Peter Beinart: Petraeus is the only candidate who can unite the GOP

posted at 10:21 pm on October 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

I wish he was wrong.

As personalities, the syntax-mangling Ike and the self-consciously intellectual David Petraeus don’t have much in common. But politically, they’re in a parallel position. Today’s GOP has a right-wing base that can damage Obama, but none of its favorites have a prayer of winning the White House. The reason is that just like the Republican right of the early 1950s, which kept insisting that the New Deal constituted socialism (or fascism), today’s conservative activists have not accommodated themselves to some basic shifts in public mood. Over the past couple of decades, the American people have grown more pro-environment, more culturally tolerant, and more suspicious of the unregulated free market, and yet the Republican Party has responded with a series of litmus tests for its presidential candidates that represent the political equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “la la la, I can’t hear you.”…

Like McCain in 2008, Petraeus could largely skip the Iowa caucuses, which evangelicals dominate, and instead focus on New Hampshire, where independents can vote. In both 2000 and 2008, it was New Hampshire that boosted McCain, and New Hampshire, as it turns out, is the closest thing Petraeus has to a home state. From there it would be on to South Carolina, where military pedigrees go a long way.

All this is wildly speculative, of course. But there’s a political logic to it: Parties that have grown narrow and extreme tend to spiral downward until they nominate someone who is not beholden to their narrow, extreme base. That person has to be so popular that he or she can defy the normal rules about how candidates get nominated. Right now, David Petraeus is the only Republican who fits the bill. In the weeks ahead, McChrystal may become a conservative folk hero for opposing Obama on Afghanistan. But for Democrats looking toward 2012 and 2016, it’s Petraeus who represents the real threat.

We’ve been over this before. He gave a Sherman statement to Chris Wallace back in 2007. Even if he was inclined to renege, it’s hard to believe he’d do it to challenge his own commander-in-chief in 2012. If it’s going to happen, it’ll happen in 2016, and that’ll require another crushing GOP defeat against The One.

That said, Beinart’s larger point is well taken. Among the major Republican candidates, the only one who truly excites the base is Palin, yet she’s sufficiently poisonous to moderates at the moment that Bob McDonnell won’t even take her up on her offer to campaign for him in Virginia while sitting on a nine-point lead. Petraeus is the only person on the landscape, it seems, capable of intriguing the base and centrists. His problem is that, for the foreseeable future, the country’s problems don’t play to his strengths. Ike was an easy choice for post-war America because he epitomized strength and victory at a moment when the red menace was top priority; our own top priority for most of the next decade, I imagine, will be unemployment and debt unless Iran or North Korea does something astoundingly nutty. Why look to a general to deal with that? Like Beinart says, a serious look at Petraeus would require another Republican flameout in 2012, driving the party to such desperation that they’ll practically be forced to look outside the box. He’ll only be 64 in 2016. Why not?

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We could do a LOT worse than another President Eisenhower. Who was a LOT better President than they generally give him credit for.

Of course, had I lived back then, and had he lived, I’d have preferred a President Patton :)

wildcat84 on October 13, 2009 at 10:23 PM

and more suspicious of the unregulated free market,

What unregulated free market?

Darth Executor on October 13, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Allahpundit, do you ever sleep? :)

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM

I’m in

Colorado Anne on October 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Colin Powell in 1994, Chapter II. Powell was going to be our savior, until we started asking messy questions about his stand on the issues.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM

How about 8 years of Palin followed by 8 years of Petraeus?

That would be a great generation of leaders.

wildcat84 on October 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM

We could do a lot worse.

changer1701 on October 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM

I dunno. I think General Petraeus is an outstanding leader, but perhaps his country needs him where he is now.

Rightwingguy on October 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM

If it’s going to happen, it’ll happen in 2016, and that’ll require another crushing GOP defeat against The One.

Another crushing defeat of some other squishy in 2012, and the party belongs to Palin, dude. Live it and love it.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Do we even know anything about his policy preferences?

DaveS on October 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Colin Powell in 1994, Chapter II. Powell was going to be our savior, until we started asking messy questions about his stand on the issues.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:26 PM

I don’t think Petraeus is a Powell. For one thing, Powell commanded from the Washington bureaucracy. Petraeus is an experienced field commander with an unimpeachable resume.

He’s a soldier’s general. Much like Omar Bradley.

wildcat84 on October 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Among the major Republican candidates, the only one who truly excites the base is Palin, yet she’s sufficiently poisonous to moderates at the moment that Bob McDonnell won’t even take her up on her offer to campaign for him in Virginia while sitting on a nine-point lead.

Or…he’s waiting out the clock.

Or…he’s getting crappy advice from a wussy moderate who’s decided to go along with whatever the media puppetmasters have ordained regarding Palin.

powerpro on October 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM

My guess is that it’s someone who no one sees coming, like a Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor-type. At least, that’s my hope.

cpaulus on October 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM

I don’t think Petraeus is a Powell. For one thing, Powell commanded from the Washington bureaucracy. Petraeus is an experienced field commander with an unimpeachable resume.

He’s a soldier’s general. Much like Omar Bradley.

wildcat84 on October 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Military records and command style are irrelevant. His views on economic and social policies are.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM

…relevant. LOL

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Beinart is an idiot. Just watch his first debate with Jonah Goldberg after Obama’s election on blogging head tv. He cannot understand why Jonah doesn’t accept his arguments in the age of Obama.

Beinart’s only redeeming quality is that he was on the right side on Iraq.

gh on October 13, 2009 at 10:30 PM

We have zero idea of Petraeus’ policy stances.

Unless he’s a movement conservative, he might as well stay home. Republicans want another Reagan, not another squishy Powell type.

Rebar on October 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Among the major Republican candidates, the only one who truly excites the base is Palin

SARAH PALIN IS NOT THE ANSWER! I wish people would stop pushing her. It’s not going to happen.

txag92 on October 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Allahpundit, do you ever sleep? :)

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM

What’s it to you?

bloggless on October 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Do we even know anything about his policy preferences?

DaveS on October 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM

Right. Just like so many were ready to anoint Powell as the antidote to Clinton. We don’t know much about Petraeus politically.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Military records and command style are irrelevant. His views on economic and social policies are.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM

The military, by it’s nature, is conservative.

It has to be to function.

Powell isn’t representative of all generals, because, yes, he DID benefit from affirmative action and remained loyal to it because of that. Which is unfortunate, as General Powell should have achieved what he did on his own merits.

I am interested in hearing General Petraeus speak on the issues.

wildcat84 on October 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Over the past couple of decades, the American people have grown more pro-environment, more culturally tolerant, and more suspicious of the unregulated free market, and yet the Republican Party has responded with a series of litmus tests for its presidential candidates that represent the political equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “la la la, I can’t hear you.”…

Hmm, like nominating McCain? Mr. “Teddy Rosevelt” McCain? Mr. “We must fight global warming climate change” McCain. Mr. “anti-corporation” McCain? The Mr. McCain who has the same sance on gay marriage as Mr. Obama?

Why do I feel like the scorpion is asking to ride on my back across the river?

Aquateen Hungerforce on October 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM

powerpro on October 13, 2009 at 10:28 PM

McDonnell doesn’t need Palin, period. The GOP here is decidedly more enthusiastic about about McDonnell than Dems are about their candidate, and he’s ahead comfortably. Plus, she’s toxic among indies, where McDonnell leads by a wide margin. Why mess with that?

changer1701 on October 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Petraeus is the only candidate who can unite the GOP

Unite the GOP? Petraeus needs to provide leadership but the GOP is already united… Last I heard the Republicans were far more united than the Democrats; even today in a Committee vote on health care only loony Snowe stepped away from the GOP! Who is spreading the meme that the GOP needs to be united? Sure the party needs to win in 2010 and 2012 but in terms of votes in the Senate and the House the GOP is far more united than Dems…

IntheNet on October 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM

I would vote for the man based on his job experience alone, but do we even know for sure that General P is a Republican? I have never seen anything on his political leanings.

Over the past couple of decades, the American people have grown more pro-environment … and more suspicious of the unregulated free market,

I am going out on a limb here, but I predict that pendulum is about to take a drastic swing back to the right.

bitsy on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

I think Palin has a shot in 2016 if she manages to score a senate seat before that…

TimeTraveler on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

SARAH PALIN IS NOT THE ANSWER! I wish people would stop pushing her. It’s not going to happen.

txag92 on October 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM

She’s the most likely to get the nomination, vs a bunch of mushies if only Republicans (go figure) are allowed to choose our nominee.

wildcat84 on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Allahpundit, do you ever sleep? :)

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM

You don’t have a cat, do ya? ;)

Among the major Republican candidates, the only one who truly excites the base is Palin, yet she’s sufficiently poisonous to moderates at the moment that Bob McDonnell won’t even take her up on her offer to campaign for him in Virginia while sitting on a nine-point lead.

OK, it’s no secret I’m not a Palinista. I’ll digress on that…my real question is, what/whom IS “the base” of the GOP? The social cons? They’re not the majority, so “base” can’t mean that. And Palin doesn’t have majority GOP approval either. So…who IS “the base”? I’m really confused on that.

As for Patraeus…I really wish I knew more about him. And this isn’t post-WW2 either…Speaking as a hawk myself, isn’t most of the nation still war-weary, and a general (one who was labeled “Betray-us” by the Left) just going to have that aura around him? And I normally like reading Beinart’s op-eds in the Post, isn’t he a Democrat?

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

People are way too obsessed with 2012. Who cares? Long time to go before you have to worry about who the candidate will be. And their hopes for election largely depend on Barack Obama and the economy, so it’s kind of pointless to constantly worry about it.

therightwinger on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

This is the guy who wrote The Good Fight: Why Liberals—and Only Liberals—Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again? And works at the liberal Brookings Institute?

Yeah, let’s listen to him.

amerpundit on October 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Id vote for him in a second

Viper1 on October 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM

I think General Petraeus is an outstanding leader, but perhaps his country needs him where he is now.

Rightwingguy on October 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM

That’s my thought, as well.

Connie on October 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM

I don’t agree with that article. We don’t seem to have the best lineup for 2012, including Palin, but I do not see this nation growing more wary of free market economics, more accepting of abortion, illegal immigration, affirmative action, attacks on judeo christian values or more concerned with the environment. I see polls showing distrust of bigger government where all a candidate has to do is attack the economic policies of both Bush and Obama, I see growing support for the pro-life movement, securing our borders and a rejection of liberal social values and I see a growing skepticism over the global warming scam.

People aren’t drinking the Left’s kool-aid, we just need a true Conservative who also happens to be a good messenger. Bush was not a true Conservative, McCain was a terrible messenger. I have no problem with Petraeus running but no way is this now a Center-Left nation as the liberals declared after Obama’s victory. The people still hunger for another Reagan and his policies.

Daemonocracy on October 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Among the major Republican candidates, the only one who truly excites the base is Palin, yet she’s sufficiently poisonous to moderates at the moment that Bob McDonnell won’t even take her up on her offer to campaign for him in Virginia while sitting on a nine-point lead

What????

DUDE.

McDonell is up by 10 points. He shouldn’t even invite Ike himself. Whatever he’s been doing is working, and rule number 1 of campaigns:

IF YOU’RE AHEAD DONT SCREW IT UP

It’s not that Palin is lethal: it’s that she’s attention getting. McDonell is better to do the “Bob Casey vs Rick Santorum” plan: say nothing and do nothing and let your opponent wallow 10 pts behind.

AM I NOT CORRECT???

battleoflepanto1571 on October 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM

Among the major Republican candidates, the only one who truly excites the base is Palin

Uhhh, maybe thats because she was the veep nominee and its still 2009 (though with obama in charge it feels like 2015).

Give it time. Even with the endless campaign, there is time for someone else to emerge.

Also, Palin rocks. If she runs, she’s got my support.

Aquateen Hungerforce on October 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM

PS

Palin, “idiot”, is polling 40% against the first black nobel prize president.

She can only go up, and is already faring better than war hero Dole did against clinton in nov 96.

That’s pretty good odds.

Look at it this way: is anyone out there that WONT vote for Palin that already isn’t a palin hater????

If you hate palin, you ALREADY hate her. But she can certainly win others back!

battleoflepanto1571 on October 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Until he puts together a platform and lays out his views more I think I’ll pass.

Yawn

clement on October 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM

SARAH PALIN IS NOT THE ANSWER! I wish people would stop pushing her. It’s not going to happen.

txag92 on October 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Advice: Just ignore it. We heard for months on here how Fred was going to crush the other GOP candidates, win the primary, then crush the Democratic nominee. He was out shortly thereafter. I’m still learning to ignore the dreams.

amerpundit on October 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM

OK, it’s no secret I’m not a Palinista. I’ll digress on that…my real question is, what/whom IS “the base” of the GOP? The social cons? They’re not the majority, so “base” can’t mean that. And Palin doesn’t have majority GOP approval either. So…who IS “the base”? I’m really confused on that.

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

The icky people you don’t like, and whose votes you don’t need to win. Go for it.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Allahpundit, do you ever sleep? :)

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
What’s it to you?

bloggless

I’m his wife :)

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Could we please STOP the insanity?
Petraeus is an American hero.
Let’s just get the idiots in congress to play ball, establish their plan, beat that drum, and destroy the dems in 2010.
Then, we start the march to 2012.

HornetSting on October 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM

And for you Beinhart bashers, he is a smart, straightforward liberal. He doesn’t deal in lies, smears, or idiocy. He is one of the few good ones who has an honest disagreement with the conservative worldview, and can defend it in an intelligent (albiet, in my view, wrong) manner.

Don’t hate the player.

Aquateen Hungerforce on October 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Aquateen Hungerforce on October 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM

He wrote a book about how only liberals can win the war on terror and save America. Obviously he deals in idiocy.

amerpundit on October 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM

We nominated the most moderate republican in the party and lost huge. It’s time to nominate a strong conservative. I don’t mean an evangelical conservative necessarily, but a strong fiscal conservative who believes in the Constitution and a muscular foreign policy.

jonezee on October 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Like McCain in 2008, Petraeus could largely skip the Iowa caucuses, which evangelicals dominate, and instead focus on New Hampshire, where independents can vote. In both 2000 and 2008, it was New Hampshire that boosted McCain, and New Hampshire, as it turns out, is the closest thing Petraeus has to a home state. From there it would be on to South Carolina, where military pedigrees go a long way.

AND, we need to change the primary process….I am tired of buffoons in IA, sorry Iowa, NH, screw you liberals posing as independants, SC, whatever…..
It is election racism against states that get to vote, oh, sometime in JUNE when it’s already OVER!
Screw it all, SUPER DUPER TUESDAY and ALLOW THE ENTIRE USA TO SPEAK!

HornetSting on October 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM

I wish he were wrong. – FIFY

Knott Buyinit on October 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM

The icky people you don’t like, and whose votes you don’t need to win. Go for it.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM

*sigh*

I’ve always said we need “Cohesion” as a party to win. I’d LOVE to have your support. You only want me out of the way.

Again, I digress.

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Parties that have grown narrow and extreme tend to spiral downward until they nominate someone who is not beholden to their narrow, extreme base.

Like Obama??? Look this isn’t difficult. This isn’t about the narrowing of the GOP or shifts in voter attitudes. People vote with their wallets. If the economy improves by 2012, we could have a Reagan/Churchill ticket and still lose. If the economy is in the tank, we could nominate Roadrunner/Coyote and win.

Erich66 on October 13, 2009 at 10:44 PM

SARAH PALIN IS NOT THE ANSWER! I wish people would stop pushing her. It’s not going to happen.

txag92 on October 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM

I’m with ya.

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Peter Beinart: Petraeus is the only candidate who can unite the GOP

Shear poppycock.

I wish he was wrong.

Don’t worry he is and if you believe him so are you.

MB4 on October 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM

The thought of having to wait until 2016 to be rid of The One makes me puke just a little in my mouth.

Sugar Land on October 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Like Obama??? Look this isn’t difficult. This isn’t about the narrowing of the GOP or shifts in voter attitudes. People vote with their wallets. If the economy improves by 2012, we could have a Reagan/Churchill ticket and still lose. If the economy is in the tank, we could nominate Roadrunner/Coyote and win.

Erich66 on October 13, 2009 at 10:44 PM

I thought 52% of voters voted with their heads up their asses….

HornetSting on October 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Sounds a lot like “going with the flow” rather than sticking to principle. Just because most of the country wants to see their freedoms erode doesn’t mean everyone has to join in. Ask Russians and they’ll tell you that the kind of accommodation and submission Beinart describes is exactly what happened there. As Solzhenitsyn put it, “we valued freedom too lightly.”

rivlax on October 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Palin and Petraeus are the only people that can unite the GOP.

They are the only two people I am willing to vote for in 2012.

cubachi on October 13, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Petreaus would get my support before Pawlenty, Huckabee, Romney or any of the other RINOs. In a heartbeat.

That being said, I would need to know his stand on the issues. Until then, noone besides Sarah has got me interested.

Norwegian on October 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Why don’t we just wait untill the media tells us who we should nominate in 2012…

… and then just hire Sen. John McCain’s staff to run the campaing?

Seven Percent Solution on October 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM

amerpundit on October 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM

You read it?

Aquateen Hungerforce on October 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Petrus would destroy Obama in a debate on foreign policy.

lavell12 on October 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM

SARAH PALIN IS NOT THE ANSWER! I wish people would stop pushing her. It’s not going to happen.

txag92 on October 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Again, Gig ‘Em to ya, but I have yet to see you offer a clear alternative, all I ever see is “None of the Above” or PALIN IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Can we have an answer please?

OK, it’s no secret I’m not a Palinista. I’ll digress on that…my real question is, what/whom IS “the base” of the GOP? The social cons? They’re not the majority, so “base” can’t mean that. And Palin doesn’t have majority GOP approval either. So…who IS “the base”? I’m really confused on that.

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

I don’t have a link handy, but I believe she has consistently garnered the highest favorables among conservatives and republicans in the last several polls, so I am not sure where you are getting that assessment from.

As for Petreaus, let’s see where he stands on domestic issues and how good of an executive he’d be.

davek70 on October 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM

The question why Palin-lovers should answer: Why is she toxic among indies?

rightistliberal on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Sorry: read that as the question Palin-lovers should answer..

rightistliberal on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

How about….”Who wants to be President of the United States?”

Put a call out for entries. Vet them all (ask for birth certificates). Make sure they are familiar generally with world history. Pick 500 left leaners and 500 right leaners and 500 centrists. All names in a barrel, have Miss America pick the winner.

Hail to the chief!

BL@KBIRD on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

And for you Beinhart bashers, he is a smart, straightforward liberal.

Aquateen Hungerforce on October 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM

And that’s the guy we’re looking to to choose our candidate?

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Don’t let Democrats frame the debate or choose our candidates for us.

Connie on October 13, 2009 at 10:55 PM

The question why Palin-lovers should answer: Why is she toxic among indies?

rightistliberal on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Smear Machine.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:56 PM

No way the General will run. He’s been battling the Big C.

He also has a nice spread here in Northern New England-who would ever wanna leave that?

Del Dolemonte on October 13, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Screw it all, SUPER DUPER TUESDAY and ALLOW THE ENTIRE USA TO SPEAK!

The entire US spoke on a date last year, you know.

rightistliberal on October 13, 2009 at 10:57 PM

1st off with the polling consistently demonstrating that the in the realm of the public trust of governmental institutions, the military is the last man standing by LARGE double digit margins. It would downright novel if we could have a man in the oval that all but the ultra-orthodox-lefty looney tunes could have faith in. That in itself would be an exercise in national healing.

So Patraeus or the what’s his name General rt, in LA would have my support out the gate.

That said, I feel Obama is walking a tight rope of trying to wreak havoc without the whole country going to hell in a handbasket before 2012. If however you are right and Obama takes a 2nd term, I fear even Patraeus in 2016 would prove a day late and a dollar short.

I predicted that if he took the White House on Nov 4, Obama would come out like a bat outta hell tryimg to implement his dastardly schemes prior to the new car smell wearing off, and the Congress and the public waking to his true intents. So far in this regard, he has defied even my wildest expectations in taking control.

While the stim bill, & now healthcare have been front and center, much else has been flying under the radar in terms of both the legislative & regulatory fronts. It ain’t pretty.

The point being, that if we by either extra-ordinary circumstances or a blatantly tragic blunder does not result in Obama being removed from office by 1/20/13, there will be no going back.

If so, I’ll be seriously Going Galt overseas, contingencies are already being arranged.

Archimedes on October 13, 2009 at 10:57 PM

The question why Palin-lovers should answer: Why is she toxic among indies?

rightistliberal on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

A question Palin-haters should answer: why are the Democrats becoming toxic among indies?

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Like Beinart says, a serious look at Petraeus would require another Republican flameout in 2012,

And the odds of that happening? I say quite high the way it looks now. I can only pray that I’m wrong.

galvestonian on October 13, 2009 at 10:58 PM

The reason is that just like the Republican right of the early 1950s, which kept insisting that the New Deal constituted socialism (or fascism),

And guess who was right in the end? Americans might well wish that the “national mood” would have strangled the New Deal in its cradle after the next few years.

The lack of Republican leaders is distressing however.

Revenant on October 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM

The question why Palin-lovers should answer: Why is she toxic among indies?

rightistliberal on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Simple, she has been temporarily destroyed by the MSM and libs who are scared to death of her. Remember what Rush says…why do they continue to attack her if she’s so weak and a non-factor? One good book, some good interviews, and exposure on HER terms would quickly clear up that “toxic” feeling.

davek70 on October 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM

I don’t have a link handy, but I believe she has consistently garnered the highest favorables among conservatives and republicans in the last several polls, so I am not sure where you are getting that assessment from.

As for Petreaus, let’s see where he stands on domestic issues and how good of an executive he’d be.

davek70 on October 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM

On Patraeus, yeah…agreed. Again, I don’t know enough of his issue stance to form an educated opinion. If he want the job, I’ll listen to what he has to say.

Regarding Palin’s GOP poll numbers…I don’t have links handy right now either, but I’ve seen her as not polling that well amongst our party. A few of these polls were posted here at HA recently too. I’m just to tired right now to reactivate my sleepy brain cells to find ‘em.

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM

One thing is for sure, if it were to be a Romney/Petreaus GOP ticket, that would be the most intelligent ticket ever on either side of the isle. Compare their academic resumes:

Gen. David Petreaus
- General George C. Marshall Award (Top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Class of 1983)
-M.P.A. in 1985 from Princeton
-Ph.D. in international relations in 1987 from Princeton

Mitt Romney
- Valedictorian earning his Bachelor of Arts degree summa cum laude in English at Brigham Young in 1971
- Joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. Graduated cum laude from the law school and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his business school class.

OKCubsFan on October 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM

my real question is, what/whom IS “the base” of the GOP? The social cons? They’re not the majority, so “base” can’t mean that. And Palin doesn’t have majority GOP approval either. So…who IS “the base”? I’m really confused on that.

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

The GOP has social, fiscal, and national security conservatives. There is some overlapping, but not always. For example, GW was not very fiscally conservative, was he?

I believe the social conservatives are the largest and most vocal group in the GOP, but not a majority. Somehow, we need to find ways to get the three groups to work together, or we are never going to win back Congress or the White House. As difficult as it is to do, that means making compromises. And more importantly, it means stopping efforts by anyone to drive out anyone else who doesn’t agree with them 90+% of the time.

Loxodonta on October 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Over the past couple of decades, the American people have grown more pro-environment, more culturally tolerant, and more suspicious of the unregulated free market, and yet the Republican Party has responded with a series of litmus tests for its presidential candidates that represent the political equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “la la la, I can’t hear you.”…

Which is why George Bush was not re-elected in 2004.
Oh, wait….

Vashta.Nerada on October 13, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Palin / Petraeus 2012!

Enoxo on October 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM

We heard for months on here how Fred was going to crush the other GOP candidates, win the primary, then crush the Democratic nominee.

amerpundit on October 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Comparing Fred Thompson to Sarah is meaningless. Care to guess who will sell more books (both Sarah & Fred has a book coming out in November)? We’ll see.

I was on HotAir back then, and most Fredheads became Mittbots shortly after he dropped out. They probably still are.

If Sarah only gets 50 people to show up at a campaign event (which happened multiple times for both Thompson and Romney) you might have a point.

Norwegian on October 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM

I thought 52% of voters voted with their heads up their asses….

HornetSting on October 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM

You’re correct, but that’s the majority for you. The problem I have with articles like this is that the vast majority of people are not political junkies. They only pay attention come election time, and then they want an answer to one basic question: how’s the economy (in five words or less). They ignore the finer details, which is why a thousand Ayers or Rev. Wright connections likely would not have derailed Obama.

Erich66 on October 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Whilst I admire Petraeus and think he would make an excellent commander in chief, I think that he would need to elaborate where he stands on a whole host of topics, polices and issues before before he can be given any serious consideration.

As for Peter Beinart, can someone please explain to me why the GOP should move in the direction that a liberal journalist/blogger thinks it should go in?

Hellrider on October 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM

OKCubsFan on October 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Good grief. Is that Poptech with the resumes again?

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Well, an “I like Ike” is one way to handle crushing defeat.

The other is the Barry Goldwater model. Run a purist, watch him get crushed, and then have everybody thinking 4 years later- “Gee we should have gone with the conservative”.

Sackett on October 13, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Sooner or later we will all be slaves to Big Government. Half the population wants to be taken care of and most of the other half is too afraid to risk their comfort for real revolution. So, the taxpayers will continue to be willing hosts for the parasitic tax-takers.

DerKrieger on October 13, 2009 at 11:07 PM

It’s time to nominate a strong conservative. I don’t mean an evangelical conservative necessarily, but a strong fiscal conservative who believes in the Constitution and a muscular foreign policy.

jonezee

Fred. In the world as it should be, Fred would be prez instead of the idiot jackass we’re stuck with now.

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Regarding Palin’s GOP poll numbers…I don’t have links handy right now either, but I’ve seen her as not polling that well amongst our party.

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Well then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I was on HotAir back then, and most Fredheads became Mittbots shortly after he dropped out. They probably still are.

Norwegian

Not me.

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM

I believe the social conservatives are the largest and most vocal group in the GOP, but not a majority. Somehow, we need to find ways to get the three groups to work together, or we are never going to win back Congress or the White House. As difficult as it is to do, that means making compromises. And more importantly, it means stopping efforts by anyone to drive out anyone else who doesn’t agree with them 90+% of the time.

Loxodonta on October 13, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Lox, I am thrilled to say…I agree with you there completely. All this “purge the RINO’s” language and stuff is ony divisive. United We Stand, my friend.

COHESION.

We all in the GOP will have to do some give and take. It’s the only way. (PS I still wanna chat with you about that stuff we talked about a while back. I’ll send ya a tweet tomorrow.) Off to sleep…

JetBoy on October 13, 2009 at 11:10 PM

I am going out on a limb here, but I predict that pendulum is about to take a drastic swing back to the right.

bitsy on October 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Ditto!

Archimedes on October 13, 2009 at 11:12 PM

But there’s a political logic to it: Parties that have grown narrow and extreme tend to spiral downward until they nominate someone who is not beholden to their narrow, extreme base.

You mean like the Democrats in 2008? LOL

ddrintn on October 13, 2009 at 11:13 PM

davek70 on October 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Pretty disgusting how the media was so quick to smear one person. Once you dug deeper you would discover they were lying. Worse was how eager they were to dismiss anything that would damage their savior as a smear.

jdkchem on October 13, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Everyone who lives and dies by these pseudo-scientific polls and heavily biased op-eds (Daily Beast?!) should stop to consider that an honest, persuasive leader can flip any poll 180 degrees with one speech.

Cylor on October 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM

All this “purge the RINO’s” language and stuff is ony divisive.

The RINOs are divisive, not the language used.

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 11:16 PM

We have zero idea of Petraeus’ policy stances.

Before Saint Sarah’s Holy Warriors hijacked the thread, this was the important point.

Let it be said the general public didn’t have any idea of Ike’s policy stances either. I’m not sure he did. In fact, Truman thought Ike was a Democrat, and was willing to step aside for him until informed the General considered himself a Republican.

Osama Obama laid his policies out pretty clearly. That’s why most of us here recoiled in horror at the prospect of his winning the election. Unfortunately, a majority either didn’t pay attention or wanted to turn the country into a weak socialist cesspool.

If Petraeus wants to run — and everyone is speculating; he hasn’t said anything I’ve heard — he has time to make his positions clear.

On the basis of his honor and record alone, I’d say he’s the best choice for ’12. If his policies match his service, we have a winner.

What I’m hoping is that he has to run against President Biden, who takes over when the Chicago Jesus is deservedly impeached. Otherwise, we may need Petraeus where he is, to defend the nation against enemies foreign and domestic.

MrScribbler on October 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM

One thing is for sure, if it were to be a Romney/Petreaus GOP ticket, that would be the most intelligent ticket ever on either side of the isle. Compare their academic resumes:

Gen. David Petreaus
- General George C. Marshall Award (Top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Class of 1983)
-M.P.A. in 1985 from Princeton
-Ph.D. in international relations in 1987 from Princeton

Mitt Romney
- Valedictorian earning his Bachelor of Arts degree summa cum laude in English at Brigham Young in 1971
- Joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. Graduated cum laude from the law school and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his business school class.

OKCubsFan on October 13, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Poptech…lol

I don’t deny this would be an intelligent ticket, but where is the Obama intelligence getting us right now? Sorry, time to put some common sense conservative back into the WH.

davek70 on October 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Is Maliki staging a “rolling coup” in Iraq?

MB4 on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Hmmm, doesn’t ound good, at all.

Bieng Shia and having real contacts in Iran, is sensing which way the wind blows with The Feckless Won in the oval.

Worrisome indeed, thanks for the link though I dad’nt caught that report. Informative.

Archimedes on October 13, 2009 at 11:18 PM

The question why Palin-lovers should answer: Why is she toxic among indies?

rightistliberal on October 13, 2009 at 10:54 PM

The media and Dems(I know, I’m being redundant) launched a smear campaign against her the likes of which I’ve never seen. And don’t give me that Katie Couric interview BS. Her family was being dragged through the mud before she even gave her acceptance speech. Considering she was a virtual unknown to 99.99% of Americans before the convention, it’s only natural a good chunk of the public bought into the narrative.

As for her current numbers with indies, it’s not like Barry is doing too well with them at this point either. The bottom line is the woman has to reintroduce herself to the American people, and this time she can do it on her own terms. The Facebook posts, the Hong Kong speech, and the advance book sales all show that she’s got that certain something that captures the attention of the public. It’s up to her to not let her opponents caricature her like last time.

And BTW, I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating. Hillary had half the country despising her before her primary battle with Obama a year and a half ago. If someone as polarizing as her can get most of the country to warm up to her, than so can Palin.

Doughboy on October 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM

What RINO has ever done one good thing for the party?

beachgirlusa on October 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM

We heard for months on here how Fred was going to crush the other GOP candidates, win the primary, then crush the Democratic nominee.

amerpundit on October 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Comparing Fred Thompson to Sarah is meaningless. Care to guess who will sell more books (both Sarah & Fred has a book coming out in November)? We’ll see.

I was on HotAir back then, and most Fredheads became Mittbots shortly after he dropped out. They probably still are.

If Sarah only gets 50 people to show up at a campaign event (which happened multiple times for both Thompson and Romney) you might have a point.

Norwegian on October 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Fred was never really in the race, period. He followed on Huck’s heels all thru SC to undermine him there and allow his best bud Mac to take SC. Mac needed SC to go with NH or he was bailing.

It was a stalking horse strategy from its very inception, trust me, I was “in the room” when it was planned.

Archimedes on October 13, 2009 at 11:22 PM

I view Gen. David Petraeus. As man who resembles the Nations first General of the Cont. Army? General George Washington. A dedication to his country to keep it safe and secure- whether the battle is in the Field, or In The Office Of The President of The United States.

hawkman on October 13, 2009 at 11:24 PM

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