event the Russians set up, in the Caucasus, the Balkans, in the Baltic, off our own shores from Cuba or Venezuela. Or China decides that their newly armed and modern trained military needs a quick victory to show how far they’ve come. We won’t have weeks to dither.
What happens? A lot more good people get killed, and/or we become part of a Russia-China fiefdom.
Obama once in a while talks a good game but he has no game.
Rational serious decisions are best based on experience and contact with the adversary at hand. Obama has neither. Russia knows this. China knows this. Unfortunately, way too many Americans have no clue, either.
Yes, bad times ahead. Unless we, Americans, put a stop to this. 2010 will be a watershed year in America. We either vote and put an end to the Dem-controlled Congress, and for the remaining two years of the Obama Administration put Obama in a very small place in governance, or, we allow the Dems to continue to control Congress, and allow Obama a ready alibi to continue his present course.
Bad times ahead…if we don’t put a stop to this.
coldwarrior on October 14, 2009 at 7:53 PM
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