Blue Dogs on Snowe’s ObamaCare vote: Who cares?
posted at 8:15 pm on October 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
See why I wasn’t panicking yesterday? When even a lowly eeyorepundit like me is telling you to chillax, chillax.
If Democratic leadership hoped Republican Olympia Snowe’s decision to cross party lines Tuesday would inspire her fellow middle-of-the-roaders, they were mistaken…
Moderate Democrats did draw plenty of inspiration from Snowe – but instead of using her “yes” vote as a reason to embrace health care reform, fence-sitters hailed the caveats in her public statement Tuesday as a rationale for withholding their own judgment.
Nebraska Sen. Ben Nelson said his colleague from Maine wasn’t “forecasting what her future votes might be” when she cast the lone Republican vote for the Finance bill…
In this environment, few uncommitted Democrats were willing to make any new commitments on Wednesday. And no one thought Snowe’s vote would break the logjam.
“It didn’t change anything for me,” Pryor said.
This is as much of a no-brainer as Snowe’s own yes vote. Why would the Blue Dogs say yes or no now when there’s still so much negotiation to come? Committing this soon only decreases your influence over the final product; so long as The One’s nervous about losing 60 and committed to keeping everyone happy, Nelson and Pryor can more or less set their terms. In fact, to the extent that Snowe’s vote lays down a marker about how far left the bill can go before it becomes too far left, it’s actually a help to the GOP. Politico’s already warning about a Democratic civil war if House progressives decide that Baucus’s plan isn’t nearly socialist enough for their tastes. If Reid buckles and includes a public option, Snowe walks away, the Blue Dogs are denied their political cover, and all hell breaks loose between the centrists and the left. Like her or not, given the electoral realities in the Senate, yesterday’s yes vote isn’t the worst thing that could have happened to fiscal conservatives. Quoth Karl: Snowementum!
Update: Forgot to say: If you hate ObamaCare and can spare the cash, send five bucks each to Bob McDonnell and Chris Christie. Who governs Virginia and New Jersey is of little concern to most of us, but watching the GOP sweep two blue states ahead of the midterms will send the Blue Dogs to a “Paranormal Activity”-esque level of terror. If Mc and C win, you get a more conservative health-care bill — and maybe even no bill at all. Simple as that.










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Considering most of the Blue Dogs are in for a serious fight next year, I wouldn’t expect them to commit to ObamaCare until right before the final vote.
BadgerHawk on October 14, 2009 at 8:17 PM
someone needs to pee on Snowe.
moonbatkiller on October 14, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Chillax, Allah’s on ExLax…..
Maine, on the other hand, needs to get their sh*t together.
HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 8:20 PM
NEVER TRUST YELLOW SNOWE!
HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 8:21 PM
DUH!!!!!
As i said yesterday:
In retrospect, this isn’t ‘game over’ for we opponents of obamacare, in fact it’s not a biggie at all.
1. The dems had a 13-10 advantage in committees, so it was going to pass anyway
2. This ‘finance committee bill’ is one that the finance committee MADE. Love or hate obamacare, public option, etc., why would the finance committee present themselves a crap sandwich and then vote DOWN their own work?
3. The Blue dogs voting ‘yes’ and the RINOS voting ‘yes’ mean nothing; again, it’s the COMMITTEE bill, it’s not the final bill, besides, even Snowe reserved the right to change as later CBO scoring/budget reports came out in the next few weeks
4. The ‘big deal’ isn’t this committee bill anyway; it’s what happens when this bill is merged with the other committee bill (h.e.l.p. committee), and then what happens to the final senate version; and then what happens in the house (public option mania!); and then what happens in the back-to-the-senate compromise session; etc…. nothing unexpected happened today, and they haven’t even voted yet anyway
I still maintain OBAMACARE is DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!
battleoflepanto1571 on October 14, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Heh
SouthernGent on October 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM
AllahP, I just want to send you a big e-kiss: MMMMMMMM-WAH! My day has been fairly suckworthy (my cat is sick — I know you can relate) and I needed that chuckle.
That said, I hope you agree that Olympia Snowe is still a dried-up witless prune who needs to be kicked out of the GOP ASAP.
Mary in LA on October 14, 2009 at 8:24 PM
watched hardball tonight (i know, i know) and chris matthews was floored that olympia said “i absolutely will NOT vote for a bill that has a public option, or a trigger for a public option”
he was amazed. i guess he thought voting ‘yes’ — on a committee — for which there are 5 bills — and not a real floor vote, meant that “SNOWE WANTS PUBLIC OPTION ZOUNDS!!12!!11!!”
I dont like olympia, but she knows what she’s doing: keep her own profile high, get some tv face time, cement her status as maine hero, and then vote no in the end
it’s a no brainer.
battleoflepanto1571 on October 14, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Hope Kitty feels better soon.
HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 8:28 PM
I dont like olympia, but she knows what she’s doing: keep her own profile high, get some tv face time, cement her status as maine hero, and then vote no in the end
If she does that, I may forgive her, but only if the bill fails. If she votes no and it passes anyway, then it’s her fault for letting the damned thing out of committee.
Mary in LA on October 14, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Dang it! Forgot the quote tags.
If she does that, I may forgive her, but only if the bill fails. If she votes no and it passes anyway, then it’s her fault for letting the damned thing out of committee.
Mary in LA on October 14, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Olympia, they`re just not that into you.
Here`s some chocolate, sweety.
ThePrez on October 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM
I just want this Obamacare crap to die already so more attention can be put on Afghanistan where our troops are being slowly suffocated by Obama’s neglect. Snowe’s vote prolonged all this crap for another few months.
Daemonocracy on October 14, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Why is Obama so beholden to he far Left of his party? They are a minority of the Liberal minority. More Americans are conservatives than Liberals so who cares what the friggin’ socialist wing of the Democrat party thinks. Someone get them a Constitution, a document made just for that type of control freak.
DerKrieger on October 14, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Thanks! Coming on the heels of losing a friend (who was named Kitty, coincidentally) to H1N1 flu, having my poor cat get sick (with what may be an infection and may be cancer) is the straw that is breaking this camel’s back. :-(
Mary in LA on October 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Oh my… you have your plate full…prayers and well wishes sent your way, Mary. Be well.
HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Don’t trust the Blue Dogs. They are congenital liars and low-lifes.
progressoverpeace on October 14, 2009 at 8:36 PM
I…Don’t…want…the…final…product.
WitchDoctor on October 14, 2009 at 8:38 PM
As Rush put it today, the Finance Committee approved a concept; there is no “bill” per se, they think they’re gonna slap something together in private. Interesting theory; the catfighting will be epic.
uncivilized on October 14, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Tell me about it. Mine is Jane Harman, the Blue Dog with the Yellow Belly.
Mary in LA on October 14, 2009 at 8:39 PM
Ol’ Olympia and others of her ilk make Reagan’s eleventh commandment impossible to keep–unfortunately.
ncborn on October 14, 2009 at 8:39 PM
sorry about your friend.
hope ya feel better soon.
–
im always available for a date
(just trying to make you giggle)
blatantblue on October 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Christie is a RINO who is shooting himself in the foot. Better to save your money.
cubachi on October 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM
The party needs to boot her boney ass out.
Wade on October 14, 2009 at 8:42 PM
and let some lefty win?
blatantblue on October 14, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Pardon the qualityof my typing tonite, my baby grandson is in the hospital and his momma has my laptop with her so she can type her homework. I’m reduced to using my iPod touch… Geez, how do kids text so damn fast???
uncivilized on October 14, 2009 at 8:46 PM
christie is more preferable to corzine
“its the ECONOMY”
he’s a good R for jersey
battleoflepanto1571 on October 14, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Your friendly neighborhood e-cougar says, “ROWRRR!” :-)
Mary in LA on October 14, 2009 at 8:51 PM
In the end, Snowe’s vote won’t matter. This is not bipartisan, it is not even partisan, this bill is a stinker.
Terrye on October 14, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Christie is a RINO; Corzine is an ASS. Question is which is worse ?
uncivilized on October 14, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Watch out, Mary. BB has been reading up on cougar hunting techniques…..:)
HornetSting on October 14, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Thank you for the links for Bob McDonnell and Chris Christie donation sites, I gave $25 to each.
sebis on October 14, 2009 at 9:01 PM
watched hardball tonight …
battleoflepanto1571 on October 14, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Why did you double his ratings? I’ts going to go straight to his head.
Joe Caps on October 14, 2009 at 9:01 PM
I agree. People need to leave Senator Snowe alone for this. It’s just a committee vote. The final bill won’t be nearly as easy to vote for.
And I’m with ya on giving money to the governor races even if you don’t live in those states. That would be a message that they would all get (especially vulnerable blue dogs) in the entire health care debate. It could just derail the whole thing so the O gets turned into a zero.
ThackerAgency on October 14, 2009 at 9:06 PM
I have a freshman “blue dog” representing me. If votes for this he is toast in my district. That I would put money on.
Joe Caps on October 14, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Democrats Snowe jumped the shark….she played this act one too many times look who looks like a jaded career politician now.
Dr Evil on October 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Hear me now There is no such thing as a blue dog or a social conservative or a polar bear hating or any-other-prefix for a DHIMMICRAP!
Everyone of you stupid cafeteria claim to be a catholic that supported and helped the abortion candidate occupying the White House deserve every last reward the FATHER has in store for you. You’ve earned it.
May GOD have mercy on your soul.
Blacksmith8 on October 14, 2009 at 9:08 PM
God save us from ugly women in Congress.
infidel4life on October 14, 2009 at 9:23 PM
um, Blacksmith, chill out with the self righteous crap. I talked to God earlier and he assures me His job is still very much taken, you’ll have to look elsewhere.
American Elephant on October 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM
If Obamacare goes through, I’ll sit still for the bullet. :-P
FIFY.
Mary in LA on October 14, 2009 at 9:27 PM
Because… he *is* the far left of his party? That’s where he lives and breaths, ideologically.
Midas on October 14, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Ar first I thought “blue dog” was an unkind caption for the picture of Snowe that accompanied the thread. I was wrong.
bayview on October 14, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Christie is a loser and a RINO.
Let him lose and NJ burn!
Sapwolf on October 14, 2009 at 10:41 PM
blatantblue on October 14, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Virginia, blue? Not over here in the West End of Richmond, it ain’t. McDonnell signs predominate. When I lived in the People’s Republic of Charlottesville, you might have put that over on me, except that even then I knew that if you drove 20 miles in any direction, you’d be in the land of loading-their-own, Civial War enacting right wingers. Of course there is Arlifaxanassas. Carpetbaggers all.
smellthecoffee on October 14, 2009 at 11:31 PM
For all the Christie detractors, I can`t really fault your opinion of him, I am not a fan myself. That being said, a win in NJ will mean so much more than a win in VA to send the message to the politicians. If a Republican candidate wins in one of the bluest of blue states, with the history of corruption they have there ( ACORN studied there I have no doubt) then that will get the attention of the opposition.
bluemarlin on October 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM
She’s already paying a guy good money for that.
Jaibones on October 15, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Olympia Snowe’s 2008 American Conservative Union rating: 12
Jaibones on October 15, 2009 at 12:11 AM
I just did, thanks for the direct links!
galvestonian on October 15, 2009 at 1:10 AM
Forgot to say: If you hate ObamaCare and can spare the cash, send five bucks each to Bob McDonnell and Chris Christie.
NO. THEY DON’T NEED HELP. MY CONSERVATIVE MONEY MAY DESTROY THEIR APPEAL TO INDEPENDENTS AND FISCAL CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS.
I will not even say a word. I hate BLAME GAME.
TheAlamos on October 15, 2009 at 3:12 AM
I TOTALLY AGREE.
TheAlamos on October 15, 2009 at 3:15 AM
In 10 years time there will be no private health care in the USA. Snowe, no Snowe, blue dogs, no blue dogs. Obama. Reid and Pelosi don’t give a flying phook about any of it. They will ram it through.
angryed on October 15, 2009 at 7:10 AM
Two reasons…
He’s one of them
They bought and paid for his Presidency
orlandocajun on October 15, 2009 at 11:03 AM