Video: O’Reilly versus Dawkins on evolution. What could go wrong?
posted at 4:00 pm on October 10, 2009 by Allahpundit
Food-fight material from the eternal debate for a slow-news Saturday afternoon. Every time we have a thread on this subject, a bunch of commenters end up pointing out that creationism and evolution aren’t strictly incompatible. In fact, O’Reilly takes that position himself. But if that’s how you want to play it in the classroom — teaching “evolution plus,” with the theory of design tacked onto the basic Darwinian syllabus — why don’t we get to teach “evolution minus” too showcasing evidence that there is, in fact, no God? Most biology teachers are content to teach the theory and leave the question of ultimate origin in the air, but if believers want to be aggressive about pursuing that, let’s be really aggressive and teach both possibilities. I’m sure Dawkins, Hitchens, and Sam Harris would leap at the chance of putting together a video presentation for America’s many impressionable Christian schoolchildren aimed at showing why God almost certainly doesn’t exist. How about it?
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Dresden was a very appropriate target.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 4:17 AM
You really think so? I would love (not being sarcastic, being very honest) to know your thinking behind it.
The incendiary bombs used in Dresden were horrific and unecessary, don’t you think?
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 4:20 AM
But man was short of God before that too, and was really less than a man.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 4:20 AM
Dresden was intended to break the will of the German people as well as payback for London.
jdkchem on October 11, 2009 at 4:21 AM
man was less than man? wow! there is a place to pin my metaphysics on!
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:21 AM
It’s all horrific. Bur Dresden was important for rail traffic shifting forces between the two fronts.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 4:23 AM
Ask the creationists. It’s been a long time since I’ve read the bible, so I honestly couldn’t tell you. IIRC, it has something to do with the number of “begats” before Noah and something else about Adam’s belly button. It really doesn’t matter, though, because the Bible isn’t a scientific treatise. I’m pretty sure it isn’t intended to be, either.
RightOFLeft on October 11, 2009 at 4:23 AM
The Germans declared war on us, our ancestors/relatives went in and kicked their tails into submission. They were an arrogant lot who ultimately brought their country and many around them to ruin. That much I can accept.
But, many of these atrocities were committed not by Germans but by locals and as pointed out above sometimes by our brave Soviet allies.
As for “countless”, the Marxist historians seem to have little problem with accurate counts. Oh, they fluctuate despite the impeccable records the Germans were known to have kept, somewhere, but they have numbers…from…somewhere. That’s all we need to know as Evil needs no accounting just because Evil is evil.
At least the “dirty japs” got three hots a day at Manzanar and though Lt. Jackie Robinson couldn’t sit in the Cracker section of the bus even when wearing a U.S. Army officer’s uniform all was certainly above board over here.
And, as I pointed out above, you conveniently left out the massacres of ethnic Germans at the hands of the Poles and the invasion of Poland by the Soviets, and the Katyn Forest Massacre of Polish Army officers.
All I’m really saying is that we humans generally suck and do atrocious things to each other, and though some societies (ones with democracies in particular) are less likely to do these things than those under Socialists, history isn’t so conveniently cut and dried.
Dr. ZhivBlago on October 11, 2009 at 4:23 AM
SO people don’t blindly believe in AGW? 5 years of cooling while CO2 has increased is just another nail in that foolish coffin.
jdkchem on October 11, 2009 at 4:24 AM
begat! begaT! BEGAT!@ Nixon begat Reagan! Lincoln Begat Reagan! Goldwater begat Reagan! William F Buckley Begat Reagan!
It isn’t linear yo.
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:26 AM
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:14 AM
Seixon is your alias, but hypocrisy is your name!
on this thread, much ealier you were crying about religious people, Christians to be exact murdering people that do not agree with religious teachings of the time. Thus proving how evil and bad religion is.
Now you cry because it has been proven to you that atheist, for atheist sake rapped, tortured, murdered priests, nuns, Jews, etc?
by the way, you’ll love this, the vast majority if not all of the SS and Hitler’s top men were atheist and homosexuals who had zero problem taking the life of innocent people.
shoot you have no problem disperaging Christian religions because a few zealots committed atrocities, thus I am unsure why you are crying about your blame tactic being used on you.
Using your logic, atheism is horrific, a monstrocity! countless of Atheist have committed horrific acts against other human beings. Your logic friend.
If you don’t like it, withdraw your claim that Christianity is evil because some have murdered and excuse religious people like you excuse atheist, they are men, human beings that will make mistakes.
You seem to hold atheist to a much lower standard than you h old atheist, than you hold yourself.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 4:27 AM
I know this might come as a shock to you, but you can respect someone without agreeing to everything they say or do.
You’re right. One of the top-selling artists of all time was clearly never popular. The pop in “King of Pop” definitely doesn’t stand for popular. It’s all a ruse.
That last 7% of the vote put him over the top into popularity. In fact, the definition of popularity from the dictionary is:
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:28 AM
Actually, Coventry. Dresden & Coventry are even sister cities now.
clancy_wiggum on October 11, 2009 at 4:29 AM
Before eating from the tree, Adam had no concept of right and wrong. Just like bunnies and birdies. But eat that fruit and then he “became like us”. He knew there was good and bad, and was accoutable for doing the right thing. Had to go out and find a real job and everything.
I never saw that as a “fall” as such. Much less Original Sin. Hard to commit a sin when you can’t appreciate what being bad means until you’ve done it. But the RC church might have detailed reasons why. They’re good at that.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 4:30 AM
You seem to hold atheist to a much lower standard than you h old atheist, than you hold yourself.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 4:27 AM
this is what happens for not paying attention…this is suppose to say…
Sexion,
“You seem to hold atheist, who you are, to a much lower standard than you hold Christians”.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 4:31 AM
what is a RC?
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:34 AM
Soviets were on the other side for a large portion of the war.
The book Ordinary Men tells a lot about how Germany did these things. I mean, how they managed things so that men would do them. It’s excellent, and pretty horrible.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 4:34 AM
I hear they were also fans of Star Wars, especially Darth Vader. And they wore pink socks.
Yeah, I remember the cries, “Accept atheism or die!” Good times, good times. Oh, and riding the horses under the flags of atheism. With pink socks. It’s recorded in all the history books. “Atheism or die” was their chant.
I withdraw the claim that Christianity is evil. Wow, sure feels good to withdraw claims I never made, was easier than I thought it would be!
Now about your god murdering African babies with malaria… I was thinking we could stage an intervention and let him know that some people consider such actions to be racist genocide. You want to join? I mean, I’m sure it’s all just a horrible misunderstanding.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:35 AM
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:28 AM
Trying readhing-comprehension before you reply with such stupid post….
you did the part in which i said, “stopped” being popular, right?
Michael Jackson WAS very popular, but by the time of his death, that popularity was gone.
You are clueless, just answer…..
If Hitler was so popular, why couldn’t he get the support of the people to pass his Nazi policies withtout the Reichstag Fire?
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 4:35 AM
Roman Catholic.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 4:36 AM
At least there is some comfort I can take from this online argument. Both atheists (libertarians or objectivists?) and Right Wing god people hate commies.
Probably not as much as me, though.
night.
Tony.
FierceGuppy on October 11, 2009 at 4:36 AM
You mean “an RC”, and it’s some sort of made-up abbreviation for Roman Catholic.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:36 AM
what were you walking about? roman catholic means nothing to my protestant reformist self.
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:37 AM
Thanks sexy!
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:38 AM
It’s pretty standard. Common in the UK, like CoE is.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 4:40 AM
OK so it is code for dead churches! Got it!
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:41 AM
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:26 AM
Are we disagreeing? If you think the bible doesn’t support creationism, more power to you.
RightOFLeft on October 11, 2009 at 4:41 AM
Yeah, I remember the cries, “Accept atheism or die!” Good times, good times. Oh, and riding the horses under the flags of atheism. With pink socks. It’s recorded in all the history books. “Atheism or die” was their chant.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:35 AM
Oh, wait, since it is not in the history books, it must not be true, eh? idiot, truly a moronic statement that you make.
Hmmmm…have you EVER studied Spanish Civil War history? Obviously NOT!
If you had you would know that nuns and priests were murdered by atheists because the atheist wanted them to become atheist and denounce the Catholic Church and its teachings!!!!!
you are as ignorant as they come.
Furthermore, the fact that you are clueless about the FACT that the Nazi party top men and the vast majority of the SS were atheists and homosexuals is further proof of your ignorance.
the saddest part of all is that you believe yourself to be superior and so much better informed than others.
Get a clue, study, open up a book. your ignorance is what keeps you a mindless atheist, yes sad that you believe you ar a self-thinker.
yes, despite the history books not teaching this, atheist raped, tortured and murdered countless of nuns and priests during the Spanish Civil War for atheist sake!
and your hypocrisy knows no bounds. you decry the murder of anyone by a religion, but you poke fun of and mock the murder by atheist for atheisms sake.
You also seem to forget, I am sure you were not taught, the FACT that Nero, you know a Roman Emperor tortured countless of Christians who refused to denounce Christianity and become atheist.
but hey, you are clueless about history.
I am embarrassed for you.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 4:43 AM
Can’t say that I did it, but I did read you say “stop” when you should have written “stopped”. So you mean to say that the nonstop media coverage of his death, the many tributes to him all over the world, the many shows devoted to him, the instant surge in the purchase of his music, all the accolades and outpouring of love for him when he died… That’s what it looks like when someone who is not popular dies?
Man, I can’t wait until I die!
Because he needed 7% more to become popular, since 44% is the golden standard for popularity.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:43 AM
If it has been a long time since you read the bible then yeah we are probably disagreeing!
God created the world. Evolution occurs. Morons disagree. That is where I stand.
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:44 AM
Yeah, well, I don’t pay attention to Catholics. I mean, the Pope says to accept evolution, what an idiot, right? Can be safely ignored, damn liberal atheist crackpot.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:46 AM
He is right? evolution occurs, especially darwinistic evolution!
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:49 AM
Because he needed 7% more to become popular, since 44% is the golden standard for popularity.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:43 AM
Well, your claim, not mine.
to claim that Hitler didn’t use bullying tactics to become Fuhrer is ignorant and historically inaccurate.
if you can lie so easily and speak in half-truths about Nazi German history, why should anyone take your word about religion, atheism, Christiany as an authority of anything except that of a poorly informed, professional liar?
but hey, keep on believing that atheist have massacred countless of people for the sake of atheism. It helps you sleep at night to be ignorant of the facts. You are proof that ignorance is truly bliss.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 4:50 AM
still waiting to hear from seixon how biblical Christianity is incompatible from Darwinist evolution.
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 4:52 AM
Yeah, well, I don’t pay attention to Catholics. I mean, the Pope says to accept evolution, what an idiot, right? Can be safely ignored, damn liberal atheist crackpot.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 4:46 AM
Hmmm…once again, you are speaking in half-truths!
the Pope didn’t say to accept Evolution! I am a Roman Catholic and the Pope said that there is nothing wrong if a Catholic believes in Evolution, as long as he believes it was God who guided Evolution. he never said that Evolution must be accepted.
The only thing you MUST believe as an RC is that God created the universe, how He did, who the hell cares!
Speaking in half-truths is also lying, you know that right? doubt it. I mean you believe that the UNDP is accurate despite teh UN turning a blind eye to its blue helmets AND its civilian workers rapping 12 years old.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 4:53 AM
Strictly speaking, “Darwinist” evolution is obsolete theory. But, I don’t see how is any less compatible than, say, vulcanology.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 4:56 AM
Ok, we only really disagree on the first bit. That’s just unacceptable, so let me manufacture something we can use to maintain our natural antagonism as atheist and believer. If you believe in evolution because it’s more biblically correct than Dinosaurs On A Boat, that’s really no better than young Earth creationism. The bible doesn’t belong in the debate over evolution, pro or con.
RightOFLeft on October 11, 2009 at 4:58 AM
So in the history books where it says that they did this in the name of communism, I should just tear those pages out? And replace it with what you say? That’s cool. Send me the transcript of the real version of the Spanish Civil War.
Both things you hate intensely, surely just a coincidence.
I tend to forget things that no one ever taught me for the mere virtue of never having happened and not being true. Nero tortured Christians alright. But it was because they wouldn’t wear pink socks.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:00 AM
Right. That’s why there isn’t any interesting link between evolution and atheism. It doesn’t really change anything.
Just to be clear, that’s not how the UN works. UNDP is one of several agencies that operate quite seperately from other parts of the UN. They do their own thing, and Secretariat people don’t have too much effect. I’ve never taken them very seriously regarding development though.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 5:05 AM
Silly me, I just subtracted the Nazi vote before Reichstag from the Nazi vote after, and thought that you actually had any reasonable logic behind your claim that he didn’t become popular until attaining that exact number of votes. Clearly this was wrong of me to do.
Who claimed that? You? No wait, you claimed he didn’t have any support. Equally wrong, but still wrong.
I’m not professional yet, I’ve yet to graduate from Atheism Liar College, taught by the great Nazi Richard Dawkins. Next week we’re being taught that the Holocaust never happened, exciting stuff!
Fixed that for you.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:06 AM
You lie! The entire UN are homosexual liberal child rapist atheist liars! Cpt. Kirk told me so, and his god kills African babies with malaria, so you know that shit’s airtight.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:08 AM
Both things you hate intensely, surely just a coincidence.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:00 AM
and this is were you fall flat in your face!!! who said I hate antying or anyone deeply? stop projecting!
your problem is that you blindly believe what the history books tell you. You are incapable of thinking for yourself, you need scientists, historians, etc to tell you the facts and to tell you how to think.
Now, here is a little slap on the face for you….hmmm…My grandfather, fought in the Spanish Civil War, my father is from Spain. But hey, keep on believing those historians that are “unbiased”. right?
and yeah, Nero didn’t massacre countless of Christians…
as ignorant as they come and as easily led as they come.
but hey, keep on believing that I hate anything or anyone.
Please prove, show where I have said that I hate atheist or homosexuals?
facts not your forte, eh? when logic, history and facts are not on your side….shoot just do like Seixan, make them up!
but hey, i’ll tell my grandfather, his friends, my family members, etc who SAW first hand and fought in the Spanish Civil War that they are wrong.
accept it….
atheists have raped, tortured and murdered for the sake of atheism.
i guess you will also deny that Atheist bombed countless of Roman Catholic Churches during the Spanish Civil War.
I guess your 8th grade history book doesn’t go in-depth about the facts. Don’t worry, once you reach college you will hopefully have learned to think on your own.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 5:09 AM
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:06 AM
yes son, you know everything, everyone that disagrees with you hates you and atheism. (sarcams off)
talk about a persecution complex.
Careful Seixon, one of those evil Christians is behind you trying to murder you!
Since you were not taught that the Nazi party leadership was full of homosexuals you can’t bring yourself to believe it. Since you were not taught that the SS was full of homosexual and atheist, you can’t believe it. I mean shoot, history books don’t lie, right? only those evil Christians lie. AGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
run SEixon!!! The truth is too much for you to handle!
Since history books and science book didn’t tell you, it can’t be true!! right Seixon? your bibles didn’t tell you these things, so how dare anyone claim such things. Go, go read Dawkins, your priest, go read your science and history books, your bibles, they have no agenda or bias. They are honest people.
give me your address, i’ll go sell you a bridge and since scientist say they are safe, i have no dbout you’ll buy it.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 5:14 AM
Funny thing is that a very high percentage of them, at least at HQ, are Filipinos. Usually devout Catholics, or converts to Protestant sects when that wasn’t enough for them.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 5:15 AM
Funny thing is that a very high percentage of them, at least at HQ, are Filipinos. Usually devout Catholics, or converts to Protestant sects when that wasn’t enough for them.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 5:15 AM
eh? care to prove that?
As i said, using Mr. Persecution’s logic, Nazis that made the trains run on time should be praised despite the Nazi parties atrocities, right?
leave it to atheist to believe antying the UN says.
next thing you are going to say is that the UN is a force for good in the world and that Chavez and Castro are poor misunderstood leaders that have the best interest of their nation at heart, thus the reason why the UN loves them.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 5:19 AM
Cpt. Kirk, I have seen the light. Thank you for guiding me the only truth man needs.
I accept God the Merciful Killer of African Babies With Malaria as my savior.
May he kill many more African babies with malaria in my name.
Amen.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:21 AM
Why don’t you leave picking the next thing I’ll say up to me? I’m better at it.
Is it Catholics you don’t like, or Filipinos?
exception on October 11, 2009 at 5:24 AM
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:21 AM
Mr. Persecution complex….
No, you don’t want a bridge? I can also sell you the Sears Tower…promise.. Just like Dawkins promised that there is no God.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 5:25 AM
Mr. Persecution complex….
hey, i think you left your Moon Shine behind in NC….no wonder you are so cranky and ignorant.
http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/6172139/
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 5:27 AM
Why don’t you leave picking the next thing I’ll say up to me? I’m better at it.
Is it Catholics you don’t like, or Filipinos?
exception on October 11, 2009 at 5:24 AM
I dislike, liars, dishonest people that make up facts so their points make some type of sense.
next thing you are going to say is that you are not lying.
no proof of your fake “assertion”.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 5:29 AM
I can’t keep track of the Fillipino staffers I’ve known. It wouldn’t be a very interesting lie, now would it? Hang out on 1st Avenue for a while and find out for yourself. It seems you think I want to convince you of something. Why on earth would I want to prove anything about it? I just shared a fact that most people probably wouldn’t guess given the crap that comes from the delegates.
exception on October 11, 2009 at 5:36 AM
Sorry, for the life of me, I really can’t figure out what you’re trying to tell me, and what this has to do at all with what I said.
I accepted your god and you want to sell me a bridge? Are you speaking in code? Is this something my new god will teach me? I’m confused.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:36 AM
What point?
exception on October 11, 2009 at 5:37 AM
William Shirer, one of the most eminent experts on Nazi Germany, wrote this in The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich, according to Conservapedia:
Obviously once in power, Roehm spawned countless homosexuals who then filled the leadership of the Nazi Party. Same thing happened with the Catholic Church; I hear the Pope is afflicted with teh ghey.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:45 AM
Oh, I forgot to add that unlike Wikipedia, Conservapedia is 100% reliable, mostly because they believe in God Who Kills African Babies with Malaria.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:46 AM
Same thing happened with the Catholic Church; I hear the Pope is afflicted with teh ghey.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:45 AM
Your hate for religion, for Christianity, for the Roman Catholic Church will be your undoing.
you assume that I hate you or homosexuals because YOU have a deep hatred for those that you believe to be lesser beings who are stupid enough to believe God.
I will pray for you, your soul and hope that some day you see the Light.
I am truly sorry for whatever happened to you that has made you such a hateful bigot. It is not fair to you that you hold so much hate, contempt and bigotry for Christians.
I pray that you change. you are young and dumb, thus there is still a lot of hope for you.
It is also amazing how you hate history and facts that do not support your warped view of world history.
What makes an individual reach such levels of hate and bigorty as you have shown here, Seixon?
I guess it makes you feel good to attack the Pope and the Church. Did it make you feel a tingle up your leg?
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 5:53 AM
Oh, I forgot to add that unlike Wikipedia, Conservapedia is 100% reliable, mostly because they believe in God Who Kills African Babies with Malaria.
Seixon on October 11, 2009 at 5:46 AM
the sad part is that I didn’t even know that Conservapedia existed. But shoot, you did a lot of googling to feel comfortable with your beliefs.
but hey, Wikipedia is so reliable.
Honestly, why are you so hateful and so full of bigotry? why?
why is that those that claim to be so tolerant and demand tolerance are the least tolerance?
while you believe that everyone around you is an ignorant fool and you attack us and the Roman Catholic Church.
Individuals like me love you and only wish good things happen in your life. I hope and pray that you reach Heaven and that you share with all good humans the reward that awaits all good people in the after life.
Hate and bigotry blind you, Seixon. They truly do.
I pray and hope that you change and see the errors of your way.
Cpt. Kirk on October 11, 2009 at 5:57 AM
As my philosophy professor taught me decades ago, you can’t prove there is no God, because by definition, He’s not measurable and not limited to space and time. One can give a reasonable arguement however that these people are mental midgets in their agressive lifetime activity of fighting a God that they claim doesn’t exist. They either know they’re dead wrong or they’re idiots for wasting such valuable time – which unlike God, they’re limited to a certain amount and then poof -they’ll get a chance to explain their theories to God first hand.
Don L on October 11, 2009 at 6:15 AM
By the way folks, the anti-God mentality we’re watching come out of the closet with both fists flying? It’s not really bias or bigotry -it’s called persecution. They know God exists -they just refuse to serve, like their master. As we know, there is no middle ground, we have it on good word that we’re either with Him or against Him.
Don L on October 11, 2009 at 6:20 AM
Allah,
The biggest problem with your post is assuming science disproves God’s existence. It is this kind of ‘science or God’ crap that gives the atheists license to remove religion from the public square.
You would have a lot more allies if you would just stop the nonsense. The fact is evolution is not theory. DNA is real, how it works is real. What is theory is the connection between animals living today and those living tens of millions of years ago. It is only a theory on how they evolved and where today’s creatures sprouted from.
The mechanism is not theory. Look at domesticated plants and animals, which led to the science of evolution, genetics, etc n the first place. Evolution is measurable and without theory if we only go back 100′s or 1,000′s of years, looking at how evolution has changed the path of life.
You may want to peruse some other views before you go claiming that science is destroying God.
If you knew more about the subject, you would realize that DNA is the instruction for creation of every living thing. It is, in essence, the handwriting of God. Evolution is the result of God allowing his creations free choice, free reign, to learn, survive and evolve.
And into this wonder steps Allah to claim what? A war against the science that describes God’s creations. Who died and made you God?
AJStrata on October 11, 2009 at 7:40 AM
This doesn’t have to be complicated.
If it’s not science, teach it in another class. Divine intervention is not science.
elfman on October 11, 2009 at 7:43 AM
Minus sanctimony, where would Bill or the Bible be?
Oh yeah, in science class.
Speakup on October 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM
Then you have remove evolution…they both have the same amount of scientific facts backing them…that was the point.
You can’t prove either one, so both are of equal standing in science.
Either something created everything, or nothing created everything…take your pick…
right2bright on October 11, 2009 at 9:23 AM
You may be confusing evolution, with adaptation…evolution is a theory, their is no proof of one species morphing into another total different species.
A bird may adapt to swim, but there is no proof a bird became a fish.
right2bright on October 11, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Here, this is for you…
And this….
As a Christian, I hate to see someone like you use such stupid arguments. The second link will provide you with some good fodder, at least it won’t make you sound ignorant like your other posts.
The fist post fits you…
However, do a little more research, if you like, I can give you links to several anti-Christian websites that have just some “super” arguments and statements against Christianity.
Just want you to be well informed, and not look like such a doofus…Christians pride themselves in arguing the best atheists, it is embarrassing to respond to you.
This will help you gain some legitimacy…
right2bright on October 11, 2009 at 9:39 AM
I do beleave in God but science can’t prove or dis-prove he exist. That should be the only discussion of God in science class.
smokinjoe on October 11, 2009 at 9:46 AM
They can’t prove or disprove evolution exists…so the same for that?
right2bright on October 11, 2009 at 9:49 AM
The trouble with this is O,Reilly does not believe a thing he says.He does it for show only.He wants everyone to believe he a conservative so he throws a few crumbs our way ever so often.The man still believes Obama is a moderate and is being pulled left by the left.He will not accepted the real fact that Obama is a full blown socialist.
thmcbb on October 11, 2009 at 9:54 AM
I’ve often blamed God for you. We even had a big fight about you once. But He won. He never does what I tell Him to do! And He always wins our fights!
God can be so unreasonable. And stubborn.
And God says things and does things that have all these complicated consequences. And then He just disappears. Like He doesn’t even exist. Like it’s not His fault. But then, He expects me to take care of all these problems for Him. Like I’m the one who has to be responsible! Good grief!
And God is always asking me all these devilish and subtle questions. And they’re impossible to answer! And then He just sits there. Silent. Smiling at me. Like He’s such a know-it-all. Who does He think He is?!
I swear. He’s even a bigger pain than you are!
Loxodonta on October 11, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Who made Who?
Dr Evil on October 11, 2009 at 9:58 AM
I never heard him mention Obama in this debate with Dawkins…are you posting on the right thread?
right2bright on October 11, 2009 at 10:01 AM
another evolution thread where the darwiniacs look like fools….some things never change…
right4life on October 11, 2009 at 10:07 AM
To believe Dawkins you must believe that before the big bang there want nothing and every thing that is now came from nothing.Most of the learned people of science who do not believe in a creator say before the beginning of the universe there what nothing.But when you ask then how do you have something from nothing which defies the law of Quantum physics you get no good answer .Unless you believe in parallel universes the tooth fairy and the jolly green giant.
thmcbb on October 11, 2009 at 10:08 AM
(right2bright) Sorry just using it to make a point about the true fullness of O,Reilly
thmcbb on October 11, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Schools should teach that Darwin’s theory is just that, a theory. Like Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.
But they should also be taught that, unlike Einstein’s theory, there are reputable scientists (some of them atheist) that question Darwin’s theory. They should also be taught some of the legitimate, intellectual complaints about Darwin’s theory (the Cambrian Period, the mathematical impossibility, the “evolving” predictions of our lineage that changes frequently with new discoveries).
They should not be calling it a “fact” or “proven science” by any means. But, stress that it’s widely accepted and has a good body of supporting evidence.
If science teachers are unable or unwilling to frame the discussion that way, they have no business calling themselves “science” teachers.
ynot4tony2 on October 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM
I get it, and agree, except I do believe he is a Catholic and believes in Creationism.
You can be wrong on one issue, and still have integrity on another…and this one he has been consistent on.
I hate to look into a “man’s heart” and divine that he is not a believer.
right2bright on October 11, 2009 at 10:15 AM
You are crossing the line…I know that is true, I still have the quarter from my first tooth…
right2bright on October 11, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Allah, I would be very enthusiastic about teaching schoolchildren the reasons for and against belief in God. I’m confident that theism will win. Atheism doesn’t have a leg to stand on, and Dawkins et al. know it, otherwise they wouldn’t be trying to marginalize their opponents with rhetoric instead of reason.
JS on October 11, 2009 at 10:23 AM
They are counting on the theory of evolution to create this leg….
right2bright on October 11, 2009 at 10:28 AM
We Christians believe that the way to ever lasting life is thru Christ. How ever i also believe that they are people in this world who have never heard of Christ the bible, Koran or anything like it.In this case i believe that all mighty God will judge them very different than us Christens so they may very well be people in heaven that were non Christians.After all God sets the rules not us he judges not us.
thmcbb on October 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Unfortunately, little has been said in the posts concerning the issue O’Reilly was debating with Dawkins, i.e., what should be taught in the public schools concerning how we and other present life forms came to be as we are. Hence, my comments posted ca. 11:30 P.M. concerning what should be taught in the schools vs. what we might believe to be correct were virtually ignored.
One can believe that a higher power has directed the evolution of life forms and still maintain that it is the job of religious establishments, not the schools, to teach this as fact. On the other hand, it is the job of the schools to teach scientific reasoning, which has served us well since becoming established in the 17th century. However, science is not the answer to all of our concerns, especially moral questions and those pertaining to why we are here and the ultimate meaning of life, and schools should stress this.
Science does help us to interpret our everyday existence with theories concerning how things work; the theory of evolution appears to best fit evidence from fossil records and what we observe is happening now. However, based on accumulating evidence, the original Darwinian explanations have been considerably modified in mainstream evolutionary theory epitomized by Stephen Gould, and it is possible that the theory of evolution will be replaced by a completely different theory in the future, based on its inability to explain new pieces of evidence.
ptolemy on October 11, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Nth.
Loxodonta on October 11, 2009 at 11:01 AM
You could while away the hours, conferrin’ with the flowers consultin’ with the rain.
And your head you’d be scratchin’ while your thoughts were busy hatchin’ if you only had a brain.
You’d unravel every riddle for any individ’le, in trouble or in pain.
With the thoughts you’ll be thinkin’ you could be another Lincoln if you only had a brain.
Loxodonta on October 11, 2009 at 11:09 AM
I think those identical thoughts everytime she posts. :-)
thomasaur on October 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Yeh, it’s sad, believe me, Missy, when you’re born to be a sissy without the vim and verve.
But you could show your prowess, be a lion not a mou-ess
if you only had the nerve.
Loxodonta on October 11, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Sounds like Obama?
Itchee Dryback on October 11, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Seems pretty clear “Seixon” is a sockpuppet troll from LGF who does not discuss anything in good faith. It’s only purpose is to try and elicit a response it can then use as proof elsewhere HA is a bunch of mean racist types. Why anyone would engage it in conversation is surprising.
ray on October 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Has it evolved into a dollar yet? : )
Itchee Dryback on October 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM
This entire issue would be moot if we had school choice. It is only because we have an authoritarian leftist public educational prison system that theism vs. atheism is an issue. It is the atheists who are against school choice, so apparently they have an agenda they are trying to force on everyone else. The theists are on the defensive in this issue.
ray on October 11, 2009 at 11:34 AM
If you keep claiming our love is fake,
And belief in God is a big mistake,
We’re going to burn you at the stake,
To make you feel our love.
— the unrecorded Bob Dylan
Loxodonta on October 11, 2009 at 11:35 AM
God doesn’t kill African babies with malaria — liberal environmentalists demanding a ban on DDT do!
But back on topic:
The thing that really annoys me most about people like Richard Dawkins is that they come out with this theory that all of us learned in junior high school (the theory of natural selection) and they present it to those of us who have studied philosophy and science and know the counter-arguments and counter-counter arguments, with the smug tone of a Prometheus delivering knowledge to the ignorant. In other words, Dawkins is peddling the simple version of the theory that every child knows, and he honestly thinks the reason we disagree with him is because we’ve never been to junior high school.
This is sort of a recurring theme with Europeans, isn’t it? They seem to think we’re backward because we haven’t discovered modern innovations like socialized medicine. There’s no consideration of the possibility that we considered their ideas and rejected them.
joe_doufu on October 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Wrong. God does not need a teleprompter. And He’s never won a Nobel Peace Prize.
However, regarding the matter of His birth certificate…
Loxodonta on October 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM
School choice is a good idea, but standardized test in biology would require that students understand how evolution works. Colleges wouldn’t be looking for science students who use faith as part of the answer on the test.
dedalus on October 11, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Dawkins is right, O’Reilly is wrong. All Dawkins had to do to shut him up is say,”Well, explain to me what Christianity has proven.” NOTHING.
RWLA on October 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM
The “Theory of Evolution” is saturated with faith, just not faith in God.
thomasaur on October 11, 2009 at 11:50 AM
the fossil record shows creation, not evolution…thus ‘punctuated equilibrium’ evolution happens REAL FAST…right.
and it doesn’t fit what we observe now…we observe ‘micro evolution’ not macro…and to extrapolate it to macro is faith.
but darwinism will never be overturned…because all data is interpreted in light of evolution…and the data is made to fit the theory….this is an example of ‘evolutionary thinking’
no matter what the data says evolution is the answer!! praise darwin!!
right4life on October 11, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Perhaps, though it is what science departments at private universities are requiring their students to know, and a theory adhered to by researchers in private businesses who hire the graduates.
Someone can’t get a job for a pharmaceutical company and resort to supernatural explanations for gaps in the knowledge of how a drug affects the body.
dedalus on October 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM
and you think evolution supplies those answers? please, its totally useless in science, as coyne admits:
right4life on October 11, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Itchee Dryback on October 11, 2009 at 12:11 PM
I have never injected biblical Christianity into the evolution debate. I have simply made the statement that the theory of evolution is not incompatible with biblical Christianity.
How, specifically has the theory of evolution deviated or changed from Darwinian evolution™? And how is that theory incompatible with the God of the Bible?
daesleeper on October 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM
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