Video: O’Reilly versus Dawkins on evolution. What could go wrong?
posted at 4:00 pm on October 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
Food-fight material from the eternal debate for a slow-news Saturday afternoon. Every time we have a thread on this subject, a bunch of commenters end up pointing out that creationism and evolution aren’t strictly incompatible. In fact, O’Reilly takes that position himself. But if that’s how you want to play it in the classroom — teaching “evolution plus,” with the theory of design tacked onto the basic Darwinian syllabus — why don’t we get to teach “evolution minus” too showcasing evidence that there is, in fact, no God? Most biology teachers are content to teach the theory and leave the question of ultimate origin in the air, but if believers want to be aggressive about pursuing that, let’s be really aggressive and teach both possibilities. I’m sure Dawkins, Hitchens, and Sam Harris would leap at the chance of putting together a video presentation for America’s many impressionable Christian schoolchildren aimed at showing why God almost certainly doesn’t exist. How about it?
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I’ve met a few friendly happy atheists who did not seem to mind that I am a believer in god, but Dawkins is a arrogant miserable jerk!
MCGIRV on October 10, 2009 at 7:04 PM
this from someone who believes in the fairy tale of evolution…someone who cannot give you the mutations that led to th eye for example…or anything else…yet firmly believes it evolved, because evolution is true!!
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:04 PM
All it can do is make sense. In as much as we can sense it.
The funny thing is we can only talk about these things, with any honesty anyways, in terms of belief. One “believes” God is or one “believes” that God is not.
I think the militant pseudo scientists that equate atheism with objective reasoning are suffering intellectually.
While I also think Jesus, confronted with the Theory of Evolution would say “Wow, that’s really interesting, but what has that got to do with anything I just said?”
God transcends time and space. Scientific reasoning is a discipline of the mind in the physical world. Existence, though we are inferior to explain why or what it is, probably has something to do with the fact that you cannot have a one without a zero.
Saltysam on October 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM
I’ll disregard that last sniping bit of demagoguery since you certainly wouldn’t be that obtuse as to do the very thing you claim creationists do. I’m feeling charitable. :)
So, where did it all begin? Prove your theory.
Diane on October 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Barney Frank still walking around scott free…?
Seven Percent Solution on October 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Certainly, then let’s have a lesson on the fact that George Washington didn’t exist, or, how bout Abe Lincoln, or William Shakespeare, or gravity, or air, or the solar system, heck, let’s just throw everything we know about anything and jump in the tub with Allahpundit and blow our brains out.
What he suggested would make about as much sense as what I suggested.
Man, get a life dude! You are pathetic in your hatred of God, no pathetic is too nice a word, you’re borderline straight jacket material on this subject.
Joe Pyne on October 10, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Seeing as how atheists comprise 2% of the US population, and there are zero – zero – prominent atheist voices in the entire country, I’d say that yes, I am a rebel. Religion gets criticized as much as the religious leaders of the country will allow it. Richard Dawkins doesn’t exactly have his own show on FOX News, now does he?
It’s arrogant to assume that there is no higher intelligence than me because there has never been presented any evidence of this? Will you please take a class in logic so that you stop making an utter fool of yourself? What you’re saying doesn’t even make sense, even as rank ad hominem.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:06 PM
You’re saying the belief in a realistically untestable hypothesis which, for all intents and purposes, makes it a faith, is somehow more valid than a similarly realistically untestable hypothesis about higher intelligence. Brilliant.
Tell me, how many atheists believe there to be life on other planets, out of pure conjecture? I’ve talked to a number of them, so I’m looking for an actual estimate.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM
gee I didn’t know it was creationists who tried to silence sternberg, and got crocker and gonzales fired!! shazzzam!!
no you atheists have done a much better job with morality…starting with the TERROR in france, the gulag, the killing fields, etc…oh yeah…your form of government is just a beacon to mankind…well those that survive it…
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:08 PM
So that means the invisible pink unicorn exists, then. You cannot prove that it doesn’t exist, therefore, according to your brilliant logic, it exists. Right??
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Bacon.
justltl on October 10, 2009 at 7:09 PM
yet none of those “terrors” you listed were done in the direct name of atheism as as opposed to the many done in the name of Christianity, Islam, and Judism.,
Norvell on October 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM
You are pathetic in your lack of logic. Why does the mere thought of someone presenting evidence your god does not exist make you so apoplectic. You would love to present evidence of the existence of your god in the science classroom, but any questioning of your beliefs is taboo. See, in science, one only gets to debate with EVIDENCE. There is ample evidence that the literal bible creation story is bunk. It is only the extreme among Christians that believe the bible as literal truth.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM
We all know that the flying spaghetti monster is the true creator.
Norvell on October 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Agreed, and, unfortunately, we are going to have to include our buddy Allahpundit in that category as well.
I just heard Dawkins define faith as belief without evidence. He offered no evidence for that erroneous definition, of course.
Hey, Allahpundit, how come your boy, Richard Dawkins, refuses to debate Stephen Meyer author of “Signature in the Cell,” yet he had no problem debating John Lennox in 2007? Could it be he is tired of getting his butt kicked every time?
Joe Pyne on October 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM
really now? I missed the part in the bible where it talkes about burning those who disagree at the stake…perhaps you could post the verse?
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Can you provide even a single case where someone was sued for criticizing the theory of evolution? Silenced? You’re full of shit and projecting like an imbecile partisan hack Democrat incensed that someone dared criticize dear Obama.
The current view of evolution has come about precisely due to criticism of Darwin’s earlier work, and the theory has been modified over the years based on such scientific discussion.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:12 PM
The problem is not that both of these guys are clowns; it is that Dawkins is the atheist-picked champion for this sort of thing. Nobody on this side picked or wanted O’Reilly.
darclon on October 10, 2009 at 7:14 PM
That is what faith is.
definition of faith
One such definition “firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust”
So do we really have to debate the meaning of the words we use as well?
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Non sequitur alert.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM
guess you missed those cases where any school that tries to deviate from teaching strictly evolution is sued…and never heard of sternberg have you now?
I’m sure you’ll apologize…right you piece of shit.
link
more lies and BS. darwinism is alive and well..only the mechanism has changed.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:16 PM
So much inconsistency in one post…oh my.
You declared Christianity a leap of faith. Then you admitted the big bang theory was also, in essence, a leap of faith. Then, you ceded that we cannot fully know the origins of life.
Tell me, ifa particular theology says that God created…and that the creation narrative was more figurative than exactly literal (as I believe) then why is it totally implausible to believe an active agent of intelligence created the universe, especially since even you said the big bang was not conclusive?
Provide your evidence. What brought you to this conclusion?
Diane on October 10, 2009 at 7:17 PM
and of course gonzales and crocker were fired for deviating from the faith of darwinism.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:17 PM
It’s about volume, and with people like Hitchens(American citizen and has been for a few years) leading the pack and, like Dawkins, making the rounds constantly, it’s rather ridiculous of you to assume you’re taking some kind of avant-garde position. It’s the spirituality(or lack thereof) du jour. How many articles are regularly talking about groups like the Freedom From Religion Foundation. Cut the victimhood crap.
I’m sorry, I haven’t seen the “Christians are right” hour on FOX News, not that I watch the network much. Straw man, bub. Again, they have regularly had on atheist voices to debate various issues. They don’t devote entire programming blocks to religion only.
Is atheist criticism somehow being “squelched” by being invited on the top programs on television? Explain the hindrance you envision being imposed upon you poor, censored wretches.
Yes, it’s arrogant to assume you’re the top of the intellectual chain. Apparently you’re too arrogant to even understand the basic premise that capacity for comprehension is something even we’ve discovered is only partially utilized by our species. We look at vast expanses of space, a virtually limitless universe, and you’re quite content to sit back and be assured that you’re the top dog.
That’s fine, but your dissonant sneering at anyone who disagrees with you is repulsive, and as always, ironically mirrors the exact same attitudes of fundamentalist believers of other faiths. Oh…and keep talking about my faith all you like. As is well known by the regulars, I’m a dyed-in-the-wool agnostic. Watching you and some others is like looking at two sides of a coin.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Hey, Skippy, anytime you want a debate, bring it on! The problem with atheists like you is you continue to talk about all this so-called evidence that God doesn’t exist, but when confronted you do nothing more than make assertion after assertion. No evidence, just assertions. Just the whining scream of a spoiled child who didn’t get his way.
Yes, evolution is a fact. Hard, incontrovertible fact.
And how do we know it’s a fact? By the number of adjectives we can line up in one sentence. That’s how you prove a scientific theory. By the cumulative use of emphatic, redundant adjectives. Rows and rows of adjectival evidence.
Joe Pyne on October 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM
What is wrong with strictly teaching scientific theories? What, you think YOUR version of faith is what should be taught? Hate to break the news to you, but there are other faiths than yours, and you may not like the teaching of their faith in a SCIENCE class. Now if we actually scientifically analyze your religious beliefs, I doubt you would like the results.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:20 PM
1. If there was an atheist election, I sure haven’t heard of it
2. O’Reilly picked Dawkins to be on his show
Not that I mind Dawkins, but there might be other atheists who could make a better case. O’Reilly is no match for Dawkins, though. At all.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:20 PM
darn you, MadCon. :P Japanese food makes me sluggish…….
Diane on October 10, 2009 at 7:20 PM
I’ve met more than a few “so-called” scientists that I’ve had to explain why hydrogen is not a solution to the energy problem. Talk about embarrassed after their “eureka” moment.
Saltysam on October 10, 2009 at 7:21 PM
evolution is much more than a ‘scientifc’ theory…its the religion of atheism posing as ‘science’ It tries to explain all human behavior. and evolution is a faith….list the mutations IN ORDER, that led to the eye…you cannot, yet you are certain the eye evolved….FAITH.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I am a fundamentalist evangelical christian. I am also a biologist. I have taken two philosophy of science classes. I have studied evolution. Now that I have given myself absolute moral authority on the subject: My faith has been strengthened by taking these classes. Not one iota of my faith was shaken by the discussions in these classes.
According to the bigots here I must really hate myself.
daesleeper on October 10, 2009 at 7:21 PM
how do you reconcile christianity…and this…
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:23 PM
There IS evidence for evolution. There IS NOT evidence for the biblical creation story. If you want to believe the bible, then that is your choice and your right. But the bible is not proof, it is just a bunch of stories written, and then re-written over the firs few hundred years of the church. That doesn’t come close to evidence for the creationist version of the genesis of life.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:24 PM
There seems to be some confusion as to what I thought was fairly clearly state.
I DID NOT CLAIM THAT EVOLUTION HAS BEEN PROVEN.
I stated that to disparage on the basis of it being only a theory, was to display an ignorance of theory.
That Darwin’s Theory is a rigorously (this thread is an example) scrutinized Accepted Theory that puts it in the lofty company of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. No mean company that.
Both of these theories despite our utilization of tghe atom are not yet Scientific Law like Leibnitz’s & Newton’s. Until they reach this standard of accredation they are not proven.
But as we recognize nuclear plants and the erasure of two Japanese cities, they are about as close as one can get without actually arriving.
Archimedes on October 10, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I haven’t heard of such a case as you describe. Sternberg? Oh no, he was criticized and mocked by his peers. Someone call nanny Obama.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I’ll get some sushi tonight to compensate. Gotta keep things fair. Spread the reaction time. :P
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Cognitive dissonance is a lifestyle of the many.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Better read the Bible and make sure your God is OK with you eating sushi.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM
1) That is not the definition of biblical faith, or the faith most people place in a chair when they sit in it, or the faith people place in other people when they drive through an intersection when the light is green. Got it?
2) We do have to define our terms since your side has been in the process of deconstructing science for the past 200 years.
You believe in something that has no proof, macro-evolution. Here’s an excellent example of what I mean from a recent review of Dawkins latest book:
You atheists never offer evidence because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE for macro-evolution or in your ridiculous assertion that there is no God.
Just stop, you’re only making yourself look like a fool.
Joe Pyne on October 10, 2009 at 7:28 PM
That’s almost the exact same reaction I had to the headline.
Don’t suppose you’re going to be downtown tonight?
BadgerHawk on October 10, 2009 at 7:29 PM
That is entirely wrong. The theory of evolution has been adapted and modified over time based on incontrovertible evidence. ALL science works that way. It is the intolerant religious bigot that cannot allow his or her beliefs to be challenged.
Evolution does not as its aim set out to disprove the existence of god, but science is not going to accept, nor should it, religious doctrine as fact.
I think AP’s point is well made–suggesting we ACTUALLY scientifically analyze a religious doctrine pretending to be science would expose it to be the most absurd theory in the history of science. That’s not to say that the religious belief is factually untrue–it’s just that it is not science. As such, if presented in a peer reviewed scientific journal as a complete theory of the genesis of life, it would be laughed out of the room–by religious scientists as well.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Only one problem there Einstein, your faith (Darwinian Evolution) is the only one allowed to be taught in the public schools. What are you people so afraid of?
Joe Pyne on October 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM
It looks like the pea-brain conservative has his panties in a bunch. I don’t think an immature brat like you MadisonConservative, has any business criticizing another poster for bad behavior. For a so-called agnostic, you sure get testy when religion is attacked.
Norman Blizter on October 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Demagoguery? I’m trying to attain power through propaganda by stating that religious leaders prey on the ignorance of people to get them to subscribe to their cult?
I’m sorry, but that’s how all cults in the history of man have operated. Knowledge is power, and the more knowledge you have, the less likely you will become part of a cult.
Where did all of what begin? If you’re talking about the theory of evolution, there are more than enough books out there that can lay it out for you, I’m not going to waste my time reiterating it all to you here.
And regardless of whatever the basis of the theory of evolution is, there’s infinitely more evidence of it than God.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:31 PM
he was harassed..ie they tried to silence him…and send a message to anyone else who may dare disagree…brown-shirt tactics….typical of darwiniacs.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:32 PM
I believe God created the universe. I don’t know this for a fact. It’s my belief. I know of no method to prove how the universe was created scientifically or religiously, and believe it will always be a matter of belief, whether scientific or religious.
I also believe The Holy Bible is the Word of God. It’s just that I believe God did not intend His every word to be interpreted literally, as if He had no ability to speak to us figuratively and symbolically. However, I don’t know either of these things for a fact either, but believe them. Further, I know of no method to prove The Holy Bible is the Word of God or not the Word of God, and that this shall always be a matter of belief, whether religious or scientific.
To me, science and scientific method, and rational thought are means to observe and understand physical reality.
But is that all there is? Just physical reality?
To my eyes and ears and all my physical senses, yes.
But from my heart I know there is so much more to existence.
And I don’t mean “heart” literally.
Loxodonta on October 10, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Atheists and their ilk are intellectually dishonest people. They think they are know-it-alls and they really know nothin’. In fact, despite years of peer-reviewed science that proves the Shroud of Turin is the real burial cloth of one Jesus Christ, we have all these claims that there is NO PROOF, NO PROOF. In fact, we just had another one of these dimwitted so-called “scientists” claim he has “recreated” the famous cloth. Alas, these ignorant “intellectuals” ignore all the facts so that it doesn’t upset their tiny little world where there is no spiritual warfare. For those who want to understand that NO HUMAN BEING can every “recreate” the Shroud, here is the link: greatspiritualbattle.com
Of course, there are those who will still try to dispute the irrefutable evidence, but then they are the ones who will, as no one leaves this planet alive, have to contend with the One who they believe is a “fairytale.” Remember, once one understands that Jesus is who He said He is, then one must examine one’s life in the Light of His Truth. Atheists are afraid to do that so they would rather bring up the past and condemn man’s sins rather than live in reality and reform their own lives. In fact, one of the simplest reasons to prove the Shroud is real is that, just like the One it wrapped, it is surrounded in controversy. A controversy atheists cause themselves since that cannot believe the scientific facts — and there is no missing link with the Shroud.
For the Shroud asks all to gaze upon the Face and answer the same question Jesus asked of Peter: “who do you say I AM?” And only the individual can answer that, the heart of the spiritual warfare for souls between God and His enemy (you know, the one atheists can’t bring themselves to admit exists either).
simeon on October 10, 2009 at 7:32 PM
sure…ever hear of Israel?? there it is…just as God said it would be, 2,500 years ago…oh and iran is her primary enemy…again just as God said it would be…I know…its all a ‘coincidence’ sure.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:33 PM
If creationism/intelligent design is taught in public schools, I’m afraid that America will become an “Idiocracy”.
Norman Blizter on October 10, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Is knowing everything hard? That seems to me like it would be a big responsibility and somewhat of a burden. Your arrogance is rather repulsive.
I do not feel that reconciling my faith and those concepts is warranted. I appreciate many aspects of evolutionary theory. It is simply unable to identify the first cause.
daesleeper on October 10, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Just to clarify: Gallileo was not censured for teaching the hypothesis that the sun was the centre of the system which the earth revolved around but for teaching it as a definitive fact which, as yet, it was not. Copernicus taught the same theory a hundred years prior to Gallileo and it was lectured on in the Papal schools.
aengus on October 10, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Not testable, not falsifiable, not science!
daesleeper on October 10, 2009 at 7:35 PM
That’s because it’s the only one based on science. You know, evidence? If you want faith, go to church. What are you so afraid of? 2% of the population giving you a hard time?
Oh no, here come those scary atheists again, with their 2% of the population. Fear of atheists is on par with the Muslim fear of Jews: completely irrational and out of proportions with reality.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:36 PM
yeah we don’t want people thinking for themselves…schools are SO WONDERFUL now…oh yeah especially in DC, Detoit, chicago…why would ANYONE want to change ANYTHING about publiKKK SKOOLS???? duhhhhhhh
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Where (in the Bible I assume) does it say that and what exactly was said?
Norman Blizter on October 10, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Oh my, these pro/con god threads can be an interesting diversion at times, but it never seems to last. Far to often those that (on both sides) relish the give and take of intelligent discourse, are driven out by absolutist tyranny we all supposedly abhor here on HA.
It is at that point now that it seems we have arrived and the enjoyable company has dispersed to other threads. For those who are the reasonable and wish to stick it out I doff me cap. To those not (sexion comes to mind) I wish you’d infest elsewhere.
I bid you all adieu!
Archimedes on October 10, 2009 at 7:36 PM
That arrogance strikes again, with normal results. By the way, for an atheist, why would you be capitalizing the name of someone you don’t believe exists?
Eh, I don’t go downtown much. Parking is a pain.
The tolerance overwhelms.
Says the guy consistently attacking his opposing ideology as “pea-brained” and his opposing belief as “fairy tales”. I am an agnostic. Call me a liar all you like, since that’s all you have.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Oh no, he was harassed with mocking of his illogical moronic beliefs in a scientific institutions. I’m sure that’s what the Nazi brown shirts did. Mock people.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Well, if we have to debate the clear meaning of words in the english language, then it’s going to be a tough debate. Apparently Merriam-Webster is part of an anti-Christian conspiracy whereby the meaning of the word “faith” has been bastardized by the hand of the devil.
And that snippet about not knowing whether dogs descended from wolves or not knowing the various descendants of the cabbage family…man are you being intentionally obtuse? That dogs have been domesticated from wolves is a well documented part of human history–and the same is true about the brassica genus of plants.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:37 PM
evolution is FAITH…you cannot name the mutations that led to the eye…yet you BELIEVE the eye evolved….and you can say the same about every other complex organ in the body….its faith….atheistic faith…nothing more…nothing in the fossil record, which shows just the opposite of evolution, nothing in the lab, or the field….
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:37 PM
If you’re a citizen, it already is.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:38 PM
I think you pretty much prove you’d be a top notch idiot in an America that teaches creationism as science.
Norman Blizter on October 10, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Allahpundit should send you an e-mail right before he posts every religion thread. I almost always learn something.
BadgerHawk on October 10, 2009 at 7:39 PM
I think Blitzer has bunched panties surgically implanted betwixt his buttocks. That poster is ALWAYS angry or attacking or impugning. It is really ridiculous.
daesleeper on October 10, 2009 at 7:39 PM
guess you missed this…
but continue with your lies and BS…its all ya got…if this was a darwiniac harassed by creationists…oh my…congress would be investigating!!
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Not afraid of anything. I like the idea–let’s analyze the evidence for your faith in science class then. But that’s not what the Creationists are asking for–they want to present their fiction without challenge.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:40 PM
how can that be, since I’m a product of SKOOLS that taught darwinism only??? hmmmm??
you must be in a great deal of pain…such stupidity has to hurt…
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM
If it is, it is because of people like you.
Norman Blizter on October 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM
You must be hard of hearing, there is no evidence for Darwinian Evolution! Here is another excerpt from the review of Dawkins book -
Your problem is not lack of evidence, your problem is an insane hatred for your Creator. Good luck with that.
Joe Pyne on October 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Yes, your stupidity hurts me a great deal.
Norman Blizter on October 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM
this is such an obvious lie…when have creationists sued school districts to stop teaching evolution??? hmmmmm??
you darwiniacs are shameless liars….no wonder your trouble is in such trouble.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I know you won’t appreciate the irony of it, but you apparently take pride in the fact that Hitler’s actions led to the validation of your faith.
But OK, let’s play your little game. Please cite from the Bible where it says this. I’m going to divinely predict that it’s a tad more nuanced and ambiguous than what you just said. If I’m right, that must mean I am a God, since only Gods can make predictions that may or may not turn out to be correct, according to you.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM
It’s no wonder Seixon went to bat for CJ despite the smearing tactics of himself and his commenters. The irony of him doing that, and then talking about Christianity being a “cult” is going to give me a heart attack with its richness.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM
making you look stupid gives me a great deal of pleasure…and its so damn easy!
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM
People have a hard enough time with science, why do you feel the need to teach them science fiction?
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:43 PM
You’ve been reduced to “NO U”. That’s awesome.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:43 PM
You are an idiot for sure. Creationists have gotten on school boards with the sole agenda of removing Evolution from the curriculum.
Norman Blizter on October 10, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Now you’re just outright lying!
There is no, I repeat NO, creation science organization that wants unchallenged teaching of either creation or evolution. None, zippo, nada.
When you are ready to move out of the kindergarten class of epistemology, please let me know.
Joe Pyne on October 10, 2009 at 7:44 PM
given that your precious theory of evolution led to the gas chambers for the jews…I’m sure you appreciate the irony of that…
read ezekiel 37-39….and yes you atheists think you are gods…its rather obvious.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:44 PM
You’re only making yourself look stupid but if making yourself look stupid is giving you pleasure, knock yourself out.
Norman Blizter on October 10, 2009 at 7:45 PM
post your proof fat boy. bet ya can’t…but go ahead this should be good!
bet you stink too!!
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:45 PM
oh I can’t hold a candle to a legend-in-their-own-mind atheist like you…you probably even think you’re clever…too funny!!
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Oh lord. It’s Blizter versus right4life. Like two Bettas in separate tanks. Where’s my popcorn?
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM
thats what they’re teaching them…evolution…thats probably why the SKOOLS are failing so…darwinism is for dummmies.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM
It’s arrogant to mock the fact that you let a book written hundreds of years ago decide how to live your life? Do you know what arrogant even means?
Why wouldn’t I capitalize God? I wasn’t aware that you only capitalize pronouns of things that exist. From now on, I will write Harry Potter as harry potter, in your honor.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Again, you are citing extraordinarily fatuous arguments, which apparently you accept as convincing. It is also common knowledge that viruses HAVE BEEN MADE FROM SCRATCH.
I feel less intelligent having just exchanged this argumeent you–I see why you would like the opportunity to present your “evidence” to impressionable children.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Present your evidence, here, now.
Prove to me your god exists.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM
and where does YOUR morality come from?? of course you’ll say you ‘came up with it yourself’…but of course it will look a great deal like christianity…
of course we’ve seen when atheists impose their ‘morality’ upon others…like the soviet union…red china…etc…
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM
sure, as soon as you admit you were lying.
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Different animals have different eyes, the human eye is not the best of those “designs”..
the_nile on October 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM
So your response to my challenge to prove your god exists is basically “nanner nanner boo boo”
Still waiting to be convinced.
BryanS on October 10, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Oh look. The guy who knows everything still doesn’t know, even after he’s been told, what the truth is.
Arrogant is someone so self-assured that they stick their fingers in their ears and keep claiming someone has faith even after they’ve been told that someone is an agnostic. Pal, the only one of us working on faith is you.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:53 PM
and, so? the squid’s eye is very similar to a human eye…’convergent evolution’ shazzam!!
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:53 PM
If all the brown shirts did was mock people and spread rumors about them, I’m fairly certain that you wouldn’t be referencing them here today.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM
why should I cast pearls before swine? I could care less if you are convinced or not. I’m a big believer in learning the hard way…
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Oh, look. Nancy Pelosi invokes Godwin again.
MadisonConservative on October 10, 2009 at 7:56 PM
if the jack-boots fit…
right4life on October 10, 2009 at 7:56 PM
The Nobel Peace Prize…?
Seven Percent Solution on October 10, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Well, there you go folks! That’s all you need to know from this thread, and every other thread Allahpundit slaps on this site concerning God – the evidence doesn’t matter! Why? Because they hate God. That’s it, that’s all there is to it. I have been debating atheists and agnostics and skeptics for years, and no matter how much evidence you present, even when you can show their obvious lies, they still say, “I dont’ believe in God.” Why? “Because I don’t!”
I would have a lot more respect for these people if they just admitted the truth, they hate God, and stop with all this “we have evidence that proves God doesn’t exist” nonsense.
Obtuse? Hey, brainiac, why don’t you try reading comprehension!
It’s your savior Dawkins who brought up the issue of dogs, not me.
Joe Pyne on October 10, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Why do you insist on lying? I never “went to bat” for him. I stated quite plainly that I don’t participate in the comments at LGF, and haven’t for many years, so I couldn’t state from my own experiences what goes on there, and I wouldn’t take your biased views on the matter as gospel.
Christianity is one of the largest cults in human history, yes. Read a damn dictionary for once, ignoramus.
Seixon on October 10, 2009 at 7:57 PM
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