Dems worried low turnout among black voters will lose them the House

posted at 3:40 pm on October 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Last year, Democrats sailed to their current majority of over 70 seats in the House, thanks to the coattails of Barack Obama, especially among African-American voters who turned out in record numbers.  In 2010, without Obama on the top of the ticket and with Democrats increasingly isolated on their agenda, that majority may disappear.  Democratic strategists worry about record low turnouts among black voters and what that might mean for the midterms next year:

Alarms are being rung about just how many African-Americans will vote without President Barack Obama on the ballot, and the New Jersey and Virginia governors’ races in three weeks will provide the first major test since the 2008 election.

A recent Washington Post survey estimated the black turnout in Virginia’s governor’s race at 12 percent, which would be about a 40 percent drop from last year’s general election. Other polling has shown both its and New Jersey’s black population unmoved about the off-year election.

The question at this point isn’t so much whether black voters will turn out at 2008 levels, but how big the drop will be — and then, whether it carries into the 2010 midterms.

Tom Jensen, a spokesman for the Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling, has been among the most outspoken. He said the high number of Democrats with districts that are significantly black means such a turnout shift could be disastrous for Democrats.

“If what looks like is going to happen in Virginia plays out on a national level, I do think Democrats will lose the House,” Jensen said.

Jensen says that voters who went with Democrats in 2008 haven’t switched sides but become complacent.  That doesn’t match with the polling data from every major national pollster — and I mean every one — showing a flight of independents from the Democrats.  Jensen also ignores the recent Gallup poll of 5,000 adults that shows party identification the closest in four years, which means that some former Democrats have left the fold.  Clearly, Democrats have lost electoral ground overall, not just in enthusiasm in the African-American community.

In that group, the Republicans are not likely to have made great inroads yet.  Despite the new “What Up” blog at GOP.com, the GOP has not put out much effort in talking sense to black voters and explaining conservative principles in the context of their lives.   They should be focused on effective outreach, not slang-titled blogs that sound more patronizing than welcoming.

However, midterms tend to get lower turnout numbers as a matter of course.  The Democrats won back the House and the Senate with a turnout of just 47% overall in 2006.  The black vote turned out significantly lower at 41.2%, and Hispanics even lower at 32.3%.  All of these were improvements over 2002, but only incremental increases.

If the Democrats lose the House, it will be much more attributable to their radical policy agenda in 2009-10 than a return to normal midterm turnout levels.  This sounds like either an excuse or a little bit of scaremongering to get organizers enthused for the 2010 campaign.


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Despite the new “What Up” blog at GOP.com, the GOP has not put out much effort in talking sense to black voters and explaining conservative principles in the context of their lives.

Disgusting. We target AMERICANS, Steele. We don’t put people in special groups like the democrats.

HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Sharpton and Jackson are hucksters, making a buck. What could be more American than that?

There was this black preacher in Harlem in the 30s–Father Divine, I think–who made a lot of money during his game. But he fell aside, lost to most of history.

The same is sure for Jackson and Sharpton. Recall, please, Jackson wore a shirt stained with MLK’s blood for three days. If a man I admired was shot before me, and his blood was on me, I’d rip that shirt off and in no WAY try profiting from it. I couldn’t bear such a thing.

Difference between hucksters and…

…whatever you want to believe.

Liam on October 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Doughboy on October 14, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Yeah, but he ended it after the election. What if he goes from 97% to 90%. Hell, I’ll take that.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on October 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM

As far as the Blacks, mention bringing back school vouchers, and that will go a long way.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on October 14, 2009 at 4:06 PM

You would think, but Obama screwed over minority kids in DC by ending the voucher program, yet he still enjoys 97% support from black voters.

Republicans don’t care about those kids. They’re just trying to mess with the teachers union. Otherwise there’d be more than a handful of vouchers and maybe even a more systematic effort to improve public schools.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM

If the DLC were still running the Democrat party the country would be in much better shape.

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Those DINOs? Glad they’re gone. It wasn’t their policies so much as “blame Democrats first” approach. In their eagerness to get on TV, they forgot which team they were on.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

If nothing else, ACORN can just submit a bunch of fake voter registrations under the name “Toby.”

Ryan Gandy on October 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids. They’re just trying to mess with the teachers union. Otherwise there’d be more than a handful of vouchers and maybe even a more systematic effort to improve public schools.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

The Republicans wanted more vouchers, the Democrats fought tooth and nail, even using the filibuster to prevent it.
As to improving schools, we already spend more per student in DC than in any other city in the country. How much more money should be wasted on the DC teacher’s unions?

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM

What up?

blatantblue on October 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on October 14, 2009 at 4:21 PM

No one ever won a war or a football game playing defense.

Have a little faith! It’s the evidence of things not yet seen.

The Left needs us to give up. Every time they are confronted, they back down. Take the stink of Letterman ‘joking’ about the rape of Palin’s little girl. He’d have stood fine, except for the counterstrike. What did he do, but balk.

Same here.

Liam on October 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Disgusting. We target AMERICANS, Steele. We don’t put people in special groups like the democrats.

HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM

I agree with your point, but hell nothing else has worked. Give it a try and see what pans out. Skeptical yes, but nothing else has worked. So, until blacks physically see the difference, give it a shot. I just hope they don’t go to heavy on Ebonics. That would sound disengenuious and pandering.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on October 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM

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ArmyAunt on October 14, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Alrighty. Guess I’ll just ignore it mostly.

Abby Adams on October 14, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Post racial?

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Are you trying to convince yourself? Who is it that keeps the race card in play?

fourdeucer on October 14, 2009 at 4:29 PM

I will leave Senator Sessions out of it.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM

That’s not quite admitting you were in the wrong by calling him a racist with nothing to back it up, but close enough I suppose.

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

maybe even a more systematic effort to improve public schools.

I.e., a top-down, government-led, statist way to fix schools.

Vouchers do not go far enough. Ban state-level public schools. Provide all families scholarships funds to attend a school of their choice. Parents will choose good schools. Bad schools will disappear. Bottom-up approach.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids.

Typical leftist scum. What does it matter what anyone “cares” about? Vouchers help the students. Period. The fact that you have a problem with that, because of some dark fantasy you hold about what you think people “care” about shows exactly where you’re at. You are more concerned with the feelings than with the policy – and you have the feelings wrong, too. Conservatives have long done much more for the poor and the downtrodden than any group of slimy hippies or militant morons. That really ticks you off.

They’re just trying to mess with the teachers union.

The teachers’ union is one of the most destructive forces in the US. Besides the fact that the education departments are the worst jokes at every university (the GRE scores for education grads are worse than even the English grads, and in MATH!!) they are moron leftists who are more interested in indoctrinating little kids into their twisted and retarded view of the world than in imparting the miniscule bits of knowledge they actually have.

Otherwise there’d be more than a handful of vouchers and maybe even a more systematic effort to improve public schools.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

The union stands in the way of all efforts, and the moron left do everything they can to keep the public schools pits of ignorance. You people need ignorant folks to fill your voter rolls.

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM

As to improving schools, we already spend more per student in DC than in any other city in the country. How much more money should be wasted on the DC teacher’s unions?

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM

5% more than the previous year should do. :-/

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Whether or not you care for Obama or Harold Ford or Adrien Fenty, they are a new and very different generation of political leadership. Dare one say it? Post racial?

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Yeah, we are all socialists now….

HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids. They’re just trying to mess with the teachers union. Otherwise there’d be more than a handful of vouchers and maybe even a more systematic effort to improve public schools.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Republicans, including Bush pushed hard for them “Breeds Boys”. Check your facts and quit speculating that there were ulterior motives. Now if I was in charge I’ll agree with you ’cause I would tear that union to shreds and piss on their banners.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on October 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM

You can see evidence of that in Georgia. Obama lost the state 48-51. The senate race was 49/49 and under GA law if you don’t get 50% there is a runoff between the top 2 candidates.

In the runoff the Republican won 60/40. Without Obama running, the black turnout was practically non-existent. And this was only a month after Obama won and the hype was still in full effect.

2 years later….yeah the Dems should be worried.

angryed on October 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Conservativism does not need to be “sold” to anyone. It is what it is. Only when an individual is confident and accepting of the idea that equal opportunity is the key (not that life must be fair or that effort must count without achievement) will he come, of his own accord, to the conservative side. This idea of “conservative outreach” is just a silly tranposition of tribalist leftism to a conservative background, and it doesn’t fit. You do not sell conservativism to people. People decide to buy it, either because of their personalities, their thinking about the world, or what they see conservative principles generate.

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Perhaps not, but Liberalism needs to be untaught or deprogammed in many cases, so that the formerly “brainwashed” are able to reach the point of confidence in making their own decision about said equal opportunity over supposed equal result.

misslizzi on October 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM

I’ll say again…the one chance to elect the “black” guy has passed. What has changed for the better for any of us, especially blacks, and more especially black males who have an unemployment rate of more than 50%. Maybe, just maybe some folks in that voting bloc will finally place the blame where it squarely belongs: on the shoulders of the democrats (and themselves).

SouthernGent on October 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids. They’re just trying to mess with the teachers union. Otherwise there’d be more than a handful of vouchers and maybe even a more systematic effort to improve public schools.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

The Republicans wanted more vouchers, the Democrats fought tooth and nail, even using the filibuster to prevent it.
As to improving schools, we already spend more per student in DC than in any other city in the country. How much more money should be wasted on the DC teacher’s unions?

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM

What we actually have in DC is a mayor and a schools chancellor who are working like hell to fix the schools (and change the union). We have a thriving charter school network, as well. What we don’t need in DC is a bunch of outsiders scoring political points with their hometown fans telling us what to. I haven’t noticed a congressional district in America that’s so perfect that their representatives can waste time minding my business.

Aside: My daughter actually went to school with a couple of voucher kids. For some reason the local Ethiopian community took significant advantage of it. So there would always be this odd number of taxicabs lined up in front of the school at 8AM….

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM

As much as I despise Our Idiot President, I think that taking control of the House and getting that sickening bitch Pelosi out of our sight would be the ultimate political joy.

Reid losing his Senate seat (yes, he will) is also going to be rich, but tainted when the Democrats put Ultimate Illinois Scumbag Dick “The Weenie” Durbin in charge of the Senate.

Eh…maybe not. Maybe O’Bozo going down as a one-term disaster is going to be the ultimate.

Jaibones on October 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids. They’re just trying to mess with the teachers union. Otherwise there’d be more than a handful of vouchers and maybe even a more systematic effort to improve public schools.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

The teachers union has the interests of teachers, not students, at heart. Sometimes those interests are the same thing, but not always.

Horrible public schools in inner cities punish the poor. People who do not have the resources to move their kids to a better district get stuck in a place that’s very difficult to escape. The voucher program was a way around that. President Obama is openly hostile to the voucher program. I think his actions towards the DC voucher program were one of the most shameful things he’s done since being elected.

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM

You’d rather them be trapped in under performing schools away from your kids, huh?

lorien1973 on October 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Those dems should be less worried about low Black turnout than increased white turnout……….

cab8505 on October 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM

What we don’t need in DC is a bunch of outsiders scoring political points with their hometown fans telling us what to. I haven’t noticed a congressional district in America that’s so perfect that their representatives can waste time minding my business.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM

DC is Congress’ responsibility, you blithering idiot.

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Parents will choose good schools. Bad schools will disappear. Bottom-up approach.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Liberals believe that anyone who doesn’t work for govt, is not smart enough to make important decisions like, where to send your kids to school, or what to eat for lunch, on their own.

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM

The GOP needs to recruit their own “ACORN” like assistants and post goons at the polling places with clubs . . . not really, but they should be very aggressive in recruiting voters.

rplat on October 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM

And the blacks that were interviewed after he did that were outraged. And I didn’t see that particular intervies on Fox there Breeds Boys.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on October 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM

What we actually have in DC is a mayor and a schools chancellor who are working like hell to fix the schools (and change the union). We have a thriving charter school network, as well. What we don’t need in DC is a bunch of outsiders scoring political points with their hometown fans telling us what to. I haven’t noticed a congressional district in America that’s so perfect that their representatives can waste time minding my business.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM

1) The funding for DC comes from the federal govt. The constitution makes every aspect of DC governance Congress’s responsibility.

2) It was your Democrats who tried to kill the voucher program, at the behest of your teacher’s union.

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM

I could swear I heard “Vote, boy.”
/Boxer

hoosiermama on October 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM

rplat on October 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Actually you have a point. Given that Justice has decided that voter intimidation is not a crime, GOP should put guys with guns or sticks outside polling places where they do not expect to do well and attempt to influence the results.

That is the lesson from the Black Panther deal, isn’t it?

lorien1973 on October 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM

The Democrats will probably push through a bill that lets them make a computer model simulating how blacks would vote if they did vote and determine the outcome of the election based on that. They’re already doing that with the census, it’s just one more step.

Socratease on October 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM

My daughter actually went to school with a couple of voucher kids. For some reason the local Ethiopian community took significant advantage of it. So there would always be this odd number of taxicabs lined up in front of the school at 8AM….

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Are you Joe Biden?

portlandon on October 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Additionally, this is a habit of yours. You take something, a policy for instance, and assign a motive to it (Republicans hate kids, they only support vouchers because it pisses off the union) without having any factual data or evidence to back that claim up. Sometimes your claims fly directly in the face of factual data.

If you want to assign motives to things, at least admit that it’s your opinion. You can’t expect to just say things and people take your word for it.

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Herold Ford, Jr, post-racial. If by post-racial, you mean being the son of one of those responsible for turning Memphis, TN into Detroit South, then I guess you’re right.

kingsjester on October 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM

My wife was a teacher. She lasted 2 years. Couldn’t take it anymore after that. Ceratinly not worth $35K a year to put up with all the BS from parents, the insane curriculum that stressed everything but the basics. Lots of her friends quit as well within 5 years of starting

The only teachers that seem to stick it out are those that can’t do anything else or have no ambition to do anything else. That’s why most teachers are such big union supporters. They know without the unions they’d starve if schools had the right to fire the under-performers and reward the high performers.

That’s why public education is a black hole. You can double or triple the money spent and it won’t make any difference. The unions have destroyed the entire system.

angryed on October 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM

If you go to my page and scroll down the right side under the chat box is a count down clock to the 2 Nov 2010 Election.

I think 2010 should be turned into a Battle Cry. Ignore me call me names fine. Let’s see who I vote for in 2010. Whoever makes it possible to see the back of Harry and Nan’s “collective” heads.

Dr Evil on October 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM

People supported Obama in part because it is comforting to BELONG, and his campaign provided that masterfully, making people PROUD to belong. Voters got a sense of being in the new elite.

But now, this illusion is dashed. Obama is an elitist in the purest sense of the word, and his little circle doesn’t include John Q. Public.

The Republicans need to make the case that true pride and belonging comes with mastering our individual destinies.

Government should be an umbrella, not a hammock.

RushBaby on October 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM

The teachers union has the interests of teachers, not students, at heart. Sometimes those interests are the same thing, but not always.

Horrible public schools in inner cities punish the poor. People who do not have the resources to move their kids to a better district get stuck in a place that’s very difficult to escape. The voucher program was a way around that. President Obama is openly hostile to the voucher program. I think his actions towards the DC voucher program were one of the most shameful things he’s done since being elected.

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM

That’s why I support an approach (like charter schools and the pay reform Chancellor Rhee is fighting for) that will improve broadly for tens of thousands of students, not cheap grandstanding that helps only a few.

DC is Congress’ responsibility, you blithering idiot.

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM

There’s a level of micromanaging that we could do without. And, aside from a very few, they don’t much really give a hoot about the city. The have cities of their own to worry about. Wait until we pass marriage equality, though. Then they’ll pay attention.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM

You’d rather them be trapped in under performing schools away from your kids, huh?

lorien1973 on October 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Cheap shot, even for you.

Besides, if you ever went to an Ethiopian birthday party you’d know how great it is having Ethiopian kids at school.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM

And the blacks that were interviewed after he did that were outraged. And I didn’t see that particular intervies on Fox there Breeds Boys.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on October 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM

But yet the majority of that group view the GOP with malice.

When it comes to education, conservatives are the only group that is truly supporting equality of opportunity. Libs retain our system because it creates government and union jobs.

With scholarships for all kids, we would only need staffing to ensure state funds are allocated to a loegal residents of the state and ensure the funds are being used to educate the kids. Parents will take care of the results.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Amazing the whining by the dems when their chief recruiting tool, cough..Acorn..cough, lose their funding?

Can the dems get 47 million illegals legitimized as American citizens before Nov 15th, 2010?

No? They’ll just let them vote anyway as the Dallas Cowboys….again.

2010. The house of cards comes crumbling down for the dems.

dthorny on October 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids. They’re just trying to mess with the teachers union.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

By the same rationale then, Liberals don’t care about the environment; they’re just trying to mess with companies and their profits by enacting Cap-N-Tax.

Wait, that’s probably right…

LastRick on October 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

That’s really the problem with conservatism, though, isn’t

it?

It requires effort.

Liberalism does not require this. It simply requires acquiescence.

lorien1973

That’s about as well as I’ve ever heard it summed up.

beachgirlusa on October 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

When it comes to education, conservatives are the only group that is truly supporting equality of opportunity. Libs retain our system because it creates government and union jobs.

With scholarships for all kids, we would only need staffing to ensure state funds are allocated to a loegal residents of the state and ensure the funds are being used to educate the kids. Parents will take care of the results.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Remember who. closed the idea in Washington DC to NOT ALLOW blacks to have school choice

dthorny on October 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

So that’s why they are ramping up the racism charges …

tarpon on October 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

misslizzi on October 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM

I hear you, but I just don’t think there is any sort of practical deprogramming to be done. These are decisions that people must just make on their own. It would be nice if conservatives could actually be conservative. People respect honesty and integrity more than anything, even if they disagree with some of the content. Conservatives need to just be unabashed conservatives. Stuff like Shamnesty is what kills conservativism, since it was supposed conservatives being ashamed to stand by simple, true conservative principles.

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

You know, they just might be surprised at how some black voters who DO intend to vote, actually vote next time. On 9/12, middle of DC walking back to the Metro, I got a huge smile and a surreptitious (to me) thumbs-up from a middle-aged black lady passing us. Yes, it’s anecdotal, but if the ship continues to sink, there may be an exodus from the Dem party. Whether there’s a viable alternative depends on the GOP actually getting off their sorry be-hinds and creating messages and a place to which the disaffected can migrate.

hoosiermama on October 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM

That’s why I support an approach (like charter schools and the pay reform Chancellor Rhee is fighting for) that will improve broadly for tens of thousands of students, not cheap grandstanding that helps only a few.

Who fights Chancellor Rhee the most? What group puts up the biggest obstacles to her reforms that you support?

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Liberals believe that anyone who doesn’t work for govt, is not smart enough to make important decisions like, where to send your kids to school, or what to eat for lunch, on their own.

MarkTheGreat on October 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM

I, for one, am glad I have now been introduced to the idea of ‘Meatless Mondays.’ Yeah! Pass the …

j_galt on October 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Bleeds Blue: How many of those Ethiopians live within 1/2 a mile of your? You are the typical lib. You’re all for multi-culti and integration….but only as long as it doesn’t get too close for comfort.

Washington DC is probably one of the most racially segregated cities in the country. Just like Boston the other lib mecca where people rioted in the 1970s when a judge forced integrated school buses.

You are so pathetic.

angryed on October 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM

There’s a level of micromanaging that we could do without. And, aside from a very few, they don’t much really give a hoot about the city. The have cities of their own to worry about. Wait until we pass marriage equality, though. Then they’ll pay attention.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Huh?

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM

That’s why I support an approach (like charter schools and the pay reform Chancellor Rhee is fighting for) that will improve broadly for tens of thousands of students, not cheap grandstanding that helps only a few.

Who fights Chancellor Rhee the most? What group puts up the biggest obstacles to her reforms that you support?

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM

The unions, of course. I don’t think we’re in disagreement here. On this, anyway. Though she has strong and passionate supporters in the unions, as well.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I am so sick of watching a party buy the votes of an entire race by offering them free stuff at the rest of society’s expense.

moonbat monitor on October 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

What we don’t need in DC is a bunch of outsiders scoring political points with their hometown fans telling us what to.

You’re right. What we need is a bunch of people in DC scoring political points with their hometown fans by telling us what to do. Uh..wait..I think we have that already.

I haven’t noticed a congressional district in America that’s so perfect that their representatives can waste time minding my business.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Pelosi’s district must be near perfect, given her propensity for minding my business.

BobMbx on October 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids. They’re just trying to mess with the teachers union. Otherwise there’d be more than a handful of vouchers and maybe even a more systematic effort to improve public schools.
Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Oh really, and how do you KNOW that?

It’s more like the Democrates don’t care about those kids, they are the ones that want to keep them in failing schools.

They do the same thing over and over and it never works, and yet they some get a pass fro caring about ‘ the children.’

Their only excuse for recurring failure is that they have ‘Good intentions’ or that it didn’t get enough funding.

So maybe you can explain how the democrats can ‘care for the children’ even though they have failed them time and time again?

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Bleeds Blue: How many of those Ethiopians live within 1/2 a mile of your? You are the typical lib. You’re all for multi-culti and integration….but only as long as it doesn’t get too close for comfort.

Washington DC is probably one of the most racially segregated cities in the country. Just like Boston the other lib mecca where people rioted in the 1970s when a judge forced integrated school buses.

You are so pathetic.

angryed on October 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM

You are apparently unfamiliar with the neighborhoods I’ve lived in for the last 20 years. My current ‘hood is almost evenly divided between black white and brown. In my last neighborhood we were a clear minority.

Tge Ethiopians in my daughter’s school lived about a mile away, in a less expensive but very similar neighborhood.

You’re thinking about that part of the city known occasionally as “Caucasia” where, frankly, it don’t have the $1.6 million for a house.

Try not to project.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Who fights Chancellor Rhee the most? What group puts up the biggest obstacles to her reforms that you support?

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM

The unions, of course. I don’t think we’re in disagreement here. On this, anyway. Though she has strong and passionate supporters in the unions, as well.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Good question, and your answer acknowledges the truth but fails to see the larger point, which is that the goals of the teachers union and the best interest of the students are often very different things.

It’s not the GOP that doesn’t care about kids. Kids are relatively far down the list of things that the GOP does care about (after all, they can’t vote), I’ll grant you that. But the DNC actively pursues policies that are hostile to the successful education of public school students in order to please a powerful constituency.

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM

The unions, of course.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

What’s wrong is that many people claim that teacher unions have the kids as their primary interest (not claiming you think that). That’s bull. All unions exist to defend their members.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I think that Pelosi and Reid and Obama will hurt the Democrats in 2010. I know a lot of Democrats, life long Democrats who are ashamed of what their party has become. They might not vote Republican, but they will not for this bunch of Democrats.

And African Americans got what they wanted, a black president and look where that got them. Are they better off? Hell no.

Terrye on October 14, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Of course if Democrats cared about the kids, they would not hit the accelerator on running up debts in this country.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Badger Hawk:

I think Republicans care about kids, after all unlike their Democrat counter parts they are more likely to have the children they conceive.

Terrye on October 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

There’s a level of micromanaging that we could do without. And, aside from a very few, they don’t much really give a hoot about the city. The have cities of their own to worry about. Wait until we pass marriage equality, though. Then they’ll pay attention.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Huh?

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Most Congresspeople care little about the District because it’s not home and they have no voters here. They don’t care about our roads, or our trash pickup, or the crime unless they get mugged, or the schools. Sometimes, to get their name in the newspapers, though, they do something like cut a few vouchers for poor kids, thus angering the unions, making them look ideologically pure and showing off for the folks back home — a trifecta.

So, when the city council passes marriage equality this year, a bunch of people who really pay no attention to this city will pretend that it’s suddenly very important for them to mess with this one law and there will be a lot of noise and outrage and press releases. Then they’ll all lose interest in DC and go back to bringing home the pork in time for the election.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

And your side cares about POWER and nothing else.

HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Tge Ethiopians in my daughter’s school lived about a mile away, in a less expensive but very similar neighborhood.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM

So the answer to my question is ZERO. At least you were honest.

Less expensive but similar. You mean kind of like separate but equal?

You are a trip dude.

angryed on October 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Of course if Democrats cared about the kids, they would not hit the accelerator on running up debts in this country.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Very important point. Military issues and the fiscal policy/national debt have become my biggest issues. I’m a responsible guy who’s already started saving for the college of kids I don’t have yet, and I’m genuinely concerned about inflation wiping out a lot of what I have.

We’re at an interesting time in American history where the next generation might not have a better future than the previous one.

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Good question, and your answer acknowledges the truth but fails to see the larger point, which is that the goals of the teachers union and the best interest of the students are often very different things.

It’s not the GOP that doesn’t care about kids. Kids are relatively far down the list of things that the GOP does care about (after all, they can’t vote), I’ll grant you that. But the DNC actively pursues policies that are hostile to the successful education of public school students in order to please a powerful constituency.

BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Agreed. Although I am not anti-union — am, in fact, very pro-union, I think that sometimes a negotiator has to face them down. Get rid of the bad teachers, encourage the good ones and at the same time have a sane grievance procedure and pay scale.

I just had a long conversation about this with a close friend. We’re betting 50-50 that Rhee succeeds. But this is a problem a long time in the making….

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Terrye

Left the Dem party over a decade ago. Have been an Independent ever since. I was ashamed of what has happened to the party. Still am. That is why I like Camille Paglia, Pat Cadell and Susan Estrich. Classical liberals all. They are sane and I admire them for staying, where I could not.
No wonder people now self-identify as conservative by a 2:1 margin.

JAM on October 14, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids.
Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Oh really, and how do you KNOW that?

It’s more like the Democrates don’t care about those kids, they are the ones that want to keep them in failing schools.

They do the same thing over and over and it never works, and yet they some get a pass for caring about ‘ the children.’

Their only excuse for recurring failure is that they have ‘Good intentions’ or that it didn’t get enough funding.

So maybe you can explain how the democrats can ‘care for the children’ even though they have failed them time and time again?

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Get rid of the bad teachers, encourage the good ones and at the same time have a sane grievance procedure and pay scale.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Non-union businesses do this really easily. My 100 employee company has to do this about 5 times a year. unions will fight firing bad teachers. They do it across the whole country.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:05 PM

JAM:

Yes, some partisans like Bleeds Blue here can overlook any incompetence, bigotry, antisemitism, thievery, dishonesty, shameless pandering, and demagoguery so long as their side wins, there really are some Democrats who have a problem with the country being bankrupted and humiliated on a daily basis.

So, they just hang their heads and stay home come election time.

Terrye on October 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

The solution for Democrats is simple: Just hand every potential black voter in the nation a $50 bill (along with free transportation and a box lunch) and they’ll be GLAD to go vote Democrat. Hell, hand ‘em $100 and they’ll likely vote early and vote TWICE, in true Chicago fashion. Rahm will take care of it.

bradley11 on October 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Tge Ethiopians in my daughter’s school lived about a mile away, in a less expensive but very similar neighborhood.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM

So the answer to my question is ZERO. At least you were honest.

Less expensive but similar. You mean kind of like separate but equal?

You are a trip dude.

angryed on October 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM

A third of the people in my neighborhood are black. My next door neighbor is black. I’m sorry if they aren’t the particular brand of African American you seem to want me to live near. A third of my neighbors are Hispanic. I’m not sure what you expect me to do, prove myself purist enough for you by renting out my basement to a person of color?”

The guy, by the way, was a cab driver. I’m not rich, but I can afford a slightly more expensive house (closer to downtown, not so much “nicer”). He lives in a nice neighborhood that is largely middle class, near a church supported by the Ethiopian community and is being gentrifed, so he’s probably making a nice dime on his investment. We looked at house up there but prefer to live walking distance from downtown.

I’m not what your point was here.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:09 PM

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Ah, makes perfect sense.

misslizzi on October 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

bradley11 on October 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM

That’s called a poll tax cut.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Yes, some partisans like Bleeds Blue here can overlook any incompetence, bigotry, antisemitism, thievery, dishonesty, shameless pandering, and demagoguery so long as their side wins, there really are some Democrats who have a problem with the country being bankrupted and humiliated on a daily basis.

Terrye

You just described half my siblings! They live in PA too. And they still vote dem after Obama called them bitter, gun clingers and Murtha said they were racist. Go figure?

JAM on October 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids.
Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Explain how the democrats can ‘care for the children’ even though they have failed them time and time again?

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 5:14 PM

You just described half my siblings! They live in PA too. And they still vote dem after Obama called them bitter, gun clingers and Murtha said they were racist. Go figure?

JAM on October 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM

This reminds me of something I heard from Ralph Nader on the Meved show that I liked. Yes, I said I liked. He supports the idea that all elections should have a binding None of the Above. If None of the Above. wins the election, all candidates that ran for office are barred from running in the “do over” election (i.e., new candidates must run).

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids.
Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Explain how the democrats can ‘care for the children’ even though they have failed them time and time again?

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Explain to me how 1,700 vouchers in one city are anything other than a publicity stunt.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Most Congresspeople care little about the District because it’s not home and they have no voters here. They don’t care about our roads, or our trash pickup, or the crime unless they get mugged, or the schools. Sometimes, to get their name in the newspapers, though, they do something like cut a few vouchers for poor kids, thus angering the unions, making them look ideologically pure and showing off for the folks back home — a trifecta.

So, when the city council passes marriage equality this year, a bunch of people who really pay no attention to this city will pretend that it’s suddenly very important for them to mess with this one law and there will be a lot of noise and outrage and press releases. Then they’ll all lose interest in DC and go back to bringing home the pork in time for the election.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM

The “Huh?” was rhetorical. I didn’t mean for you to ramble on with more idiocy.

progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Explain to me how 1,700 vouchers in one city are anything other than a publicity stunt.
Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM

It’s called a start.

Now maybe you can answer my question.

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Besides, if you ever went to an Ethiopian birthday party you’d know how great it is having Ethiopian kids at school.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM

That has to be the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard.

portlandon on October 14, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Bleeds Blue:

You claim that:

‘Republicans don’t care about those kids. ‘

Then maybe you can explain how the Democrats can claim to care about the children when they do the same thing over and over again with dismal results.

Again, the excuse is either they had “Good Intentions” or they didn’t have “enough funding”.

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Explain to me how 1,700 vouchers in one city are anything other than a publicity stunt.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM

You said you have live in DC for 20 years. I cannot find out how many vouchers Bush wanted when the program was created. Do you know? I would guess that he asked for a lot more, but needed to cut a deal with the Democrats to get vouchers passed at all. He did not have near the majorities that Obama enjoys today in the senate and house.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:25 PM

From this article in 2003:

Last month, Reps. Thomas M. Davis III, Virginia Republican and chairman of the Government Reform Committee, and John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican and chairman of the Education and the Workforce Committee, introduced the Parental Choice and Incentive Act of 2003. The bill would provide children of low-income families scholarships of up to $7,500 to attend private institutions in the District. Mr. Bush said Tuesday about 2,000 of the city’s 67,000 public school students could benefit. The president also said he is asking Congress for another $320 million for charter schools, which are publicly funded but independently operated. Mr. Bush requested $75 million in his fiscal 2004 budget proposal to initiate a pilot school-choice program.

So he wanted 10,000ish students in 2004. 1/7 of the school system.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:29 PM

This ploy is nothing more than dem fear mongering again and a silly attempt to cover up the fact that they see their grasp on power circling the bowl.

Their agenda is destroying them and they know it.

dogsoldier on October 14, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Well we’ve got ACORN on the run so they won’t be much help to the Dems this time around as long as we keep bashing at them. I know libbies don’t like to hear me say that but hey – ACORN takes gub’ment money – they ain’t supposed to be partisan – so here’s a cryin’ towel.

Actually I think that the Black vote will be pretty high. I think for some odd reason the African American community equates Obama’s success with their own (even though the guy’s half white – I say blame his failures on the white part – but hey, that’s me). Soooo … I think they’ll turn out and vote Blue – maybe not in the numbers they did for Obama – but I don’t think the numbers will hemorrage has much as some think.

The Democrat problem is with Independents – and with a growing number of Americans who see the Democratic Party as being anti-American and at war with grassroots Americans.

That’s there real problem – and no minority group vote is going to save them from that one.

HondaV65 on October 14, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Republicans don’t care about those kids.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Republicans care enough about Children to let them live past the gestation period.

portlandon on October 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Besides, if you ever went to an Ethiopian birthday party you’d know how great it is having Ethiopian kids at school.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM

That has to be the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard.

portlandon on October 14, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Apparently you’ve never had a home-cooked Ethiopian meal, or you’d understand.

Explain to me how 1,700 vouchers in one city are anything other than a publicity stunt.
Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM

It’s called a start.

Now maybe you can answer my question.

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM

A start top what? They never did anything else.

As discussed earlier, the Democratic Mayor of DC and his hand-picked schools chief are in the midst of a long and challenging effort to improve DC’s schools.

And, while the Republicans have been grandstanding about vouchers, almost 25,000 kids have enrolled in charter schools which are often run (I assume, since the city’s about 90% Dem, although a cluster of them are run by the Archdiocese) by Democrats. In case you went to an underperforming public school, that’s 14 times as many kids as the Republicans are talking about.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Are those DC charter schools union shops?

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Bleeds Blue is AnninCA with better sentence and paragraph structure. Both are asinine and delusional. Both drag many a good poster into long discussions where goalposts are moved and honesty is passed over for invective and nonsense.

In other words, perfect democrats/serfs/obama voters.

daesleeper on October 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM

From this article in 2003:

Last month, Reps. Thomas M. Davis III, Virginia Republican and chairman of the Government Reform Committee, and John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican and chairman of the Education and the Workforce Committee, introduced the Parental Choice and Incentive Act of 2003. The bill would provide children of low-income families scholarships of up to $7,500 to attend private institutions in the District. Mr. Bush said Tuesday about 2,000 of the city’s 67,000 public school students could benefit. The president also said he is asking Congress for another $320 million for charter schools, which are publicly funded but independently operated. Mr. Bush requested $75 million in his fiscal 2004 budget proposal to initiate a pilot school-choice program.

So he wanted 10,000ish students in 2004. 1/7 of the school system.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:29 PM

That republican congress really came through for the kids, didn’t they? Cutting their President’s budget by 4/5s. Thanks, dudes. (Davis was always a good guy and had genuine concern for DC.. I’m not surprised to see his name there).

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Are those DC charter schools union shops?

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:34 PM

I believe they’re union shops, but with greater freedom to hire and fire.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Why don’t the democrats provide even more vouchers, that would really show up those rascally Republicans.

Or don’t they care about the Children?

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 5:37 PM

That republican congress really came through for the kids, didn’t they? Cutting their President’s budget by 4/5s. Thanks, dudes. (Davis was always a good guy and had genuine concern for DC.. I’m not surprised to see his name there).

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:35 PM

It surely was not a conservative congress, but that congress HAD to include Democrat support due to narrow margins and no filibuster proof margin in the senate. Do you think the money was reduced because of conservatives or liberals, regardless of party?

It seems that liberals here on HA constantly project that conservatives support the GOP over our principles.

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Dare to Dream!

PappaMac on October 14, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Bleeds Blue:

Why don’t you answer the original question: Why do the Democrats get a free pass for failure with the only excuse being “good intentions” and “lack of funding”.

Juno77 on October 14, 2009 at 5:41 PM

I believe they’re union shops, but with greater freedom to hire and fire.

Bleeds Blue on October 14, 2009 at 5:37 PM

I know here in Chicago the teacher’s union attempts, and oftenm succeeds, to put shackles on the charter schools. To me, unionization of charter schools is a shackle. Do you know if the union requires DC charter schools to be unionized?

WashJeff on October 14, 2009 at 5:42 PM

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