Obama must send more troops, says … Dianne Feinstein?
posted at 10:55 am on October 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Perhaps this shouldn’t surprise too much. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) has a more sensible approach to the war than many of her colleagues, and at least apparently the White House. Feinstein completely rejected the notion that the US could live with a resurgent Taliban, and warned that it would have a “dramatic impact” on Pakistan if the US pulled out of Afghanistan. Feinstein also questioned why Barack Obama would have appointed Gen. Stanley McChrystal to lead the effort if the White House didn’t run with his “very solid recommendations,” as she told George Stephanopoulos yesterday, and that the White House needed to make up its mind tout suite:
FEINSTEIN: Well, what he revealed was his thinking up to this point, and that the fact that he wanted to hear from various members, and some of us spoke up. And I’ll tell you what I said. I reviewed all of the intelligence and looked at the situation, and it was pretty clear to me that violence was up 100 percent, 950 attacks in August. The Taliban now controls 37 percent of the people in the areas where these people are. Attrition in police is running 67 percent, either killed or leaving the service.
And the mission is in serious jeopardy. I think General McChrystal, who is one of our very best, if not the best at this, has said a counterterrorism strategy will not work. The president said to us very clearly, just as you said, George, we will not pull out.
Now, if you’re going to stay, you have to have a way of winning. The question is, what is that way? And I think the counterinsurgency strategy, which means protecting the people, not shooting from afar, but securing, taking, holding, and providing security for a period of time is really critical. …
STEPHANOPOULOS: That leads to — that leads to a key question that I know the White House was debating, actually, this week. In order to defeat Al Qaida, do you need to completely defeat the Taliban or can you learn to live with the Taliban?
What’s your answer to that question, Senator Feinstein?
FEINSTEIN: I think it depends on what you mean by “Taliban.” I think if you take the Haqqani network, which I gather was generally responsible for the bombing of the interior ministry in Kabul, I think they’re hardcore fanatics.
If you look back, too, at Taliban control, when it had more in the earlier days, and I’ve got to tell you, I particularly worry about women in Afghanistan, acid in their face of children, girl children who go to school, women who can’t work when they’re widowed, huddled on the streets, begging, women beaten and shot in stadiums, you know, Sharia law with all of its violence, I mean, that’s one element of the — of the Taliban.
I think we need to look for those warlords that we can work with, those Pashtuns who want to work for stability, for good, solid governance. I don’t think we can make the country into a Jeffersonian democracy, but I do think you — you’ve got to stabilize this country.
You leave this country, and the Taliban are increasing all of the time. They’re taking over more. It will have a dramatic impact on Pakistan one day. I really believe that.
FEINSTEIN: Now, should we stay there for 10, 12 years? General, I don’t think so. I don’t think the American people are up for that or want that. But I think — I don’t know how you put somebody in who was as crackerjack as General McChrystal, who gives the president very solid recommendations, and not take those recommendations if you’re not going to pull out.
If you don’t want to take the recommendations, then you — you — you put your people in such jeopardy, just like the base in Nuristan. We lost eight of our men. We didn’t have the ability to defend them, and now the base is closing, and effectively we’re — we’re retreating away from it. And so I think the decision has to be made sooner, rather than later.
Feinstein makes a lot more sense than the White House leakers did last week. One can certainly hope to promote moderate Pashtuns in place of the Taliban leadership which springs from that tribe, but the idea of moderate Taliban is nonsense, as Lara Logan reported on CBS. The Pashtuns have increasingly followed the radical Taliban tribal leadership because the Taliban appear to be winning. Caving in to the Taliban now would only cement that trend instead of convincing the Pashtuns to jettison their radical leadership and integrate into an Afghanistan democracy.
Also, note the phrasing Feinstein uses to describe the alternative “counterterrorism” strategy floated by the White House. She calls it “shooting from afar,” a direct reference to Barack Obama’s rather ignorant criticism of Bush’s strategy in Afghanistan, where Obama accused Bush of “air-raiding villages and killing civilians,” which we weren’t doing then. However, that’s exactly what the Obama administration proposes now in its leaked trial balloons, and at least Feinstein is willing to call them on it.










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I didn’t think she was up for re-election next year……
Vashta.Nerada on October 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM
And that in itself is downright frightening, isn’t it?
Drained Brain on October 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Um, I agree with DiFi? Is this April 1?
rbj on October 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM
It has started.
Johan Klaus on October 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Got to give credit where it’s due. Feinstein knows this isn’t popular with her base, yet she sticks to common sense and principles. And she’s been pretty consistent in this regard.
IrishEi on October 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM
You know things are terribly wrong when Feinstein makes more sense than Obama.
mizflame98 on October 12, 2009 at 11:05 AM
It’s been cold here in Texas the last few days, but I didn’t think that hell had frozen over.
Doughboy on October 12, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Drained Brain on October 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM
You got that right!
catlady on October 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM
I’m impressed with her reasoning on this issue, maybe she should have been made SOS!
boater1217 on October 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM
She made a solid case.
the_nile on October 12, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Feinstein has always had more common sense than most Democrat politicians. Not that that’s much to brag about.
exhelodrvr on October 12, 2009 at 11:09 AM
she ,unlike Boxer, will occasionally surprise by having some common sense, but usually she’s full of shit too.
gsherin on October 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM
She’s a liberal, alright, and while I disagree with her on most social and domestic issues, I’ve always liked Dianne Feinstein. I think she’s intellectually honest, sincere an even big enough to admit when she may have be mistaken. In this case, she appears to know more about what’s going on over there – chapter and verse – then the entire Obama Adminsitration. It’s clear that she has done her homework and studied the situation, alternative strategies and potential outcomes. It’s kind of refreshing to listen to someone like Feinstein as opposed to some dolt like Harry Reid, the House Speaker, or the Vice President, for that matter.
D2Boston on October 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Compared to Barbara Boxer, she’s a breath of fresh air.
NathanG on October 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM
tout de suite, actually
BigD on October 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM
“If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost Middle America” —LBJ
“If I’ve lost Feinstein, I’ve lost Looney America..”–BHO
Caper29 on October 12, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Diane Frankenstein has done her homework for once. She aces the quiz.
Obama FAILS epically.
UltimateBob on October 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM
you know there’s a massive behind the scenes clusterfark of epic proportions going on when both the military and a reliable leftist shill like Feinstein publically take bambi to the woodshed on this.
elduende on October 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Okay don’t jump all over me, but I will say this again. You cannot win in Afghanistan, no foreign power has ever been able to. The region has been unstable for hundreds of years. True we are not trying to colonize it, but this little war has been on for longer than we have been a republic and will be on after we get out. The regional ethnic groups have too long a tradition for them to suddenly decide to merge together (as it were).
That being said, if we are going to stay in this hell hole, then by God let’s give our armed forces the chance to do their job right. Let’s go in hard, let our men do what they are best at, and yes, that means that people will be killed. But you don’t fight a war thinking about fatalities you fight thinking about how to win!
I think the analysis I have seen over the last few weeks by some pundits is true – it was okay for Democrats to back Afghanistan as the war we had to win vs Iraq, but now the “chickens have come home to roost”, and they are showing they backed it for political cover and not because they truly believed in it.
catlady on October 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Does her husband still own the company that has gotten beaucoup military contracts?
I try not to be cynical, DiFi sounds sensible, but I just don’t trust most liberals.
Bishop on October 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM
She and Bob Kerry (See, e.g., his op-ed in WSJ yesterday) are among the very few adults in the Democrat room.
The rest are too busy singing…
mmmm mmm mm, Barack Hussein Obama.
TXUS on October 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM
“I Won”
did she not see the “Peace” prize that he won?
Octavia on October 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM
KerryKerrey.TXUS on October 12, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Obama is a fractional-term senator who has to go up against multi-term senators. He’s too weak to not have a very hard time fighting them. He can because of the powers of the office, but it will by awkward and ugly even when he wins.
exception on October 12, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Feinstein sounds reasonable only because so many hard leftwingers (Mr. President, I’m talking to you) are completely out of touch with reality on this issue. Still, I’ll give credit to Feinstein for a) knowing what she’s talking about, and b) saying it straight.
jwolf on October 12, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Time for a beer.
rjoco1 on October 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM
In essence, Feinstein has just said that our Commander In Chief has shirked his duties as commander of the military. That his indecisiveness is costing American soldiers their lives. In the last few weeks he’s been more preoccupied with Chicago and the Olympics, and now the Nobel Prize, rather than taking the action needed in battle. If he was actually military, he’d be relieved of command on the spot.
Jeff from WI on October 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Yeah, she’s just wonderful when she’s not letting secrets slip.
moonsbreath on October 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM
I try not to be cynical, DiFi sounds sensible, but I just don’t trust most liberals.
Bishop on October 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Don’t quote me on this but i do believe her husband got out of military contracting a couple years ago possibly for something in green energy.
heshtesh on October 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Feinstein:
vs.
Barack Obama’s adviser on Muslim affairs, Dalia Mogahed:
flyfisher on October 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM
catlady on October 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM
we have a lot at stake in defeating the Taliban/AQ. We don’t want them to have a base there and Pakistan is right next door and is unstable and has nuclear weapons.
gsherin on October 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM
vashta
word is gubernatorial run
ginaswo on October 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Feinstein won’t be up for re-election until 2014. However, there are rumors she might try a run for California Governor in 2010. I believe Dianne Feinstein has always had moderate positions on some issues, especially national security. But if she is going to make a run for governor, she may have to moderate her fiscal positions as well.
Loxodonta on October 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM
She really has been consistant. Before 2001, many liberals talked about how bad the Taliban was, esp. towards women, but Feinstein has not conveniently forgotten about it.
MamaAJ on October 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM
+++
the_nile on October 12, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Feinstein is the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Intelligence. With the Dems running everything, I’m glad they had the common sense to leave her in that position. Like I said before, she has been fairly consistent when it comes to the war(s).
IrishEi on October 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I really don’t understand the women in America allowing an American President to try and say a group like the Taliban, with their violent actions against women, is allowable and a possible partner in this conflicts resolution.
Jeff from WI on October 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I remember when Sen. Feinstein was questioning John Ashcroft during his AG confirmation hearings. Feinstein questioned Ashcroft about gays and referred to them as “choosing” the gay lifestyle. That alone tells me she has more guts (or sense) than many of her fellow Democrats.
tgharris on October 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Her husband will profit from it.
Spathi on October 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM
But, I want to!!
It depends on what the definition of win is. I don’t expect we can transform their culture, but I do expect we can keep the worst aspects of it weakened enough so they cannot aid any effort to strike us again. I’d also really, really like to know that Osama is no longer operational.
Yes. This is what we need to do.
And I agree here as well.
Can I still jump on you, please?
Loxodonta on October 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM
It’s just the way they do things over there. Who are we to judge? /s
Caper29 on October 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Immediately after that talk show appearance Feinstein probably got at least 3 phone calls from the White House telling her to get in line with the Obama way of thinking on Afghanistan. In other words, bluster, blame Bush, disinform, blame the Republicans, deflect criticism from Obama, obfuscate.
albill on October 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM
its shocking to feel that i should listen to what spathi says.
kelley in virginia on October 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM
I saw this snippet yesterday and completely fell off the couch.
SouthernGent on October 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Well, everyone profits from freedom , maybe not socialist.
the_nile on October 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Afghanistan CAN be won, but a win will require a heavy, serious expenditure. A win will require occupying and controlling the security of that unhappy land. We have to secure and protect. That means holding our turf, and expanding it – providing the security backdrop against which the local politics can sort themselves out. And the Taliban / Al Qaida have to believe that we will see the job through to its end. What is the cost to do so? 40,000 more troops is not going to be nearly enough. What are we – the citizenry of America – willing to spend? Are we willing to go years more into this enterprise?
Do we dare to not make that investment?
Viet Nam should have taught us that if you escalate gradually, the enemy has time to adjust. You cannot give him that time; yet, that is exactly what we have done. We should have learned that if you allow a guerrilla movement refuge and sanctuary, you cannot defeat him. Yet that is exactly what we have done. Small wonder that we are losing it over there – we are not committed, not to the levels of force, sacrifice, and expenditure that winning requires.
What is winning? Winning means the establishment of a national governing system committed to the dignity of all mankind, and an adherence to the rule of law. As Senator Feinstein said, it is not a Jeffersonian Democracy – that is merely the manner of selection. But the principles of human dignity and rule of law are universally and historically applicable.
ss396 on October 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I get that we have to fight the Taliban/AQ in Afghanistan but this area has hundreds of years of history of interference from foreign powers to no avail. That is why Taliban and AQ made it their escape hole.
If anyone can take these bastards it will be our guys, but they have to have the resources and the free reign to do so. I don’t see that happening here. I didn’t see it with Bush either.
catlady on October 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM
It’s going to be interesting to see what Obama does with McChrystal’s recommendations (if Barry can ever rouse himself long enough to get around to actually making a decision). Barry hand-picked McChrystal to run this war — the war Barry told us Bush had neglected, the war we should have been focused on winning (according to Barry) all along. It’s pretty clear that Barry has no stomach for this war, despite all his political posturing about it. If there weren’t U.S. armed forces’ lives at stake, it might be fun to watch Barry squirm.
AZCoyote on October 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Please do not use a breath of fresh air comparasion when talk about the two senator from CA. The “she’s a breath of fresh air” is reserved for only conservative females got that./sarc with some truth.
Clyde5445 on October 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM
ss396 on October 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM
We haven’t had that commitment since WWII in my estimation.
That is what frustrates me about this particular war theatre. In the eighties (I might have wrong time frame) this was Russia’s Viet Nam. You are correct, you can’t telegraph your freakin moves in a time of war to the enemy. All this public debate about troop levels in the press is surreal to me.
Wars are not won by committee. They are not won by singing kumbya around a campfire….
catlady on October 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM
DiFi is the voice of reason?
/head explosion
Kafir on October 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM
catlady on October 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM
it doesn’t matter what problems the Russians, British, or whoever encountered in the past, we must win there.
This president seems to think foreign policy should take a back seat to his insane domestic agenda, but w/o our national security we won’t have time to argue about tax policy, health care, etc.
gsherin on October 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Loxodonta on October 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Jump away, since I know my view is not the norm here.
However, your and ss396 view of winning makes sense to me. Weaken AQ and Taliban so that they cannot control the region, break AQ, strengthen the tribes that are more pro Western… make a government stable enough to keep the warring factions in line….
catlady on October 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Shes already done more research than our spoon-fed precedent has done. His advisors are telling him what they want him to know. They get their info from DailyKos and ThinkProgress.
canditaylor68 on October 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM
I have said before and will say again, Pelosi really believes Kos talking points while Feinstein has a brain.
rob verdi on October 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Well how is she going to appropriate funds for her husband’s business if the war is over?
C’mon people she has mouths to feed.
darclon on October 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM
This is just the flip side of being against the Gulf War . It was a safe bet . This is not going to happen , if all is well , her position will be forgotten . Does anybody remember the rats who opposed George H.W. Bush’s war ?
borntoraisehogs on October 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM
What financial interests of her’s will be hurt without an Afghanistan surge?
This seems inexplicable from DF, otherwise.
profitsbeard on October 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Very John Kerry-esuqe:
“I was against the war before I was for it.”
JohnBG on October 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Little blue on blue action this morning! Please, due explain that little tidbit.
TheUnrepentantGeek on October 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Follow the link on my above post (about 4-5 up). Or this.
Where is Code Pink to scream, WAR PROFITEER!!!!!
darclon on October 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Yeah, Let’s blame BUSH while our guys are still in harms way. Hussein needs to pull his head out and get busy.
BigMike252 on October 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Feinstein uses facts and data to make her case (very un-Democrat like).
Compare that to Barbara Boxer: “Call Me Senator. I’ve earned it.”
Which one is really earning their title?
Good article here.
UltimateBob on October 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Haven’t you heard? Now that their guy has his finger on the trigger, as opposed to that evil Bush, they’re more supportive of the war effort.
Hypocrites.
UltimateBob on October 12, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Of all the California Democrats in Congress, Feinstein seems to have her head screwed on tightest. She generally has a common-sense approach to things though she will go off on lefty base issues at times when she needs to maintain her support.
But overall she impresses me as a pretty smart person.
crosspatch on October 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Diane works on that committee and knows what’s what.
AnninCA on October 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM
The ever changing arguments to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely are the closest thing to a Perpetual Motion Machine ever devised by man.
MB4 on October 12, 2009 at 1:22 PM
What is going on in Afghanistan – troops, more troops, still more troops, and then probably even still more troops, is no longer a means to an end so much as it has become an end in itself – An obsessive/compulsive Bridge over the River Kwai in Afghanistan.
MB4 on October 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Feinstein does know the facts around foreign affairs. Feinstein is up for reelection in 2012!
So surprisingly, I think what you are hearing from Feinstein, is very likely what she really thinks.
I wrote her once about a unique take on the Kurds, so I know the reply came personally from her, although dictated. So she is serious about her image, and I am sure knows Democrats can realistically lose their seats over this situation in Afganistan, and if you think about it, even more so by 2012. Her reply is NOT Hollywood, but Hollywood isn’t California, as much as the people here in Hollywood seem to think they are the center of the universe…
But imagine Feinstein actually trying to do the right thing, maybe thinking of retiring in 2012… nah… she would want the seat to go to another Democrat in any case…
Danzo on October 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM
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Talk is cheap. I will believe DiFi is backing our military when I see her past and future votes on these issues. I don’t remember how she voted when President Bush wanted to do the “surge” in Iraq and was trashed by the democrats.
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John Bibb
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rocketman on October 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Actually, Code Pink went over there to drum up the anti-war gang – and were shocked to learn that the women of Afghanistan want the American troops to stay and to stay and to stay; that they are frightened to death about a resurgence of the Taliban. I guess they got so focused on “Hate Bush” and “Bush war bad” that they never thought about what the Taliban – and Sharia Law – actually means to women.
Hypocrites, surely, but wholly clueless and appallingly ignorant, too.
ss396 on October 12, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Is her husbands company still getting juice military contracts?
liquidflorian on October 12, 2009 at 1:56 PM
I was completely dumbstruck when I heard her enunciate this opinion yesterday.
Giving credit where credit is due, on this issue at this moment she is correct and eminently supportable.
ExpressoBold on October 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Follow the money.
MB4 on October 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM
She was never nailed on that one…not really.
I still think she worked a deal with Bush. She was one of the attack dogs against President Bush, after this mess, she was almost supportive, and rarely attacked the administration.
right2bright on October 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM
She maybe sincere about the troops…but she is covering her libtard ass….knowing that she is on the verge of having her sorry ass booted out of office. remember: she is San-fran favorite ?itch.
hawkman on October 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Dianne Feinstein, chicken hawk 2.0
R Square on October 12, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Even if Feinstein is liberal, (and I am no fan of hers), I think that what she said is sensible, and the USA would benefit if she was the Senate majority leader rather than the feckless Reid.
Her analysis of the situation deserves an A+ because she has read all of the signs correctly. If she was the commander-in-chief, then the military in Afghanistan would be in a far better position, than having a weak-kneed prissy pantywaist for President.
maggieo on October 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM
hawkman on October 12, 2009
I think that the crux of the things that she stated is well within what a genuine womens’ liberation person should say and that is the treatment of women and girls under the Taliban
I admire Feinstein because I believe that she is one of the very few in the Women’s liberation movement who has spoken up on behalf of the women and girls in Afghanistan who underwent so much in the way of torture when the Taliban took over the first time.
I am not a member of that movement. In fact I am aghast that they have remained silent over the atrocities that have been faced by Muslim women. There are Muslim women who even refuse to accept how widespread is the practice of honour killing. They will even use false comparisons (like it happens in India – despite the fact that it happens in India amongst the Muslim community).
Feinstein has shown a consistency of what it should mean to be a womens libber. That is she has brought up the more recent examples such as acid being thrown in the faces of girls attending school, and the fact that poison gas was also used upon them. She did fail to mention that there have been male teachers who have been murdered because they were teaching girls at their schools, but hey she has brought up those cases that are a shocking reminder of what the Taliban did when they were in power. It seems that Obama and Hillary Clinton have decided to abandon the women of Afghanistan, but Feinstein has not abandoned them….in some ways I wish that she was POTUS instead of that feckless idiot.
maggieo on October 12, 2009 at 5:19 PM
http://www.veteranoutrage.com
Personally i trust the democrats less than the islamic terrorists..
I think she is full of it..
Just like all liberals, she turns tail and runs
at the first sign of having to use her spine..
But it is possible like a TOAD that she is feeling the heat
underneath her slimy feet and is scrambling because she knows
the american people are about to RUN OVER
ALL THE TOADS IN WASHINGTON DC.
With the American SEMI CALLED
We VOTED your sorry asses in
and we sure as hell can VOTE you all OUT
and no matter how many ILLEGAL MEXICANS
you try to make into instant citizen democrats
we will TURN OUT IN FORCE
and if you put the democrat ghouls in front of the voting booth again WE will RUN THEM OVER TOO..
Its our county too not your to turn into a
democrat crap filled toilet..
you disgusting vermin..
http://www.veteranoutrage.com
veteranoutrage on October 13, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Considering that Diane Feinstein is a dual citizen..I wonder which country’s interests this warmonger is truly promoting here.
Our founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew today there would be so many high ranking government officials,congressmen and senators who are dual citizens of a foreign country.
It should be illegal
MaximusConfessor on October 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM